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Bug #: 52322
Summary: Providing BBC developed httpd modules for inclusion in
the standard distribution.
Product: Apache httpd-2
Version: 2.2.21
Platform: PC
Status: NEW
Severity: normal
Priority: P2
Component: Other Modules
AssignedTo: bugs@httpd.apache.org
ReportedBy: simon.lucy@bbc.co.uk
Classification: Unclassified
Created attachment 28068
--> https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=28068
tar of BBC module contributions, mod_firehose, firehose, mod_combine,
mod_policy
Over the past few years the BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation) has
developed a set of modules which it uses as part of its standard httpd
configuration. The BBC would like to contribute a number of modules which are
of generic use and which could form part of the standard distribution. Apart
from helping to fulfill the BBC's public service remit it will also allow other
eyes to improve and develop the modules if needed.
The three modules in this contribution are:
mod_firehose and firehose
mod_firehose reflects original requests over a pipe and allows them to be
recorded on demand on a remote machine which means that local disk resources
are not required.
mod_combine
mod_combine is an aggregator of static files such as css and javascript to
combine files of the same type and eliminate duplicates.
mod_policy
mod_policy is a filter to enforce policies such as cacheing rules and the
standard use of headers.
Each individual directory within the tar includes a README which should cover
the purpose and use of each module.
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--- Comment #12 from Simon Lucy <si...@bbc.co.uk> 2012-03-09 09:54:08 UTC ---
Actually the (c) notice is the British Broadcasting Corporation, I can confirm
(as the responsible manager) that the portions of code relevant to the solution
written for the BBC was undertaken solely by Graham under contract to the BBC.
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--- Comment #13 from William A. Rowe Jr. <wr...@apache.org> 2012-03-26 21:02:57 UTC ---
Sam,
the project voted to accept two of the three submitted modules for inclusion at
the httpd project; firehose and policy. The combine module was not accepted.
Graham and Simon reply, and ask if their responses address all of your concerns
as VP, legal. Please advise us this week.
We'll go on the presumption that no further word from you means that your
concerns were asked-and-answered already by Graham and Simon.
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--- Comment #14 from William A. Rowe Jr. <wr...@apache.org> 2012-03-28 06:24:41 UTC ---
I am marking this for closure as needinfo.
The firehose and policy modules were voted for acceptance and the combine
module was rejected.
Either Graham has further comments vis a vie importing the policy module,
or Sam has comments on IP clearance. If nobody has comments in the coming
week, this ticket should be closed. We use the issue tracker for reporting
defects and limited enhancement requests, but not for operations.
Thanks all.
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--- Comment #3 from Simon Lucy <si...@bbc.co.uk> 2011-12-19 15:23:11 UTC ---
Yes, the original reason for making it one rather than three is that its a
single BBC ticket.
mod_firehose has been accepted
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/mod/mod_firehose.html
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--- Comment #10 from Graham Leggett <mi...@sharp.fm> 2012-03-05 19:45:49 UTC ---
Sam, can you confirm for me that the following notices in the source are
sufficient? The code for both is licensed under the ASL:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/httpd/trunk/modules/test/mod_policy.c
/*
* Originally written @ BBC by Graham Leggett
* (C) 2011 British Broadcasting Corporation
*/
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/httpd/trunk/modules/debugging/mod_firehose.c
/*
* Originally written @ Covalent by Jim Jagielski
* Modified to support writing to non blocking pipes @ BBC by Graham Leggett
* Modifications (C) 2011 British Broadcasting Corporation
*/
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--- Comment #7 from Simon Lucy <si...@bbc.co.uk> 2012-03-01 09:47:08 UTC ---
The 'dog in the manger' was in relation to the tenor and lack of content other
than rejection in your comment.
All it takes is simple exposition of what is needed, something I understand
that Apache as a whole finds difficult to follow.
As for my remark about acceptance being premature I imagine the existence of
the documentation at that link somehow confused me.
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--- Comment #1 from Nick Kew <ni...@webthing.com> 2011-12-13 11:39:40 UTC ---
These would of course have to be discussed on the public dev list, with a view
to possible inclusion in a future release (which is extremely unlikely to be
2.2).
At a glance, licensing is right, documentation is far from right, and code
could use some tidying.
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--- Comment #4 from William A. Rowe Jr. <wr...@apache.org> 2012-02-29 06:55:09 UTC ---
I don't really want to take this discussion to the bug tracker, however
it's necessary correct your misstatement (or at least, premature statement);
"mod_firehose has been accepted"
That code will be reverted in the coming days, because an IP clearance form
was not properly routed, and the destination to which it was committed was
not acceptable to the community.
