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Posted to dev@geronimo.apache.org by Paul McMahan <pa...@gmail.com> on 2006/08/24 19:01:10 UTC
Re: [CONSENSUS] Default plugin site (was Re: Frustrations of a Release Manager)
Hey folks. This thread about Geronimo plugin sites has been inactive
for a while, but during that discussion I made a suggestion that it
would be great if Geronimo could provide a plugin site like Eclipse
provides at Eclipse Plugin Central. This Eclipse plugin site is not a
plugin "repository" per se but more like a community building site
with discussion forums and system for reviewing and rating plugins.
The actual plugins are hosted elsewhere and their download location is
referenced from the plugin articles. The Eclipse plugin site is
operated and governed by the Eclipse Foundation.
I was really excited about creating this type of site for Geronimo
since I think it would be a great compliment to sites like
geronimoplugins.com and it would really help involve/motivate the
Geronimo development community at large. So I purchased the domain
name geronimoplugincentral.org to match the format of the Eclipse
plugin site and got some advice from the Eclipse guys on how to create
and run a community site.
Now I have a rough working version of the Geronimo plugin community
site available at http://geronimoplugincentral.org/ that I would love
to get your feedback on. It is definitely a work in progress and has
lots of rough edges, but I hope it gets across the main idea of what
can be accomplished with some further work and direction from the
Geronimo community. Like the Eclipse plugin site it has a plugin
discussion forum and a plugin directory where plugins can be reviewed
and rated by the community.
With Bruce Snyder's help I offered to donate the
geronimoplugincentral.org domain name to ASF last June but haven't
heard back from infra@ on that yet. If there's general agreement in
the Geronimo community that this site is (or can be) A Good Thing then
I would like to offer full ownership and operational control of this
site to the Geronimo PMC. I'm also ready/willing to migrate the site
onto ASF hardware if that's desirable (although I'm not sure how they
would react to MySQL and Joomla :-).
Of course I am also volunteering my time to finish setting up the site
and to help administer it when its ready for the masses. Hernan
created the look and feel for the site based on the work he did in the
Geronimo website and wiki, and has volunteered to help keep the
content organized. I'm sure he would love to get your feedback on the
look and feel, graphics, etc ;-)
Looking forward to your feedback.
Paul
On 6/19/06, Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org> wrote:
> +1 great idea Paul.
>
> Paul McMahan wrote:
> > There's an interesting plugin site for eclipse at
> > eclipseplugincentral.com that implements some of the ideas we have
> > discussed. It provides a directory of plugins but not the actual
> > files themselves, pointing elsewhere for the purchase/download. It
> > also provides a rating system, news page, and discussion forums. IMHO
> > the geronimo project should strive to provide this type of site for
> > building a healthy commercial and open source community around
> > geronimo plugins.
> >
> > The domain names "geronimoplugincentral.com" and
> > "geronimoplugincentral.org" were available and match the form used by
> > "eclipseplugincentral.com" so I purchased them and would like to
> > donate them to the ASF. How can I do that? Just send a note to
> > infrastructure@apache.org?
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > On 6/14/06, David Blevins <da...@visi.com> wrote:
> >> Everyone, please read and ACK.
> >>
> >> On Jun 14, 2006, at 4:31 PM, John Sisson wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hiram, I care if a private or commercial entity has control over
> >> > the default option.
> >>
> >> I think Hiram does too, he just a read a little too fast. His
> >> thoughts are clear though.
> >>
> >> On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote:
> >> > All I'm saying is I don't care if IBM puts up
> >> > http://www.ibm.com/wasce/plugins, I also don't care if you put up a
> >> > http://virtuas.com/geronimo/plugins site.
> >> >
> >> > Now the default link issue is something else. Can we point it by
> >> > default at some Apache machines by default? I'm sure Aaron would not
> >> > mind, would you?
> >>
> >> That pretty much sums it up for me. Aaron seems to agree. In fact,
> >> is there anyone out there who doesn't agree?
> >>
> >> -David
> >>
> >>
>
Re: [CONSENSUS] Default plugin site (was Re: Frustrations of a Release Manager)
Posted by Sachin Patel <sp...@gmail.com>.
I can probably get you a contact from the Eclipse folks who run the
Eclipse Plugin Central site, if you need/want any ideas, or answers
to questions.
On Aug 24, 2006, at 1:01 PM, Paul McMahan wrote:
> Hey folks. This thread about Geronimo plugin sites has been inactive
> for a while, but during that discussion I made a suggestion that it
> would be great if Geronimo could provide a plugin site like Eclipse
> provides at Eclipse Plugin Central. This Eclipse plugin site is not a
> plugin "repository" per se but more like a community building site
> with discussion forums and system for reviewing and rating plugins.
> The actual plugins are hosted elsewhere and their download location is
> referenced from the plugin articles. The Eclipse plugin site is
> operated and governed by the Eclipse Foundation.
>
> I was really excited about creating this type of site for Geronimo
> since I think it would be a great compliment to sites like
> geronimoplugins.com and it would really help involve/motivate the
> Geronimo development community at large. So I purchased the domain
> name geronimoplugincentral.org to match the format of the Eclipse
> plugin site and got some advice from the Eclipse guys on how to create
> and run a community site.
>
> Now I have a rough working version of the Geronimo plugin community
> site available at http://geronimoplugincentral.org/ that I would love
> to get your feedback on. It is definitely a work in progress and has
> lots of rough edges, but I hope it gets across the main idea of what
> can be accomplished with some further work and direction from the
> Geronimo community. Like the Eclipse plugin site it has a plugin
> discussion forum and a plugin directory where plugins can be reviewed
> and rated by the community.
>
> With Bruce Snyder's help I offered to donate the
> geronimoplugincentral.org domain name to ASF last June but haven't
> heard back from infra@ on that yet. If there's general agreement in
> the Geronimo community that this site is (or can be) A Good Thing then
> I would like to offer full ownership and operational control of this
> site to the Geronimo PMC. I'm also ready/willing to migrate the site
> onto ASF hardware if that's desirable (although I'm not sure how they
> would react to MySQL and Joomla :-).
