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Posted to marketing@openoffice.apache.org by Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au> on 2012/01/04 07:18:36 UTC
Misleading information and link on openoffice.org home page
This marginally concerns marketing because the websites are major marketing tools and at present the home page provides misleading information.
I have been puzzled that the dev list recently received emails from users requesting help with the software or reporting issues. Members of the list have, as expected, ignored such emails.
I believe I have discovered the origin of the problem. It is the item at the top of the openoffice.org home page:
<quote>
www.openoffice.org is now hosted by the Apache Software Foundation
The website has migrated to infrastructure hosted by the Apache Software Foundation. Contact the Development Mailing List if you have questions or comments
</quote>
The embedded link is http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html#development_mailing_list
The item needs to be more specific, obviously. Could someone please raise this on the dev list as that seems to be where this matter should be aired. I am not subscribed to the dev list and my direct email did not get through.
Regards.
Re: Misleading information and link on openoffice.org home page
Posted by Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>.
Thank you.
It is also in the interests of the dev list that it doesn't receive requests from users for help with the software and bug reports. Perhaps I didn't mention that I am referring to the top item in the right sidebar of the home page.
Help with the software is the concern of the users' list and the forums. There is a site for reporting issues and a one way issues mailing list.
Regards.
----- Original Message -----
> From: Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@googlemail.com>
> To: ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 January 2012 8:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Misleading information and link on openoffice.org home page
>
> On 1/4/12 9:58 AM, Terry wrote:
>> My point was that the entry at the top of the side bar directs people to
> the dev list. Not the place to go for 'questions'.
>>
>> I could report it as an issue but I think it needs to be fixed smartly.
> I'm not going to subscribe to the dev list and I was hoping someone on this
> list who is also subscribed to the dev list could raise the subject there.
>>
> i am wondering a little bit why you are not subscribed to the ooo-dev
> list which is the main communication list for this project but anyway. I
> assume you want to focus on marketing related topics only.
>
> If we would use a specific tag like [WEBSIDE] or so you could easily
> filter for such messages only and don't have to read it all.
>
> I got your point and i think it is time now to start thinking about the
> content of the page. The migration is done and we can now improve the
> content if think there is demand for it. The portal page
> www.openoffice.org is an important entry point for all. We want to help
> newcomers to find the product and easy download it, find help for user
> related problems. We want help people to find the way into the project,
> people who are interested in doing more like development, documentation,
> translation, QA, ...
>
> As you have pointed out this is of course related to marketing as well
> and we can of course start the discussion here. But in the end we have
> to share it with the broader community on ooo-dev as well. So i would
> prefer to start it directly on ooo-dev where all involved parties are
> available.
>
> Juergen
>
>> Regards.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Jürgen Schmidt<jo...@googlemail.com>
>>> To: ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>>> Cc:
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 4 January 2012 7:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Misleading information and link on openoffice.org home
> page
>>>
>>> On 1/4/12 8:10 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Terry wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This marginally concerns marketing because the websites are
>>>>> major marketing tools and at present the home page provides misleading
>>>>> information.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been puzzled that the dev list recently received emails from
>>>>> users requesting help with the software or reporting issues. Members
>>>>> of the list have, as expected, ignored such emails.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe I have discovered the origin of the problem. It is
>>>>> the item at the top of the openoffice.org home page:
>>>>>
>>>>> <quote>
>>>>> www.openoffice.org is now hosted by the Apache Software
>>>>> Foundation
>>>>>
>>>>> The website has migrated to infrastructure hosted by the Apache
>>>>> Software Foundation. Contact the Development Mailing List if you have
>>>>> questions or comments
>>>>> </quote>
>>>>>
>>>>> The embedded link is
>>> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html#development_mailing_list
>>>>>
>>>>> The item needs to be more specific, obviously. Could someone
>>>>> please raise this on the dev list as that seems to be where this matter should
>>>>> be aired. I am not subscribed to the dev list and my direct email did not get
>>>>> through.
>>>>
>>>> Where should users report these issues? If a case for a different list is
>>>> made it is easy to change.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think reporting problems is fine to do that on ooo-dev. Asking user
>>> questions should go to ooo-users or we should point to the forum.
>>>
>>> I suggest we start a new discussion on the dev list to figure out the
>>> most important and relevant navigation paths and communication entry
>>> points from the main www.openoffice.org side.
