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Posted to dev@lenya.apache.org by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org> on 2005/05/07 03:35:55 UTC
1.4a1 release?
i think we should do a first alpha release of 1.4 in the next few weeks,
with a clear warning that this should not be used for any live site...
there are of course many bugs left in 1.4, but at the same time, we want
more widespread testing and feedback for it's major new features like
the usecase framework and publication templating.
comments?
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Re: 1.4a1 release?
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
J. Wolfgang Kaltz wrote:
> Gregor J. Rothfuss schrieb:
>
>> i think we should do a first alpha release of 1.4 in the next few weeks,
>
>
> an interesting thread ;)
>
>> with a clear warning that this should not be used for any live
>> site... there are of course many bugs left in 1.4, but at the same
>> time, we want more widespread testing and feedback for it's major new
>> features like the usecase framework and publication templating.
>>
>> comments?
>
>
> IMO editor integration (BXE, Kupu), including asset handling, should be
> completed before any 1.4 alpha release. Is someone currently working on
> this ?
Yes, me. I tried to port BXE to the usecase framework, but didn't
succeed. I guess it is easier to keep using the custom flowscript, which
would need some modifications re. the repository handling, check-in/out
etc.
> On another subject, I hope to finish this week the metadata handling we
> discussed recently, but this will be transparent to a casual user anyway.
>
> Once editor integration is OK, I would be +1 for an 1.4 alpha, if we
> agree that "alpha" means that there may still be significant changes in
> functionality & internals between alpha and beta.
Another issue is the admin area which is not yet feature complete
(IP range administration is not finished).
-- Andreas
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Re: 1.4a1 release?
Posted by Torsten Schlabach <ts...@apache.org>.
>> agreed. what is left to do there?
Build a prototype and present if for discussion.
To be honest, I got pretty stuck in some Avalon topics which is why this
is not finished yet. Remember that drawing
+--------------------------+----------+
| | Plugin A | <--> Jackrabbit
| +----------+
| | Plugin B | <--> SVN
| +----------+
| | Plugin C | <--> Wiki Resource Type
| +----------+
| | Plugin E | <--> Link Resource Type
| +----------+
| L e n y a C o r e | Plugin F | <--> SVG Editor
| +----------+
| | Plugin G | <--> RSS Feed Includer
| +----------+
| | Plugin H | <--> XDoc site.xml editor
| +----------+
| | Plugin I | <--> CSS Editor
| +----------+
| | Plugin J | <--> (your wildest phantasies)
| +----------+
| | Plugin K | <--> OpenOffice Desktop Int.
+-----------------+--------+----------+
| Template A | |
+-----------------+ |
| Pub AA | Pub AB | Pub C |
+--------------------------+
from
http://wiki.apache.org/lenya/Sitemap2JavaApiContractProposal
I have been spending quite some time with some required fundamentals,
such as how to properly refert to a DTD / XML Schema / RelaxNG schema
with a urn. When I was trying to write a URN source I found that I had a
lack of understanding regarding some practical Avalon concepts. This
lead me to spending some time in Cocoon land and helping them out with
some documentation, see:
http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=34696
(I haven't yet gotten this into Cocoon SVN. I thought from an earlier
discussion that we as Lenya committers had read-write rights to the
Cocoon SVN as well, but obviously I haven't. I have obtained permission
from the Cocoon guys
(http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cocoon.apache.org/msg30334.html). I
told them I couldn't check it in, but they haven't found the time yet
obviously.
Back to track:
I want all this urn stuff for my BXE 2.0 experiments. I try to come up
with a BXE 2.0 module which will
- separate the editor from resource types
- provide a place to plug or even refer to an unmodified version of the
editor
- demonstrate a potential editor plugin API
Regards,
Torsten
Gregor J. Rothfuss schrieb:
> Torsten Schlabach wrote:
>
>> >> IMO editor integration (BXE, Kupu), including asset handling, should
>> >> be completed before any 1.4 alpha release. Is someone currently
>> >> working on this ?
>>
>> I am. In IMO this should be in a workable state before a 1.4 alpha
>> release.
>>
>> BTW: I would spell alpha out to make it clearer, i.e. 1.4-alpha-1
>
>
> agreed. what is left to do there?
>
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Re: 1.4a1 release?
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
Torsten Schlabach wrote:
> >> IMO editor integration (BXE, Kupu), including asset handling, should
> >> be completed before any 1.4 alpha release. Is someone currently
> >> working on this ?
>
> I am. In IMO this should be in a workable state before a 1.4 alpha release.
>
> BTW: I would spell alpha out to make it clearer, i.e. 1.4-alpha-1
agreed. what is left to do there?
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Re: 1.4a1 release?
Posted by Torsten Schlabach <ts...@apache.org>.
>> IMO editor integration (BXE, Kupu), including asset handling, should
>> be completed before any 1.4 alpha release. Is someone currently
>> working on this ?
I am. In IMO this should be in a workable state before a 1.4 alpha release.
BTW: I would spell alpha out to make it clearer, i.e. 1.4-alpha-1
Regards,
Torsten
J. Wolfgang Kaltz schrieb:
> Gregor J. Rothfuss schrieb:
>
>> i think we should do a first alpha release of 1.4 in the next few weeks,
>
>
> an interesting thread ;)
>
>> with a clear warning that this should not be used for any live
>> site... there are of course many bugs left in 1.4, but at the same
>> time, we want more widespread testing and feedback for it's major new
>> features like the usecase framework and publication templating.
>>
>> comments?
>
>
> IMO editor integration (BXE, Kupu), including asset handling, should be
> completed before any 1.4 alpha release. Is someone currently working on
> this ?
> On another subject, I hope to finish this week the metadata handling we
> discussed recently, but this will be transparent to a casual user anyway.