>
> Of course I am also volunteering my time to finish setting up the site
> and to help administer it when its ready for the masses. Hernan
> created the look and feel for the site based on the work he did in the
> Geronimo website and wiki, and has volunteered to help keep the
> content organized. I'm sure he would love to get your feedback on the
> look and feel, graphics, etc ;-)
>
> Looking forward to your feedback.
> Paul
>
>
> On 6/19/06, Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org> wrote:
>> +1 great idea Paul.
>>
>> Paul McMahan wrote:
>> > There's an interesting plugin site for eclipse at
>> > eclipseplugincentral.com that implements some of the ideas we have
>> > discussed. It provides a directory of plugins but not the actual
>> > files themselves, pointing elsewhere for the purchase/download. It
>> > also provides a rating system, news page, and discussion
>> forums. IMHO
>> > the geronimo project should strive to provide this type of site for
>> > building a healthy commercial and open source community around
>> > geronimo plugins.
>> >
>> > The domain names "geronimoplugincentral.com" and
>> > "geronimoplugincentral.org" were available and match the form
>> used by
>> > "eclipseplugincentral.com" so I purchased them and would like to
>> > donate them to the ASF. How can I do that? Just send a note to
>> > infrastructure@apache.org?
>> >
>> > Best wishes,
>> > Paul
>> >
>> >
>> > On 6/14/06, David Blevins <da...@visi.com> wrote:
>> >> Everyone, please read and ACK.
>> >>
>> >> On Jun 14, 2006, at 4:31 PM, John Sisson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hiram, I care if a private or commercial entity has control over
>> >> > the default option.
>> >>
>> >> I think Hiram does too, he just a read a little too fast. His
>> >> thoughts are clear though.
>> >>
>> >> On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote:
>> >> > All I'm saying is I don't care if IBM puts up
>> >> > http://www.ibm.com/wasce/plugins, I also don't care if you
>> put up a
>> >> > http://virtuas.com/geronimo/plugins site.
>> >> >
>> >> > Now the default link issue is something else. Can we point
>> it by
>> >> > default at some Apache machines by default? I'm sure Aaron
>> would not
>> >> > mind, would you?
>> >>
>> >> That pretty much sums it up for me. Aaron seems to agree. In
>> fact,
>> >> is there anyone out there who doesn't agree?
>> >>
>> >> -David
>> >>
>> >>
>>
-sachin
Re: [CONSENSUS] Default plugin site (was Re: Frustrations of a Release Manager)
Posted by Sachin Patel <sp...@gmail.com>.
Plugins is becoming such a general term now days, I think the only
real way to distinguish the overlap is through education and good
documentation, not by renaming the technologies which I think would
add further confusion.
On Aug 24, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Paul McMahan wrote:
> As for your second point about Geronimo plugins vs. the Geronimo
> Eclipse plugin terminology, I totally agree with you that this will be
> confusing to end users. Actually since Geronimo decided to introduce
> the concept of plugins I have started to notice how many other types
> of software besides Eclipse also use that term. My browser, for
> example, just told me that "Additional plugins are required to display
> all the media on this page". I was using a Macromedia product that
> also complained that I needed a plugin. etc. I don't have any specific
> ideas on how to avoid confusing users about the terminology overlap,
> other than to make sure that Geronimo's Eclipse plugin is listed at
> the appropriate site :-)
-sachin
Re: [CONSENSUS] Default plugin site (was Re: Frustrations of a Release Manager)
Posted by Paul McMahan <pa...@gmail.com>.
Hey Bruce, Glad you asked these questions. I have not had any
offline discussions with Aaron about geronimoplugins.com. My
intention was to have any conversation here on the dev list in context
of where the discussion left off before. My gmail reader threads the
whole discussion together for me nicely so maybe I'm taking that
context for granted since it actually transpired a while ago :-) Here
is a link to the mail archives for historical purposes:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/geronimo-dev/200606.mbox/%3C7b3355cb0606190946r73fd7328k1bcddf2473fc60ff@mail.gmail.com%3E
I do not see any conflict or overlap between the two efforts. In fact
I find them quite complimentary since geronimoplugins.com site is a
privately owned plugin repository that hosts plugins and (if things
work out as I would hope) geronimoplugincentral is a Geronimo PMC
owned site that supports the community and provides an index of
plugins that are hosted elsewhere. This is exactly analogous to how
Eclipse has set up their plugin ecosystem -- there are many plugin
sites where you can download plugins directly into your Eclipse
runtime, and there is a community site (Eclipse Plugin Central) that
supports the user community with forums, reviews, etc. My intent is
to follow their lead where it makes sense since they already have been
in this space for a long time.
As for your second point about Geronimo plugins vs. the Geronimo
Eclipse plugin terminology, I totally agree with you that this will be
confusing to end users. Actually since Geronimo decided to introduce
the concept of plugins I have started to notice how many other types
of software besides Eclipse also use that term. My browser, for
example, just told me that "Additional plugins are required to display
all the media on this page". I was using a Macromedia product that
also complained that I needed a plugin. etc. I don't have any specific
ideas on how to avoid confusing users about the terminology overlap,
other than to make sure that Geronimo's Eclipse plugin is listed at
the appropriate site :-)
Best wishes,
Paul
On 8/24/06, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/24/06, Paul McMahan <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hey folks. This thread about Geronimo plugin sites has been inactive
> > for a while, but during that discussion I made a suggestion that it
> > would be great if Geronimo could provide a plugin site like Eclipse
> > provides at Eclipse Plugin Central. This Eclipse plugin site is not a
> > plugin "repository" per se but more like a community building site
> > with discussion forums and system for reviewing and rating plugins.
> > The actual plugins are hosted elsewhere and their download location is
> > referenced from the plugin articles. The Eclipse plugin site is
> > operated and governed by the Eclipse Foundation.