>>>
>>> Juergen
>>>
>
Re: Misleading information and link on openoffice.org home page
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@googlemail.com>.
On 1/4/12 9:58 AM, Terry wrote:
> My point was that the entry at the top of the side bar directs people to the dev list. Not the place to go for 'questions'.
>
> I could report it as an issue but I think it needs to be fixed smartly. I'm not going to subscribe to the dev list and I was hoping someone on this list who is also subscribed to the dev list could raise the subject there.
>
i am wondering a little bit why you are not subscribed to the ooo-dev
list which is the main communication list for this project but anyway. I
assume you want to focus on marketing related topics only.
If we would use a specific tag like [WEBSIDE] or so you could easily
filter for such messages only and don't have to read it all.
I got your point and i think it is time now to start thinking about the
content of the page. The migration is done and we can now improve the
content if think there is demand for it. The portal page
www.openoffice.org is an important entry point for all. We want to help
newcomers to find the product and easy download it, find help for user
related problems. We want help people to find the way into the project,
people who are interested in doing more like development, documentation,
translation, QA, ...
As you have pointed out this is of course related to marketing as well
and we can of course start the discussion here. But in the end we have
to share it with the broader community on ooo-dev as well. So i would
prefer to start it directly on ooo-dev where all involved parties are
available.
Juergen
> Regards.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jürgen Schmidt<jo...@googlemail.com>
>> To: ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Wednesday, 4 January 2012 7:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: Misleading information and link on openoffice.org home page
>>
>> On 1/4/12 8:10 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Terry wrote:
>>>
>>>> This marginally concerns marketing because the websites are major
>> marketing tools and at present the home page provides misleading information.
>>>>
>>>> I have been puzzled that the dev list recently received emails from
>> users requesting help with the software or reporting issues. Members of the
>> list have, as expected, ignored such emails.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I believe I have discovered the origin of the problem. It is the item
>> at the top of the openoffice.org home page:
>>>>
>>>> <quote>
>>>> www.openoffice.org is now hosted by the Apache Software Foundation
>>>>
>>>> The website has migrated to infrastructure hosted by the Apache
>> Software Foundation. Contact the Development Mailing List if you have questions
>> or comments
>>>> </quote>
>>>>
>>>> The embedded link is
>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html#development_mailing_list
>>>>
>>>> The item needs to be more specific, obviously. Could someone please
>> raise this on the dev list as that seems to be where this matter should be
>> aired. I am not subscribed to the dev list and my direct email did not get
>> through.
>>>
>>> Where should users report these issues? If a case for a different list is
>> made it is easy to change.
>>>
>>
>> I think reporting problems is fine to do that on ooo-dev. Asking user
>> questions should go to ooo-users or we should point to the forum.
>>
>> I suggest we start a new discussion on the dev list to figure out the
>> most important and relevant navigation paths and communication entry
>> points from the main www.openoffice.org side.
>>
>> Juergen
>>
Re: Misleading information and link on openoffice.org home page
Posted by Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>.
My point was that the entry at the top of the side bar directs people to the dev list. Not the place to go for 'questions'.
I could report it as an issue but I think it needs to be fixed smartly. I'm not going to subscribe to the dev list and I was hoping someone on this list who is also subscribed to the dev list could raise the subject there.
Regards.
----- Original Message -----
> From: Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@googlemail.com>
> To: ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 January 2012 7:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Misleading information and link on openoffice.org home page
>
> On 1/4/12 8:10 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Terry wrote:
>>
>>> This marginally concerns marketing because the websites are major
> marketing tools and at present the home page provides misleading information.
>>>
>>> I have been puzzled that the dev list recently received emails from
> users requesting help with the software or reporting issues. Members of the
> list have, as expected, ignored such emails.
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe I have discovered the origin of the problem. It is the item
> at the top of the openoffice.org home page:
>>>
>>> <quote>
>>> www.openoffice.org is now hosted by the Apache Software Foundation
>>>
>>> The website has migrated to infrastructure hosted by the Apache
> Software Foundation. Contact the Development Mailing List if you have questions
> or comments
>>> </quote>
>>>
>>> The embedded link is
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html#development_mailing_list
>>>
>>> The item needs to be more specific, obviously. Could someone please
> raise this on the dev list as that seems to be where this matter should be
> aired. I am not subscribed to the dev list and my direct email did not get
> through.