>
> Once editor integration is OK, I would be +1 for an 1.4 alpha, if we
> agree that "alpha" means that there may still be significant changes in
> functionality & internals between alpha and beta.
>
>
> --
> Wolfgang
>
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Re: 1.4a1 release?
Posted by "J. Wolfgang Kaltz" <jw...@apache.org>.
Gregor J. Rothfuss schrieb:
> (...)
>> IMO editor integration (BXE, Kupu), including asset handling, should
>> be completed before any 1.4 alpha release. Is someone currently
>> working on this ?
>
>
> can you give some more details? what do you mean with completed? since
> they are already integrated today, i suppose you mean either a common
> editor interface, or fixing the open editor integration bugs from
> http://wiki.apache.org/lenya/14Planning , or both?
>
No, actually I just meant the core features for now:
- saving in BXE
- inserting asset in BXE (the upload via the asset button works, but the
object does not get inserted)
- saving in Kupu
Re. Torsten's mail, I don't know whether it would be duplication of
efforts to address these at this time.
--
Wolfgang
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Re: 1.4a1 release?
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
Torsten Schlabach wrote:
> >> i'd like to work on this if i know what needs to be done
>
> IMO this is about both.
> I am currently about to get a suggestion checked into the Sandbox
> regarding the ideas we have discussed earlier regarding a proper editor
> API. I am not sure how much value there is in fixing integration bugs
> that relate to the current concept of editor integration.
good point, i will hold off then.
> If you feel that whatever is the reason for the bug is pretty
> independent of how the editor is integrated, then you could of course
> fix it. But if you feel you can wait some days this could save
> duplication of efforts.
hard to say. the current editor integration bugs are all solvable with
tweaking of XSL and maybe adding additional pipelines
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Re: 1.4a1 release?
Posted by Torsten Schlabach <ts...@apache.org>.
Gregor,
>> can you give some more details? what do you mean with completed?
>> since they are already integrated today, i suppose you mean either a
>> common editor interface, or fixing the open editor integration bugs
>> from http://wiki.apache.org/lenya/14Planning , or both?
>> i'd like to work on this if i know what needs to be done
IMO this is about both.
I am currently about to get a suggestion checked into the Sandbox
regarding the ideas we have discussed earlier regarding a proper editor
API. I am not sure how much value there is in fixing integration bugs
that relate to the current concept of editor integration.
If you feel that whatever is the reason for the bug is pretty
independent of how the editor is integrated, then you could of course
fix it. But if you feel you can wait some days this could save
duplication of efforts.
Regards,
Torsten
Gregor J. Rothfuss schrieb:
> J. Wolfgang Kaltz wrote:
>
>>> i think we should do a first alpha release of 1.4 in the next few weeks,
>>
>>
>> an interesting thread ;)
>
>
> heh. i figured this would be easier than endless discussions about the
> scope of 1.4 :)
>
>> IMO editor integration (BXE, Kupu), including asset handling, should
>> be completed before any 1.4 alpha release. Is someone currently
>> working on this ?
>
>
> can you give some more details? what do you mean with completed? since
> they are already integrated today, i suppose you mean either a common
> editor interface, or fixing the open editor integration bugs from
> http://wiki.apache.org/lenya/14Planning , or both?
>
> i'd like to work on this if i know what needs to be done
>
>
>> On another subject, I hope to finish this week the metadata handling
>> we discussed recently, but this will be transparent to a casual user
>> anyway.
>
>
> cool
>
>> Once editor integration is OK, I would be +1 for an 1.4 alpha, if we
>> agree that "alpha" means that there may still be significant changes
>> in functionality & internals between alpha and beta.
>
>
> absolutely. the idea is to expose the current state to a wider audience
> and get more feedback (and find bugs, etc)
>
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Re: 1.4a1 release?
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
J. Wolfgang Kaltz wrote:
>> i think we should do a first alpha release of 1.4 in the next few weeks,
>
> an interesting thread ;)
heh. i figured this would be easier than endless discussions about the
scope of 1.4 :)
> IMO editor integration (BXE, Kupu), including asset handling, should be
> completed before any 1.4 alpha release. Is someone currently working on
> this ?
can you give some more details? what do you mean with completed? since
they are already integrated today, i suppose you mean either a common
editor interface, or fixing the open editor integration bugs from
http://wiki.apache.org/lenya/14Planning , or both?
i'd like to work on this if i know what needs to be done
> On another subject, I hope to finish this week the metadata handling we
> discussed recently, but this will be transparent to a casual user anyway.
cool
> Once editor integration is OK, I would be +1 for an 1.4 alpha, if we
> agree that "alpha" means that there may still be significant changes in
> functionality & internals between alpha and beta.
absolutely. the idea is to expose the current state to a wider audience
and get more feedback (and find bugs, etc)
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Re: 1.4a1 release?
Posted by "J. Wolfgang Kaltz" <jw...@apache.org>.
Gregor J. Rothfuss schrieb:
> i think we should do a first alpha release of 1.4 in the next few weeks,
an interesting thread ;)
> with a clear warning that this should not be used for any live site...
> there are of course many bugs left in 1.4, but at the same time, we want
> more widespread testing and feedback for it's major new features like
> the usecase framework and publication templating.
>
> comments?
IMO editor integration (BXE, Kupu), including asset handling, should be
completed before any 1.4 alpha release. Is someone currently working on
this ?
On another subject, I hope to finish this week the metadata handling we
discussed recently, but this will be transparent to a casual user anyway.
Once editor integration is OK, I would be +1 for an 1.4 alpha, if we
agree that "alpha" means that there may still be significant changes in
functionality & internals between alpha and beta.
--
Wolfgang
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