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Posted to user@openmeetings.apache.org by George Kirkham <gk...@co2crc.com.au> on 2012/07/17 06:02:23 UTC
RE: Ubuntu Install Guide Update - update-rc.d red5 defaults
Tom, Steve,
Stephen’s installation instructions say to run “update-rc.d red5 defaults” to allow the script to be run when the server starts up, but my script was not compliant so this step failed. My apologises. I have now updated my script so that “update-rc.d red5 defaults” will work, but you may want to do a “update-rc.d -f red5 remove” first to remove any previous configuration.
Openmeetings does work running as nobody if all is configured that way.
You can run OpenMeetings in a variety of ways, but for security reasons the supported method is to run the /usr/lib/red5/red5.sh script as nobody, as per the instructions. Please run OpenMeetings as per the instructions, where the instructions don’t work please report the issues so they can be fixed.
And you were correct, the /etc/init.d/red5 script has to be run as root, just like all the other scripts in that folder. The /etc/init.d/red5 script will start the red5 server running as the user nobody, if it is configured this way.
NB: It is possible to run red5 on other port numbers than port 5080 but if you use a port below 1024 then you do need to run OpenMeetings using a root account.
See these sites for further details;
http://www.debianadmin.com/manage-linux-init-or-startup-scripts.html
To restate, Stephen’s installation instructions state;
update-rc.d red5 defaults
And when run against my previous red5 script;
root@om64u-1:/home/itsupport# update-rc.d red5 defaults
update-rc.d: warning: /etc/init.d/red5 missing LSB information
update-rc.d: see <http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts>
System start/stop links for /etc/init.d/red5 already exist.
Sadly my red5.ubuntu did not past the requirements for a start up script so I have had to modify it.
http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts states “LSB-compliant init scripts need to:
provide, at least, the following actions: start, stop, restart, force-reload, and status”
After making a change to my red5 script, I had to remove any previous configurations
# update-rc.d -f red5 remove
And then I could use update-rc.d to register my script to be run when the server starts.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
From: Tom Judge [mailto:judget@learnubuntu.org]
Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2012 12:46 PM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Ubuntu Install Guide Update
OK here is what I am testiung on my system
I am using georges red5 startup script installed in my /etc/init.d/ folder
I made a user named red and added it to the root group
sudo adduser red5 root
and bla etc
then I did a chown -R red5 /usr/lib/red5
finally imodified georges startup script to use the user red instead of nobody
now i will see if this fixes the upload of video and office docs as I suspect it may
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On Mon, 2012-07-16 at 22:19 -0400, Steve Baumgartner wrote:
That is a good question I would like to know also. Is there a way to view the files you have uploaded in the app without being in a room?
Steve Baumgartner
Owner
SMB Computers
M +1 614 743 3166
Grove City, Ohio, USA
steve@smbcomputers.net
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Judge [mailto:judget@learnubuntu.org]
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:05 PM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Ubuntu Install Guide Update
Where do uploaded videos and files go I think I have a permissions issue with the way I installed this build. Nothing will upload and I cant remember where the target directory is formuploads
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On Tue, 2012-07-17 at 12:01 +1000, George Kirkham wrote:
> Steve,
>
>
>
> Thanks for that, just good to know what works. This script has just
> helped Tom as well.
>
>
>
> I will ask Stephen to check on the line that runs the red5 server.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> George Kirkham
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Steve Baumgartner [mailto:steve@smbcomputers.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2012 10:37 AM
> To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Ubuntu Install Guide Update
>
>
>
>
> The contents of what you sent in the red5.ubuntu
>
>
>
> Steve Baumgartner
>
> Owner
>
> SMB Computers
>
>
>
> M +1 614 743 3166
>
> Grove City, Ohio, USA
>
> steve@smbcomputers.net
>
>
>
> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they
> are addressed.
> If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender
> immediately.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:30 PM
> To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Ubuntu Install Guide Update
>
>
>
>
> Steve,
>
>
>
> “Replacing that script fixed the issue”, what did you replace the
> script with ?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> George Kirkham
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Steve Baumgartner [mailto:steve@smbcomputers.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2012 10:16 AM
> To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Ubuntu Install Guide Update
>
>
>
>
> Replacing that script fixed the issue. I had no issue this time.
>
>
>
> Steve Baumgartner
>
> Owner
>
> SMB Computers
>
>
>
> M +1 614 743 3166
>
> Grove City, Ohio, USA
>
> steve@smbcomputers.net
>
>
>
> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they
> are addressed.
