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Re: svn commit: r31639 - branches/issue-3000/www
kfogel@tigris.org writes:
> Log:
> On the issue-3000-dev branch:
>
> Completely revamp the web site, using the plan in README.branch.
>
> This is a draft; severe bikeshedding both desired and expected :-).
I'd like to make this be the live web site, and work on it in trunk from
this point on. (I might tweak/reduce the left-side vertical nav bar
first, but that's easy.)
Any objections? It's far from perfect, but I think it's already better
than what what's live right now.
-Karl
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Re: svn commit: r31639 - branches/issue-3000/www
Posted by "C. Michael Pilato" <cm...@collab.net>.
Andrés G. Aragoneses wrote:
> I will advocate for the inclusion in the front page when it reaches
> almost feature parity with TortoiseSVN :) (although that's a high point
> to reach)
Feature parity isn't really the right comparison point to use here. We have
only so much screen real estate to offer. So, I'd say we'd consider adding
it to the front page which it reaches popularity parity (heh...) with the
other tools provided.
"No fair!", you shout, rightly noticing that a tool might in fact gain
popularity by being featured prominently in such lists of tools.
Sorry. Them's the breaks.
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Re: svn commit: r31639 - branches/issue-3000/www
Posted by "Andrés G. Aragoneses" <kn...@gmail.com>.
Yes, it's much clearer now, thanks Julian and C.Michael.
Andrés
Julian Foad wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 16:00 +0200, "Andrés G. Aragoneses" wrote:
>> Julian Foad wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 10:40 +0200, "Andrés G. Aragoneses" wrote:
>>>> Karl Fogel wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>> I'm not sure it makes sense for us to link to every IDE that has
>>>>> Subversion support, since huge numbers of them do these days. Instead,
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> I am not going to argue about this: you have the policies that you want.
>>>> But the only thing I would say is: if you don't include MonoDevelop,
>>>> please drop also NetBeans, JDeveloper, etc. (just for consistency).
>>> You are right, of course, Andrés. Thank you for saying it politely. This
>>> decision was bound to come up sooner or later as support for Subversion
>>> becomes more widespread, and it just happened to come up now.
>>>
>>> I have removed those, and one called "Eric", in r31710. The JDeveloper
>>> entry did contain a link named "Subversion plugin" but the linked page
>>> didn't mention it, so it's not clear what its status is. If there still
>>> is a separate plug-in it would be perfectly fine for somebody to
>>> reinstate a link to it. (The entry was worded too much like an advert
>>> for me to have much sympathy with it :-) .)
>>>
>>> I have also split up the section (in r31711) into four smaller
>>> categories to make it easier to find the links one is interested in.
>> Thanks for your answer Julian
>>
>> One last thing to discuss: it seems not clear yet for me, upon your and
>> Karl's statements, the policy about the inclusion, given that they are a
>> bit contradictory: Karl argues about not accepting programs that have
>> SVN support (we could define them as anyone who calls svn client API,
>> right?) but you seem more focused on having just a "module" for a
>> program which is a client.
>
> No, the point is not whether a program calls the API nor whether it is a
> "module". The point is whether a user needs our help to find the
> program.
>
> Here's what Karl said:
>> I'm not sure it makes sense for us to link to every IDE that has
>> Subversion support, since huge numbers of them do these days.
>> Instead,
>> we should link to Subversion-specific clients that a user might not
>> otherwise have as part of their development environment.
>
> And here's a note that I wrote in "links.html" in r31711 at the top of
> the new "IDE plug-ins" section
> <http://subversion.tigris.org/links.html#ide-plugins>:
>> Many Integrated Development Environments support Subversion either
>> natively or through a provided plug-in. This section aims to list IDE
>> plug-ins that are not provided with the IDE.
>
> Does that help to answer your question?
>
> We _could_ also have a section that lists IDEs (and other software) that
> have support for Subversion and says how that support is provided: built
> in, through a plug-in module that is provided with the program, and/or
> through plug-in modules that are available from separate sources. We
> don't currently have a list like this, but if someone would like to
> write one I wouldn't mind.
