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[sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Hello everybody,
The two most important improvements since my last update:
- There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area,
Position and Size, Graphics, Page)
- Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
appear in the finished sidebar. The missing panels are replaced by
placeholders for the time being.
More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel,
context) as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the
Wiki page [1].
The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
sidebar. But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a
little more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.
But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject.
Please go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
But please not that this is work in progress. Do not use it to work on
important documents.
If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a
short section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you
find all the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be
visible for each context.
Have fun,
Andre
[1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar
[2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds
[3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#QA
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Claudio Filho <fi...@gmail.com>.
Hi
2013/3/21 Andre Fischer <aw...@gmail.com>:
> The two most important improvements since my last update:
> - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area, Position
> and Size, Graphics, Page)
> - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
> appear in the finished sidebar. The missing panels are replaced by
> placeholders for the time being.
Andre, i'm using (directly) the 4.0 snapshot, and i saw that all
components from format toolbar are present in sidebar, except the
"style and format window" (F11).
If we put this button in sidebar, we don't need more this toolbar,
giving more some "pixels" in the text space. Is this idea in the plan?
Best,
Claudio
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Andre Fischer <aw...@gmail.com>.
On 22.03.2013 09:34, Hagar Delest wrote:
> Le 22/03/2013 08:54, Andre Fischer a écrit :
>> Hagar, thanks for the feedback. I can not reproduce this behavior
>> but am probably doing something different then you are. Can you
>> write an issue (see another post of mine in this thread for details)
>> with a step-by-step description of how to reproduce it?
>
> Done: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121933
> Not sure it will be easily confirmed since the behavior is not 100%
> reproducible it seems.
>
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Done. The assigning to me, not the fix :-)
-Andre
>
> Hagar
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 4:34 AM, Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net> wrote:
> Le 22/03/2013 08:54, Andre Fischer a écrit :
>
>> Hagar, thanks for the feedback. I can not reproduce this behavior but am
>> probably doing something different then you are. Can you write an issue
>> (see another post of mine in this thread for details) with a step-by-step
>> description of how to reproduce it?
>
>
> Done: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121933
> Not sure it will be easily confirmed since the behavior is not 100%
> reproducible it seems.
>
> NB: no access to the assign field.
>
If you associate your Apache email address with your BZ account you
will get additional permissions.
-Rob
> Hagar
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
Le 22/03/2013 08:54, Andre Fischer a écrit :
> Hagar, thanks for the feedback. I can not reproduce this behavior but am probably doing something different then you are. Can you write an issue (see another post of mine in this thread for details) with a step-by-step description of how to reproduce it?
Done: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121933
Not sure it will be easily confirmed since the behavior is not 100% reproducible it seems.
NB: no access to the assign field.
Hagar
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Andre Fischer <aw...@gmail.com>.
On 21.03.2013 23:30, Hagar Delest wrote:
> Nice.
> I use to dock Stylist and Navigator. When the Sidebar is docked below
> one of them, if you hide it and then display it (with View menu), it
> doesn't takes its previous place but almost all space of the panel,
> reducing the room left for the other panel.
Hagar, thanks for the feedback. I can not reproduce this behavior but
am probably doing something different then you are. Can you write an
issue (see another post of mine in this thread for details) with a
step-by-step description of how to reproduce it?
Thanks,
Andre
>
> Hagar
>
>
> Le 21/03/2013 21:14, Regina Henschel a écrit :
>
>> Hi Andre,
>>
>> do you want, that I post the problem I find here in the thread, or
>> write an issue?
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Regina
>>
>>
>> Andre Fischer schrieb:
>>> Hello everybody,
>>>
>>> The two most important improvements since my last update:
>>> - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area,
>>> Position and Size, Graphics, Page)
>>> - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
>>> appear in the finished sidebar. The missing panels are replaced by
>>> placeholders for the time being.
>>>
>>> More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel,
>>> context) as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on
>>> the
>>> Wiki page [1].
>>>
>>> The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
>>> sidebar. But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a
>>> little more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write
>>> about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject.
>>> Please go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred
>>> platform.
>>> But please not that this is work in progress. Do not use it to work on
>>> important documents.
