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Re: Hyphenation foundry

Jörg,

On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 11:15:42PM +0200, J.Pietschmann wrote:
> Simon Pepping wrote:
> >I think it is time to create a project for the hyphenation files at
> >Sourceforge. The project should be a home for all sorts of accessories
> >to FOP, or even to FO processors in general. Do you want to
> >participate? Do you know a nice name?
> 
> Well, sf.net would appeal to a larger body of developers, I think,
> and is certainly easier to menage for small projects, but we
> can also ask on jakarta-commons, xml-commons and even declare it
> a FOP (or XML graphics) subproject.

It is up to you to decide where you want your efforts to be host it. I
am happy to present it in a sf.net project, but there is little more
that I can do. Do you want to pursue these efforts further, or do you
want to make them available to others who might be interested? I am
afraid that is always a difficult proposition without active
recruitment.
 
> Anyway, I just uploaded
>  http://cvs.apache.org/~pietsch/t.tar.gz
> which contains several unfinished stuff I produced the last year:
> - Utilities to generate tables for the Unicode line break property
> - A class keeping a line break state according to TR14, which should
>   be easier to usee than the java.text.BreakIterator for FOP
> - A Java port of MySpell
> - An attempt at providing a layered hierarchy for spell checking
>  and hyphenation interfaces.
> - A Java port of the link grammar parser (incomplete, badly designed,
>  buggy and without approvement of the original authors, *please* use
>  only for personal study, don't redistribute).
> - An attempt at a morphological analyzer for german words.
> Somehow, the simple port of patgen as well as other attempts at
> simplifying the current FOP hyphenator are missing, I hope I
> remember to upload them tomorrow.

I see in the tar file two parts: java code and data. Would it be
useful to indicate which parts of the code belong to each of the above
items?

>  buggy and without approvement of the original authors, *please* use
>  only for personal study, don't redistribute).

This would not exclude making it available on a public web page?

Regarding your items to chew on, would you want these to be part of a
web page for this code?

Regards, Simon

-- 
Simon Pepping
home page: http://www.leverkruid.nl


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Re: Hyphenation foundry

Posted by Simon Pepping <sp...@leverkruid.nl>.
Jörg,

On Sun, Jun 20, 2004 at 10:08:46PM +0200, J.Pietschmann wrote:
> Simon Pepping wrote:
> >This would not exclude making it available on a public web page?
> Yes. I'll replace the tarball with another one without the link
> parser but including the PatGen code. Unfortunately I detected the
> problem only after I uploaded the file and started composing the
> message, and I thought I'd leave it for now lest the other work
> go unnoticed.

OK. I am not in a hurry.
 
> >Regarding your items to chew on, would you want these to be part of a
> >web page for this code?
> Why not?

Sure. Just wanted to confirm.

Regards, Simon

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home page: http://www.leverkruid.nl


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Re: Hyphenation foundry

Posted by "J.Pietschmann" <j3...@yahoo.de>.
Simon Pepping wrote:
> Do you want to pursue these efforts further, or do you
> want to make them available to others who might be interested?

I wanted to make my current code available to others, in particular
the PatGen port (which unfortunately went missing), in order to
avoid unnecessary duplication  of work.

> This would not exclude making it available on a public web page?
Yes. I'll replace the tarball with another one without the link
parser but including the PatGen code. Unfortunately I detected the
problem only after I uploaded the file and started composing the
message, and I thought I'd leave it for now lest the other work
go unnoticed.

> Regarding your items to chew on, would you want these to be part of a
> web page for this code?
Why not?

J.Pietschmann


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Re: Hyphenation foundry

Posted by Clay Leeds <cl...@medata.com>.
On Jun 20, 2004, at 12:14 PM, Simon Pepping wrote:
> Jörg,
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 11:15:42PM +0200, J.Pietschmann wrote:
>> Simon Pepping wrote:
>>> I think it is time to create a project for the hyphenation files at
>>> Sourceforge. The project should be a home for all sorts of 
>>> accessories
>>> to FOP, or even to FO processors in general. Do you want to
>>> participate? Do you know a nice name?
>>
>> Well, sf.net would appeal to a larger body of developers, I think,
>> and is certainly easier to menage for small projects, but we
>> can also ask on jakarta-commons, xml-commons and even declare it
>> a FOP (or XML graphics) subproject.
>
> It is up to you to decide where you want your efforts to be host it. I
> am happy to present it in a sf.net project, but there is little more
> that I can do. Do you want to pursue these efforts further, or do you
> want to make them available to others who might be interested? I am
> afraid that is always a difficult proposition without active
> recruitment.

Echoing Simon... Bring it on! The more (components, peripherals & toys) 
the merrier!... However if active recruitment is required be prepared 
for... well, active recruiting...

as for a project name, how about calling it:

The XSL-FO Toybox
=================
http://xslfo-toy-box.sourceforge.net/

or simply:

The Toybox
=================
http://toybox.sourceforge.net/

or:

Toys
====
http://toys.sourceforge.net/

Toys for Geeks
==============
http://toys-for-geeks.sourceforge.net/

XML Toys
========
http://xmltoys.sourceforge.net/

Java XML Toys
=============
http://javaxmltoys.sourceforge.net/

or something... I think I like XMLToys...

>> Anyway, I just uploaded
>>  http://cvs.apache.org/~pietsch/t.tar.gz
>> which contains several unfinished stuff I produced the last year:
>> - Utilities to generate tables for the Unicode line break property
>> - A class keeping a line break state according to TR14, which should
>>   be easier to usee than the java.text.BreakIterator for FOP
>> - A Java port of MySpell
>> - An attempt at providing a layered hierarchy for spell checking
>>  and hyphenation interfaces.
>> - A Java port of the link grammar parser (incomplete, badly designed,
>>  buggy and without approvement of the original authors, *please* use
>>  only for personal study, don't redistribute).
>> - An attempt at a morphological analyzer for german words.
>> Somehow, the simple port of patgen as well as other attempts at
>> simplifying the current FOP hyphenator are missing, I hope I
>> remember to upload them tomorrow.
>
> I see in the tar file two parts: java code and data. Would it be
> useful to indicate which parts of the code belong to each of the above
> items?

Perhaps a classification system such as this for the

project-name/applications/[insert apps here]
project-name/peripherals/[insert peripherals here]
project-name/examples/[insert examples here]
project-name/so-on/[insert so-on here]
project-name/docs/[insert docs here]
project-name/wiki/[insert wiki here]


>>  buggy and without approvement of the original authors, *please* use
>>  only for personal study, don't redistribute).
>
> This would not exclude making it available on a public web page?
>
> Regarding your items to chew on, would you want these to be part of a
> web page for this code?
>
> Regards, Simon
>
> -- 
> Simon Pepping
> home page: http://www.leverkruid.nl

Sounds llike something of a non-trivial undertaking... :-) Sounds like 
fun!

Web Maestro Clay - <we...@mac.com>
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