>>
>> Where should users report these issues? If a case for a different list is
> made it is easy to change.
>>
>
> I think reporting problems is fine to do that on ooo-dev. Asking user
> questions should go to ooo-users or we should point to the forum.
>
> I suggest we start a new discussion on the dev list to figure out the
> most important and relevant navigation paths and communication entry
> points from the main www.openoffice.org side.
>
> Juergen
>
Re: Misleading information and link on openoffice.org home page
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@googlemail.com>.
On 1/4/12 8:10 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Terry wrote:
>
>> This marginally concerns marketing because the websites are major marketing tools and at present the home page provides misleading information.
>>
>> I have been puzzled that the dev list recently received emails from users requesting help with the software or reporting issues. Members of the list have, as expected, ignored such emails.
>>
>>
>> I believe I have discovered the origin of the problem. It is the item at the top of the openoffice.org home page:
>>
>> <quote>
>> www.openoffice.org is now hosted by the Apache Software Foundation
>>
>> The website has migrated to infrastructure hosted by the Apache Software Foundation. Contact the Development Mailing List if you have questions or comments
>> </quote>
>>
>> The embedded link is http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html#development_mailing_list
>>
>> The item needs to be more specific, obviously. Could someone please raise this on the dev list as that seems to be where this matter should be aired. I am not subscribed to the dev list and my direct email did not get through.
>
> Where should users report these issues? If a case for a different list is made it is easy to change.
>
I think reporting problems is fine to do that on ooo-dev. Asking user
questions should go to ooo-users or we should point to the forum.
I suggest we start a new discussion on the dev list to figure out the
most important and relevant navigation paths and communication entry
points from the main www.openoffice.org side.
Juergen
Re: Misleading information and link on openoffice.org home page
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On Jan 4, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> I think there needs to be a specific page that users are guided to from the front porch of the site. It should not ask them to choose among lists that they are not clear about.
>
> Also, if we direct questions to ooo-user, it needs to be clear that (1) the question post is going to be moderated and (2) unless they are subscribed instead, they won't see it and they might not see any response either.
>
> (One way to help with this is to provide a mailto: that adds a distinct subject that would let list readers know the message is from a non-subscriber. I'm told of even better technical solutions that have responses to queries go back to unsubscribed posters of the original question.)
>
> Having devs kick back on user/support requests on ooo-dev and abruptly close what are likely support issues on bugzilla is not such a good thing; a non-dev-involving solution is needed. Perhaps it is time to have an ooo-support@ list whose only subscribers are peer volunteers that refer requests to available FAQ, wikis, forums and other sources of guidance, including how to submit a researchable issue if that seems appropriate. A form of first-line support, as it were.
I have prepared this change to the main page.
<p>The website has migrated to infrastructure hosted by the Apache Software Foundation. Join the
<a href="http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html#users_mailing_list">Users Mailing List</a> or
<a href="http://user.services.openoffice.org/">User Forums</a> if you have questions or comments</p>
Note it says to join the users mailing or users forums. I'll push this change now. Feel free to adjust it, add a new landing on the podling site, alter the text on mailing-lists.mdtext, ...
Someone should JFDI. I've got to do other things.
Regards,
Dave
>
> - Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 07:25
> To: ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Misleading information and link on openoffice.org home page
>
>
> On Jan 4, 2012, at 6:43 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 2:10 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Terry wrote:
>>>
>>>> This marginally concerns marketing because the websites are major marketing tools and at present the home page provides misleading information.
>>>>
>>>> I have been puzzled that the dev list recently received emails from users requesting help with the software or reporting issues. Members of the list have, as expected, ignored such emails.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I believe I have discovered the origin of the problem. It is the item at the top of the openoffice.org home page:
>>>>
>>>> <quote>
>>>> www.openoffice.org is now hosted by the Apache Software Foundation
>>>>
>>>> The website has migrated to infrastructure hosted by the Apache Software Foundation. Contact the Development Mailing List if you have questions or comments
>>>> </quote>
>>>>
>>>> The embedded link is http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html#development_mailing_list
>>>>
>>>> The item needs to be more specific, obviously. Could someone please raise this on the dev list as that seems to be where this matter should be aired. I am not subscribed to the dev list and my direct email did not get through.
