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Committers vs. PPMC members
Hi all,
I checked this URL, which is accessible to Apache committers only, and I
noticed that the people we thought we had voted on as PPMC members are
listed as committers.
https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
...which is not a problem during incubation, but can be a problem at the
end of incubation when the list of PPMC members is taken as the basis of
the new PMC, at which point 'mere' committers would be left out.
Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of the PPMC?
Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between the roles.
If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
Thanks,
Gj
Re: Committers vs. PPMC members
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 6:22 PM Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> ...I
> noticed that the people we thought we had voted on as PPMC members are
> listed as committers....
In the future, it's best to explicitly mention "electing someone as
PPMC member and committer" when electing people on the NetBeans
private list, to avoid any ambiguities.
-Bertrand
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Re: Committers vs. PPMC members
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch>.
All you have to do is find the vote (vote result) threads on private@ and show that the vote was for the PPMC too.
With those URLs contact a mentor (or the secretary?) to correct the whimsy entry. That's it.
You don't need a vote to do this, you are just pointing you a clerical error.
--emi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On 13 June 2018 8:07 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Yes, my understanding is that our votes are to get people in as PPMC member
>
> and committer simulraneously. All I am asking is that we affirm that, i.e.,
>
> that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one vote
>
> covers both...
>
> Gj
>
> On Wednesday, June 13, 2018, Emilian Bold emilian.bold@protonmail.ch
>
> wrote:
>
> > > Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of the PPMC?
> > >
> > > Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between the roles.
> > >
> > > If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
> >
> > -1 (binding)
> >
> > Not sure what the purpose of this is.
> >
> > We should have a vote result where people were voted into the PPMC. If
> >
> > they are not listed on whimsy but they were voted in, it's just a matter of
> >
> > fixing the records there via our mentors or the secretary.
> >
> > Note that Antonio, which was voted in, is listed as part of the PPMC.
> >
> > --emi
> >
> > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> >
> > On 13 June 2018 7:22 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> >
> > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I checked this URL, which is accessible to Apache committers only, and I
> > >
> > > noticed that the people we thought we had voted on as PPMC members are
> > >
> > > listed as committers.
> > >
> > > https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
> > >
> > > ...which is not a problem during incubation, but can be a problem at the
> > >
> > > end of incubation when the list of PPMC members is taken as the basis of
> > >
> > > the new PMC, at which point 'mere' committers would be left out.
> > >
> > > Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of the PPMC?
> > >
> > > Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between the roles.
> > >
> > > If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Gj
> >
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Re: Committers vs. PPMC members
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
Great, many thanks Junichi and Antonio.
Gj
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 7:44 AM, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Junichi Yamamoto has updated the who is who page to reflect these
> committer + PPMC member roles. This is correct, isn't it?
>
> http://netbeans.apache.org/community/who.html
>
> Please file a PR with modifications or changes to personal info if
> required.
>
> Thanks,
> Antonio
>
>
>
> On 13/06/18 19:12, Emilian Bold wrote:
>
>> [...] All I am asking is that we affirm that, i.e.,
>>> that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one vote
>>> covers both...
>>>
>>
>> Even if we change this it would not apply to previous votes.
>>
>> Also, we have existing email templates the work, why change anything?
>>
>> To me it seems we just have to fix a small error in whimsy records,
>> nothing else.
>>
>> --emi
>>
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>
>> On 13 June 2018 8:07 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.
>> com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, my understanding is that our votes are to get people in as PPMC
>>> member
>>>
>>> and committer simulraneously. All I am asking is that we affirm that,
>>> i.e.,
>>>
>>> that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one vote
>>>
>>> covers both...
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 13, 2018, Emilian Bold emilian.bold@protonmail.ch
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of the PPMC?
>>>>>
>>>>> Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between the
>>>>> roles.
>>>>>
>>>>> If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -1 (binding)
>>>>
>>>> Not sure what the purpose of this is.
>>>>
>>>> We should have a vote result where people were voted into the PPMC. If
>>>>
>>>> they are not listed on whimsy but they were voted in, it's just a
>>>> matter of
>>>>
>>>> fixing the records there via our mentors or the secretary.
>>>>
>>>> Note that Antonio, which was voted in, is listed as part of the PPMC.
>>>>
>>>> --emi
>>>>
>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>
>>>> On 13 June 2018 7:22 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>>>
>>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I checked this URL, which is accessible to Apache committers only, and
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>> noticed that the people we thought we had voted on as PPMC members are
>>>>>
>>>>> listed as committers.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
>>>>>
>>>>> ...which is not a problem during incubation, but can be a problem at
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>> end of incubation when the list of PPMC members is taken as the basis
>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>> the new PMC, at which point 'mere' committers would be left out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of the
>>>>> PPMC?
>>>>>
>>>>> Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between the
>>>>> roles.
>>>>>
>>>>> If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Gj
>>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Committers vs. PPMC members
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
Possible, but from recent interactions with Bertrand our mentor, an action
item I have is to make http://incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html
as empty as possible and cross reference from there to other sites as much
as possible, since according to him we should consider
https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans as the most official list of
data on Apache NetBeans, because it is generated and because Whimsy is the
new way to go.