>
>> Regarding your opinion, and not Karl's, MonoDevelop could also be
>> included because:
>> - It's based on add-ins (more or less the same as plugins).
>> - It has a VersionControl add-in [1].
>> - It has a Subversion add-in [2], which depends on the former.
>
> I haven't looked closely, but it appears to me that the plug-in is
> included with the IDE and is therefore not something that a user would
> need to go looking for. Like Karl said about meals and aeroplanes, a
> user is not likely to want a whole new IDE just to get Subversion
> support, and if they already have the IDE then they don't need our help
> in finding the Subversion support in it.
>
> I hope that makes sense.
>
> Regards,
> - Julian
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Re: svn commit: r31639 - branches/issue-3000/www
Posted by Julian Foad <ju...@btopenworld.com>.
On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 16:00 +0200, "Andrés G. Aragoneses" wrote:
> Julian Foad wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 10:40 +0200, "Andrés G. Aragoneses" wrote:
> >> Karl Fogel wrote:
> > [...]
> >>> I'm not sure it makes sense for us to link to every IDE that has
> >>> Subversion support, since huge numbers of them do these days. Instead,
> > [...]
> >
> >> I am not going to argue about this: you have the policies that you want.
> >> But the only thing I would say is: if you don't include MonoDevelop,
> >> please drop also NetBeans, JDeveloper, etc. (just for consistency).
> >
> > You are right, of course, Andrés. Thank you for saying it politely. This
> > decision was bound to come up sooner or later as support for Subversion
> > becomes more widespread, and it just happened to come up now.
> >
> > I have removed those, and one called "Eric", in r31710. The JDeveloper
> > entry did contain a link named "Subversion plugin" but the linked page
> > didn't mention it, so it's not clear what its status is. If there still
> > is a separate plug-in it would be perfectly fine for somebody to
> > reinstate a link to it. (The entry was worded too much like an advert
> > for me to have much sympathy with it :-) .)
> >
> > I have also split up the section (in r31711) into four smaller
> > categories to make it easier to find the links one is interested in.
>
> Thanks for your answer Julian
>
> One last thing to discuss: it seems not clear yet for me, upon your and
> Karl's statements, the policy about the inclusion, given that they are a
> bit contradictory: Karl argues about not accepting programs that have
> SVN support (we could define them as anyone who calls svn client API,
> right?) but you seem more focused on having just a "module" for a
> program which is a client.
No, the point is not whether a program calls the API nor whether it is a
"module". The point is whether a user needs our help to find the
program.
Here's what Karl said:
> I'm not sure it makes sense for us to link to every IDE that has
> Subversion support, since huge numbers of them do these days.
> Instead,
> we should link to Subversion-specific clients that a user might not
> otherwise have as part of their development environment.
And here's a note that I wrote in "links.html" in r31711 at the top of
the new "IDE plug-ins" section
<http://subversion.tigris.org/links.html#ide-plugins>:
> Many Integrated Development Environments support Subversion either
> natively or through a provided plug-in. This section aims to list IDE
> plug-ins that are not provided with the IDE.
Does that help to answer your question?
We _could_ also have a section that lists IDEs (and other software) that
have support for Subversion and says how that support is provided: built
in, through a plug-in module that is provided with the program, and/or
through plug-in modules that are available from separate sources. We
don't currently have a list like this, but if someone would like to
write one I wouldn't mind.
> Regarding your opinion, and not Karl's, MonoDevelop could also be
> included because:
> - It's based on add-ins (more or less the same as plugins).
> - It has a VersionControl add-in [1].
> - It has a Subversion add-in [2], which depends on the former.
I haven't looked closely, but it appears to me that the plug-in is
included with the IDE and is therefore not something that a user would
need to go looking for. Like Karl said about meals and aeroplanes, a
user is not likely to want a whole new IDE just to get Subversion
support, and if they already have the IDE then they don't need our help
in finding the Subversion support in it.
I hope that makes sense.
Regards,
- Julian
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Re: svn commit: r31639 - branches/issue-3000/www
Posted by "C. Michael Pilato" <cm...@collab.net>.
I have to say, I'm a bit fuzzy on the policy here, too.
