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Posted to users@servicemix.apache.org by Rohit Kumar <ro...@wipro.com> on 2007/07/18 13:02:12 UTC
Servicemix support to easily interact with any BPM tool
Hi All,
I want to configure external BPM tool to Servicemix. Is there any
possiblility with Servicemix.My idea is, I want to configure external Rules
engine to servicemix.
Which way i can us Servicemix for Rules engine support.
Thanks in advance.
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RE: Servicemix support to easily interact with any BPM tool
Posted by ra...@wipro.com.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rohit Kumar [mailto:rohit.ykumar@wipro.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:55 PM
To: servicemix-users@geronimo.apache.org
Subject: RE: Servicemix support to easily interact with any BPM tool
>Hi Rabi,
> In my current flow I am sending xml message as input to consumer.
And applying Saxon transformer by using pipeline, >>and for debugging
the messages I am using taps in my flow. Next, according to the
conditions I am routing my message to >next component by using content
base router. XXX is drools component. I placed drools component in
between two >
>components. Drools rule create a new exchange target by using the
source component service name and will send it to the >
>specified destination.
To be honest I still do not understand the whole flow of yours. What I
can understand is that you are currently using drools component to
idenitfy the target(from the source component) and then route it to the
target .
> In my work flow, rules are written to represent behaviors of the
type IF condition THEN action. Just like
>production/inference rule engine.
> I am trying to use Drools component as Event based Rule engine.
For example rule engine could be used to alert a
>user when certain exception happen in the message flow then it should
take an action according to rules.
>Just like reactive rules engine.
In servicemix exchanges are nothing but events. When any component
receives a message it acts on it. If you can populate the exchange with
the errors and based on it you can write rules to oute it to an smtp
endpoint (alert). You have to design your message accordingly.
> 1)Is this possible with Servicemix Drools component?
> 2)Is the above implementation correct for using drools?
> 3)Can we integrate jBPM in servicemix (I am new to this
technologies, help me or give me the pointers)
Thanks & Regards,
Rohit.
rabi wrote:
>
>
> Rohit,
>
> I do not understand your usecase. What do you mean by "generating
> events based on some business process"???
>
> I also do not understand the current flow you mentioned. You have used
> so many eip components...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rohit Kumar [mailto:rohit.ykumar@wipro.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 1:22 PM
> To: servicemix-users@geronimo.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Servicemix support to easily interact with any BPM tool
>
>
> Hi Rabi,
>
> According to you, i did an example by using drools and my component
> setup is as follows
>
> JMS
> consumer--->XXX--->eip:Tap--->XXX--->eip:pipeline--->XXX--->Content
> Based Router--->XXX--->http BC--->XXX--->eip:Tap.
>
> where XXX is a drools component having routing logic.
>
> Now XXX is containing purely the routing logic. How can i make use of
> XXX for generating events based on some business process.
>
> is the above implementation correct for using dools.
>
>
>
> rabi wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi Rabi Mishra,
>>> Iam having some knowlege of drools.
>>
>>>My idea is to add hooks for every service which could get an event
>>>from Rules Engine. Rules Engine should be capable of generating
>>>events
>
>>>based on ceratin condition and notify them to the hooks using JMS
>>>channel. Is this possible?
>>
>> Yes, servicemix can receive events/messages over JMS channel. You
>> can
>
>> JMS Binding component for the same. Drools can also be used embeded
>> in
>
>> servicemix (Drools SE)
>>
>>> 1) How can i make use of Drools for my scenario
>> You can use either way that suits you best...
>> > 2) Is drools component provided by servicemix will support
> just
>>>routing of the messages?
>> Drools binding component is not for routing. You can write your rules
>> and do whaever processing of the message , change the conetent of the
>> message and send it to the next component.
>>
>>
>> > 3) What is the difference between BPEL and Drools.
>>
>> BPEL (Business Process Execution Laguage) is a standard for
>> webservice
>
>> orchestration and Drools is a rule engine. They serve different
> puposes.
>>
>>> Please direct me.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>>
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RE: Servicemix support to easily interact with any BPM tool
Posted by Rohit Kumar <ro...@wipro.com>.
Hi Rabi,
In my current flow I am sending xml message as input to consumer. And
applying Saxon transformer by using pipeline, and for debugging the messages
I am using taps in my flow. Next, according to the conditions I am routing
my message to next component by using content base router. XXX is drools
component. I placed drools component in between two components. Drools rule
create a new exchange target by using the source component service name and
will send it to the specified destination.
In my work flow, rules are written to represent behaviors of the type IF
condition THEN action. Just like production/inference rule engine.
I am trying to use Drools component as Event based Rule engine. For
example rule engine could be used to alert a user when certain exception
happen in the message flow then it should take an action according to rules.
Just like reactive rules engine.
1)Is this possible with Servicemix Drools component?
2)Is the above implementation correct for using drools?