>>>
>>> Where should users report these issues? If a case for a different list is made it is easy to change.
>>>
>>
>> As a moderator for ooo-dev I've seen a big uptick in confused users
>> trying to subscribe and then quickly unsubscribe when they realize the
>> list is not what they expected.
>>
>> If we agree with the general intent of www.openoffice.org being the
>> end-user focused website, while the podling apache.org site is the
>> project-participant facing site, then I think general site questions
>> should go to ooo-users. That is our primary engagement with users.
>
> We should switch and have users go to ooo-users mailing list.
>
> http://www.openoffice.org change.
>
>> But if the goal just to have the user report problems, but not for
>> them to subscribe, then we could simply give the ooo-dev email address
>> without the subscription info. That might work well. But I think we
>> lead the average user down the wrong path if we encourage them to
>> subscribe to ooo-dev just in order to report a website issue.
>
> From the users mailing list section on the podling site offer an email to ooo-dev, bugzilla and user forums as alternatives.
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html#users_mailing_list
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>>
>>>
>
RE: Misleading information and link on openoffice.org home page
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <or...@apache.org>.
I think there needs to be a specific page that users are guided to from the front porch of the site. It should not ask them to choose among lists that they are not clear about.
Also, if we direct questions to ooo-user, it needs to be clear that (1) the question post is going to be moderated and (2) unless they are subscribed instead, they won't see it and they might not see any response either.
(One way to help with this is to provide a mailto: that adds a distinct subject that would let list readers know the message is from a non-subscriber. I'm told of even better technical solutions that have responses to queries go back to unsubscribed posters of the original question.)
Having devs kick back on user/support requests on ooo-dev and abruptly close what are likely support issues on bugzilla is not such a good thing; a non-dev-involving solution is needed. Perhaps it is time to have an ooo-support@ list whose only subscribers are peer volunteers that refer requests to available FAQ, wikis, forums and other sources of guidance, including how to submit a researchable issue if that seems appropriate. A form of first-line support, as it were.
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 07:25
To: ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Misleading information and link on openoffice.org home page
On Jan 4, 2012, at 6:43 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 2:10 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Terry wrote:
>>
>>> This marginally concerns marketing because the websites are major marketing tools and at present the home page provides misleading information.
>>>
>>> I have been puzzled that the dev list recently received emails from users requesting help with the software or reporting issues. Members of the list have, as expected, ignored such emails.
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe I have discovered the origin of the problem. It is the item at the top of the openoffice.org home page:
>>>
>>> <quote>
>>> www.openoffice.org is now hosted by the Apache Software Foundation
>>>
>>> The website has migrated to infrastructure hosted by the Apache Software Foundation. Contact the Development Mailing List if you have questions or comments
>>> </quote>
>>>
>>> The embedded link is http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html#development_mailing_list
>>>
>>> The item needs to be more specific, obviously. Could someone please raise this on the dev list as that seems to be where this matter should be aired. I am not subscribed to the dev list and my direct email did not get through.
>>
>> Where should users report these issues? If a case for a different list is made it is easy to change.
>>
>
> As a moderator for ooo-dev I've seen a big uptick in confused users
> trying to subscribe and then quickly unsubscribe when they realize the
> list is not what they expected.
>
> If we agree with the general intent of www.openoffice.org being the
> end-user focused website, while the podling apache.org site is the
> project-participant facing site, then I think general site questions
> should go to ooo-users. That is our primary engagement with users.
We should switch and have users go to ooo-users mailing list.
http://www.openoffice.org change.
> But if the goal just to have the user report problems, but not for
> them to subscribe, then we could simply give the ooo-dev email address
> without the subscription info. That might work well. But I think we
> lead the average user down the wrong path if we encourage them to
> subscribe to ooo-dev just in order to report a website issue.
>From the users mailing list section on the podling site offer an email to ooo-dev, bugzilla and user forums as alternatives.
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html#users_mailing_list
Regards,
Dave
>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>
Re: Misleading information and link on openoffice.org home page
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On Jan 4, 2012, at 6:43 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 2:10 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Terry wrote:
>>
>>> This marginally concerns marketing because the websites are major marketing tools and at present the home page provides misleading information.