Things I know:
* We don't want to be in the business of listing every single application
that claims Subversion support.
* We don't want to appear to endorse one IDE/3rd-party-client over
another -- users can form their own opinions.
Had I to construct this policy right now, I'd say that (especially on a
'links' page) the primary deliverable is useful links, not a list of
software. We should be focused on providing links to Subversion-centric
third-party tools, IDEs, and IDE add-ons that are of obvious benefit to
users. If a standard installation of some IDE includes Subversion, we don't
need to list it. If, however, the Subversion support in some IDE or tool is
an add-on not included in a standard installation, then there is value to
users of that IDE in us providing a link to the place where they can get
that add-on. Notice that the distinction here isn't about whether the
Subversion support comes via a plug-in or add-on (modular development isn't
exactly a new concept). The distinction is about whether that plug-in is
something folks might find themselves having to locate on the Web themselves
because it isn't part of the standard installation of their tool of choice.
Andrés G. Aragoneses wrote:
> Julian Foad wrote:
>> On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 10:40 +0200, "Andrés G. Aragoneses" wrote:
>>> Karl Fogel wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> I'm not sure it makes sense for us to link to every IDE that has
>>>> Subversion support, since huge numbers of them do these days. Instead,
>> [...]
>>
>>> I am not going to argue about this: you have the policies that you
>>> want. But the only thing I would say is: if you don't include
>>> MonoDevelop, please drop also NetBeans, JDeveloper, etc. (just for
>>> consistency).
>>
>> You are right, of course, Andrés. Thank you for saying it politely. This
>> decision was bound to come up sooner or later as support for Subversion
>> becomes more widespread, and it just happened to come up now.
>>
>> I have removed those, and one called "Eric", in r31710. The JDeveloper
>> entry did contain a link named "Subversion plugin" but the linked page
>> didn't mention it, so it's not clear what its status is. If there still
>> is a separate plug-in it would be perfectly fine for somebody to
>> reinstate a link to it. (The entry was worded too much like an advert
>> for me to have much sympathy with it :-) .)
>>
>> I have also split up the section (in r31711) into four smaller
>> categories to make it easier to find the links one is interested in.
>
> Thanks for your answer Julian
>
> One last thing to discuss: it seems not clear yet for me, upon your and
> Karl's statements, the policy about the inclusion, given that they are a
> bit contradictory: Karl argues about not accepting programs that have
> SVN support (we could define them as anyone who calls svn client API,
> right?) but you seem more focused on having just a "module" for a
> program which is a client.
>
> Regarding your opinion, and not Karl's, MonoDevelop could also be
> included because:
> - It's based on add-ins (more or less the same as plugins).
> - It has a VersionControl add-in [1].
> - It has a Subversion add-in [2], which depends on the former.
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrés
>
> [1]
> http://anonsvn.mono-project.com/source/trunk/monodevelop/main/src/addins/VersionControl/MonoDevelop.VersionControl/
>
> [2]
> http://anonsvn.mono-project.com/source/trunk/monodevelop/main/src/addins/VersionControl/MonoDevelop.VersionControl.Subversion/
>
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Re: svn commit: r31639 - branches/issue-3000/www
Posted by "Andrés G. Aragoneses" <kn...@gmail.com>.
Julian Foad wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 10:40 +0200, "Andrés G. Aragoneses" wrote:
>> Karl Fogel wrote:
> [...]
>>> I'm not sure it makes sense for us to link to every IDE that has
>>> Subversion support, since huge numbers of them do these days. Instead,
> [...]
>
>> I am not going to argue about this: you have the policies that you want.
>> But the only thing I would say is: if you don't include MonoDevelop,
>> please drop also NetBeans, JDeveloper, etc. (just for consistency).
>
> You are right, of course, Andrés. Thank you for saying it politely. This
> decision was bound to come up sooner or later as support for Subversion
> becomes more widespread, and it just happened to come up now.
>
> I have removed those, and one called "Eric", in r31710. The JDeveloper
> entry did contain a link named "Subversion plugin" but the linked page
> didn't mention it, so it's not clear what its status is. If there still
> is a separate plug-in it would be perfectly fine for somebody to
> reinstate a link to it. (The entry was worded too much like an advert
> for me to have much sympathy with it :-) .)
