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Writing Installer for James
Ok I wrote this depicting automation of some aspects of the install for james:
http://techpanacea.blogspot.com/2008/07/writing-install-utility-for-james-java.html
It needs to be refined but any help from all would be great!!
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Re: Writing Installer for James
Posted by Athar Shiraz Siddiqui <at...@gmail.com>.
Thats it? No other word on this? Back to usual?
We can go with Ole's suggestion if this is too problematic.
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
> Athar Shiraz Siddiqui ha scritto:
>>
>> Ok I wrote this depicting automation of some aspects of the install for
>> james:
>>
>>
>> http://techpanacea.blogspot.com/2008/07/writing-install-utility-for-james-java.html
>>
>> It needs to be refined but any help from all would be great!!
>
> If I understant if you are using SetupBuilder. It is a commercial product
> and I'm not sure we can really use it to prepare our Apache Licensed
> distribution or that we can use it as part of our release process :-(
>
> Maybe other legal/policy issues expert here can help us understanding this.
>
> Stefano
>
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Re: Writing Installer for James
Posted by Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org>.
I'm replying only to server-dev (crossposting is bad as pleople
subscribed to both list will receive the message twice).
Please subscribe to the server-dev list if you plan to deal with
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Athar Shiraz Siddiqui ha scritto:
> If you look at apache web server's windows installer :
> http://ftp.wayne.edu/apache/httpd/binaries/win32/apache_2.2.9-win32-x86-no_ssl-r2.msi
>
> Click on "next" after opening the file... you will see that they are
> using Installshield.
Thank you! Interesting.
I wonder if they obtained an Apache wide / HTTPD PMC wide license for
the product or how they dealt with this. We may ask them!
> That is go to http://www.installshield.com/
> that is also a commercial product just like setupbuilder.
The problem with apache is that to be able to release something from
apache the release manager need the tool to make the release.
Not every release manager use windows at all, and none of them has a
license of this commercial products, so we have to understand how other
Apache projects dealt with this.
Thank you,
Stefano
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
>> Athar Shiraz Siddiqui ha scritto:
>>> Ok I wrote this depicting automation of some aspects of the install for
>>> james:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://techpanacea.blogspot.com/2008/07/writing-install-utility-for-james-java.html
>>>
>>> It needs to be refined but any help from all would be great!!
>> If I understant if you are using SetupBuilder. It is a commercial product
>> and I'm not sure we can really use it to prepare our Apache Licensed
>> distribution or that we can use it as part of our release process :-(
>>
>> Maybe other legal/policy issues expert here can help us understanding this.
>>
>> Stefano
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Re: Writing Installer for James
Posted by Athar Shiraz Siddiqui <at...@gmail.com>.
I appreciate your suggestion but I think we should try to do things
the apache way -using installshield FIRST and then if there are
hurdles we should go with this NSIS installer. Unless someone has any
objections to this.
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Ole Ersoy <ol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you use this:
>
> http://nsis.sourceforge.net/
>
> Then life becomes a lot easier for the James team, since it's open source,
> hence less red tape.
>
> According to the ApacheDS documentation:
> http://cwiki.apache.org/DIRxSBOX/draft-apache-ds-installers-documentation.html
>
> The installer can be run on any OS (Linux, OS X, etc.).
>
> I think ApacheDS also has this wrapped in a maven mojo and incorporated into
> the build process. The same approach is used to build installers for
> Solaris, Linux, etc. so it's a good baseline to work off of. I'm sure the
> James project would appreciate something that is simple to maintain and is
> generated as an artifact of the build process.
>
> Cheers,
> - Ole
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Re: Writing Installer for James
Posted by Ole Ersoy <ol...@gmail.com>.
If you use this:
http://nsis.sourceforge.net/
Then life becomes a lot easier for the James team, since it's open source, hence less red tape.
According to the ApacheDS documentation:
http://cwiki.apache.org/DIRxSBOX/draft-apache-ds-installers-documentation.html
The installer can be run on any OS (Linux, OS X, etc.).
I think ApacheDS also has this wrapped in a maven mojo and incorporated into the build process. The same approach is used to build installers for Solaris, Linux, etc. so it's a good baseline to work off of. I'm sure the James project would appreciate something that is simple to maintain and is generated as an artifact of the build process.