But I could be wrong.
Gj
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 7:54 AM, Emilian Bold <
emilian.bold@protonmail.ch.invalid> wrote:
> I don't believe out site is based on whimsy as our page has extra info
> like personal website, twitter handle, etc.
>
>
> --emi
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>
> On 19 June 2018 8:51 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>
> wrote:
>
> > The official list of committers+PPMC members is here:
> >
> > https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
> >
> > That is only accessible with an Apache id.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 7:49 AM, Emilian Bold <
> >
> > emilian.bold@protonmail.ch.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > What's this page based on? The Confluence wiki?
> > >
> > > I don't see myself there but perhaps because I'm not on the wiki?
> > >
> > > --emi
> > >
> > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > >
> > > On 19 June 2018 8:44 AM, Antonio antonio@vieiro.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Junichi Yamamoto has updated the who is who page to reflect these
> > > >
> > > > committer + PPMC member roles. This is correct, isn't it?
> > > >
> > > > http://netbeans.apache.org/community/who.html
> > > >
> > > > Please file a PR with modifications or changes to personal info if
> > > >
> > > > required.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Antonio
> > > >
> > > > On 13/06/18 19:12, Emilian Bold wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > [...] All I am asking is that we affirm that, i.e.,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that
> one
> > > > > >
> > > > > > vote
> > > >
> > > > > > covers both...
> > > > >
> > > > > Even if we change this it would not apply to previous votes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, we have existing email templates the work, why change
> anything?
> > > > >
> > > > > To me it seems we just have to fix a small error in whimsy records,
> > > > >
> > > > > nothing else.
> > > >
> > > > > --emi
> > > > >
> > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > > >
> > > > > On 13 June 2018 8:07 PM, Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > >
> > > > > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Yes, my understanding is that our votes are to get people in as
> PPMC
> > > > > >
> > > > > > member
> > > >
> > > > > > and committer simulraneously. All I am asking is that we affirm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > that, i.e.,
> > > >
> > > > > > that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that
> one
> > > > > >
> > > > > > vote
> > > >
> > > > > > covers both...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gj
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2018, Emilian Bold
> emilian.bold@protonmail.ch
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part
> of
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the PPMC?
> > > >
> > > > > > > > Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference
> between
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the roles.
> > > >
> > > > > > > > If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way
> it is.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -1 (binding)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Not sure what the purpose of this is.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We should have a vote result where people were voted into the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PPMC. If
> > > >
> > > > > > > they are not listed on whimsy but they were voted in, it's
> just a
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > matter of
> > > >
> > > > > > > fixing the records there via our mentors or the secretary.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Note that Antonio, which was voted in, is listed as part of the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PPMC.
> > > >
> > > > > > > --emi
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 13 June 2018 7:22 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I checked this URL, which is accessible to Apache committers
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > only, and I
> > > >
> > > > > > > > noticed that the people we thought we had voted on as PPMC
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > members are
> > > >
> > > > > > > > listed as committers.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ...which is not a problem during incubation, but can be a
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > problem at the
> > > >
> > > > > > > > end of incubation when the list of PPMC members is taken as
> the
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > basis of
> > > >
> > > > > > > > the new PMC, at which point 'mere' committers would be left
> out.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part
> of
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the PPMC?
> > > >
> > > > > > > > Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference
> between
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the roles.
> > > >
> > > > > > > > If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way
> it is.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > >
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Re: Committers vs. PPMC members
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch.INVALID>.
I don't believe out site is based on whimsy as our page has extra info like personal website, twitter handle, etc.
--emi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On 19 June 2018 8:51 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID> wrote:
> The official list of committers+PPMC members is here:
>
> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
>
> That is only accessible with an Apache id.
>
> Gj
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 7:49 AM, Emilian Bold <
>
> emilian.bold@protonmail.ch.invalid> wrote:
>
> > What's this page based on? The Confluence wiki?
> >
> > I don't see myself there but perhaps because I'm not on the wiki?
> >
> > --emi
> >
> > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> >
> > On 19 June 2018 8:44 AM, Antonio antonio@vieiro.net wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Junichi Yamamoto has updated the who is who page to reflect these
> > >
> > > committer + PPMC member roles. This is correct, isn't it?
> > >
> > > http://netbeans.apache.org/community/who.html
> > >
> > > Please file a PR with modifications or changes to personal info if
> > >
> > > required.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Antonio
> > >
> > > On 13/06/18 19:12, Emilian Bold wrote:
> > >
> > > > > [...] All I am asking is that we affirm that, i.e.,
> > > > >
> > > > > that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one
> > > > >
> > > > > vote
> > >
> > > > > covers both...
> > > >
> > > > Even if we change this it would not apply to previous votes.
> > > >
> > > > Also, we have existing email templates the work, why change anything?