>
> I have also split up the section (in r31711) into four smaller
> categories to make it easier to find the links one is interested in.
Thanks for your answer Julian
One last thing to discuss: it seems not clear yet for me, upon your and
Karl's statements, the policy about the inclusion, given that they are a
bit contradictory: Karl argues about not accepting programs that have
SVN support (we could define them as anyone who calls svn client API,
right?) but you seem more focused on having just a "module" for a
program which is a client.
Regarding your opinion, and not Karl's, MonoDevelop could also be
included because:
- It's based on add-ins (more or less the same as plugins).
- It has a VersionControl add-in [1].
- It has a Subversion add-in [2], which depends on the former.
Regards,
Andrés
[1]
http://anonsvn.mono-project.com/source/trunk/monodevelop/main/src/addins/VersionControl/MonoDevelop.VersionControl/
[2]
http://anonsvn.mono-project.com/source/trunk/monodevelop/main/src/addins/VersionControl/MonoDevelop.VersionControl.Subversion/
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Re: svn commit: r31639 - branches/issue-3000/www
Posted by Julian Foad <ju...@btopenworld.com>.
On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 10:40 +0200, "Andrés G. Aragoneses" wrote:
> Karl Fogel wrote:
[...]
> > I'm not sure it makes sense for us to link to every IDE that has
> > Subversion support, since huge numbers of them do these days. Instead,
[...]
> I am not going to argue about this: you have the policies that you want.
> But the only thing I would say is: if you don't include MonoDevelop,
> please drop also NetBeans, JDeveloper, etc. (just for consistency).
You are right, of course, Andrés. Thank you for saying it politely. This
decision was bound to come up sooner or later as support for Subversion
becomes more widespread, and it just happened to come up now.
I have removed those, and one called "Eric", in r31710. The JDeveloper
entry did contain a link named "Subversion plugin" but the linked page
didn't mention it, so it's not clear what its status is. If there still
is a separate plug-in it would be perfectly fine for somebody to
reinstate a link to it. (The entry was worded too much like an advert
for me to have much sympathy with it :-) .)
I have also split up the section (in r31711) into four smaller
categories to make it easier to find the links one is interested in.
- Julian
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Re: svn commit: r31639 - branches/issue-3000/www
Posted by "Andrés G. Aragoneses" <kn...@gmail.com>.
Karl Fogel wrote:
> "Andrés G. Aragoneses" <kn...@gmail.com> writes:
>> Daniel Shahaf wrote:
>>> Hyrum K. Wright wrote on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 at 08:07 -0700:
>>>> Is http://www.monodevelop.org/ live? I can't seem to connect to it, and I'm
>>>> not in favor of adding dead links to our site.
>>>>
>>> I can connect to it, and the front page seems live.
>> Yeah, casually it went down this morning but I've seen it working for
>> years (I'm a MonoDevelop contributor). So please, can someone commit?
>
> From what I can see, MonoDevelop is not Subversion-specific. It is "a
> free GNOME IDE primarily designed for C# and other .NET languages." I
> presume it has Subversion support -- the front page doesn't say -- but
> Subversion support is not what it's about. (Airplanes serve meals, but
> you don't book a flight just because you feel hungry.)
>
> I'm not sure it makes sense for us to link to every IDE that has
> Subversion support, since huge numbers of them do these days. Instead,
> we should link to Subversion-specific clients that a user might not
> otherwise have as part of their development environment. Just trying to
> keep the purpose of the links.html page in focus here.
I am not going to argue about this: you have the policies that you want.
But the only thing I would say is: if you don't include MonoDevelop,
please drop also NetBeans, JDeveloper, etc. (just for consistency).
Regards,
Andrés
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Re: svn commit: r31639 - branches/issue-3000/www
Posted by Karl Fogel <kf...@red-bean.com>.
"Andrés G. Aragoneses" <kn...@gmail.com> writes:
> Daniel Shahaf wrote:
>> Hyrum K. Wright wrote on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 at 08:07 -0700:
>>> Is http://www.monodevelop.org/ live? I can't seem to connect to it, and I'm
>>> not in favor of adding dead links to our site.
