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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by 申远 <sh...@gmail.com> on 2019/11/01 02:33:18 UTC
Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Hi, Justin.
After serious thinking these days, I decided to withindraw the graduation
vote. We need spend more time in Incubator, this graduation vote is a
little hurry.
I admitted your concerns about diverse and independent community have some
points, Weex still needs to impove in this apsect.
For branding part, I have some reservations about it, but I will see what I
can do to make things better.
Is there any other concerns you have about Weex towards graduation ?
FYI: Weex needs more active mentors, if possible. That would denifitely
help.
Best Regards,
YorkShen
申远
ซ่อยค่อย ลืมเขาแน่ <09...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午9:20写道：
> เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2019 7:52 PM "申远" <sh...@gmail.com> เขียนว่า
>
> > FYI: If the initial committers really matter, maybe we could ask
> secretary
> > to help us find out how many individuals signed the ICLA when Weex
> entered
> > the Incubator.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > YorkShen
> >
> > 申远
> >
> >
> > ซ่อยค่อย ลืมเขาแน่ <09...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午8:35写道：
> >
> > > เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2019 7:16 PM "申远" <sh...@gmail.com> เขียนว่า
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The PPMC needs to protect their brand in particular from their own
> > > > company.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Agree with that, and this is exactly why I am persuading project like
> > > > Weex-UI [1] donated to ASF instead of making them changing their name
> > to
> > > > "XXX powered by Apache Weex" and then pretend there is no problem.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone on the Initial list are committers I assume you mean they see
> > not
> > > > > contributing?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > No, some [2] of them are never committers of Weex according to our
> > > whimsy.
> > > > For example, the top 2 names on the initial developer list are not
> > > > committers of Weex according to whimsy and they didn't contribute, of
> > > > course. Some of other names, like me, are also on the initial
> developer
> > > > list, but I was actually elected as Weex committer four months after
> it
> > > > into incubator. There is a vote for nominating me as a Weex committer
> > > [3].
> > > > I don't know what happened here, as I am not the initial committer in
> > > fact.
> > > > But the initial developer list [2] is incorrect, I'm sure about that.
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ab1cdf009697ac261e10c8963ed9ad
> > > > fe226edeee056f0c7dabb780c0@%3Cdev.weex.apache.org%3E
> > > > [2]
> > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b53537fea384f1d75c9921f71e13d1
> > > > 7780381504cff971e5f18bda96@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> > > > [3]
> > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/8ebbd2fb5fb85c1da4328685859ae1
> > > > bb365a8b6253772c9e06940a39@%3Cprivate.weex.apache.org%3E
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > > YorkShen
> > > >
> > > > 申远
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Justin Mclean <ju...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午7:32写道：
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > It seems like there are two concerns around Weex, branding and
> > > > independent
> > > > > > community.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd still like to hear what your mentors think. Are they active?
> > > > >
> > > > > For branding part, I understand this is a serious issue, and it
> takes
> > > me
> > > > > > months to solve this kinds of issues
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This needs to be the PPMC not just you. I chose some of those links
> > on
> > > > > purpose as they belong to the company they belong to. The PPMC
> needs
> > to
> > > > > protect their brand in particular from their own company.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Though there are 13 committers according to the initial
> proposal
> > > > [5],
> > > > > > but many of them are not committers today.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone on the Initial list are committers I assume you mean they
> see
> > > not
> > > > > contributing?
> > > > >
> > > > > Just take the committers on the initial proposal as an inacurrate
> > > > records,
> > > > > > there are some mistakes on this list.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This seems concerning.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - There are developers out of the comany make their own tools
> > > around
> > > > > > Weex
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Which is great but they are external to the project. Whats the
> > barriers
> > > > (if
> > > > > any) that stopped them from doing this development inside the
> > project?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Justin
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by 申远 <sh...@gmail.com>.
Hi, Dave and Justin.
Thanks to both of you, I‘m really appreciated your help.
Just have a nice conversation with Dave, I think Weex still needs to be in
the Incubator for some time.
I replied earlier in the thread, but the response from Weex really should
> be to complete a Podling Name Search -
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html <
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html>
>
I will do it and discuss it in another mailing list, as this list is too
long already.
At ApacheCon Shane gavse a version of this talk which also may help:
> http://shaneslides.com/fossbackstage/Who-Owns-That-FOSS-Brand.pdf
>
Thanks, Justin, this talk really taught me something, I really wish I could
read it years before.
Best Regards
York Shen
申远
Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>于2019年11月1日 周五11:28写道：
> Hi YorkShen,
>
> > On Nov 1, 2019, at 10:33 AM, 申远 <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Justin.