> > > >
> > > > To me it seems we just have to fix a small error in whimsy records,
> > > >
> > > > nothing else.
> > >
> > > > --emi
> > > >
> > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > >
> > > > On 13 June 2018 8:07 PM, Geertjan Wielenga
> > > >
> > > > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Yes, my understanding is that our votes are to get people in as PPMC
> > > > >
> > > > > member
> > >
> > > > > and committer simulraneously. All I am asking is that we affirm
> > > > >
> > > > > that, i.e.,
> > >
> > > > > that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one
> > > > >
> > > > > vote
> > >
> > > > > covers both...
> > > > >
> > > > > Gj
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2018, Emilian Bold emilian.bold@protonmail.ch
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the PPMC?
> > >
> > > > > > > Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the roles.
> > >
> > > > > > > If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -1 (binding)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not sure what the purpose of this is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We should have a vote result where people were voted into the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PPMC. If
> > >
> > > > > > they are not listed on whimsy but they were voted in, it's just a
> > > > > >
> > > > > > matter of
> > >
> > > > > > fixing the records there via our mentors or the secretary.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Note that Antonio, which was voted in, is listed as part of the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PPMC.
> > >
> > > > > > --emi
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 13 June 2018 7:22 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > > > > >
> > > > > > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I checked this URL, which is accessible to Apache committers
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > only, and I
> > >
> > > > > > > noticed that the people we thought we had voted on as PPMC
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > members are
> > >
> > > > > > > listed as committers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...which is not a problem during incubation, but can be a
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > problem at the
> > >
> > > > > > > end of incubation when the list of PPMC members is taken as the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > basis of
> > >
> > > > > > > the new PMC, at which point 'mere' committers would be left out.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the PPMC?
> > >
> > > > > > > Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the roles.
> > >
> > > > > > > If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > >
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Re: Committers vs. PPMC members
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
The official list of committers+PPMC members is here:
https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
That is only accessible with an Apache id.
Gj
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 7:49 AM, Emilian Bold <
emilian.bold@protonmail.ch.invalid> wrote:
> What's this page based on? The Confluence wiki?
>
> I don't see myself there but perhaps because I'm not on the wiki?
>
> --emi
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>
> On 19 June 2018 8:44 AM, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Junichi Yamamoto has updated the who is who page to reflect these
> >
> > committer + PPMC member roles. This is correct, isn't it?
> >
> > http://netbeans.apache.org/community/who.html
> >
> > Please file a PR with modifications or changes to personal info if
> required.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Antonio
> >
> > On 13/06/18 19:12, Emilian Bold wrote:
> >
> > > > [...] All I am asking is that we affirm that, i.e.,
> > > >
> > > > that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one
> vote
> > > >
> > > > covers both...
> > >
> > > Even if we change this it would not apply to previous votes.
> > >
> > > Also, we have existing email templates the work, why change anything?
> > >
> > > To me it seems we just have to fix a small error in whimsy records,
> nothing else.
> > >
> > > --emi
> > >
> > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > >
> > > On 13 June 2018 8:07 PM, Geertjan Wielenga
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yes, my understanding is that our votes are to get people in as PPMC
> member
> > > >
> > > > and committer simulraneously. All I am asking is that we affirm
> that, i.e.,
> > > >
> > > > that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one
> vote
> > > >
> > > > covers both...
> > > >
> > > > Gj
> > > >
> > > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2018, Emilian Bold emilian.bold@protonmail.ch
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of
> the PPMC?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between
> the roles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
> > > > >
> > > > > -1 (binding)
> > > > >
> > > > > Not sure what the purpose of this is.
> > > > >
> > > > > We should have a vote result where people were voted into the
> PPMC. If
> > > > >
> > > > > they are not listed on whimsy but they were voted in, it's just a
> matter of
> > > > >
> > > > > fixing the records there via our mentors or the secretary.
> > > > >
> > > > > Note that Antonio, which was voted in, is listed as part of the
> PPMC.
> > > > >
> > > > > --emi
> > > > >
> > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > > >
> > > > > On 13 June 2018 7:22 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > > > >
> > > > > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I checked this URL, which is accessible to Apache committers
> only, and I
> > > > > >
> > > > > > noticed that the people we thought we had voted on as PPMC
> members are
> > > > > >
> > > > > > listed as committers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...which is not a problem during incubation, but can be a
> problem at the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > end of incubation when the list of PPMC members is taken as the
> basis of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the new PMC, at which point 'mere' committers would be left out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of
> the PPMC?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between
> the roles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gj
> > > > >
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Re: Committers vs. PPMC members
Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
No, it doesn't (IMHO).
Maybe we want to delete some Confluence pages, after updating old links.
I'll find out if Confluence has a "what links here" feature that makes
updating links easier.
Cheers,
Antonio
On 20/06/18 22:06, Emilian Bold wrote:
> So does the Confluence page make sense anymore?
>
> --emi
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>
> On 20 June 2018 10:02 PM, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
>
>> Correct: the info in the page is coming from the Confluence page.
