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Posted to dev@storm.apache.org by Bobby Evans <ev...@yahoo-inc.com.INVALID> on 2017/07/20 14:29:55 UTC
Re: The #storm-user IRC channel
Moving to the dev mailing list as it is more than just the PMC that provides support for storm.
- Bobby
On Wednesday, July 19, 2017, 6:27:12 PM CDT, Hugo Louro <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
The first question is, do we want to provide chat support? It has the pro of being more interactive, but the con of making info more disperse.
If the decision is to go with having an official chat, one can evaluate if there are better chat and/or more integrated alternatives, e.g Gitter.
Thanks,Hugo
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Kyle Nusbaum <kn...@yahoo-inc.com> wrote:
We've had a #storm-user channel on Freenode forever, but we seem to have almost totally abandoned it. We still direct users there on our website: http://storm.apache.org/ getting-help.html but the information found in the channel is terribly out of date and incorrect.
I peek in there every once in a while, and users frequently show up with questions. Probably many are going unanswered. I wonder if it makes our project seem a little dead if the help channel we list on our web page is so out of date and inactive.
Currently Nathan is the only user with permission to change anything. I think we should either update the info on the channel and maybe try and do something with it, or remove it from the website.
Thanks,
-- Kyle
Re: The #storm-user IRC channel
Posted by Jungtaek Lim <ka...@gmail.com>.
I think removing IRC channel got enough votes which we could treat it as
having consensus.
For reaching out a person 1 by 1 anything they prefer would be OK, but if
my understanding is right, if there're some decisions derived from there,
decisions and summary of context should be shared to the ASF infra.
Jungtaek Lim (HeartSaVioR)
2017년 10월 12일 (목) 오전 8:01, Hugo Da Cruz Louro <hl...@hortonworks.com>님이 작성:
> Hi,
>
> I believe that we never reached a consensus on this thread. Can we make a
> decision on this ?
>
> I have changed my position to NOT support a channel at all. The reason is
> because all the user/dev discussion should go through the email list, and
> it is very easy to reach out to a particular contributor/committer using
> Gitter if it is necessary to have a more interactive discussion. Anyone
> with GitHub can use that account to login to Gitter. It is just a matter of
> coordinating with the contributor one is trying to chat with.
>
> Currently the voting status is as follows:
>
> Action votes
> voters(optional)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Add Gitter 2 Satish
> Remove IRC 6 Taylor,
> Bobby, Kyle, Hugo, Satish, Jungtaek
> Do not support channel 1 Hugo
>
> Thanks,
> Hugo
>
> > On Jul 21, 2017, at 4:31 AM, Satish Duggana <sd...@hortonworks.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > +1 to remove IRC channel. Slacck channel seems to be kind of closed and
> everybody needs to be added and conversations are not open to public
> without being member of that channel. Gitter is open and we can explore
> gitter if we really want to have a live channel communication for users.
> >
> > ~Satish.
> >
> > On 7/20/17, 8:28 PM, "Jungtaek Lim" <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I don't see the benefit of keeping IRC channel for users, so OK to
> remove
> > it from anywhere in Storm site or code repo.
> >
> > Btw, Apache Beam maintains Slack channel but it's likely for
> contributors
> > and committers. Personally I like the approach, but in order to make
> this
> > successful, many of us need to tolerate having one more interactive
> > (ping-able) channel. If they're dedicated to Storm project it doesn't
> > matter, but if not it might really matter.
> >
> > - Jungtaek Lim (HeartSaVioR)
> >
> > 2017년 7월 20일 (목) 오후 11:30, Bobby Evans <ev...@yahoo-inc.com>님이 작성:
> >
> >> Moving to the dev mailing list as it is more than just the PMC that
> >> provides support for storm.
> >>
> >>
> >> - Bobby
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, July 19, 2017, 6:27:12 PM CDT, Hugo Louro <
> >> hmclouro@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> The first question is, do we want to provide chat support? It has the
> pro
> >> of being more interactive, but the con of making info more disperse.
