Re: JIRA - call to vote

[Endre Stølsvik <En...@Stolsvik.com>]

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004, Nadeem Bitar wrote:

| -1
|
| I do not like the fact that many open source projects are getting
| dependent on a proprietary bug tracking system (Jira). Why not scarab or
| other open source bug tracking database for people who don't like
| bugzilla.

Late, but here's another opinion against:

Lately, I feel that more and more products tout themselves as "open", but
are only open to open source projects. While this -might- have good
intentions, I feel that the point is to get much-used open source projects
to use the commercial products, so that developers get used and "addicted"
to them - it is like using Apache as an advertisment, and a real good one
too.
   I don't like this - the "open" aspect of the software in question
(Apache's) then closes a little: to develop and interact with such
projects, one is forced to use commercial products - and thus forced to
use up valuable "brain space" on products that one actually would not use
if it wasn't due to the open source project in question. Reasons for not
use them can be that the company that one is working for cannot afford the
system, or that one dislikes such "sneak-producs", e.g. like MySQL (and
Jira).

What do you say?

Endre.

Re: JIRA - call to vote

[David Sean Taylor <da...@bluesunrise.com>]

On Monday, April 5, 2004, at 03:35  PM, Endre Stølsvik wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004, Nadeem Bitar wrote:
>
> | -1
> |
> | I do not like the fact that many open source projects are getting
> | dependent on a proprietary bug tracking system (Jira). Why not 
> scarab or
> | other open source bug tracking database for people who don't like
> | bugzilla.
>
> Late, but here's another opinion against:
>
> Lately, I feel that more and more products tout themselves as "open", 
> but
> are only open to open source projects. While this -might- have good
> intentions, I feel that the point is to get much-used open source 
> projects
> to use the commercial products, so that developers get used and 
> "addicted"
> to them - it is like using Apache as an advertisment, and a real good 
> one
> too.
>    I don't like this - the "open" aspect of the software in question
> (Apache's) then closes a little: to develop and interact with such
> projects, one is forced to use commercial products - and thus forced to
> use up valuable "brain space" on products that one actually would not 
> use
> if it wasn't due to the open source project in question. Reasons for 
> not
> use them can be that the company that one is working for cannot afford 
> the
> system, or that one dislikes such "sneak-producs", e.g. like MySQL (and
> Jira).
>
> What do you say?
>
To be honest I was simply following example. Most Apache projects are 
now on Jira, and I simply trusted Apache's decision.
Jira is a very good issue tracking system. Very easy to use. Its also 
based on many of the OS tools that we develop with.
So I feel like I am supporting my fellow development community as 
opposed to say Bugzilla.

I don't feel like they are sneaking or tricking us into using it. I 
hope not!
I see it as a way of making a donation for Jira, and they get some 
goodwill.
If companies want to contribute to open source by donating 'free' 
software then why not?
I really haven't looked into to it any further.
I guess one thing to consider: is Jira developed in a closed model or 
open model?
Another thing: how do we get bug fixes?
When I think about it from that POV, it makes me wonder if Apache is 
going down the right path.
That said, I really prefer Jira over Bugzilla.