>>>
>>
>> I can connect to it, and the front page seems live.
>
> Yeah, casually it went down this morning but I've seen it working for
> years (I'm a MonoDevelop contributor). So please, can someone commit?
Re: svn commit: r31639 - branches/issue-3000/www
Posted by "Andrés G. Aragoneses" <kn...@gmail.com>.
Daniel Shahaf wrote:
> Hyrum K. Wright wrote on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 at 08:07 -0700:
>> Is http://www.monodevelop.org/ live? I can't seem to connect to it, and I'm
>> not in favor of adding dead links to our site.
>>
>
> I can connect to it, and the front page seems live.
Yeah, casually it went down this morning but I've seen it working for
years (I'm a MonoDevelop contributor). So please, can someone commit?
Thanks,
Andrés
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Re: svn commit: r31639 - branches/issue-3000/www
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.co.il>.
Hyrum K. Wright wrote on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 at 08:07 -0700:
> Is http://www.monodevelop.org/ live? I can't seem to connect to it, and I'm
> not in favor of adding dead links to our site.
>
I can connect to it, and the front page seems live.
> -Hyrum
>
>
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Re: svn commit: r31639 - branches/issue-3000/www
Posted by "Hyrum K. Wright" <hy...@mail.utexas.edu>.
Andrés G. Aragoneses wrote:
> Daniel Shahaf wrote:
>> Karl Fogel wrote on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 at 00:19 -0400:
>>> Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.co.il> writes:
>>>>> My feedback:
>>>>> I would add MonoDevelop's VersionControl Addin in the list of
>>>>> ThirdParty
>>>>> clients (the addin is normally bundled in the IDE itself).
>>>> Patches to links.html welcome.
>>> Though in this case, I have to say: I've literally never heard of that
>>> client. Maybe it's great, maybe millions of satisfied people around the
>>> world use it... But we're going to need to exercise some judgement about
>>> that front page.
>>
>> In case it wasn't clear originally: I completely agree, and that is
>> why suggested to add it to links.html rather than to the front page.
>
> Please find the patch attached.
>
> I will advocate for the inclusion in the front page when it reaches
> almost feature parity with TortoiseSVN :) (although that's a high point
> to reach)
Is http://www.monodevelop.org/ live? I can't seem to connect to it, and
I'm not in favor of adding dead links to our site.
-Hyrum
Re: svn commit: r31639 - branches/issue-3000/www
Posted by "Andrés G. Aragoneses" <kn...@gmail.com>.
Daniel Shahaf wrote:
> Karl Fogel wrote on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 at 00:19 -0400:
>> Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.co.il> writes:
>>>> My feedback:
>>>> I would add MonoDevelop's VersionControl Addin in the list of ThirdParty
>>>> clients (the addin is normally bundled in the IDE itself).
>>> Patches to links.html welcome.
>> Though in this case, I have to say: I've literally never heard of that
>> client. Maybe it's great, maybe millions of satisfied people around the
>> world use it... But we're going to need to exercise some judgement about
>> that front page.
>
> In case it wasn't clear originally: I completely agree, and that is why
> suggested to add it to links.html rather than to the front page.
Please find the patch attached.
I will advocate for the inclusion in the front page when it reaches
almost feature parity with TortoiseSVN :) (although that's a high point
to reach)
Regards,
Andrés
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Re: svn commit: r31639 - branches/issue-3000/www
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.co.il>.
Karl Fogel wrote on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 at 00:19 -0400:
> Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.co.il> writes:
> >> My feedback:
> >> I would add MonoDevelop's VersionControl Addin in the list of ThirdParty
> >> clients (the addin is normally bundled in the IDE itself).
> >
> > Patches to links.html welcome.
>
> Though in this case, I have to say: I've literally never heard of that
> client. Maybe it's great, maybe millions of satisfied people around the
> world use it... But we're going to need to exercise some judgement about
> that front page.
In case it wasn't clear originally: I completely agree, and that is why
suggested to add it to links.html rather than to the front page.