> If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender
> immediately.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:04 PM
> To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Ubuntu Install Guide Update
>
>
>
>
> Steve,
>
>
>
> If you get issues like that, please report them, 1) because people can
> then advise how to resolve, 2) update the doco, 3) your installation
> is not likely to work correctly if there are issues.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> George Kirkham
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: steve@smbcomputers.net [mailto:steve@smbcomputers.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2012 10:01 AM
> To: judget@learnubuntu.org; openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu Install Guide Update
>
>
>
>
> I always got that the last 4 times I installed. Still works.
>
> Sent from my HTC smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint!
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Tom Judge" <ju...@learnubuntu.org>
> To: <op...@incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Ubuntu Install Guide Update
> Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:47 pm
>
>
> When I try to use the startup script as /etc/init.d/red5 start I get
> this message
>
>
> > judget@openmeeting:/etc/init.d$ sudo /etc/init.d/red5 start
> > start-stop-daemon: --start needs --exec or --startas Try
> > 'start-stop-daemon --help' for more information.
>
>
> This is using Ubuntu 10.04
>
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> On Tue, 2012-07-17 at 00:08 +1000, Stephen Cottham wrote:
> > HI All,
> >
> >
> >
> > Guide has been updated with the following changes:
> >
> >
> >
> > 1) Java install is using a single wget with auto accepting
> cookie
> > – no two step procedure now… nice and simple
> >
> > 2) Fixed issues with symbols being converted when copying and
> > pasting
> >
> > 3) Fixed text wrapping so each command is seen as a single line
> >
> > 4) Various changes to the structure
> >
> >
> >
> > Please let me know if this has now resolved the troubles seen
> > yesterday.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27838216/Inst
> alling+OM2.x+On+Ubuntu64+-+Headless.pdf?version=7&modificationDate=134
> 2447291239
> >
> >
> >
> > Best Regards
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: Ubuntu Install Guide Update - update-rc.d red5 defaults
Posted by Tom Judge <ju...@learnubuntu.org>.
Ok george I installed the new scrip using the new user nobody
curious but I could not find the difference in your script. I am
curious, could u point it out later. I was looking for the force-reload
section as it appeared you had all of the others mentioned in the wiki.
reset permissions on the /usr/lib/red5 to be owned by nobody recursively
chown -R nobody /usr/lib/red5
FYI the issue I was having was not so much the script starting red5 but
the inability to upload anything which seemed to be permissions related.
I say that because if I start the red5 with the /usr/lib/re5.sh as root
I can do uploads of video clips, office docs and the record test also
works
I did the update-rc.d -f red5 remove and then update-rc.d red5 defaults
without any of the previous errors, which is a good sign
OK so now with the new scrip installed, computer rebooted here is what
we have:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
root@openmeeting:/home/judget# /etc/init.d/red5 checkports
tcp6 0 0 :::1935 :::*
LISTEN 862/java
tcp6 0 0 :::9999 :::*
LISTEN 862/java
tcp6 0 0 :::8088 :::*
LISTEN 862/java
tcp6 0 0 :::5080 :::*
LISTEN 862/java
tcp6 0 0 :::58683 :::*
LISTEN 862/java
tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:60071 127.0.0.1:3306
ESTABLISHED 862/java
root@openmeeting:/home/judget# /etc/init.d/red5 status
start-stop-daemon: unrecognized option '--status'
Try 'start-stop-daemon --help' for more information.
$red5 is not running
root@openmeeting:/home/judget# /etc/init.d/red5 stop
root@openmeeting:/home/judget# /etc/init.d/red5 checkports
root@openmeeting:/home/judget#
root@openmeeting:/home/judget# /etc/init.d/red5 start
root@openmeeting:/home/judget# /etc/init.d/red5 checkports
tcp6 0 0 :::1935 :::*
LISTEN 2061/java
tcp6 0 0 :::9999 :::*
LISTEN 2061/java
tcp6 0 0 :::60633 :::*
LISTEN 2061/java
tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:9999 127.0.0.1:58190
ESTABLISHED 2061/java
tcp6 0 0 127.0.1.1:56762 127.0.1.1:60633
ESTABLISHED 2061/java
tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:58190 127.0.0.1:9999
ESTABLISHED 2061/java
tcp6 0 0 127.0.1.1:60633 127.0.1.1:56762
ESTABLISHED 2061/java
tcp6 0 0 192.168.0.20:41727 64.95.112.228:80
ESTABLISHED 2061/java
root@openmeeting:/home/judget# /etc/init.d/red5 status
start-stop-daemon: unrecognized option '--status'
Try 'start-stop-daemon --help' for more information.