Cheers,
- Ole
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Re: Writing Installer for James
Posted by Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org>.
I checked httpd people to understand how they do this.
The fact is that what they care is about sources: they release sources.
The installer they ship is simply something they do "unrelated to the
release" and is done by some committer having windows and a license for
the tool.
In this case we'll not be able to publish a windows installer from
apache james because none of the active committers have access to this
commercial tool.
I've got pointers to the WIX project (microsoft sponsored open source
project for creating installers starting from XML files) but this would
require a releaser using windows to publish it.
Otherwise there are java installers, that are crossplatform.
From what I understood the only solution to create native windows
installers from both unixes and window is to use NSIS because their
compiler is crossplatform.
That's all I found by now,
Stefano
Athar Shiraz Siddiqui ha scritto:
> If you look at apache web server's windows installer :
> http://ftp.wayne.edu/apache/httpd/binaries/win32/apache_2.2.9-win32-x86-no_ssl-r2.msi
>
> Click on "next" after opening the file... you will see that they are
> using Installshield.
>
> That is go to http://www.installshield.com/
> that is also a commercial product just like setupbuilder.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
>> Athar Shiraz Siddiqui ha scritto:
>>> Ok I wrote this depicting automation of some aspects of the install for
>>> james:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://techpanacea.blogspot.com/2008/07/writing-install-utility-for-james-java.html
>>>
>>> It needs to be refined but any help from all would be great!!
>> If I understant if you are using SetupBuilder. It is a commercial product
>> and I'm not sure we can really use it to prepare our Apache Licensed
>> distribution or that we can use it as part of our release process :-(
>>
>> Maybe other legal/policy issues expert here can help us understanding this.
>>
>> Stefano
>>
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Re: Writing Installer for James
Posted by Athar Shiraz Siddiqui <at...@gmail.com>.
If you look at apache web server's windows installer :
http://ftp.wayne.edu/apache/httpd/binaries/win32/apache_2.2.9-win32-x86-no_ssl-r2.msi
Click on "next" after opening the file... you will see that they are
using Installshield.
That is go to http://www.installshield.com/
that is also a commercial product just like setupbuilder.
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
> Athar Shiraz Siddiqui ha scritto:
>>
>> Ok I wrote this depicting automation of some aspects of the install for
>> james:
>>
>>
>> http://techpanacea.blogspot.com/2008/07/writing-install-utility-for-james-java.html
>>
>> It needs to be refined but any help from all would be great!!
>
> If I understant if you are using SetupBuilder. It is a commercial product
> and I'm not sure we can really use it to prepare our Apache Licensed
> distribution or that we can use it as part of our release process :-(
>
> Maybe other legal/policy issues expert here can help us understanding this.
>
> Stefano
>
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Re: Writing Installer for James
Posted by Athar Shiraz Siddiqui <at...@gmail.com>.
If you look at apache web server's windows installer :
http://ftp.wayne.edu/apache/httpd/binaries/win32/apache_2.2.9-win32-x86-no_ssl-r2.msi
Click on "next" after opening the file... you will see that they are
using Installshield.
That is go to http://www.installshield.com/
that is also a commercial product just like setupbuilder.
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
> Athar Shiraz Siddiqui ha scritto:
>>
>> Ok I wrote this depicting automation of some aspects of the install for
>> james:
>>
>>
>> http://techpanacea.blogspot.com/2008/07/writing-install-utility-for-james-java.html
>>
>> It needs to be refined but any help from all would be great!!
>
> If I understant if you are using SetupBuilder. It is a commercial product
> and I'm not sure we can really use it to prepare our Apache Licensed
> distribution or that we can use it as part of our release process :-(
>
> Maybe other legal/policy issues expert here can help us understanding this.
>
> Stefano
>
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Re: Writing Installer for James
Posted by Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org>.
Athar Shiraz Siddiqui ha scritto:
> Ok I wrote this depicting automation of some aspects of the install for james:
>
> http://techpanacea.blogspot.com/2008/07/writing-install-utility-for-james-java.html
>
> It needs to be refined but any help from all would be great!!
If I understant if you are using SetupBuilder. It is a commercial
product and I'm not sure we can really use it to prepare our Apache
Licensed distribution or that we can use it as part of our release
process :-(
Maybe other legal/policy issues expert here can help us understanding this.
Stefano
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