>>
>> Please file PR enhancing/removing info as required.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Antonio
>>
>> On 19/06/18 08:18, Junichi Yamamoto wrote:
>>
>>>> What's this page based on? The Confluence wiki?
>>>
>>> I just fixed the existing page but probably yes [1].
>>>
>>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Who's+Who
>>>
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Re: Committers vs. PPMC members
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch.INVALID>.
So does the Confluence page make sense anymore?
--emi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On 20 June 2018 10:02 PM, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> Correct: the info in the page is coming from the Confluence page.
>
> Please file PR enhancing/removing info as required.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Antonio
>
> On 19/06/18 08:18, Junichi Yamamoto wrote:
>
> > > What's this page based on? The Confluence wiki?
> >
> > I just fixed the existing page but probably yes [1].
> >
> > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Who's+Who
> >
> > Junichi
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Re: Committers vs. PPMC members
Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
Correct: the info in the page is coming from the Confluence page.
Please file PR enhancing/removing info as required.
Cheers,
Antonio
On 19/06/18 08:18, Junichi Yamamoto wrote:
>> What's this page based on? The Confluence wiki?
>
> I just fixed the existing page but probably yes [1].
>
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Who%27s+Who
>
> Junichi
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Re: Committers vs. PPMC members
Posted by Junichi Yamamoto <ju...@gmail.com>.
> What's this page based on? The Confluence wiki?
I just fixed the existing page but probably yes [1].
[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Who%27s+Who
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Re: Committers vs. PPMC members
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch.INVALID>.
What's this page based on? The Confluence wiki?
I don't see myself there but perhaps because I'm not on the wiki?
--emi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On 19 June 2018 8:44 AM, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Junichi Yamamoto has updated the who is who page to reflect these
>
> committer + PPMC member roles. This is correct, isn't it?
>
> http://netbeans.apache.org/community/who.html
>
> Please file a PR with modifications or changes to personal info if required.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Antonio
>
> On 13/06/18 19:12, Emilian Bold wrote:
>
> > > [...] All I am asking is that we affirm that, i.e.,
> > >
> > > that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one vote
> > >
> > > covers both...
> >
> > Even if we change this it would not apply to previous votes.
> >
> > Also, we have existing email templates the work, why change anything?
> >
> > To me it seems we just have to fix a small error in whimsy records, nothing else.
> >
> > --emi
> >
> > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> >
> > On 13 June 2018 8:07 PM, Geertjan Wielenga geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, my understanding is that our votes are to get people in as PPMC member
> > >
> > > and committer simulraneously. All I am asking is that we affirm that, i.e.,
> > >
> > > that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one vote
> > >
> > > covers both...
> > >
> > > Gj
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2018, Emilian Bold emilian.bold@protonmail.ch
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of the PPMC?
> > > > >
> > > > > Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between the roles.
> > > > >
> > > > > If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
> > > >
> > > > -1 (binding)
> > > >
> > > > Not sure what the purpose of this is.
> > > >
> > > > We should have a vote result where people were voted into the PPMC. If
> > > >
> > > > they are not listed on whimsy but they were voted in, it's just a matter of
> > > >
> > > > fixing the records there via our mentors or the secretary.
> > > >
> > > > Note that Antonio, which was voted in, is listed as part of the PPMC.
> > > >
> > > > --emi
> > > >
> > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > >
> > > > On 13 June 2018 7:22 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > > >
> > > > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I checked this URL, which is accessible to Apache committers only, and I
> > > > >
> > > > > noticed that the people we thought we had voted on as PPMC members are
> > > > >
> > > > > listed as committers.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
> > > > >
> > > > > ...which is not a problem during incubation, but can be a problem at the
> > > > >
> > > > > end of incubation when the list of PPMC members is taken as the basis of
> > > > >
> > > > > the new PMC, at which point 'mere' committers would be left out.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of the PPMC?
> > > > >
> > > > > Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between the roles.
> > > > >
> > > > > If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Gj
> > > >
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Re: Committers vs. PPMC members
Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
Hi all,
Junichi Yamamoto has updated the who is who page to reflect these
committer + PPMC member roles. This is correct, isn't it?
http://netbeans.apache.org/community/who.html
Please file a PR with modifications or changes to personal info if required.
Thanks,
Antonio
On 13/06/18 19:12, Emilian Bold wrote:
>> [...] All I am asking is that we affirm that, i.e.,
>> that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one vote
>> covers both...
>
> Even if we change this it would not apply to previous votes.
>
> Also, we have existing email templates the work, why change anything?
>
> To me it seems we just have to fix a small error in whimsy records, nothing else.
>
> --emi
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>
> On 13 June 2018 8:07 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, my understanding is that our votes are to get people in as PPMC member
>>
>> and committer simulraneously. All I am asking is that we affirm that, i.e.,
>>
>> that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one vote
>>
>> covers both...
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 13, 2018, Emilian Bold emilian.bold@protonmail.ch
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of the PPMC?
>>>>
>>>> Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between the roles.