3)Can we integrate jBPM in servicemix (I am new to this technologies,
help me or give me the pointers)
Thanks & Regards,
Rohit.
rabi wrote:
>
>
> Rohit,
>
> I do not understand your usecase. What do you mean by "generating
> events based on some business process"???
>
> I also do not understand the current flow you mentioned. You have used
> so many eip components...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rohit Kumar [mailto:rohit.ykumar@wipro.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 1:22 PM
> To: servicemix-users@geronimo.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Servicemix support to easily interact with any BPM tool
>
>
> Hi Rabi,
>
> According to you, i did an example by using drools and my component
> setup is as follows
>
> JMS
> consumer--->XXX--->eip:Tap--->XXX--->eip:pipeline--->XXX--->Content
> Based Router--->XXX--->http BC--->XXX--->eip:Tap.
>
> where XXX is a drools component having routing logic.
>
> Now XXX is containing purely the routing logic. How can i make use of
> XXX for generating events based on some business process.
>
> is the above implementation correct for using dools.
>
>
>
> rabi wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi Rabi Mishra,
>>> Iam having some knowlege of drools.
>>
>>>My idea is to add hooks for every service which could get an event
>>>from Rules Engine. Rules Engine should be capable of generating events
>
>>>based on ceratin condition and notify them to the hooks using JMS
>>>channel. Is this possible?
>>
>> Yes, servicemix can receive events/messages over JMS channel. You can
>
>> JMS Binding component for the same. Drools can also be used embeded in
>
>> servicemix (Drools SE)
>>
>>> 1) How can i make use of Drools for my scenario
>> You can use either way that suits you best...
>> > 2) Is drools component provided by servicemix will support
> just
>>>routing of the messages?
>> Drools binding component is not for routing. You can write your rules
>> and do whaever processing of the message , change the conetent of the
>> message and send it to the next component.
>>
>>
>> > 3) What is the difference between BPEL and Drools.
>>
>> BPEL (Business Process Execution Laguage) is a standard for webservice
>
>> orchestration and Drools is a rule engine. They serve different
> puposes.
>>
>>> Please direct me.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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RE: Servicemix support to easily interact with any BPM tool
Posted by ra...@wipro.com.
Rohit,
I do not understand your usecase. What do you mean by "generating
events based on some business process"???
I also do not understand the current flow you mentioned. You have used
so many eip components...
-----Original Message-----
From: Rohit Kumar [mailto:rohit.ykumar@wipro.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 1:22 PM
To: servicemix-users@geronimo.apache.org
Subject: RE: Servicemix support to easily interact with any BPM tool
Hi Rabi,
According to you, i did an example by using drools and my component
setup is as follows
JMS
consumer--->XXX--->eip:Tap--->XXX--->eip:pipeline--->XXX--->Content
Based Router--->XXX--->http BC--->XXX--->eip:Tap.
where XXX is a drools component having routing logic.
Now XXX is containing purely the routing logic. How can i make use of
XXX for generating events based on some business process.
is the above implementation correct for using dools.
rabi wrote:
>
>
>>Hi Rabi Mishra,
>> Iam having some knowlege of drools.
>
>>My idea is to add hooks for every service which could get an event
>>from Rules Engine. Rules Engine should be capable of generating events
>>based on ceratin condition and notify them to the hooks using JMS
>>channel. Is this possible?
>
> Yes, servicemix can receive events/messages over JMS channel. You can
> JMS Binding component for the same. Drools can also be used embeded in
> servicemix (Drools SE)
>
>> 1) How can i make use of Drools for my scenario
> You can use either way that suits you best...
> > 2) Is drools component provided by servicemix will support
just
>>routing of the messages?
> Drools binding component is not for routing. You can write your rules
> and do whaever processing of the message , change the conetent of the
> message and send it to the next component.
>
>
> > 3) What is the difference between BPEL and Drools.
>
> BPEL (Business Process Execution Laguage) is a standard for webservice
> orchestration and Drools is a rule engine. They serve different
puposes.
>
>> Please direct me.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
>
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RE: Servicemix support to easily interact with any BPM tool
Posted by Rohit Kumar <ro...@wipro.com>.
Hi Rabi,
According to you, i did an example by using drools and my component setup
is as follows
JMS consumer--->XXX--->eip:Tap--->XXX--->eip:pipeline--->XXX--->Content
Based Router--->XXX--->http BC--->XXX--->eip:Tap.
where XXX is a drools component having routing logic.
Now XXX is containing purely the routing logic. How can i make use of XXX
for generating events based on some business process.
is the above implementation correct for using dools.
rabi wrote:
>
>
>>Hi Rabi Mishra,
>> Iam having some knowlege of drools.
>
>>My idea is to add hooks for every service which could get an event from
>>Rules Engine. Rules Engine should be capable of generating events based on
>>ceratin condition and notify them to the hooks using JMS channel. Is this
>>possible?