> >
> > I was really excited about creating this type of site for Geronimo
> > since I think it would be a great compliment to sites like
> > geronimoplugins.com and it would really help involve/motivate the
> > Geronimo development community at large. So I purchased the domain
> > name geronimoplugincentral.org to match the format of the Eclipse
> > plugin site and got some advice from the Eclipse guys on how to create
> > and run a community site.
> >
> > Now I have a rough working version of the Geronimo plugin community
> > site available at http://geronimoplugincentral.org/ that I would love
> > to get your feedback on. It is definitely a work in progress and has
> > lots of rough edges, but I hope it gets across the main idea of what
> > can be accomplished with some further work and direction from the
> > Geronimo community. Like the Eclipse plugin site it has a plugin
> > discussion forum and a plugin directory where plugins can be reviewed
> > and rated by the community.
> >
> > With Bruce Snyder's help I offered to donate the
> > geronimoplugincentral.org domain name to ASF last June but haven't
> > heard back from infra@ on that yet. If there's general agreement in
> > the Geronimo community that this site is (or can be) A Good Thing then
> > I would like to offer full ownership and operational control of this
> > site to the Geronimo PMC. I'm also ready/willing to migrate the site
> > onto ASF hardware if that's desirable (although I'm not sure how they
> > would react to MySQL and Joomla :-).
> >
> > Of course I am also volunteering my time to finish setting up the site
> > and to help administer it when its ready for the masses. Hernan
> > created the look and feel for the site based on the work he did in the
> > Geronimo website and wiki, and has volunteered to help keep the
> > content organized. I'm sure he would love to get your feedback on the
> > look and feel, graphics, etc ;-)
>
> Have you spoken with Aaron regarding geronimoplugins.com yet? I think
> we should try to make these two sites work together rather than
> against one another. What are your thoughts on this?
>
> Also, I understand that there's a difference between Geronimo plugins
> and the Geronimo Eclipse plugin, but that's because I'm a committer
> and involved. What are your thoughts on distinguishing these two
> complementary and easily confusing technologies?
>
> Bruce
> --
> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> );'
>
> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
> Apache ActiveMQ - http://incubator.apache.org/activemq/
> Apache ServiceMix - http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/
> Castor - http://castor.org/
>
Re: [CONSENSUS] Default plugin site (was Re: Frustrations of a Release Manager)
Posted by Jacek Laskowski <ja...@laskowski.net.pl>.
On 8/25/06, Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com> wrote:
> If it is intended to run on apache hardware, then why not use
> geronimo.apache.org/plugins?
I don't think it's a requirement to run on ASF hardware, but a natural
solution - the closer the better.
All in all, your proposal is the best I've seen lately. Easy to
remember and noone would think it's hosted outside the project. I like
it so much that it's going to be profoundly hard to convince me to use
something else. Thanks Dain!
Jacek
--
Jacek Laskowski
http://www.laskowski.net.pl
Re: [CONSENSUS] Default plugin site (was Re: Frustrations of a Release Manager)
Posted by Paul McMahan <pa...@gmail.com>.
Dain, One additional aspect I just thought of is that the Geronimo
team might decide to someday create a plugin repository that is
equivalent to geronimoplugins.com at the location you mentioned
(geronimo.apache.org/plugins) for hosting plugins that are developed
by/for the Apache projects. geronimoplugincentral.org would point at
the plugins hosted at that site, Aaron's site, commercial sites, Joe's
mom's site, etc...
Best wishes,
Paul
On 8/25/06, Paul McMahan <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't necessarily think its a requirement for the site to run on
> Apache hardware. But if the Geronimo dev community thinks this is
> important then I'm definitely game. All of the software currently
> used to run the site is free/open source -- Apache HTTP, Joomla, PHP,
> MySQL, SimpleForum, and xtdratings. But I am looking into some
> low-end commercial software to replace SimpleForum and xtdratings
> since I'm really starting to feel the pain of "you get what you pay
> for" :-) I don't know where infra draws the line on what software
> they'll agree to host on Apache hardware.
>
> Best wishes,
> Paul
>
> On 8/24/06, Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 24, 2006, at 1:42 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote:
> >
> > > I don't think they are competing but complimentary. If I'm looking
> > > at it right the site Paul is proposing is a clearing house for all
> > > plugin sites that is ASF Geronimo focused. It then points to any
> > > number of other plugin sites (geronimoplugins.com would hopefully
> > > be the first of many). At least for those that follow Eclipse the
> > > naming is similar as well (eclipseplugincentral.com). So I see
> > > them as working together based on Paul's proposal and in line with
> > > another successful open source project.
> > >
> > > Another difference is this site was intended to be hosted on ASF
> > > infrastructure for the Geronimo project. I think the
> > > geronimoplugins.com site was specifically hosted externally as it
> > > contains a variety of open source licensed code.
> > > Geronimoplugincentral.com is a clearing house and not a warehouse.
> >
> > If it is intended to run on apache hardware, then why not use
> > geronimo.apache.org/plugins?
> >
> > -dain
> >
>
Re: [CONSENSUS] Default plugin site (was Re: Frustrations of a Release
Manager)
Posted by Mario Ruebsam <ma...@googlemail.com>.
Paul McMahan wrote:
> I don't necessarily think its a requirement for the site to run on
> Apache hardware. But if the Geronimo dev community thinks this is
> important then I'm definitely game. All of the software currently
> used to run the site is free/open source -- Apache HTTP, Joomla, PHP,
> MySQL, SimpleForum, and xtdratings. But I am looking into some
> low-end commercial software to replace SimpleForum and xtdratings
> since I'm really starting to feel the pain of "you get what you pay
> for" :-)
Take a look, at Invision Power Board
http://www.invisionpower.com/ip.dynamic/products/board/index.html
The best I know for an affordable price. The SimpleForum is sometimes
really a pain even for small forums.
Thanks,
Mario
Re: [CONSENSUS] Default plugin site (was Re: Frustrations of a Release Manager)
Posted by Paul McMahan <pa...@gmail.com>.