>>>
>>> If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a
>>> short section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you
>>> find all the different contexts and that tell you which panels
>>> should be
>>> visible for each context.
>>>
>>> Have fun,
>>> Andre
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar
>>> [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds
>>> [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#QA
>>>
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Andre Fischer <aw...@gmail.com>.
On 22.03.2013 08:30, Hagar Delest wrote:
> Le 22/03/2013 07:10, Juergen Schmidt a écrit :
>> currently work is ongoing to integrate the gallery. The navigator and
>> stylist should be also integrated. But there are of course questions
>> how exactly. Some users might prefer to have both visible and docked,
>> how would it be in the sidebar? We have to figure out what is best
>> and what works best. We can probably do not everything for 4.0 but
>> it's good to collect feedback and ideas. The currently floating table
>> toolbar is also a candidate for integration in the sidebar.
>> Volunteers are welcome to help ;-)
>> Long term it would be perfect if users can configure the content of
>> the decks similar to toolbars today. But all this is a lot of work
>> and has to be done. We need much more core basics like a working
>> layout engine etc.
>> We will see how our users will accept the sidebar in general and it
>> is only the beginning.
>> I personally like the sidebar and believe it will be a really huge
>> step forward to increase the usability.
>
> What I like about the sidebar:
> - The button that opens the properties of the main dialog (avoid right
> click to access character/paragraph properties for example)
> - Better screen real estate for wide screens (something a bit like The
> Gimp)
> - Could be the possibility to remove the default formatting toolbar at
> the top (to increase space for the document)
> - The possibility to reduce each section of the Sidebar
> - Increase/Decrease font buttons will please a lot of users!
>
> Not sure the page settings should be included: they are not that often
> accessed (but well, that section can be reduced)
> About integration of the Navigator (and Stylist): I use them a lot and
> the Navigator is THE panel that I would not like to be hidden in any
> way. All users working with long documents really need it visible just
> all the time. Even an extra click to switch to it would be cumbersome.
There are no concrete plans to disable the standalone versions of
navigator and other dialogs that are to be included in the sidebar.
Once the sidebar is released, we as a community, will have to decide on
how to go on. Also, the feature set of the sidebar is not fixed for all
times. One possible improvement could be to make decks and panels able
to detach from the sidebar window: plug the navigator inside the sidebar
if you want or plug it side-by-side with the sidebar, both visible at
the same time.
Maybe we (I) should start a new section on the Sidebar wiki page for
possible future enhancements?
-Andre
> NB: a drop-down list in the Text/Paragraph sections could be added to
> select the Character/Paragraph styles.
> Vertical spacing of the buttons seems rather large but I guess it will
> be part of the fine tuning.
>
> I just noticed that mouse wheel on the Sidebar scrolls the document
> and not the Sidebar.
>
> Just my feedback based on my personal use of Writer.
>
> Hagar
>
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com>.
2013/3/24 Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
> On 22/03/2013 Hagar Delest wrote:
>
>> What I like about the sidebar: ...
>>
>> - Increase/Decrease font buttons will please a lot of users!
>>
>
> Indeed. And another way to make lots of users happy, and show that the
> sidebar is not only a new interface but also a way to implement new
> features, would be to include the output of "Tools - Word Count" (not the
> button, which might still be useful though) in the sidebar. Is this
> technically feasible?
>
Real time word count? Yes, this will make lots of users happy!
Regards
Ricardo
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Andre Fischer <aw...@gmail.com>.
On 24.03.2013 17:56, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> On 22/03/2013 Hagar Delest wrote:
>> What I like about the sidebar: ...
>> - Increase/Decrease font buttons will please a lot of users!
>
> Indeed. And another way to make lots of users happy, and show that the
> sidebar is not only a new interface but also a way to implement new
> features, would be to include the output of "Tools - Word Count" (not
> the button, which might still be useful though) in the sidebar. Is
> this technically feasible?
As others have said before me in this thread, the word count is best be
displayed in the status bar.
But your question is valid for other features.
The answer is, yes, of course. Making the sidebar extensible with more
decks and panels was one of the design goals. You can do that with
extensions in any language that is supported by the extension manager.