> I don't have any magic ideas for how to do that,
> except try to name clients that we see in widespread use.
>
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Re: svn commit: r31639 - branches/issue-3000/www
Posted by Karl Fogel <kf...@red-bean.com>.
Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.co.il> writes:
>> My feedback:
>> I would add MonoDevelop's VersionControl Addin in the list of ThirdParty
>> clients (the addin is normally bundled in the IDE itself).
>
> Patches to links.html welcome.
Though in this case, I have to say: I've literally never heard of that
client. Maybe it's great, maybe millions of satisfied people around the
world use it... But we're going to need to exercise some judgement about
that front page. I don't have any magic ideas for how to do that,
except try to name clients that we see in widespread use.
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Re: svn commit: r31639 - branches/issue-3000/www
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.co.il>.
"Andrés G. Aragoneses" wrote on Mon, 9 Jun 2008 at 21:10 +0200:
> Karl Fogel wrote:
> > Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.co.il> writes:
> > > +1, though I suggest a comment on index.html inviting feedback as the page
> > > is being rewritten.
> >
> > Oh, we'll get feedback anyway, probably more than we know what to do
> > with. I think such a link isn't necessary, and I'd feel funny putting a
> > "draft" notice on our live site. Most people already know that feedback
> > is always welcome.
>
> My feedback:
> I would add MonoDevelop's VersionControl Addin in the list of ThirdParty
> clients (the addin is normally bundled in the IDE itself).
>
Patches to links.html welcome.
> Regards,
>
> Andrés
>
>
Re: svn commit: r31639 - branches/issue-3000/www
Posted by "Andrés G. Aragoneses" <kn...@gmail.com>.
Karl Fogel wrote:
> Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.co.il> writes:
>> +1, though I suggest a comment on index.html inviting feedback as the
>> page is being rewritten.
>
> Oh, we'll get feedback anyway, probably more than we know what to do
> with. I think such a link isn't necessary, and I'd feel funny putting a
> "draft" notice on our live site. Most people already know that feedback
> is always welcome.
My feedback:
I would add MonoDevelop's VersionControl Addin in the list of ThirdParty
clients (the addin is normally bundled in the IDE itself).
Regards,
Andrés
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Re: svn commit: r31639 - branches/issue-3000/www
Posted by Karl Fogel <kf...@red-bean.com>.
Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.co.il> writes:
> +1, though I suggest a comment on index.html inviting feedback as the
> page is being rewritten.
Oh, we'll get feedback anyway, probably more than we know what to do
with. I think such a link isn't necessary, and I'd feel funny putting a
"draft" notice on our live site. Most people already know that feedback
is always welcome.
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Re: svn commit: r31639 - branches/issue-3000/www
Posted by Stefan Sperling <st...@elego.de>.
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 09:58:08AM +0300, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
> Karl Fogel wrote on Mon, 9 Jun 2008 at 01:12 -0400:
> > kfogel@tigris.org writes:
> > > Log:
> > > On the issue-3000-dev branch:
> > >
> > > Completely revamp the web site, using the plan in README.branch.
> > >
> > > This is a draft; severe bikeshedding both desired and expected :-).
>
> (the draft is online at
> http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/branches/issue-3000/www/index.html)
lol
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Then, please read the bug report instructions.
Finally, please read the bug report instructions.
That totally has to go live! :D
Stefan
Re: svn commit: r31639 - branches/issue-3000/www
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.co.il>.
Karl Fogel wrote on Mon, 9 Jun 2008 at 01:12 -0400:
> kfogel@tigris.org writes:
> > Log:
> > On the issue-3000-dev branch:
> >
> > Completely revamp the web site, using the plan in README.branch.
> >
> > This is a draft; severe bikeshedding both desired and expected :-).
(the draft is online at
http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/branches/issue-3000/www/index.html)
>
> I'd like to make this be the live web site, and work on it in trunk from
> this point on. (I might tweak/reduce the left-side vertical nav bar
> first, but that's easy.)
>
> Any objections? It's far from perfect, but I think it's already better
> than what what's live right now.
>
+1, though I suggest a comment on index.html inviting feedback as the
page is being rewritten.
> -Karl
>
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