I don't necessarily think its a requirement for the site to run on
Apache hardware. But if the Geronimo dev community thinks this is
important then I'm definitely game. All of the software currently
used to run the site is free/open source -- Apache HTTP, Joomla, PHP,
MySQL, SimpleForum, and xtdratings. But I am looking into some
low-end commercial software to replace SimpleForum and xtdratings
since I'm really starting to feel the pain of "you get what you pay
for" :-) I don't know where infra draws the line on what software
they'll agree to host on Apache hardware.
Best wishes,
Paul
On 8/24/06, Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com> wrote:
> On Aug 24, 2006, at 1:42 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>
> > I don't think they are competing but complimentary. If I'm looking
> > at it right the site Paul is proposing is a clearing house for all
> > plugin sites that is ASF Geronimo focused. It then points to any
> > number of other plugin sites (geronimoplugins.com would hopefully
> > be the first of many). At least for those that follow Eclipse the
> > naming is similar as well (eclipseplugincentral.com). So I see
> > them as working together based on Paul's proposal and in line with
> > another successful open source project.
> >
> > Another difference is this site was intended to be hosted on ASF
> > infrastructure for the Geronimo project. I think the
> > geronimoplugins.com site was specifically hosted externally as it
> > contains a variety of open source licensed code.
> > Geronimoplugincentral.com is a clearing house and not a warehouse.
>
> If it is intended to run on apache hardware, then why not use
> geronimo.apache.org/plugins?
>
> -dain
>
Re: [CONSENSUS] Default plugin site (was Re: Frustrations of a Release Manager)
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com>.
On Aug 24, 2006, at 1:42 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote:
> I don't think they are competing but complimentary. If I'm looking
> at it right the site Paul is proposing is a clearing house for all
> plugin sites that is ASF Geronimo focused. It then points to any
> number of other plugin sites (geronimoplugins.com would hopefully
> be the first of many). At least for those that follow Eclipse the
> naming is similar as well (eclipseplugincentral.com). So I see
> them as working together based on Paul's proposal and in line with
> another successful open source project.
>
> Another difference is this site was intended to be hosted on ASF
> infrastructure for the Geronimo project. I think the
> geronimoplugins.com site was specifically hosted externally as it
> contains a variety of open source licensed code.
> Geronimoplugincentral.com is a clearing house and not a warehouse.
If it is intended to run on apache hardware, then why not use
geronimo.apache.org/plugins?
-dain
Re: [CONSENSUS] Default plugin site (was Re: Frustrations of a Release
Manager)
Posted by Matt Hogstrom <ho...@apache.org>.
I don't think they are competing but complimentary. If I'm looking at it right the site Paul is
proposing is a clearing house for all plugin sites that is ASF Geronimo focused. It then points to
any number of other plugin sites (geronimoplugins.com would hopefully be the first of many). At
least for those that follow Eclipse the naming is similar as well (eclipseplugincentral.com). So I
see them as working together based on Paul's proposal and in line with another successful open
source project.
Another difference is this site was intended to be hosted on ASF infrastructure for the Geronimo
project. I think the geronimoplugins.com site was specifically hosted externally as it contains a
variety of open source licensed code. Geronimoplugincentral.com is a clearing house and not a
warehouse.
Bruce Snyder wrote:
> On 8/24/06, Paul McMahan <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey folks. This thread about Geronimo plugin sites has been inactive
>> for a while, but during that discussion I made a suggestion that it
>> would be great if Geronimo could provide a plugin site like Eclipse
>> provides at Eclipse Plugin Central. This Eclipse plugin site is not a
>> plugin "repository" per se but more like a community building site
>> with discussion forums and system for reviewing and rating plugins.
>> The actual plugins are hosted elsewhere and their download location is
>> referenced from the plugin articles. The Eclipse plugin site is
>> operated and governed by the Eclipse Foundation.
>>
>> I was really excited about creating this type of site for Geronimo
>> since I think it would be a great compliment to sites like
>> geronimoplugins.com and it would really help involve/motivate the
>> Geronimo development community at large. So I purchased the domain
>> name geronimoplugincentral.org to match the format of the Eclipse
>> plugin site and got some advice from the Eclipse guys on how to create
>> and run a community site.
>>
>> Now I have a rough working version of the Geronimo plugin community
>> site available at http://geronimoplugincentral.org/ that I would love
>> to get your feedback on. It is definitely a work in progress and has
>> lots of rough edges, but I hope it gets across the main idea of what
>> can be accomplished with some further work and direction from the
>> Geronimo community. Like the Eclipse plugin site it has a plugin
>> discussion forum and a plugin directory where plugins can be reviewed
>> and rated by the community.
>>
>> With Bruce Snyder's help I offered to donate the
>> geronimoplugincentral.org domain name to ASF last June but haven't
>> heard back from infra@ on that yet. If there's general agreement in
>> the Geronimo community that this site is (or can be) A Good Thing then
>> I would like to offer full ownership and operational control of this
>> site to the Geronimo PMC. I'm also ready/willing to migrate the site
>> onto ASF hardware if that's desirable (although I'm not sure how they
>> would react to MySQL and Joomla :-).
>>
>> Of course I am also volunteering my time to finish setting up the site
>> and to help administer it when its ready for the masses. Hernan
>> created the look and feel for the site based on the work he did in the
>> Geronimo website and wiki, and has volunteered to help keep the
>> content organized. I'm sure he would love to get your feedback on the
>> look and feel, graphics, etc ;-)
>
> Have you spoken with Aaron regarding geronimoplugins.com yet? I think
> we should try to make these two sites work together rather than
> against one another. What are your thoughts on this?
>
> Also, I understand that there's a difference between Geronimo plugins
> and the Geronimo Eclipse plugin, but that's because I'm a committer
> and involved. What are your thoughts on distinguishing these two
> complementary and easily confusing technologies?