$red5 is not running
hmmmmmmmm interresting because it certainly is running as the checkports
shows
anyway I changed all the permissions back, installed your updated script
and now the uploads seem to be working correctly, go-figure?? last night
it appeared to be a permissions issue and today everything is ok except
for the /etc/init.d/red5 status not returning the proper response
I will look for you tonight (your morning) on your server. And thanks
for your help. This init scripting is an area of keen interest to me as
I want to include this in my Ubuntu Basic Administration course . Again
I extend my offer to you to participate in that as your time may allow.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Tue, 2012-07-17 at 14:02 +1000, George Kirkham wrote:
> Tom, Steve,
>
>
>
> Stephen’s installation instructions say to run “update-rc.d red5
> defaults” to allow the script to be run when the server starts up,
> but my script was not compliant so this step failed. My apologises.
> I have now updated my script so that “update-rc.d red5 defaults” will
> work, but you may want to do a “update-rc.d -f red5 remove” first to
> remove any previous configuration.
>
>
>
> Openmeetings does work running as nobody if all is configured that
> way.
>
>
>
> You can run OpenMeetings in a variety of ways, but for security
> reasons the supported method is to run the /usr/lib/red5/red5.sh
> script as nobody, as per the instructions. Please run OpenMeetings as
> per the instructions, where the instructions don’t work please report
> the issues so they can be fixed.
>
>
>
> And you were correct, the /etc/init.d/red5 script has to be run as
> root, just like all the other scripts in that folder.
> The /etc/init.d/red5 script will start the red5 server running as the
> user nobody, if it is configured this way.
>
>
>
> NB: It is possible to run red5 on other port numbers than port 5080
> but if you use a port below 1024 then you do need to run OpenMeetings
> using a root account.
>
>
>
> See these sites for further details;
>
> http://www.debianadmin.com/manage-linux-init-or-startup-scripts.html
>
>
>
> To restate, Stephen’s installation instructions state;
>
> update-rc.d red5 defaults
>
>
>
> And when run against my previous red5 script;
>
> root@om64u-1:/home/itsupport# update-rc.d red5 defaults
>
> update-rc.d: warning: /etc/init.d/red5 missing LSB information
>
> update-rc.d: see <http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts>
>
> System start/stop links for /etc/init.d/red5 already exist.
>
>
>
> Sadly my red5.ubuntu did not past the requirements for a start up
> script so I have had to modify it.
>
> http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts states “LSB-compliant init
> scripts need to:
>
> provide, at least, the following actions: start, stop, restart,
> force-reload, and status”
>
>
>
> After making a change to my red5 script, I had to remove any previous
> configurations
>
> # update-rc.d -f red5 remove
>
>
>
> And then I could use update-rc.d to register my script to be run when
> the server starts.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> George Kirkham
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Tom Judge [mailto:judget@learnubuntu.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2012 12:46 PM
> To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Ubuntu Install Guide Update
>
>
>
>
> OK here is what I am testiung on my system
>
> I am using georges red5 startup script installed in my /etc/init.d/
> folder
>
> I made a user named red and added it to the root group
>
> sudo adduser red5 root
>
> and bla etc
>
> then I did a chown -R red5 /usr/lib/red5
>
>
> finally imodified georges startup script to use the user red instead
> of nobody
>
>
> now i will see if this fixes the upload of video and office docs as I
> suspect it may
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Ubuntu-Head
> Tom Judge Ubuntu Head
>
> Look for us on the web:
>
> http://learnubuntu.org
> http://youtube.com/learnubuntunow
> http://twitter.com/#!/learnubuntu
> http://facebook.com/tvjudge
> <a href="skype:learnubuntu?call">Skype Learnubuntu</a>
>
>
> On Mon, 2012-07-16 at 22:19 -0400, Steve Baumgartner wrote:
>
>
> That is a good question I would like to know also. Is there a way to view the files you have uploaded in the app without being in a room?
>
> Steve Baumgartner
> Owner
> SMB Computers
>
> M +1 614 743 3166
> Grove City, Ohio, USA
> steve@smbcomputers.net
>
> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.