There will be Wiki page that describes the details. The already
existing way to do that will be supported also.
-Andre
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Hagar Delest wrote:
> Le 24/03/2013 18:45, Ariel Constenla-Haile a écrit :
>> The real-time word count is useful on the status bar, as in this
>> extension (demo):
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/devtools/sdk-examples/trunk/cpp/components/StatusbarController/WordCountStatusbarController/
> +1 to implement word count in the status bar and give the place to
> something else in the sidebar.
Sure. If there is an extension already available and all the needed API
work as described in
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121442
has been done by Ariel in the last months (thanks!), then let's just
integrate and enable this extension by default and not use the sidebar
for that.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:58:00 +0100
Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net> wrote:
> Le 24/03/2013 18:45, Ariel Constenla-Haile a écrit :
> > The real-time word count is useful on the status bar, as in this
> > extension (demo):
> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/devtools/sdk-examples/trunk/cpp/components/StatusbarController/WordCountStatusbarController/
>
> +1 to implement word count in the status bar and give the place to something else in the sidebar.
>
> Hagar
Agreed that Word Count would be better in the Status bar, rather than in the Sidebar. My reasons: if Sidebar is turned off by a User and they continue to use the classic OpenOffice interface, then they still have the Word Count.
I haven't yet had time to try the Sidebar (apart from looking at the visuals), as my current systems are all 32 bit Ubuntu; in the next few weeks I hope to migrate one or more to 64 bit Ubuntu so I can try the Sidebar
--
Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
Le 24/03/2013 18:45, Ariel Constenla-Haile a écrit :
> The real-time word count is useful on the status bar, as in this
> extension (demo):
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/devtools/sdk-examples/trunk/cpp/components/StatusbarController/WordCountStatusbarController/
+1 to implement word count in the status bar and give the place to something else in the sidebar.
Hagar
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 05:56:58PM +0100, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> On 22/03/2013 Hagar Delest wrote:
> >What I like about the sidebar: ...
> >- Increase/Decrease font buttons will please a lot of users!
>
> Indeed. And another way to make lots of users happy, and show that
> the sidebar is not only a new interface but also a way to implement
> new features, would be to include the output of "Tools - Word Count"
> (not the button, which might still be useful though) in the sidebar.
> Is this technically feasible?
The real-time word count is useful on the status bar, as in this
extension (demo):
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/devtools/sdk-examples/trunk/cpp/components/StatusbarController/WordCountStatusbarController/
Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina
Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 22/03/2013 Hagar Delest wrote:
> What I like about the sidebar: ...
> - Increase/Decrease font buttons will please a lot of users!
Indeed. And another way to make lots of users happy, and show that the
sidebar is not only a new interface but also a way to implement new
features, would be to include the output of "Tools - Word Count" (not
the button, which might still be useful though) in the sidebar. Is this
technically feasible?
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
Le 22/03/2013 07:10, Juergen Schmidt a écrit :
> currently work is ongoing to integrate the gallery. The navigator and stylist should be also integrated. But there are of course questions how exactly. Some users might prefer to have both visible and docked, how would it be in the sidebar? We have to figure out what is best and what works best. We can probably do not everything for 4.0 but it's good to collect feedback and ideas. The currently floating table toolbar is also a candidate for integration in the sidebar. Volunteers are welcome to help ;-)
> Long term it would be perfect if users can configure the content of the decks similar to toolbars today. But all this is a lot of work and has to be done. We need much more core basics like a working layout engine etc.
> We will see how our users will accept the sidebar in general and it is only the beginning.
> I personally like the sidebar and believe it will be a really huge step forward to increase the usability.
What I like about the sidebar:
- The button that opens the properties of the main dialog (avoid right click to access character/paragraph properties for example)
- Better screen real estate for wide screens (something a bit like The Gimp)
- Could be the possibility to remove the default formatting toolbar at the top (to increase space for the document)
- The possibility to reduce each section of the Sidebar
- Increase/Decrease font buttons will please a lot of users!