>
> Bruce
Re: [CONSENSUS] Default plugin site (was Re: Frustrations of a Release Manager)
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On 8/24/06, Paul McMahan <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey folks. This thread about Geronimo plugin sites has been inactive
> for a while, but during that discussion I made a suggestion that it
> would be great if Geronimo could provide a plugin site like Eclipse
> provides at Eclipse Plugin Central. This Eclipse plugin site is not a
> plugin "repository" per se but more like a community building site
> with discussion forums and system for reviewing and rating plugins.
> The actual plugins are hosted elsewhere and their download location is
> referenced from the plugin articles. The Eclipse plugin site is
> operated and governed by the Eclipse Foundation.
>
> I was really excited about creating this type of site for Geronimo
> since I think it would be a great compliment to sites like
> geronimoplugins.com and it would really help involve/motivate the
> Geronimo development community at large. So I purchased the domain
> name geronimoplugincentral.org to match the format of the Eclipse
> plugin site and got some advice from the Eclipse guys on how to create
> and run a community site.
>
> Now I have a rough working version of the Geronimo plugin community
> site available at http://geronimoplugincentral.org/ that I would love
> to get your feedback on. It is definitely a work in progress and has
> lots of rough edges, but I hope it gets across the main idea of what
> can be accomplished with some further work and direction from the
> Geronimo community. Like the Eclipse plugin site it has a plugin
> discussion forum and a plugin directory where plugins can be reviewed
> and rated by the community.
>
> With Bruce Snyder's help I offered to donate the
> geronimoplugincentral.org domain name to ASF last June but haven't
> heard back from infra@ on that yet. If there's general agreement in
> the Geronimo community that this site is (or can be) A Good Thing then
> I would like to offer full ownership and operational control of this
> site to the Geronimo PMC. I'm also ready/willing to migrate the site
> onto ASF hardware if that's desirable (although I'm not sure how they
> would react to MySQL and Joomla :-).
>
> Of course I am also volunteering my time to finish setting up the site
> and to help administer it when its ready for the masses. Hernan
> created the look and feel for the site based on the work he did in the
> Geronimo website and wiki, and has volunteered to help keep the
> content organized. I'm sure he would love to get your feedback on the
> look and feel, graphics, etc ;-)
Have you spoken with Aaron regarding geronimoplugins.com yet? I think
we should try to make these two sites work together rather than
against one another. What are your thoughts on this?
Also, I understand that there's a difference between Geronimo plugins
and the Geronimo Eclipse plugin, but that's because I'm a committer
and involved. What are your thoughts on distinguishing these two
complementary and easily confusing technologies?
Bruce
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);'
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Re: [CONSENSUS] Default plugin site (was Re: Frustrations of a Release
Manager)
Posted by Hernan Cunico <hc...@gmail.com>.
Hi Joe,
what are the problems you see with IE?
I mainly use Firefox but so far I can't tell the difference for what I
tested with IE. Can you send me a link?
Cheers!
Hernan
Joe Bohn wrote:
> This looks good Paul and I think it can do a lot to get momentum behind
> the creation of plugins (and plugin sites) as well as foster
> communication between plugin users.
>
> I do have some general curiosity questions like "What happens if a
> plugin exists on multiple sites?" and "What does it take to get a new
> plugin site registered?", etc...
>
> I appears that the site is mostly focused on plugin consumers. However,
> there are hints that it could be used by plugin creators as well? If
> the latter is intended then perhaps we should include some more links to
> plugin development "how to's" (of course we would need to create these
> first ourselves).
>
> One minor note ... the site looks great with Firefox but it definitely
> has some formatting problems with IE.
>
> Paul McMahan wrote:
>> Hey folks. This thread about Geronimo plugin sites has been inactive
>> for a while, but during that discussion I made a suggestion that it
>> would be great if Geronimo could provide a plugin site like Eclipse
>> provides at Eclipse Plugin Central. This Eclipse plugin site is not a
>> plugin "repository" per se but more like a community building site
>> with discussion forums and system for reviewing and rating plugins.
>> The actual plugins are hosted elsewhere and their download location is
>> referenced from the plugin articles. The Eclipse plugin site is
>> operated and governed by the Eclipse Foundation.
>>
>> I was really excited about creating this type of site for Geronimo
>> since I think it would be a great compliment to sites like
>> geronimoplugins.com and it would really help involve/motivate the
>> Geronimo development community at large. So I purchased the domain
>> name geronimoplugincentral.org to match the format of the Eclipse
>> plugin site and got some advice from the Eclipse guys on how to create
>> and run a community site.
>>
>> Now I have a rough working version of the Geronimo plugin community
>> site available at http://geronimoplugincentral.org/ that I would love
>> to get your feedback on. It is definitely a work in progress and has
>> lots of rough edges, but I hope it gets across the main idea of what
>> can be accomplished with some further work and direction from the
>> Geronimo community. Like the Eclipse plugin site it has a plugin
>> discussion forum and a plugin directory where plugins can be reviewed
>> and rated by the community.
>>
>> With Bruce Snyder's help I offered to donate the
>> geronimoplugincentral.org domain name to ASF last June but haven't
>> heard back from infra@ on that yet. If there's general agreement in
>> the Geronimo community that this site is (or can be) A Good Thing then
>> I would like to offer full ownership and operational control of this
>> site to the Geronimo PMC. I'm also ready/willing to migrate the site
>> onto ASF hardware if that's desirable (although I'm not sure how they
>> would react to MySQL and Joomla :-).
>>
>> Of course I am also volunteering my time to finish setting up the site
>> and to help administer it when its ready for the masses. Hernan
>> created the look and feel for the site based on the work he did in the
>> Geronimo website and wiki, and has volunteered to help keep the
>> content organized. I'm sure he would love to get your feedback on the
>> look and feel, graphics, etc ;-)
>>
>> Looking forward to your feedback.
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On 6/19/06, Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 great idea Paul.