> >>
> >> If the decision is to go with having an official chat, one can evaluate
> if
> >> there are better chat and/or more integrated alternatives, e.g Gitter
> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitter>.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Hugo
> >> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Kyle Nusbaum <kn...@yahoo-inc.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> We've had a #storm-user channel on Freenode forever, but we seem to have
> >> almost totally abandoned it. We still direct users there on our
> website: http://storm.apache.org/
> >> getting-help.html <http://storm.apache.org/getting-help.html> but the
> >> information found in the channel is terribly out of date and incorrect.
> >>
> >>
> >> I peek in there every once in a while, and users frequently show up with
> >> questions. Probably many are going unanswered. I wonder if it makes our
> >> project seem a little dead if the help channel we list on our web page
> is
> >> so out of date and inactive.
> >>
> >> Currently Nathan is the only user with permission to change anything. I
> >> think we should either update the info on the channel and maybe try and
> do
> >> something with it, or remove it from the website.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> -- Kyle
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
Re: The #storm-user IRC channel
Posted by Hugo Da Cruz Louro <hl...@hortonworks.com>.
Hi,
I believe that we never reached a consensus on this thread. Can we make a decision on this ?
I have changed my position to NOT support a channel at all. The reason is because all the user/dev discussion should go through the email list, and it is very easy to reach out to a particular contributor/committer using Gitter if it is necessary to have a more interactive discussion. Anyone with GitHub can use that account to login to Gitter. It is just a matter of coordinating with the contributor one is trying to chat with.
Currently the voting status is as follows:
Action votes voters(optional)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Add Gitter 2 Satish
Remove IRC 6 Taylor, Bobby, Kyle, Hugo, Satish, Jungtaek
Do not support channel 1 Hugo
Thanks,
Hugo
> On Jul 21, 2017, at 4:31 AM, Satish Duggana <sd...@hortonworks.com> wrote:
>
> +1 to remove IRC channel. Slacck channel seems to be kind of closed and everybody needs to be added and conversations are not open to public without being member of that channel. Gitter is open and we can explore gitter if we really want to have a live channel communication for users.
>
> ~Satish.
>
> On 7/20/17, 8:28 PM, "Jungtaek Lim" <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't see the benefit of keeping IRC channel for users, so OK to remove
> it from anywhere in Storm site or code repo.
>
> Btw, Apache Beam maintains Slack channel but it's likely for contributors
> and committers. Personally I like the approach, but in order to make this
> successful, many of us need to tolerate having one more interactive
> (ping-able) channel. If they're dedicated to Storm project it doesn't
> matter, but if not it might really matter.
>
> - Jungtaek Lim (HeartSaVioR)
>
> 2017년 7월 20일 (목) 오후 11:30, Bobby Evans <ev...@yahoo-inc.com>님이 작성:
>
>> Moving to the dev mailing list as it is more than just the PMC that
>> provides support for storm.
>>
>>
>> - Bobby
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2017, 6:27:12 PM CDT, Hugo Louro <
>> hmclouro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The first question is, do we want to provide chat support? It has the pro
>> of being more interactive, but the con of making info more disperse.
>>
>> If the decision is to go with having an official chat, one can evaluate if
>> there are better chat and/or more integrated alternatives, e.g Gitter
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitter>.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Hugo
>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Kyle Nusbaum <kn...@yahoo-inc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> We've had a #storm-user channel on Freenode forever, but we seem to have
>> almost totally abandoned it. We still direct users there on our website: http://storm.apache.org/
>> getting-help.html <http://storm.apache.org/getting-help.html> but the
>> information found in the channel is terribly out of date and incorrect.
>>
>>
>> I peek in there every once in a while, and users frequently show up with
>> questions. Probably many are going unanswered. I wonder if it makes our
>> project seem a little dead if the help channel we list on our web page is
>> so out of date and inactive.
>>
>> Currently Nathan is the only user with permission to change anything. I
>> think we should either update the info on the channel and maybe try and do
>> something with it, or remove it from the website.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -- Kyle
>>
>>
>
>
Re: The #storm-user IRC channel
Posted by Satish Duggana <sd...@hortonworks.com>.