> >
> > After serious thinking these days, I decided to withindraw the graduation
> > vote. We need spend more time in Incubator, this graduation vote is a
> > little hurry.
> >
> > I admitted your concerns about diverse and independent community have
> some
> > points, Weex still needs to impove in this apsect.
> >
> > For branding part, I have some reservations about it, but I will see
> what I
> > can do to make things better.
>
> I replied earlier in the thread, but the response from Weex really should
> be to complete a Podling Name Search -
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html <
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html>
>
> An issue is created here -
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/PODLINGNAMESEARCH <
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/PODLINGNAMESEARCH>
>
> Someone on the Podling needs to do the research which should reveal any
> conflicts. The VP, Brand will approve or ask questions. It may be that some
> of these issues may require discussion about brand risk. Until the research
> is complete it is hard to know.
>
> The Board is unlikely to approve graduation without the brand name being
> approved by the VP, Brand.
>
> >
> > Is there any other concerns you have about Weex towards graduation ?
>
> These are the two. They are important. You are to be congratulated for
> overcoming the LGPL issue!
> >
> > FYI: Weex needs more active mentors, if possible. That would denifitely
> > help.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > YorkShen
> >
> > 申远
> >
> >
> > ซ่อยค่อย ลืมเขาแน่ <09...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午9:20写道：
> >
> >> เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2019 7:52 PM "申远" <sh...@gmail.com> เขียนว่า
> >>
> >>> FYI: If the initial committers really matter, maybe we could ask
> >> secretary
> >>> to help us find out how many individuals signed the ICLA when Weex
> >> entered
> >>> the Incubator.
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>> YorkShen
> >>>
> >>> 申远
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ซ่อยค่อย ลืมเขาแน่ <09...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午8:35写道：
> >>>
> >>>> เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2019 7:16 PM "申远" <sh...@gmail.com> เขียนว่า
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The PPMC needs to protect their brand in particular from their own
> >>>>> company.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Agree with that, and this is exactly why I am persuading project like
> >>>>> Weex-UI [1] donated to ASF instead of making them changing their name
> >>> to
> >>>>> "XXX powered by Apache Weex" and then pretend there is no problem.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyone on the Initial list are committers I assume you mean they see
> >>> not
> >>>>>> contributing?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No, some [2] of them are never committers of Weex according to our
> >>>> whimsy.
> >>>>> For example, the top 2 names on the initial developer list are not
> >>>>> committers of Weex according to whimsy and they didn't contribute, of
> >>>>> course. Some of other names, like me, are also on the initial
> >> developer
> >>>>> list, but I was actually elected as Weex committer four months after
> >> it
> >>>>> into incubator. There is a vote for nominating me as a Weex committer
> >>>> [3].
> >>>>> I don't know what happened here, as I am not the initial committer in
> >>>> fact.
> >>>>> But the initial developer list [2] is incorrect, I'm sure about that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1]
> >>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ab1cdf009697ac261e10c8963ed9ad
> >>>>> fe226edeee056f0c7dabb780c0@%3Cdev.weex.apache.org%3E
> >>>>> [2]
> >>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b53537fea384f1d75c9921f71e13d1
> >>>>> 7780381504cff971e5f18bda96@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> >>>>> [3]
> >>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/8ebbd2fb5fb85c1da4328685859ae1
> >>>>> bb365a8b6253772c9e06940a39@%3Cprivate.weex.apache.org%3E
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best Regards,
> >>>>> YorkShen
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 申远
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Justin Mclean <ju...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午7:32写道：
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It seems like there are two concerns around Weex, branding and
> >>>>> independent
> >>>>>>> community.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'd still like to hear what your mentors think. Are they active?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For branding part, I understand this is a serious issue, and it
> >> takes
> >>>> me
> >>>>>>> months to solve this kinds of issues
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This needs to be the PPMC not just you. I chose some of those links
> >>> on
> >>>>>> purpose as they belong to the company they belong to. The PPMC
> >> needs
> >>> to
> >>>>>> protect their brand in particular from their own company.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - Though there are 13 committers according to the initial
> >> proposal
> >>>>> [5],
> >>>>>>> but many of them are not committers today.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyone on the Initial list are committers I assume you mean they
> >> see
> >>>> not
> >>>>>> contributing?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just take the committers on the initial proposal as an inacurrate
> >>>>> records,
> >>>>>>> there are some mistakes on this list.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This seems concerning.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> - There are developers out of the comany make their own tools
> >>>> around
> >>>>>>> Weex
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Which is great but they are external to the project. Whats the
> >>> barriers
> >>>>> (if
> >>>>>> any) that stopped them from doing this development inside the
> >>> project?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Justin
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
>
> --
Best Regards
York Shen
申远
Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
Hi YorkShen,
> On Nov 1, 2019, at 10:33 AM, 申远 <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, Justin.