>>>
>>> Paul McMahan wrote:
>>> > There's an interesting plugin site for eclipse at
>>> > eclipseplugincentral.com that implements some of the ideas we have
>>> > discussed. It provides a directory of plugins but not the actual
>>> > files themselves, pointing elsewhere for the purchase/download. It
>>> > also provides a rating system, news page, and discussion forums. IMHO
>>> > the geronimo project should strive to provide this type of site for
>>> > building a healthy commercial and open source community around
>>> > geronimo plugins.
>>> >
>>> > The domain names "geronimoplugincentral.com" and
>>> > "geronimoplugincentral.org" were available and match the form used by
>>> > "eclipseplugincentral.com" so I purchased them and would like to
>>> > donate them to the ASF. How can I do that? Just send a note to
>>> > infrastructure@apache.org?
>>> >
>>> > Best wishes,
>>> > Paul
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 6/14/06, David Blevins <da...@visi.com> wrote:
>>> >> Everyone, please read and ACK.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Jun 14, 2006, at 4:31 PM, John Sisson wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Hiram, I care if a private or commercial entity has control over
>>> >> > the default option.
>>> >>
>>> >> I think Hiram does too, he just a read a little too fast. His
>>> >> thoughts are clear though.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote:
>>> >> > All I'm saying is I don't care if IBM puts up
>>> >> > http://www.ibm.com/wasce/plugins, I also don't care if you put up a
>>> >> > http://virtuas.com/geronimo/plugins site.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Now the default link issue is something else. Can we point it by
>>> >> > default at some Apache machines by default? I'm sure Aaron
>>> would not
>>> >> > mind, would you?
>>> >>
>>> >> That pretty much sums it up for me. Aaron seems to agree. In fact,
>>> >> is there anyone out there who doesn't agree?
>>> >>
>>> >> -David
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: [CONSENSUS] Default plugin site (was Re: Frustrations of a Release Manager)
Posted by Paul McMahan <pa...@gmail.com>.
On 8/24/06, Joe Bohn <jo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> This looks good Paul and I think it can do a lot to get momentum behind
> the creation of plugins (and plugin sites) as well as foster
> communication between plugin users.
>
> I do have some general curiosity questions like "What happens if a
> plugin exists on multiple sites?" and "What does it take to get a new
> plugin site registered?", etc...
I get the gist of what you're saying, which is that there are lots of
details to be worked out, and I agree. I think it is fortunate that
EclipsePluginCentral has already been around for a while and has a
well established community so when necessary we can always look to
their site for ideas. Longer term I think there could be good synergy
between EclipsePluginCentral and GeronimoPluginCentral. We have
communicated about Geronimo related effort and they even offered to
donate some of their custom site modules.
For your specific questions:
- If plugins exist on multiple sites then there could either be a
review article for each instance or a single article that lists both
download locations if the metadata is otherwise the same for both.
- For a content management system like Joomla (which is what drives
the site) handling new content submission is a bread and butter
activity. For example I assigned Author permission to your account so
now you should see a link on the Plugin Repositories page to add new
content. I think there's a way to allow any registered user to submit
new content but I'm still figuring some things out.
> I appears that the site is mostly focused on plugin consumers. However,
> there are hints that it could be used by plugin creators as well? If
> the latter is intended then perhaps we should include some more links to
> plugin development "how to's" (of course we would need to create these
> first ourselves).
There's a Plugin Development discussion forum, and it would be easy to
set up a bigger area of the site dedicated to helping plugin
developers. But that might be an area of overlap with what we use the
Geornimo wiki for, so for now I'm focused on the plugin directory and
the discussion forum.
> One minor note ... the site looks great with Firefox but it definitely
> has some formatting problems with IE.
>
> Paul McMahan wrote:
> > Hey folks. This thread about Geronimo plugin sites has been inactive
> > for a while, but during that discussion I made a suggestion that it
> > would be great if Geronimo could provide a plugin site like Eclipse
> > provides at Eclipse Plugin Central. This Eclipse plugin site is not a
> > plugin "repository" per se but more like a community building site
> > with discussion forums and system for reviewing and rating plugins.
> > The actual plugins are hosted elsewhere and their download location is
> > referenced from the plugin articles. The Eclipse plugin site is
> > operated and governed by the Eclipse Foundation.
> >
> > I was really excited about creating this type of site for Geronimo
> > since I think it would be a great compliment to sites like
> > geronimoplugins.com and it would really help involve/motivate the
> > Geronimo development community at large. So I purchased the domain
> > name geronimoplugincentral.org to match the format of the Eclipse
> > plugin site and got some advice from the Eclipse guys on how to create
> > and run a community site.
> >
> > Now I have a rough working version of the Geronimo plugin community
> > site available at http://geronimoplugincentral.org/ that I would love
> > to get your feedback on. It is definitely a work in progress and has
> > lots of rough edges, but I hope it gets across the main idea of what
> > can be accomplished with some further work and direction from the
> > Geronimo community. Like the Eclipse plugin site it has a plugin
> > discussion forum and a plugin directory where plugins can be reviewed
> > and rated by the community.
> >
> > With Bruce Snyder's help I offered to donate the
> > geronimoplugincentral.org domain name to ASF last June but haven't
> > heard back from infra@ on that yet. If there's general agreement in
> > the Geronimo community that this site is (or can be) A Good Thing then
> > I would like to offer full ownership and operational control of this
> > site to the Geronimo PMC. I'm also ready/willing to migrate the site
> > onto ASF hardware if that's desirable (although I'm not sure how they
> > would react to MySQL and Joomla :-).
> >
> > Of course I am also volunteering my time to finish setting up the site
> > and to help administer it when its ready for the masses. Hernan
> > created the look and feel for the site based on the work he did in the
> > Geronimo website and wiki, and has volunteered to help keep the
> > content organized. I'm sure he would love to get your feedback on the
> > look and feel, graphics, etc ;-)
> >
> > Looking forward to your feedback.
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > On 6/19/06, Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> +1 great idea Paul.