>>>>
>>>> If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
>>>
>>> -1 (binding)
>>>
>>> Not sure what the purpose of this is.
>>>
>>> We should have a vote result where people were voted into the PPMC. If
>>>
>>> they are not listed on whimsy but they were voted in, it's just a matter of
>>>
>>> fixing the records there via our mentors or the secretary.
>>>
>>> Note that Antonio, which was voted in, is listed as part of the PPMC.
>>>
>>> --emi
>>>
>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>
>>> On 13 June 2018 7:22 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>>
>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I checked this URL, which is accessible to Apache committers only, and I
>>>>
>>>> noticed that the people we thought we had voted on as PPMC members are
>>>>
>>>> listed as committers.
>>>>
>>>> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
>>>>
>>>> ...which is not a problem during incubation, but can be a problem at the
>>>>
>>>> end of incubation when the list of PPMC members is taken as the basis of
>>>>
>>>> the new PMC, at which point 'mere' committers would be left out.
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of the PPMC?
>>>>
>>>> Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between the roles.
>>>>
>>>> If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Gj
>>>
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Re: Committers vs. PPMC members
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch.INVALID>.
Thank you!
--emi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On 13 June 2018 8:32 PM, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> All done!
>
> On 06/13/2018 12:22 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>
> > Great, if it can be fixed like this, great.
> >
> > Does it mean that when we vote for PPMC members we are voting for
> >
> > committers at the same time, i.e., that they are the same for us? That’s
> >
> > all I’m asking, to have this affirmed either way.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Wednesday, June 13, 2018, Emilian Bold emilian.bold@protonmail.ch
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Please correct:
> > >
> > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e1716b1cb49442f7e1176aee6c82ee
> > >
> > > 1b9ab74536af46dde3fe40f185@%3Cprivate.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > >
> > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/49e226c3bf2716fe1df02975eec627
> > >
> > > 8bc85bde69b329bcfe2e9b19b6@%3Cprivate.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > >
> > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1182d98092a1e22b463de6546ff724
> > >
> > > 2cd084c5fc83a123aa27d1e46e@%3Cprivate.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > >
> > > --emi
> > >
> > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > >
> > > On 13 June 2018 8:14 PM, Daniel Gruno humbedooh@apache.org wrote:
> > >
> > > > If they were correctly voted in as PPMC, I can fix it.
> > > >
> > > > I just need some evidence, and I'm too lazy to look myself :p
> > > >
> > > > On 06/13/2018 12:12 PM, Emilian Bold wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > [...] All I am asking is that we affirm that, i.e.,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one
> > > > > >
> > > > > > vote
> > > >
> > > > > > covers both...
> > > > >
> > > > > Even if we change this it would not apply to previous votes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, we have existing email templates the work, why change anything?
> > > > >
> > > > > To me it seems we just have to fix a small error in whimsy records,
> > > > >
> > > > > nothing else.
> > > >
> > > > > --emi
> > > > >
> > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > > >
> > > > > On 13 June 2018 8:07 PM, Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > >
> > > > > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Yes, my understanding is that our votes are to get people in as PPMC
> > > > > >
> > > > > > member
> > > >
> > > > > > and committer simulraneously. All I am asking is that we affirm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > that, i.e.,
> > > >
> > > > > > that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one
> > > > > >
> > > > > > vote
> > > >
> > > > > > covers both...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gj
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2018, Emilian Bold emilian.bold@protonmail.ch
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the PPMC?
> > > >
> > > > > > > > Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the roles.
> > > >
> > > > > > > > If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -1 (binding)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Not sure what the purpose of this is.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We should have a vote result where people were voted into the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PPMC. If
> > > >
> > > > > > > they are not listed on whimsy but they were voted in, it's just a
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > matter of
> > > >
> > > > > > > fixing the records there via our mentors or the secretary.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Note that Antonio, which was voted in, is listed as part of the
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PPMC.
> > > >
> > > > > > > --emi
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 13 June 2018 7:22 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I checked this URL, which is accessible to Apache committers
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > only, and I
> > > >
> > > > > > > > noticed that the people we thought we had voted on as PPMC
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > members are
> > > >
> > > > > > > > listed as committers.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ...which is not a problem during incubation, but can be a
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > problem at the
> > > >
> > > > > > > > end of incubation when the list of PPMC members is taken as the
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > basis of
> > > >
> > > > > > > > the new PMC, at which point 'mere' committers would be left out.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the PPMC?
> > > >
> > > > > > > > Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the roles.
> > > >
> > > > > > > > If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > >
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Re: Committers vs. PPMC members
Posted by Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>.
All done!
On 06/13/2018 12:22 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> Great, if it can be fixed like this, great.
>
> Does it mean that when we vote for PPMC members we are voting for
> committers at the same time, i.e., that they are the same for us? That’s
> all I’m asking, to have this affirmed either way.