>
> Yes, servicemix can receive events/messages over JMS channel. You can JMS
> Binding component for the same. Drools can also be used embeded in
> servicemix (Drools SE)
>
>> 1) How can i make use of Drools for my scenario
> You can use either way that suits you best...
> > 2) Is drools component provided by servicemix will support just
>>routing of the messages?
> Drools binding component is not for routing. You can write your rules and
> do whaever processing of the message , change the conetent of the message
> and send it to the next component.
>
>
> > 3) What is the difference between BPEL and Drools.
>
> BPEL (Business Process Execution Laguage) is a standard for webservice
> orchestration and Drools is a rule engine. They serve different puposes.
>
>> Please direct me.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
>
> The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments
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RE: Servicemix support to easily interact with any BPM tool
Posted by ra...@wipro.com.
>Hi Rabi Mishra,
> Iam having some knowlege of drools.
>My idea is to add hooks for every service which could get an event from
>Rules Engine. Rules Engine should be capable of generating events based on
>ceratin condition and notify them to the hooks using JMS channel. Is this
>possible?
Yes, servicemix can receive events/messages over JMS channel. You can JMS Binding component for the same. Drools can also be used embeded in servicemix (Drools SE)
> 1) How can i make use of Drools for my scenario
You can use either way that suits you best...
> 2) Is drools component provided by servicemix will support just
>routing of the messages?
Drools binding component is not for routing. You can write your rules and do whaever processing of the message , change the conetent of the message and send it to the next component.
> 3) What is the difference between BPEL and Drools.
BPEL (Business Process Execution Laguage) is a standard for webservice orchestration and Drools is a rule engine. They serve different puposes.
> Please direct me.
Thanks in advance.
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RE: Servicemix support to easily interact with any BPM tool
Posted by Rohit Kumar <ro...@wipro.com>.
Hi Rabi Mishra,
Iam having some knowlege of drools.
My idea is to add hooks for every service which could get an event from
Rules Engine. Rules Engine should be capable of generating events based on
ceratin condition and notify them to the hooks using JMS channel. Is this
possible?.
1) How can i make use of Drools for my scenario
2) Is drools component provided by servicemix will support just
routing of the messages?
3) What is the difference between BPEL and Drools.
Please direct me.
Thanks in advance.
rabi wrote:
>
>
> Rohit,
>
> Which BPM tool do you want to integrate with??
>
> 1. ServiceMix can use the ODE(http://incubator.apache.org/ode/) service
> engine that comes as an ODE
> distribution(http://people.apache.org/dist/incubator/ode/1.0-incubating/
> apache-ode-jbi-1.0-incubating.zip)
> 2. You can use also Drools (aka Jboss Rules) as the rule engine.
> ServiceMix has an inbuilt support for it.
>
>
> Regards,
> Rabi Mishra,
> http://rabisblog.blogspot.com/
> c++; /* this makes c bigger but returns the old value */
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rohit Kumar [mailto:rohit.ykumar@wipro.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 4:32 PM
> To: servicemix-users@geronimo.apache.org
> Subject: Servicemix support to easily interact with any BPM tool
>
>
> Hi All,
> I want to configure external BPM tool to Servicemix. Is there any
> possiblility with Servicemix.My idea is, I want to configure external
> Rules engine to servicemix.
> Which way i can us Servicemix for Rules engine support.
> Thanks in advance.
>
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RE: Servicemix support to easily interact with any BPM tool
Posted by ra...@wipro.com.
Rohit,
Which BPM tool do you want to integrate with??
1. ServiceMix can use the ODE(http://incubator.apache.org/ode/) service
engine that comes as an ODE
distribution(http://people.apache.org/dist/incubator/ode/1.0-incubating/
apache-ode-jbi-1.0-incubating.zip)
2. You can use also Drools (aka Jboss Rules) as the rule engine.
ServiceMix has an inbuilt support for it.
Regards,
Rabi Mishra,
http://rabisblog.blogspot.com/
c++; /* this makes c bigger but returns the old value */
-----Original Message-----
From: Rohit Kumar [mailto:rohit.ykumar@wipro.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 4:32 PM
To: servicemix-users@geronimo.apache.org
Subject: Servicemix support to easily interact with any BPM tool
Hi All,
I want to configure external BPM tool to Servicemix. Is there any
possiblility with Servicemix.My idea is, I want to configure external
Rules engine to servicemix.
Which way i can us Servicemix for Rules engine support.
Thanks in advance.
--
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Re: Servicemix support to easily interact with any BPM tool
Posted by Andrea Zoppello <zo...@tiscali.it>.
Take a look at spagic studio:
http://forge.objectweb.org/projects/spagic/
It's a new version of cimero that let's you to visual compose service
assembly.
Andrea Zoppello
Rohit Kumar ha scritto:
> Hi All,
> I want to configure external BPM tool to Servicemix. Is there any
> possiblility with Servicemix.My idea is, I want to configure external Rules
> engine to servicemix.
> Which way i can us Servicemix for Rules engine support.
> Thanks in advance.
>
>