> >>
> >> Paul McMahan wrote:
> >> > There's an interesting plugin site for eclipse at
> >> > eclipseplugincentral.com that implements some of the ideas we have
> >> > discussed. It provides a directory of plugins but not the actual
> >> > files themselves, pointing elsewhere for the purchase/download. It
> >> > also provides a rating system, news page, and discussion forums. IMHO
> >> > the geronimo project should strive to provide this type of site for
> >> > building a healthy commercial and open source community around
> >> > geronimo plugins.
> >> >
> >> > The domain names "geronimoplugincentral.com" and
> >> > "geronimoplugincentral.org" were available and match the form used by
> >> > "eclipseplugincentral.com" so I purchased them and would like to
> >> > donate them to the ASF. How can I do that? Just send a note to
> >> > infrastructure@apache.org?
> >> >
> >> > Best wishes,
> >> > Paul
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 6/14/06, David Blevins <da...@visi.com> wrote:
> >> >> Everyone, please read and ACK.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Jun 14, 2006, at 4:31 PM, John Sisson wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Hiram, I care if a private or commercial entity has control over
> >> >> > the default option.
> >> >>
> >> >> I think Hiram does too, he just a read a little too fast. His
> >> >> thoughts are clear though.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote:
> >> >> > All I'm saying is I don't care if IBM puts up
> >> >> > http://www.ibm.com/wasce/plugins, I also don't care if you put up a
> >> >> > http://virtuas.com/geronimo/plugins site.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Now the default link issue is something else. Can we point it by
> >> >> > default at some Apache machines by default? I'm sure Aaron would
> >> not
> >> >> > mind, would you?
> >> >>
> >> >> That pretty much sums it up for me. Aaron seems to agree. In fact,
> >> >> is there anyone out there who doesn't agree?
> >> >>
> >> >> -David
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
Re: [CONSENSUS] Default plugin site (was Re: Frustrations of a Release
Manager)
Posted by Joe Bohn <jo...@earthlink.net>.
Strike my comment about IE. It looks like I had set my viewing font to
"larger". Doing this made some of the text on the initial page really
large (such that it wrapped and the bottom of the chars on the first
line were touching the top of the chars on the second line). It also
messed up the links to the actual plugins such that the "underlines"
went thru the link name itself (like a low strike-through). Anyway,l
when I changed the view font back to "smallest" everything looks the
same on IE as it appears on firefox.
Joe
Joe Bohn wrote:
> This looks good Paul and I think it can do a lot to get momentum behind
> the creation of plugins (and plugin sites) as well as foster
> communication between plugin users.
>
> I do have some general curiosity questions like "What happens if a
> plugin exists on multiple sites?" and "What does it take to get a new
> plugin site registered?", etc...
>
> I appears that the site is mostly focused on plugin consumers. However,
> there are hints that it could be used by plugin creators as well? If
> the latter is intended then perhaps we should include some more links to
> plugin development "how to's" (of course we would need to create these
> first ourselves).
>
> One minor note ... the site looks great with Firefox but it definitely
> has some formatting problems with IE.
>
> Paul McMahan wrote:
>
>> Hey folks. This thread about Geronimo plugin sites has been inactive
>> for a while, but during that discussion I made a suggestion that it
>> would be great if Geronimo could provide a plugin site like Eclipse
>> provides at Eclipse Plugin Central. This Eclipse plugin site is not a
>> plugin "repository" per se but more like a community building site
>> with discussion forums and system for reviewing and rating plugins.
>> The actual plugins are hosted elsewhere and their download location is
>> referenced from the plugin articles. The Eclipse plugin site is
>> operated and governed by the Eclipse Foundation.
>>
>> I was really excited about creating this type of site for Geronimo
>> since I think it would be a great compliment to sites like
>> geronimoplugins.com and it would really help involve/motivate the
>> Geronimo development community at large. So I purchased the domain
>> name geronimoplugincentral.org to match the format of the Eclipse
>> plugin site and got some advice from the Eclipse guys on how to create
>> and run a community site.
>>
>> Now I have a rough working version of the Geronimo plugin community
>> site available at http://geronimoplugincentral.org/ that I would love
>> to get your feedback on. It is definitely a work in progress and has
>> lots of rough edges, but I hope it gets across the main idea of what
>> can be accomplished with some further work and direction from the
>> Geronimo community. Like the Eclipse plugin site it has a plugin
>> discussion forum and a plugin directory where plugins can be reviewed
>> and rated by the community.
>>
>> With Bruce Snyder's help I offered to donate the
>> geronimoplugincentral.org domain name to ASF last June but haven't
>> heard back from infra@ on that yet. If there's general agreement in
>> the Geronimo community that this site is (or can be) A Good Thing then
>> I would like to offer full ownership and operational control of this
>> site to the Geronimo PMC. I'm also ready/willing to migrate the site
>> onto ASF hardware if that's desirable (although I'm not sure how they
>> would react to MySQL and Joomla :-).
>>
>> Of course I am also volunteering my time to finish setting up the site
>> and to help administer it when its ready for the masses. Hernan
>> created the look and feel for the site based on the work he did in the
>> Geronimo website and wiki, and has volunteered to help keep the
>> content organized. I'm sure he would love to get your feedback on the
>> look and feel, graphics, etc ;-)
>>
>> Looking forward to your feedback.
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On 6/19/06, Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 great idea Paul.
>>>
>>> Paul McMahan wrote:
>>> > There's an interesting plugin site for eclipse at
>>> > eclipseplugincentral.com that implements some of the ideas we have
>>> > discussed. It provides a directory of plugins but not the actual
>>> > files themselves, pointing elsewhere for the purchase/download. It
>>> > also provides a rating system, news page, and discussion forums. IMHO
>>> > the geronimo project should strive to provide this type of site for
>>> > building a healthy commercial and open source community around
>>> > geronimo plugins.