Not sure the page settings should be included: they are not that often accessed (but well, that section can be reduced)
About integration of the Navigator (and Stylist): I use them a lot and the Navigator is THE panel that I would not like to be hidden in any way. All users working with long documents really need it visible just all the time. Even an extra click to switch to it would be cumbersome.
NB: a drop-down list in the Text/Paragraph sections could be added to select the Character/Paragraph styles.
Vertical spacing of the buttons seems rather large but I guess it will be part of the fine tuning.
I just noticed that mouse wheel on the Sidebar scrolls the document and not the Sidebar.
Just my feedback based on my personal use of Writer.
Hagar
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Juergen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
Am Donnerstag, 21. März 2013 um 23:30 schrieb Hagar Delest:
> Nice.
> I use to dock Stylist and Navigator. When the Sidebar is docked below one of them, if you hide it and then display it (with View menu), it doesn't takes its previous place but almost all space of the panel, reducing the room left for the other panel.
>
>
currently work is ongoing to integrate the gallery. The navigator and stylist should be also integrated. But there are of course questions how exactly. Some users might prefer to have both visible and docked, how would it be in the sidebar? We have to figure out what is best and what works best. We can probably do not everything for 4.0 but it's good to collect feedback and ideas. The currently floating table toolbar is also a candidate for integration in the sidebar. Volunteers are welcome to help ;-)
Long term it would be perfect if users can configure the content of the decks similar to toolbars today. But all this is a lot of work and has to be done. We need much more core basics like a working layout engine etc.
We will see how our users will accept the sidebar in general and it is only the beginning.
I personally like the sidebar and believe it will be a really huge step forward to increase the usability.
Juergen
>
> Hagar
>
>
> Le 21/03/2013 21:14, Regina Henschel a écrit :
>
> > Hi Andre,
> >
> > do you want, that I post the problem I find here in the thread, or write an issue?
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Regina
> >
> >
> > Andre Fischer schrieb:
> > > Hello everybody,
> > >
> > > The two most important improvements since my last update:
> > > - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area,
> > > Position and Size, Graphics, Page)
> > > - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
> > > appear in the finished sidebar. The missing panels are replaced by
> > > placeholders for the time being.
> > >
> > > More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel,
> > > context) as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the
> > > Wiki page [1].
> > >
> > > The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
> > > sidebar. But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a
> > > little more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.
> > >
> > >
> > > But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject.
> > > Please go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
> > > But please not that this is work in progress. Do not use it to work on
> > > important documents.
> > >
> > > If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a
> > > short section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you
> > > find all the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be
> > > visible for each context.
> > >
> > > Have fun,
> > > Andre
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar
> > > [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds
> > > [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#QA
> > >
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
Nice.
I use to dock Stylist and Navigator. When the Sidebar is docked below one of them, if you hide it and then display it (with View menu), it doesn't takes its previous place but almost all space of the panel, reducing the room left for the other panel.
Hagar
Le 21/03/2013 21:14, Regina Henschel a écrit :
> Hi Andre,
>
> do you want, that I post the problem I find here in the thread, or write an issue?
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
>
>
> Andre Fischer schrieb:
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> The two most important improvements since my last update:
>> - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area,
>> Position and Size, Graphics, Page)
>> - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
>> appear in the finished sidebar. The missing panels are replaced by
>> placeholders for the time being.
>>
>> More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel,
>> context) as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the
>> Wiki page [1].
>>
>> The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
>> sidebar. But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a
>> little more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.
>>
>>
>> But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject.
>> Please go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
>> But please not that this is work in progress. Do not use it to work on
>> important documents.
>>
>> If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a
>> short section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you
>> find all the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be
>> visible for each context.
>>
>> Have fun,
>> Andre
>>
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar
>> [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds
>> [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#QA
>>
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Andre Fischer <aw...@gmail.com>.
On 21.03.2013 21:14, Regina Henschel wrote:
> Hi Andre,
>
> do you want, that I post the problem I find here in the thread, or
> write an issue?
Regina, Hagar, anybody else who finds bugs:
yes, please write an issue for everything you find. Please see [1] for
some simple things that would help me keep track of them
Depending on how many you find I will maintain a list on the wiki [1]
about all/the most severe ones.