>
> After serious thinking these days, I decided to withindraw the graduation
> vote. We need spend more time in Incubator, this graduation vote is a
> little hurry.
>
> I admitted your concerns about diverse and independent community have some
> points, Weex still needs to impove in this apsect.
>
> For branding part, I have some reservations about it, but I will see what I
> can do to make things better.
I replied earlier in the thread, but the response from Weex really should be to complete a Podling Name Search - https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html>
An issue is created here - https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/PODLINGNAMESEARCH <https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/PODLINGNAMESEARCH>
Someone on the Podling needs to do the research which should reveal any conflicts. The VP, Brand will approve or ask questions. It may be that some of these issues may require discussion about brand risk. Until the research is complete it is hard to know.
The Board is unlikely to approve graduation without the brand name being approved by the VP, Brand.
>
> Is there any other concerns you have about Weex towards graduation ?
These are the two. They are important. You are to be congratulated for overcoming the LGPL issue!
>
> FYI: Weex needs more active mentors, if possible. That would denifitely
> help.
Regards,
Dave
>
> Best Regards,
> YorkShen
>
> 申远
>
>
> ซ่อยค่อย ลืมเขาแน่ <09...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午9:20写道：
>
>> เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2019 7:52 PM "申远" <sh...@gmail.com> เขียนว่า
>>
>>> FYI: If the initial committers really matter, maybe we could ask
>> secretary
>>> to help us find out how many individuals signed the ICLA when Weex
>> entered
>>> the Incubator.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> YorkShen
>>>
>>> 申远
>>>
>>>
>>> ซ่อยค่อย ลืมเขาแน่ <09...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午8:35写道：
>>>
>>>> เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2019 7:16 PM "申远" <sh...@gmail.com> เขียนว่า
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The PPMC needs to protect their brand in particular from their own
>>>>> company.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Agree with that, and this is exactly why I am persuading project like
>>>>> Weex-UI [1] donated to ASF instead of making them changing their name
>>> to
>>>>> "XXX powered by Apache Weex" and then pretend there is no problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone on the Initial list are committers I assume you mean they see
>>> not
>>>>>> contributing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, some [2] of them are never committers of Weex according to our
>>>> whimsy.
>>>>> For example, the top 2 names on the initial developer list are not
>>>>> committers of Weex according to whimsy and they didn't contribute, of
>>>>> course. Some of other names, like me, are also on the initial
>> developer
>>>>> list, but I was actually elected as Weex committer four months after
>> it
>>>>> into incubator. There is a vote for nominating me as a Weex committer
>>>> [3].
>>>>> I don't know what happened here, as I am not the initial committer in
>>>> fact.
>>>>> But the initial developer list [2] is incorrect, I'm sure about that.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ab1cdf009697ac261e10c8963ed9ad
>>>>> fe226edeee056f0c7dabb780c0@%3Cdev.weex.apache.org%3E
>>>>> [2]
>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b53537fea384f1d75c9921f71e13d1
>>>>> 7780381504cff971e5f18bda96@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
>>>>> [3]
>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/8ebbd2fb5fb85c1da4328685859ae1
>>>>> bb365a8b6253772c9e06940a39@%3Cprivate.weex.apache.org%3E
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> YorkShen
>>>>>
>>>>> 申远
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Justin Mclean <ju...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午7:32写道：
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems like there are two concerns around Weex, branding and
>>>>> independent
>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd still like to hear what your mentors think. Are they active?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For branding part, I understand this is a serious issue, and it
>> takes
>>>> me
>>>>>>> months to solve this kinds of issues
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This needs to be the PPMC not just you. I chose some of those links
>>> on
>>>>>> purpose as they belong to the company they belong to. The PPMC
>> needs
>>> to
>>>>>> protect their brand in particular from their own company.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Though there are 13 committers according to the initial
>> proposal
>>>>> [5],
>>>>>>> but many of them are not committers today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone on the Initial list are committers I assume you mean they
>> see
>>>> not
>>>>>> contributing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just take the committers on the initial proposal as an inacurrate
>>>>> records,
>>>>>>> there are some mistakes on this list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This seems concerning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - There are developers out of the comany make their own tools
>>>> around
>>>>>>> Weex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is great but they are external to the project. Whats the
>>> barriers
>>>>> (if
>>>>>> any) that stopped them from doing this development inside the
>>> project?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>