>>> >
>>> > The domain names "geronimoplugincentral.com" and
>>> > "geronimoplugincentral.org" were available and match the form used by
>>> > "eclipseplugincentral.com" so I purchased them and would like to
>>> > donate them to the ASF. How can I do that? Just send a note to
>>> > infrastructure@apache.org?
>>> >
>>> > Best wishes,
>>> > Paul
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 6/14/06, David Blevins <da...@visi.com> wrote:
>>> >> Everyone, please read and ACK.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Jun 14, 2006, at 4:31 PM, John Sisson wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Hiram, I care if a private or commercial entity has control over
>>> >> > the default option.
>>> >>
>>> >> I think Hiram does too, he just a read a little too fast. His
>>> >> thoughts are clear though.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote:
>>> >> > All I'm saying is I don't care if IBM puts up
>>> >> > http://www.ibm.com/wasce/plugins, I also don't care if you put up a
>>> >> > http://virtuas.com/geronimo/plugins site.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Now the default link issue is something else. Can we point it by
>>> >> > default at some Apache machines by default? I'm sure Aaron
>>> would not
>>> >> > mind, would you?
>>> >>
>>> >> That pretty much sums it up for me. Aaron seems to agree. In fact,
>>> >> is there anyone out there who doesn't agree?
>>> >>
>>> >> -David
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: [CONSENSUS] Default plugin site (was Re: Frustrations of a Release
Manager)
Posted by Joe Bohn <jo...@earthlink.net>.
This looks good Paul and I think it can do a lot to get momentum behind
the creation of plugins (and plugin sites) as well as foster
communication between plugin users.
I do have some general curiosity questions like "What happens if a
plugin exists on multiple sites?" and "What does it take to get a new
plugin site registered?", etc...
I appears that the site is mostly focused on plugin consumers. However,
there are hints that it could be used by plugin creators as well? If
the latter is intended then perhaps we should include some more links to
plugin development "how to's" (of course we would need to create these
first ourselves).
One minor note ... the site looks great with Firefox but it definitely
has some formatting problems with IE.
Paul McMahan wrote:
> Hey folks. This thread about Geronimo plugin sites has been inactive
> for a while, but during that discussion I made a suggestion that it
> would be great if Geronimo could provide a plugin site like Eclipse
> provides at Eclipse Plugin Central. This Eclipse plugin site is not a
> plugin "repository" per se but more like a community building site
> with discussion forums and system for reviewing and rating plugins.
> The actual plugins are hosted elsewhere and their download location is
> referenced from the plugin articles. The Eclipse plugin site is
> operated and governed by the Eclipse Foundation.
>
> I was really excited about creating this type of site for Geronimo
> since I think it would be a great compliment to sites like
> geronimoplugins.com and it would really help involve/motivate the
> Geronimo development community at large. So I purchased the domain
> name geronimoplugincentral.org to match the format of the Eclipse
> plugin site and got some advice from the Eclipse guys on how to create
> and run a community site.
>
> Now I have a rough working version of the Geronimo plugin community
> site available at http://geronimoplugincentral.org/ that I would love
> to get your feedback on. It is definitely a work in progress and has
> lots of rough edges, but I hope it gets across the main idea of what
> can be accomplished with some further work and direction from the
> Geronimo community. Like the Eclipse plugin site it has a plugin
> discussion forum and a plugin directory where plugins can be reviewed
> and rated by the community.
>
> With Bruce Snyder's help I offered to donate the
> geronimoplugincentral.org domain name to ASF last June but haven't
> heard back from infra@ on that yet. If there's general agreement in
> the Geronimo community that this site is (or can be) A Good Thing then
> I would like to offer full ownership and operational control of this
> site to the Geronimo PMC. I'm also ready/willing to migrate the site
> onto ASF hardware if that's desirable (although I'm not sure how they
> would react to MySQL and Joomla :-).
>
> Of course I am also volunteering my time to finish setting up the site
> and to help administer it when its ready for the masses. Hernan
> created the look and feel for the site based on the work he did in the
> Geronimo website and wiki, and has volunteered to help keep the
> content organized. I'm sure he would love to get your feedback on the
> look and feel, graphics, etc ;-)
>
> Looking forward to your feedback.
> Paul
>
>
> On 6/19/06, Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> +1 great idea Paul.
>>
>> Paul McMahan wrote:
>> > There's an interesting plugin site for eclipse at
>> > eclipseplugincentral.com that implements some of the ideas we have
>> > discussed. It provides a directory of plugins but not the actual
>> > files themselves, pointing elsewhere for the purchase/download. It
>> > also provides a rating system, news page, and discussion forums. IMHO
>> > the geronimo project should strive to provide this type of site for
>> > building a healthy commercial and open source community around
>> > geronimo plugins.
>> >
>> > The domain names "geronimoplugincentral.com" and
>> > "geronimoplugincentral.org" were available and match the form used by
>> > "eclipseplugincentral.com" so I purchased them and would like to
>> > donate them to the ASF. How can I do that? Just send a note to
>> > infrastructure@apache.org?
>> >
>> > Best wishes,
>> > Paul
>> >
>> >
>> > On 6/14/06, David Blevins <da...@visi.com> wrote:
>> >> Everyone, please read and ACK.
>> >>
>> >> On Jun 14, 2006, at 4:31 PM, John Sisson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hiram, I care if a private or commercial entity has control over
>> >> > the default option.
>> >>
>> >> I think Hiram does too, he just a read a little too fast. His
>> >> thoughts are clear though.
>> >>
>> >> On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote:
>> >> > All I'm saying is I don't care if IBM puts up
>> >> > http://www.ibm.com/wasce/plugins, I also don't care if you put up a
>> >> > http://virtuas.com/geronimo/plugins site.
>> >> >
>> >> > Now the default link issue is something else. Can we point it by
>> >> > default at some Apache machines by default? I'm sure Aaron would
>> not
>> >> > mind, would you?
>> >>
>> >> That pretty much sums it up for me. Aaron seems to agree. In fact,
>> >> is there anyone out there who doesn't agree?
>> >>
>> >> -David
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>
>