>>>
>>> I have been puzzled that the dev list recently received emails from users requesting help with the software or reporting issues. Members of the list have, as expected, ignored such emails.
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe I have discovered the origin of the problem. It is the item at the top of the openoffice.org home page:
>>>
>>> <quote>
>>> www.openoffice.org is now hosted by the Apache Software Foundation
>>>
>>> The website has migrated to infrastructure hosted by the Apache Software Foundation. Contact the Development Mailing List if you have questions or comments
>>> </quote>
>>>
>>> The embedded link is http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html#development_mailing_list
>>>
>>> The item needs to be more specific, obviously. Could someone please raise this on the dev list as that seems to be where this matter should be aired. I am not subscribed to the dev list and my direct email did not get through.
>>
>> Where should users report these issues? If a case for a different list is made it is easy to change.
>>
>
> As a moderator for ooo-dev I've seen a big uptick in confused users
> trying to subscribe and then quickly unsubscribe when they realize the
> list is not what they expected.
>
> If we agree with the general intent of www.openoffice.org being the
> end-user focused website, while the podling apache.org site is the
> project-participant facing site, then I think general site questions
> should go to ooo-users. That is our primary engagement with users.
We should switch and have users go to ooo-users mailing list.
http://www.openoffice.org change.
> But if the goal just to have the user report problems, but not for
> them to subscribe, then we could simply give the ooo-dev email address
> without the subscription info. That might work well. But I think we
> lead the average user down the wrong path if we encourage them to
> subscribe to ooo-dev just in order to report a website issue.
From the users mailing list section on the podling site offer an email to ooo-dev, bugzilla and user forums as alternatives.
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html#users_mailing_list
Regards,
Dave
>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>
Re: Misleading information and link on openoffice.org home page
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 2:10 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Terry wrote:
>
>> This marginally concerns marketing because the websites are major marketing tools and at present the home page provides misleading information.
>>
>> I have been puzzled that the dev list recently received emails from users requesting help with the software or reporting issues. Members of the list have, as expected, ignored such emails.
>>
>>
>> I believe I have discovered the origin of the problem. It is the item at the top of the openoffice.org home page:
>>
>> <quote>
>> www.openoffice.org is now hosted by the Apache Software Foundation
>>
>> The website has migrated to infrastructure hosted by the Apache Software Foundation. Contact the Development Mailing List if you have questions or comments
>> </quote>
>>
>> The embedded link is http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html#development_mailing_list
>>
>> The item needs to be more specific, obviously. Could someone please raise this on the dev list as that seems to be where this matter should be aired. I am not subscribed to the dev list and my direct email did not get through.
>
> Where should users report these issues? If a case for a different list is made it is easy to change.
>
As a moderator for ooo-dev I've seen a big uptick in confused users
trying to subscribe and then quickly unsubscribe when they realize the
list is not what they expected.
If we agree with the general intent of www.openoffice.org being the
end-user focused website, while the podling apache.org site is the
project-participant facing site, then I think general site questions
should go to ooo-users. That is our primary engagement with users.
But if the goal just to have the user report problems, but not for
them to subscribe, then we could simply give the ooo-dev email address
without the subscription info. That might work well. But I think we
lead the average user down the wrong path if we encourage them to
subscribe to ooo-dev just in order to report a website issue.
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>
Re: Misleading information and link on openoffice.org home page
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Hi,
On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Terry wrote:
> This marginally concerns marketing because the websites are major marketing tools and at present the home page provides misleading information.
>
> I have been puzzled that the dev list recently received emails from users requesting help with the software or reporting issues. Members of the list have, as expected, ignored such emails.
>
>
> I believe I have discovered the origin of the problem. It is the item at the top of the openoffice.org home page:
>
> <quote>
> www.openoffice.org is now hosted by the Apache Software Foundation
>
> The website has migrated to infrastructure hosted by the Apache Software Foundation. Contact the Development Mailing List if you have questions or comments
> </quote>
>
> The embedded link is http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html#development_mailing_list
>
> The item needs to be more specific, obviously. Could someone please raise this on the dev list as that seems to be where this matter should be aired. I am not subscribed to the dev list and my direct email did not get through.
Where should users report these issues? If a case for a different list is made it is easy to change.
Regards,
Dave
>
>
> Regards.
>