+1 to remove IRC channel. Slacck channel seems to be kind of closed and everybody needs to be added and conversations are not open to public without being member of that channel. Gitter is open and we can explore gitter if we really want to have a live channel communication for users.
~Satish.
On 7/20/17, 8:28 PM, "Jungtaek Lim" <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't see the benefit of keeping IRC channel for users, so OK to remove
it from anywhere in Storm site or code repo.
Btw, Apache Beam maintains Slack channel but it's likely for contributors
and committers. Personally I like the approach, but in order to make this
successful, many of us need to tolerate having one more interactive
(ping-able) channel. If they're dedicated to Storm project it doesn't
matter, but if not it might really matter.
- Jungtaek Lim (HeartSaVioR)
2017년 7월 20일 (목) 오후 11:30, Bobby Evans <ev...@yahoo-inc.com>님이 작성:
> Moving to the dev mailing list as it is more than just the PMC that
> provides support for storm.
>
>
> - Bobby
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2017, 6:27:12 PM CDT, Hugo Louro <
> hmclouro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> The first question is, do we want to provide chat support? It has the pro
> of being more interactive, but the con of making info more disperse.
>
> If the decision is to go with having an official chat, one can evaluate if
> there are better chat and/or more integrated alternatives, e.g Gitter
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitter>.
>
> Thanks,
> Hugo
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Kyle Nusbaum <kn...@yahoo-inc.com>
> wrote:
>
> We've had a #storm-user channel on Freenode forever, but we seem to have
> almost totally abandoned it. We still direct users there on our website: http://storm.apache.org/
> getting-help.html <http://storm.apache.org/getting-help.html> but the
> information found in the channel is terribly out of date and incorrect.
>
>
> I peek in there every once in a while, and users frequently show up with
> questions. Probably many are going unanswered. I wonder if it makes our
> project seem a little dead if the help channel we list on our web page is
> so out of date and inactive.
>
> Currently Nathan is the only user with permission to change anything. I
> think we should either update the info on the channel and maybe try and do
> something with it, or remove it from the website.
>
> Thanks,
> -- Kyle
>
>
Re: The #storm-user IRC channel
Posted by Hugo Da Cruz Louro <hl...@hortonworks.com>.
+1 removing links to IRC channel.
> On Jul 20, 2017, at 9:27 AM, Bobby Evans <ev...@yahoo-inc.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> I agree if it is not being use then lets remove it.
>
>
> - Bobby
>
>
> On Thursday, July 20, 2017, 9:57:57 AM CDT, Jungtaek Lim <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't see the benefit of keeping IRC channel for users, so OK to remove
> it from anywhere in Storm site or code repo.
>
> Btw, Apache Beam maintains Slack channel but it's likely for contributors
> and committers. Personally I like the approach, but in order to make this
> successful, many of us need to tolerate having one more interactive
> (ping-able) channel. If they're dedicated to Storm project it doesn't
> matter, but if not it might really matter.
>
> - Jungtaek Lim (HeartSaVioR)
>
> 2017년 7월 20일 (목) 오후 11:30, Bobby Evans <ev...@yahoo-inc.com>님이 작성:
>
>> Moving to the dev mailing list as it is more than just the PMC that
>> provides support for storm.
>>
>>
>> - Bobby
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2017, 6:27:12 PM CDT, Hugo Louro <
>> hmclouro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The first question is, do we want to provide chat support? It has the pro
>> of being more interactive, but the con of making info more disperse.
>>
>> If the decision is to go with having an official chat, one can evaluate if
>> there are better chat and/or more integrated alternatives, e.g Gitter
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitter>.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Hugo
>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Kyle Nusbaum <kn...@yahoo-inc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> We've had a #storm-user channel on Freenode forever, but we seem to have
>> almost totally abandoned it. We still direct users there on our website: http://storm.apache.org/
>> getting-help.html <http://storm.apache.org/getting-help.html> but the
>> information found in the channel is terribly out of date and incorrect.
>>
>>
>> I peek in there every once in a while, and users frequently show up with
>> questions. Probably many are going unanswered. I wonder if it makes our
>> project seem a little dead if the help channel we list on our web page is
>> so out of date and inactive.