The committer in this case persistently failed to honor their own proposal
to incubate these as distinct sub-projects, so at this point the code
submission is in a state of limbo, with an active veto over the manner
in which it was contributed.
Hopefully that individual will correct their error, tender the contribution
as initially proposed, including the correct code grant paperwork to the
secretary@apache.org, IP clearance through general@incubator.apache.org
and creation of three sub-projects (similar to mod_mbox, mod_fcgid etc).
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--- Comment #9 from Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> 2012-03-02 18:41:34 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #8)
>
> Roy Fielding confirms that the code grant process is NOT necessary per his
> interaction with the legal committee, as the project's former chair.
Speaking as the current VP, Legal Affairs, a code grant is the preferred way of
handling such situations; that being said I will confirm that an ICLA is
sufficient IF the PMC is prepared to demonstrate that the conditions under
sections 7 of the Individual Contributor License Agreement ("Agreement") V2.0
have been satisfied, and that the terms specified are acceptable to the
Foundation:
http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt
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--- Comment #8 from William A. Rowe Jr. <wr...@apache.org> 2012-03-02 04:47:38 UTC ---
It appears we have consensus on handling of mod_firehose, the vote continues
another 2.5 days. I'll submit clarified votes over the next two days on
mod_policy, followed by mod_combine, with updates to this ticket as each is
approved (or not).
Roy Fielding confirms that the code grant process is NOT necessary per his
interaction with the legal committee, as the project's former chair. There
appears to be no further issue other than clarifying that each of these three
modules are independently accepted as either modules or subprojects of httpd,
or not, and committing the code into the agreed-upon repository.
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--- Comment #11 from William A. Rowe Jr. <wr...@apache.org> 2012-03-08 00:22:22 UTC ---
Sam, please comment on comment #10 (added you to cc on this ticket).
Graham, you claim all of this code is your own creation (at the BBC) and not
a broader effort including other (non-committer) BBC employees? That is what
your copyright banner states and if so, I believe Sam's concern on 7. should
be satisfied.
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--- Comment #6 from William A. Rowe Jr. <wr...@apache.org> 2012-02-29 15:09:30 UTC ---
To clarify, donation of the IP is *not* necessary. All that is needed is the
licensing under the AL. The process is here;
http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html
and here is one example of how this played out for a particular submission;
http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/httpd-mod_fcgid.html
The license agreement to explicitly assign the ASF the license to these works
would be here;
http://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt
To further correct your misunderstanding, "dog in the manger" is not the issue
here. There are hundreds of add-in modules for Apache httpd. Very few become
'core' modules in the primary distribution. Some dozen or so are also from
the ASF (from httpd, tomcat, perl and other projects) and available as separate
packages/releases. This is not for lack of (or disrespect for) user interest.
In fact, the subprojects at httpd were initially created for edge cases which
didn't have broad appeal, perhaps, but enjoy a narrow and active audience.
Code is only entertained in core upon broad acceptance by the -developers- of
Apache httpd, not so much its user audience, because those developers assume
responsibility for the code. Primary antibodies in the process exist to target
'code dumps', wherein lines of code is dumped into a project without
maintainers
to follow through, and insufficient interest/attention of the other developers.
Subprojects provide a channel for interested users to adopt modules very early
in their ASF-lifespan, attract patches and improvements, and demonstrate that
a group of maintainers has been established.
The actual discussion of accepting these three submissions needs to return to
dev@, I simply needed to correct your misunderstanding in comment #3, that this
donation was not yet executed appropriately and therefore not yet accepted.
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--- Comment #5 from Simon Lucy <si...@bbc.co.uk> 2012-02-29 10:52:25 UTC ---
Well you just did take the discussion to the bug.
As I'm not party to any such discussion or even aware that there was a problem
I'm afraid that this just looks like typical Apache nonsense.
These are apache modules, they don't warrant I believe an incubation project.
The BBC is even willing to donate the IP of this code if that makes it simpler
but to be honest this dog in the manger attitude is just another example of why
it is extremely difficult to get corporations to take Apache seriously at this
point.
Now if there are practical steps to take please detail them with at least some
evidence of authority in making those steps a requirement.
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--- Comment #2 from William A. Rowe Jr. <wr...@apache.org> 2011-12-13 17:53:44 UTC ---
Shouldn't this be three bugs, since each is distinct? (This could become a
parent ticket, of course).
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