>
> Gj
>
> On Wednesday, June 13, 2018, Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch>
> wrote:
>
>> Please correct:
>>
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e1716b1cb49442f7e1176aee6c82ee
>> 1b9ab74536af46dde3fe40f185@%3Cprivate.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>>
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/49e226c3bf2716fe1df02975eec627
>> 8bc85bde69b329bcfe2e9b19b6@%3Cprivate.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>>
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1182d98092a1e22b463de6546ff724
>> 2cd084c5fc83a123aa27d1e46e@%3Cprivate.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>>
>> --emi
>>
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>
>> On 13 June 2018 8:14 PM, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> If they were correctly voted in as PPMC, I can fix it.
>>>
>>> I just need some evidence, and I'm too lazy to look myself :p
>>>
>>> On 06/13/2018 12:12 PM, Emilian Bold wrote:
>>>
>>>>> [...] All I am asking is that we affirm that, i.e.,
>>>>>
>>>>> that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one
>> vote
>>>>>
>>>>> covers both...
>>>>
>>>> Even if we change this it would not apply to previous votes.
>>>>
>>>> Also, we have existing email templates the work, why change anything?
>>>>
>>>> To me it seems we just have to fix a small error in whimsy records,
>> nothing else.
>>>>
>>>> --emi
>>>>
>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>
>>>> On 13 June 2018 8:07 PM, Geertjan Wielenga
>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, my understanding is that our votes are to get people in as PPMC
>> member
>>>>>
>>>>> and committer simulraneously. All I am asking is that we affirm
>> that, i.e.,
>>>>>
>>>>> that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one
>> vote
>>>>>
>>>>> covers both...
>>>>>
>>>>> Gj
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, June 13, 2018, Emilian Bold emilian.bold@protonmail.ch
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of
>> the PPMC?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between
>> the roles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -1 (binding)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not sure what the purpose of this is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We should have a vote result where people were voted into the
>> PPMC. If
>>>>>>
>>>>>> they are not listed on whimsy but they were voted in, it's just a
>> matter of
>>>>>>
>>>>>> fixing the records there via our mentors or the secretary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note that Antonio, which was voted in, is listed as part of the
>> PPMC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --emi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13 June 2018 7:22 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>>>>>
>>>>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I checked this URL, which is accessible to Apache committers
>> only, and I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> noticed that the people we thought we had voted on as PPMC
>> members are
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> listed as committers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...which is not a problem during incubation, but can be a
>> problem at the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> end of incubation when the list of PPMC members is taken as the
>> basis of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the new PMC, at which point 'mere' committers would be left out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of
>> the PPMC?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between
>> the roles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>
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Re: Committers vs. PPMC members
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
Great, if it can be fixed like this, great.
Does it mean that when we vote for PPMC members we are voting for
committers at the same time, i.e., that they are the same for us? That’s
all I’m asking, to have this affirmed either way.
Gj
On Wednesday, June 13, 2018, Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch>
wrote:
> Please correct:
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e1716b1cb49442f7e1176aee6c82ee
> 1b9ab74536af46dde3fe40f185@%3Cprivate.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/49e226c3bf2716fe1df02975eec627
> 8bc85bde69b329bcfe2e9b19b6@%3Cprivate.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1182d98092a1e22b463de6546ff724
> 2cd084c5fc83a123aa27d1e46e@%3Cprivate.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>
> --emi
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>
> On 13 June 2018 8:14 PM, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > If they were correctly voted in as PPMC, I can fix it.
> >
> > I just need some evidence, and I'm too lazy to look myself :p
> >
> > On 06/13/2018 12:12 PM, Emilian Bold wrote:
> >
> > > > [...] All I am asking is that we affirm that, i.e.,
> > > >
> > > > that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one
> vote
> > > >
> > > > covers both...
> > >
> > > Even if we change this it would not apply to previous votes.
> > >
> > > Also, we have existing email templates the work, why change anything?
> > >
> > > To me it seems we just have to fix a small error in whimsy records,
> nothing else.
> > >
> > > --emi
> > >
> > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > >
> > > On 13 June 2018 8:07 PM, Geertjan Wielenga
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yes, my understanding is that our votes are to get people in as PPMC
> member
> > > >
> > > > and committer simulraneously. All I am asking is that we affirm
> that, i.e.,
> > > >
> > > > that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one
> vote
> > > >
> > > > covers both...
> > > >
> > > > Gj
> > > >
> > > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2018, Emilian Bold emilian.bold@protonmail.ch
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of
> the PPMC?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between
> the roles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
> > > > >
> > > > > -1 (binding)
> > > > >
> > > > > Not sure what the purpose of this is.
> > > > >
> > > > > We should have a vote result where people were voted into the
> PPMC. If
> > > > >
> > > > > they are not listed on whimsy but they were voted in, it's just a
> matter of
> > > > >
> > > > > fixing the records there via our mentors or the secretary.
> > > > >
> > > > > Note that Antonio, which was voted in, is listed as part of the
> PPMC.