>>
>> Currently Nathan is the only user with permission to change anything. I
>> think we should either update the info on the channel and maybe try and do
>> something with it, or remove it from the website.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -- Kyle
>>
Re: The #storm-user IRC channel
Posted by Bobby Evans <ev...@yahoo-inc.com.INVALID>.
I agree if it is not being use then lets remove it.
- Bobby
On Thursday, July 20, 2017, 9:57:57 AM CDT, Jungtaek Lim <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't see the benefit of keeping IRC channel for users, so OK to remove
it from anywhere in Storm site or code repo.
Btw, Apache Beam maintains Slack channel but it's likely for contributors
and committers. Personally I like the approach, but in order to make this
successful, many of us need to tolerate having one more interactive
(ping-able) channel. If they're dedicated to Storm project it doesn't
matter, but if not it might really matter.
- Jungtaek Lim (HeartSaVioR)
2017년 7월 20일 (목) 오후 11:30, Bobby Evans <ev...@yahoo-inc.com>님이 작성:
> Moving to the dev mailing list as it is more than just the PMC that
> provides support for storm.
>
>
> - Bobby
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2017, 6:27:12 PM CDT, Hugo Louro <
> hmclouro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> The first question is, do we want to provide chat support? It has the pro
> of being more interactive, but the con of making info more disperse.
>
> If the decision is to go with having an official chat, one can evaluate if
> there are better chat and/or more integrated alternatives, e.g Gitter
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitter>.
>
> Thanks,
> Hugo
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Kyle Nusbaum <kn...@yahoo-inc.com>
> wrote:
>
> We've had a #storm-user channel on Freenode forever, but we seem to have
> almost totally abandoned it. We still direct users there on our website: http://storm.apache.org/
> getting-help.html <http://storm.apache.org/getting-help.html> but the
> information found in the channel is terribly out of date and incorrect.
>
>
> I peek in there every once in a while, and users frequently show up with
> questions. Probably many are going unanswered. I wonder if it makes our
> project seem a little dead if the help channel we list on our web page is
> so out of date and inactive.
>
> Currently Nathan is the only user with permission to change anything. I
> think we should either update the info on the channel and maybe try and do
> something with it, or remove it from the website.
>
> Thanks,
> -- Kyle
>
>
Re: The #storm-user IRC channel
Posted by Jungtaek Lim <ka...@gmail.com>.
I don't see the benefit of keeping IRC channel for users, so OK to remove
it from anywhere in Storm site or code repo.
Btw, Apache Beam maintains Slack channel but it's likely for contributors
and committers. Personally I like the approach, but in order to make this
successful, many of us need to tolerate having one more interactive
(ping-able) channel. If they're dedicated to Storm project it doesn't
matter, but if not it might really matter.
- Jungtaek Lim (HeartSaVioR)
2017년 7월 20일 (목) 오후 11:30, Bobby Evans <ev...@yahoo-inc.com>님이 작성:
> Moving to the dev mailing list as it is more than just the PMC that
> provides support for storm.
>
>
> - Bobby
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2017, 6:27:12 PM CDT, Hugo Louro <
> hmclouro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> The first question is, do we want to provide chat support? It has the pro
> of being more interactive, but the con of making info more disperse.
>
> If the decision is to go with having an official chat, one can evaluate if
> there are better chat and/or more integrated alternatives, e.g Gitter
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitter>.
>
> Thanks,
> Hugo
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Kyle Nusbaum <kn...@yahoo-inc.com>
> wrote:
>
> We've had a #storm-user channel on Freenode forever, but we seem to have
> almost totally abandoned it. We still direct users there on our website: http://storm.apache.org/
> getting-help.html <http://storm.apache.org/getting-help.html> but the
> information found in the channel is terribly out of date and incorrect.
>
>
> I peek in there every once in a while, and users frequently show up with
> questions. Probably many are going unanswered. I wonder if it makes our
> project seem a little dead if the help channel we list on our web page is
> so out of date and inactive.
>
> Currently Nathan is the only user with permission to change anything. I
> think we should either update the info on the channel and maybe try and do
> something with it, or remove it from the website.
>
> Thanks,
> -- Kyle
>
>