> If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender immediately.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Judge [mailto:judget@learnubuntu.org]
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:05 PM
> To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Ubuntu Install Guide Update
>
> Where do uploaded videos and files go I think I have a permissions issue with the way I installed this build. Nothing will upload and I cant remember where the target directory is formuploads
>
> --
>
> Ubuntu-Head
> Tom Judge Ubuntu Head
>
> Look for us on the web:
>
> http://learnubuntu.org
> http://youtube.com/learnubuntunow
> http://twitter.com/#!/learnubuntu
> http://facebook.com/tvjudge
> <a href="skype:learnubuntu?call">Skype Learnubuntu</a>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2012-07-17 at 12:01 +1000, George Kirkham wrote:
> > Steve,
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for that, just good to know what works. This script has just
> > helped Tom as well.
> >
> >
> >
> > I will ask Stephen to check on the line that runs the red5 server.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> > George Kirkham
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Steve Baumgartner [mailto:steve@smbcomputers.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2012 10:37 AM
> > To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Ubuntu Install Guide Update
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The contents of what you sent in the red5.ubuntu
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve Baumgartner
> >
> > Owner
> >
> > SMB Computers
> >
> >
> >
> > M +1 614 743 3166
> >
> > Grove City, Ohio, USA
> >
> > steve@smbcomputers.net
> >
> >
> >
> > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
> > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they
> > are addressed.
> > If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender
> > immediately.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
> > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:30 PM
> > To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Ubuntu Install Guide Update
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> >
> >
> > “Replacing that script fixed the issue”, what did you replace the
> > script with ?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> > George Kirkham
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Steve Baumgartner [mailto:steve@smbcomputers.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2012 10:16 AM
> > To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Ubuntu Install Guide Update
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Replacing that script fixed the issue. I had no issue this time.
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve Baumgartner
> >
> > Owner
> >
> > SMB Computers
> >
> >
> >
> > M +1 614 743 3166
> >
> > Grove City, Ohio, USA
> >
> > steve@smbcomputers.net
> >
> >
> >
> > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
> > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they
> > are addressed.
> > If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender
> > immediately.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
> > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:04 PM
> > To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Ubuntu Install Guide Update
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> >
> >
> > If you get issues like that, please report them, 1) because people can
> > then advise how to resolve, 2) update the doco, 3) your installation
> > is not likely to work correctly if there are issues.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> > George Kirkham
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: steve@smbcomputers.net [mailto:steve@smbcomputers.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2012 10:01 AM
> > To: judget@learnubuntu.org; openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Ubuntu Install Guide Update
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I always got that the last 4 times I installed. Still works.
> >
> > Sent from my HTC smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint!
> >
> > ----- Reply message -----
> > From: "Tom Judge" <ju...@learnubuntu.org>
> > To: <op...@incubator.apache.org>
> > Subject: Ubuntu Install Guide Update
> > Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:47 pm
> >
> >
> > When I try to use the startup script as /etc/init.d/red5 start I get
> > this message
> >
> >
> > > judget@openmeeting:/etc/init.d$ sudo /etc/init.d/red5 start
> > > start-stop-daemon: --start needs --exec or --startas Try
> > > 'start-stop-daemon --help' for more information.
> >
> >
> > This is using Ubuntu 10.04
> >
> > --
> >
> > Ubuntu-Head
> > Tom Judge Ubuntu Head
> >
> > Look for us on the web:
> >
> > http://learnubuntu.org
> > http://youtube.com/learnubuntunow
> > http://twitter.com/#!/learnubuntu
> > http://facebook.com/tvjudge
> > <a href="skype:learnubuntu?call">Skype Learnubuntu</a>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2012-07-17 at 00:08 +1000, Stephen Cottham wrote:
> > > HI All,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Guide has been updated with the following changes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 1) Java install is using a single wget with auto accepting
> > cookie
> > > – no two step procedure now… nice and simple
> > >
> > > 2) Fixed issues with symbols being converted when copying and
> > > pasting
> > >
> > > 3) Fixed text wrapping so each command is seen as a single line
> > >
> > > 4) Various changes to the structure
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please let me know if this has now resolved the troubles seen
> > > yesterday.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27838216/Inst
> > alling+OM2.x+On+Ubuntu64+-+Headless.pdf?version=7&modificationDate=134
> > 2447291239
> > >
> > >
> > >
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