> > > > >
> > > > > --emi
> > > > >
> > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > > >
> > > > > On 13 June 2018 7:22 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > > > >
> > > > > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I checked this URL, which is accessible to Apache committers
> only, and I
> > > > > >
> > > > > > noticed that the people we thought we had voted on as PPMC
> members are
> > > > > >
> > > > > > listed as committers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...which is not a problem during incubation, but can be a
> problem at the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > end of incubation when the list of PPMC members is taken as the
> basis of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the new PMC, at which point 'mere' committers would be left out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of
> the PPMC?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between
> the roles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gj
> > > > >
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Re: Committers vs. PPMC members
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch>.
Please correct:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e1716b1cb49442f7e1176aee6c82ee1b9ab74536af46dde3fe40f185@%3Cprivate.netbeans.apache.org%3E
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/49e226c3bf2716fe1df02975eec6278bc85bde69b329bcfe2e9b19b6@%3Cprivate.netbeans.apache.org%3E
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1182d98092a1e22b463de6546ff7242cd084c5fc83a123aa27d1e46e@%3Cprivate.netbeans.apache.org%3E
--emi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On 13 June 2018 8:14 PM, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> If they were correctly voted in as PPMC, I can fix it.
>
> I just need some evidence, and I'm too lazy to look myself :p
>
> On 06/13/2018 12:12 PM, Emilian Bold wrote:
>
> > > [...] All I am asking is that we affirm that, i.e.,
> > >
> > > that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one vote
> > >
> > > covers both...
> >
> > Even if we change this it would not apply to previous votes.
> >
> > Also, we have existing email templates the work, why change anything?
> >
> > To me it seems we just have to fix a small error in whimsy records, nothing else.
> >
> > --emi
> >
> > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> >
> > On 13 June 2018 8:07 PM, Geertjan Wielenga geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, my understanding is that our votes are to get people in as PPMC member
> > >
> > > and committer simulraneously. All I am asking is that we affirm that, i.e.,
> > >
> > > that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one vote
> > >
> > > covers both...
> > >
> > > Gj
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2018, Emilian Bold emilian.bold@protonmail.ch
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of the PPMC?
> > > > >
> > > > > Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between the roles.
> > > > >
> > > > > If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
> > > >
> > > > -1 (binding)
> > > >
> > > > Not sure what the purpose of this is.
> > > >
> > > > We should have a vote result where people were voted into the PPMC. If
> > > >
> > > > they are not listed on whimsy but they were voted in, it's just a matter of
> > > >
> > > > fixing the records there via our mentors or the secretary.
> > > >
> > > > Note that Antonio, which was voted in, is listed as part of the PPMC.
> > > >
> > > > --emi
> > > >
> > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > >
> > > > On 13 June 2018 7:22 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > > >
> > > > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I checked this URL, which is accessible to Apache committers only, and I
> > > > >
> > > > > noticed that the people we thought we had voted on as PPMC members are
> > > > >
> > > > > listed as committers.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
> > > > >
> > > > > ...which is not a problem during incubation, but can be a problem at the
> > > > >
> > > > > end of incubation when the list of PPMC members is taken as the basis of
> > > > >
> > > > > the new PMC, at which point 'mere' committers would be left out.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of the PPMC?
> > > > >
> > > > > Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between the roles.
> > > > >
> > > > > If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Gj
> > > >
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Re: Committers vs. PPMC members
Posted by Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>.
If they were correctly voted in as PPMC, I can fix it.
I just need some evidence, and I'm too lazy to look myself :p
On 06/13/2018 12:12 PM, Emilian Bold wrote:
>> [...] All I am asking is that we affirm that, i.e.,
>> that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one vote
>> covers both...
>
> Even if we change this it would not apply to previous votes.
>
> Also, we have existing email templates the work, why change anything?
>
> To me it seems we just have to fix a small error in whimsy records, nothing else.
>
> --emi
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>
> On 13 June 2018 8:07 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, my understanding is that our votes are to get people in as PPMC member
>>
>> and committer simulraneously. All I am asking is that we affirm that, i.e.,
>>
>> that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one vote
>>
>> covers both...
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 13, 2018, Emilian Bold emilian.bold@protonmail.ch
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of the PPMC?
>>>>
>>>> Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between the roles.
>>>>
>>>> If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
>>>
>>> -1 (binding)
>>>
>>> Not sure what the purpose of this is.
>>>
>>> We should have a vote result where people were voted into the PPMC. If
>>>
>>> they are not listed on whimsy but they were voted in, it's just a matter of
>>>
>>> fixing the records there via our mentors or the secretary.
>>>
>>> Note that Antonio, which was voted in, is listed as part of the PPMC.
>>>
>>> --emi
>>>
>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>
>>> On 13 June 2018 7:22 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>>
>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I checked this URL, which is accessible to Apache committers only, and I
>>>>
>>>> noticed that the people we thought we had voted on as PPMC members are
>>>>
>>>> listed as committers.
>>>>
>>>> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
>>>>
>>>> ...which is not a problem during incubation, but can be a problem at the
>>>>
>>>> end of incubation when the list of PPMC members is taken as the basis of
>>>>
>>>> the new PMC, at which point 'mere' committers would be left out.