Thanks,
Andre
[1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Known_Bugs
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
>
>
> Andre Fischer schrieb:
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> The two most important improvements since my last update:
>> - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area,
>> Position and Size, Graphics, Page)
>> - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
>> appear in the finished sidebar. The missing panels are replaced by
>> placeholders for the time being.
>>
>> More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel,
>> context) as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the
>> Wiki page [1].
>>
>> The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
>> sidebar. But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a
>> little more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about
>> it.
>>
>>
>> But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject.
>> Please go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred
>> platform.
>> But please not that this is work in progress. Do not use it to work on
>> important documents.
>>
>> If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a
>> short section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you
>> find all the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be
>> visible for each context.
>>
>> Have fun,
>> Andre
>>
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar
>> [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds
>> [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#QA
>>
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Regina Henschel <rb...@t-online.de>.
Hi Andre,
do you want, that I post the problem I find here in the thread, or write
an issue?
Kind regards
Regina
Andre Fischer schrieb:
> Hello everybody,
>
> The two most important improvements since my last update:
> - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area,
> Position and Size, Graphics, Page)
> - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
> appear in the finished sidebar. The missing panels are replaced by
> placeholders for the time being.
>
> More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel,
> context) as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the
> Wiki page [1].
>
> The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
> sidebar. But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a
> little more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.
>
>
> But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject.
> Please go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
> But please not that this is work in progress. Do not use it to work on
> important documents.
>
> If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a
> short section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you
> find all the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be
> visible for each context.
>
> Have fun,
> Andre
>
>
> [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar
> [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds
> [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#QA
>
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>.
Just trying it out now and the sidebar is awesome.
Nice.
Louis
On 13-03-21, at 12:54 , RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2013/3/21 Andre Fischer <aw...@gmail.com>
>
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> The two most important improvements since my last update:
>> - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area, Position
>> and Size, Graphics, Page)
>> - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
>> appear in the finished sidebar. The missing panels are replaced by
>> placeholders for the time being.
>>
>> More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel, context)
>> as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the Wiki page
>> [1].
>>
>> The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
>> sidebar. But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a little
>> more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.
>>
>>
>> But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject. Please
>> go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
>> But please not that this is work in progress. Do not use it to work on
>> important documents.
>>
>> If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a short
>> section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you find all
>> the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be visible for
>> each context.
>>
>> Have fun,
>> Andre
>>
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar>
>> [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds>
>> [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#QA<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#QA>
>>
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>
> The link on the wiki to the 64 bits rpm is wrong. It says "...rom_en..."
> instead of "...rpm_en..."
>
> Anyway, downloading right now :)
>
> Regards
> Ricardo
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Mechtilde <oo...@mechtilde.de>.
Hello,
can someone fix also the link to the DEBs.
I get the error "Forbidden"
Kind regards
Mechtilde
Am 21.03.2013 18:00, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
> On 3/21/13 5:54 PM, RGB ES wrote:
>> 2013/3/21 Andre Fischer <aw...@gmail.com>
>>
>>> Hello everybody,
>>>
>>> The two most important improvements since my last update:
>>> - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area, Position
>>> and Size, Graphics, Page)
>>> - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
>>> appear in the finished sidebar. The missing panels are replaced by
>>> placeholders for the time being.
>>>
>>> More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel, context)
>>> as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the Wiki page
>>> [1].
>>>
>>> The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
>>> sidebar. But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a little
>>> more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject. Please
>>> go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
>>> But please not that this is work in progress. Do not use it to work on
>>> important documents.
>>>
>>> If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a short
>>> section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you find all
>>> the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be visible for
>>> each context.
>>>
>>> Have fun,
>>> Andre
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar>
>>> [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds>
>>> [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#QA<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#QA>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>> The link on the wiki to the 64 bits rpm is wrong. It says "...rom_en..."
>> instead of "...rpm_en..."
>
> fixed
>
>>
>> Anyway, downloading right now :)
>>
>> Regards
>> Ricardo
>>
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 3/21/13 6:00 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 3/21/13 5:54 PM, RGB ES wrote:
>> 2013/3/21 Andre Fischer <aw...@gmail.com>
>>
>>> Hello everybody,
>>>
>>> The two most important improvements since my last update:
>>> - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area, Position
>>> and Size, Graphics, Page)
>>> - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
>>> appear in the finished sidebar. The missing panels are replaced by
>>> placeholders for the time being.