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of the PPMC?
>>>>
>>>> Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between the roles.
>>>>
>>>> If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Gj
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Re: Committers vs. PPMC members
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch>.
> [...] All I am asking is that we affirm that, i.e.,
> that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one vote
> covers both...
Even if we change this it would not apply to previous votes.
Also, we have existing email templates the work, why change anything?
To me it seems we just have to fix a small error in whimsy records, nothing else.
--emi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On 13 June 2018 8:07 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Yes, my understanding is that our votes are to get people in as PPMC member
>
> and committer simulraneously. All I am asking is that we affirm that, i.e.,
>
> that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one vote
>
> covers both...
>
> Gj
>
> On Wednesday, June 13, 2018, Emilian Bold emilian.bold@protonmail.ch
>
> wrote:
>
> > > Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of the PPMC?
> > >
> > > Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between the roles.
> > >
> > > If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
> >
> > -1 (binding)
> >
> > Not sure what the purpose of this is.
> >
> > We should have a vote result where people were voted into the PPMC. If
> >
> > they are not listed on whimsy but they were voted in, it's just a matter of
> >
> > fixing the records there via our mentors or the secretary.
> >
> > Note that Antonio, which was voted in, is listed as part of the PPMC.
> >
> > --emi
> >
> > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> >
> > On 13 June 2018 7:22 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> >
> > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I checked this URL, which is accessible to Apache committers only, and I
> > >
> > > noticed that the people we thought we had voted on as PPMC members are
> > >
> > > listed as committers.
> > >
> > > https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
> > >
> > > ...which is not a problem during incubation, but can be a problem at the
> > >
> > > end of incubation when the list of PPMC members is taken as the basis of
> > >
> > > the new PMC, at which point 'mere' committers would be left out.
> > >
> > > Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of the PPMC?
> > >
> > > Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between the roles.
> > >
> > > If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Gj
> >
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Re: Committers vs. PPMC members
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
Yes, my understanding is that our votes are to get people in as PPMC member
and committer simulraneously. All I am asking is that we affirm that, i.e.,
that we do not have separate processes for these roles but that one vote
covers both...
Gj
On Wednesday, June 13, 2018, Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch>
wrote:
> > Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of the PPMC?
> >
> > Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between the roles.
> >
> > If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
>
> -1 (binding)
>
> Not sure what the purpose of this is.
>
> We should have a vote result where people were voted into the PPMC. If
> they are not listed on whimsy but they were voted in, it's just a matter of
> fixing the records there via our mentors or the secretary.
>
> Note that Antonio, which was voted in, is listed as part of the PPMC.
>
> --emi
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>
> On 13 June 2018 7:22 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I checked this URL, which is accessible to Apache committers only, and I
> >
> > noticed that the people we thought we had voted on as PPMC members are
> >
> > listed as committers.
> >
> > https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
> >
> > ...which is not a problem during incubation, but can be a problem at the
> >
> > end of incubation when the list of PPMC members is taken as the basis of
> >
> > the new PMC, at which point 'mere' committers would be left out.
> >
> > Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of the PPMC?
> >
> > Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between the roles.
> >
> > If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gj
>
>
>
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Re: Committers vs. PPMC members
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch>.
> Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of the PPMC?
>
> Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between the roles.
>
> If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
-1 (binding)
Not sure what the purpose of this is.
We should have a vote result where people were voted into the PPMC. If they are not listed on whimsy but they were voted in, it's just a matter of fixing the records there via our mentors or the secretary.
Note that Antonio, which was voted in, is listed as part of the PPMC.
--emi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On 13 June 2018 7:22 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I checked this URL, which is accessible to Apache committers only, and I
>
> noticed that the people we thought we had voted on as PPMC members are
>
> listed as committers.
>
> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
>
> ...which is not a problem during incubation, but can be a problem at the
>
> end of incubation when the list of PPMC members is taken as the basis of
>
> the new PMC, at which point 'mere' committers would be left out.
>
> Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of the PPMC?
>
> Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between the roles.
>
> If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
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Re: Committers vs. PPMC members
Posted by Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>.
On 06/13/2018 11:22 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I checked this URL, which is accessible to Apache committers only, and I
> noticed that the people we thought we had voted on as PPMC members are
> listed as committers.
>
> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans
>
> ...which is not a problem during incubation, but can be a problem at the
> end of incubation when the list of PPMC members is taken as the basis of
> the new PMC, at which point 'mere' committers would be left out.
Can be, but really isn't. At graduation, we propose a PMC to the board.
This PMC does not need to be solely PPMC members, you can include anyone
you wish.
>
> Is anyone opposed for considering all committers to be part of the PPMC?
> Effectively, during incubation, there is no difference between the roles.
>
> If no one disagrees in 72 hours, the above will be the way it is.
While I don't disagree with the goal, I would request a vote on this in
the PPMC, since it is a de facto project bylaw change, which would
require either a chair (which we don't have) proposing it or an
affirmative vote.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
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