>>>
>>> More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel, context)
>>> as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the Wiki page
>>> [1].
>>>
>>> The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
>>> sidebar. But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a little
>>> more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject. Please
>>> go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
>>> But please not that this is work in progress. Do not use it to work on
>>> important documents.
>>>
>>> If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a short
>>> section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you find all
>>> the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be visible for
>>> each context.
>>>
>>> Have fun,
>>> Andre
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar>
>>> [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds>
>>> [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#QA<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#QA>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>> The link on the wiki to the 64 bits rpm is wrong. It says "...rom_en..."
>> instead of "...rpm_en..."
>
> fixed
to avoid confusion, this builds are based on the sidebar branch which is
not yet rebased to trunk, means still OpenOffice.org as name and version
is 3.5.
Juergen
>
>>
>> Anyway, downloading right now :)
>>
>> Regards
>> Ricardo
>>
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Mechtilde <oo...@mechtilde.de>.
Hello Jürgen,
thanks now installation and starting works
Kind regards
Mechtilde
Am 21.03.2013 18:24, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
> On 3/21/13 6:13 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:00:03 +0100
>> Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/21/13 5:54 PM, RGB ES wrote:
>>>> 2013/3/21 Andre Fischer <aw...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello everybody,
>>>>>
>>>>> The two most important improvements since my last update:
>>>>> - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area, Position
>>>>> and Size, Graphics, Page)
>>>>> - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
>>>>> appear in the finished sidebar. The missing panels are replaced by
>>>>> placeholders for the time being.
>>>>>
>>>>> More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel, context)
>>>>> as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the Wiki page
>>>>> [1].
>>>>>
>>>>> The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
>>>>> sidebar. But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a little
>>>>> more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject. Please
>>>>> go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
>>>>> But please not that this is work in progress. Do not use it to work on
>>>>> important documents.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a short
>>>>> section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you find all
>>>>> the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be visible for
>>>>> each context.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have fun,
>>>>> Andre
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar>
>>>>> [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds>
>>>>> [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#QA<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#QA>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The link on the wiki to the 64 bits rpm is wrong. It says "...rom_en..."
>>>> instead of "...rpm_en..."
>>>
>>> fixed
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, downloading right now :)
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Ricardo
>>>>
>> I'm getting a "You don't have permission to access /~jsc/developer-snapshots/snapshot/linux_x86-64/Apache_OpenOffice-Dev_AOO350m1_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz on this server." on the DEB and the Windows versions. OK on the RPM and the Mac versions.
>>
>
> fixed for both, one day I will learn to check the permissions ;-)
>
> Juergen
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 3/21/13 6:13 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:00:03 +0100
> Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 3/21/13 5:54 PM, RGB ES wrote:
>>> 2013/3/21 Andre Fischer <aw...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Hello everybody,
>>>>
>>>> The two most important improvements since my last update:
>>>> - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area, Position
>>>> and Size, Graphics, Page)
>>>> - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
>>>> appear in the finished sidebar. The missing panels are replaced by
>>>> placeholders for the time being.
>>>>
>>>> More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel, context)
>>>> as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the Wiki page
>>>> [1].
>>>>
>>>> The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
>>>> sidebar. But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a little
>>>> more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject. Please
>>>> go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
>>>> But please not that this is work in progress. Do not use it to work on
>>>> important documents.
>>>>
>>>> If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a short
>>>> section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you find all
>>>> the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be visible for
>>>> each context.
>>>>
>>>> Have fun,
>>>> Andre
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar>
>>>> [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds>
>>>> [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#QA<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#QA>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>> The link on the wiki to the 64 bits rpm is wrong. It says "...rom_en..."
>>> instead of "...rpm_en..."
>>
>> fixed
>>
>>>
>>> Anyway, downloading right now :)
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Ricardo
>>>
> I'm getting a "You don't have permission to access /~jsc/developer-snapshots/snapshot/linux_x86-64/Apache_OpenOffice-Dev_AOO350m1_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz on this server." on the DEB and the Windows versions. OK on the RPM and the Mac versions.
>
fixed for both, one day I will learn to check the permissions ;-)
Juergen
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:00:03 +0100
Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/21/13 5:54 PM, RGB ES wrote:
> > 2013/3/21 Andre Fischer <aw...@gmail.com>
> >
> >> Hello everybody,
> >>
> >> The two most important improvements since my last update:
> >> - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area, Position
> >> and Size, Graphics, Page)
> >> - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
> >> appear in the finished sidebar. The missing panels are replaced by
> >> placeholders for the time being.
> >>
> >> More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel, context)
> >> as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the Wiki page
> >> [1].
> >>
> >> The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
> >> sidebar. But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a little
> >> more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.
> >>
> >>
> >> But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject. Please
> >> go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
> >> But please not that this is work in progress. Do not use it to work on
> >> important documents.
> >>
> >> If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a short
> >> section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you find all
> >> the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be visible for
> >> each context.
> >>
> >> Have fun,
> >> Andre
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar>
> >> [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds>
> >> [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#QA<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#QA>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >
> > The link on the wiki to the 64 bits rpm is wrong. It says "...rom_en..."
> > instead of "...rpm_en..."
>
> fixed
>
> >
> > Anyway, downloading right now :)
> >
> > Regards
> > Ricardo
> >
I'm getting a "You don't have permission to access /~jsc/developer-snapshots/snapshot/linux_x86-64/Apache_OpenOffice-Dev_AOO350m1_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz on this server." on the DEB and the Windows versions. OK on the RPM and the Mac versions.
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 3/21/13 5:54 PM, RGB ES wrote:
> 2013/3/21 Andre Fischer <aw...@gmail.com>
>
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> The two most important improvements since my last update:
>> - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area, Position
>> and Size, Graphics, Page)
>> - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
>> appear in the finished sidebar. The missing panels are replaced by
>> placeholders for the time being.
>>
>> More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel, context)
>> as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the Wiki page
>> [1].
>>
>> The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
>> sidebar. But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a little
>> more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.
>>
>>
>> But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject. Please
>> go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
>> But please not that this is work in progress. Do not use it to work on
>> important documents.
>>
>> If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a short
>> section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you find all
>> the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be visible for
>> each context.
>>
>> Have fun,
>> Andre
>>
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar>
>> [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds>
>> [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#QA<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#QA>
>>
>>
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> The link on the wiki to the 64 bits rpm is wrong. It says "...rom_en..."
> instead of "...rpm_en..."
fixed
>
> Anyway, downloading right now :)
>
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> Ricardo
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Re: [sidebar] Snapshot builds are available
Posted by RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com>.
2013/3/21 Andre Fischer <aw...@gmail.com>
> Hello everybody,
>
> The two most important improvements since my last update:
> - There are some more panels migrated from Symphony (Line, Area, Position
> and Size, Graphics, Page)
> - Context switching works and shows the decks and panels as they should
> appear in the finished sidebar. The missing panels are replaced by
> placeholders for the time being.
>
> More information and an explanation of the concepts (deck, panel, context)
> as well as short descriptions of the panels can be found on the Wiki page
> [1].
>
> The most important thing I have not (yet) done is: blogging about the
> sidebar. But the implementation is now in a state that deserves a little
> more publicity so I will see if I find the time to write about it.
>
>
> But now to the snapshot builds that I have promised in the subject. Please
> go to [2] to find the installation set for your preferred platform.
> But please not that this is work in progress. Do not use it to work on
> important documents.
>
> If you are interested in doing QA on the sidebar feature, there is a short
> section [3] that lists three simple documents that will help you find all
> the different contexts and that tell you which panels should be visible for
> each context.
>
> Have fun,
> Andre
>
>
> [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar>
> [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds>
> [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#QA<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#QA>
>
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The link on the wiki to the 64 bits rpm is wrong. It says "...rom_en..."
instead of "...rpm_en..."
Anyway, downloading right now :)
Regards
Ricardo