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JavaServer Face
Hi, All, I know this is a bit off topic. But really want to
get an opinion about it from the Struts users.
The JavaServer Face 1.0, or JSF, has been released. It claims to
be a framework for building web-based user interfaces in Java.
Like Swing, it provides a set of standard widgets (buttons,
hyperlinks, checkboxes, and so on). What I want to know is, can
JSF truly facilitate constructing a highly complex
user interface just like Swing does? If it can't, is Applet still the way
to go(don't hear much about it these days. Is Applet dead? Is there
an alternative to Applet when it comes to constructing a web
browser-accessed highly complex GUI?) Given the fact that Struts already
provides many features JavaServer Face provides(such as validation,
internalization, and tags for constructing UI widgets etc), what's
the significant benefit to gain by adopting JSF? or combining them?(I heard
this
is possible, and someone says it would be a powerful combination.) And the
final question is will the JSF replace Struts in the future?
Any comment is welcome.
Thanks,
Xuemin
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[OT] was Re: JavaServer Face
Posted by Mark Lowe <ma...@boxstuff.com>.
Vic
I've had a look around I'm a tad confused, do you subscribe to struts
lists just for the comedy value then? You mention struts several times
on your site and even offer training for struts.
As amusing as the cartoons are, I'm not sure the person who drew them
is aware of the compatibility between various different frameworks. But
I'd have thought you would be.
JSF looks to be like the formalization of various bits and pieces
including the progress made by struts. I don't see the huge problem, in
fact I see this as progress. I look forward to working with containers
with out the box jsf and jstl support and having less of a dependancy
on open source frameworks to fill in the gaps.
In terms of objections and such like I wasn't aware that anyone, sun or
otherwise, was holding a gun to folk's heads making them use
technologies developed via JCP or top level apache project. For
example, I don't like EJB's so I don't use them, its quite simple.
Is there something I've misunderstood ?
Mark
On 31 Mar 2004, at 17:18, Vic Cekvenich wrote:
> I duno. I used to have a page with links on EJB anecdotes, and I was
> taken to task over it by a popular Sun employee, but that's all I can
> think of.
>
> .V
>
> Mark Lowe wrote:
>
>> Just out of curiosity where's the link on your site that caused so
>> much controversy?
>> On 31 Mar 2004, at 16:39, Vic Cekvenich wrote:
>>> There is also a digram to help you get the picture:
>>> http://www.theserverside.com/cartoons/TalesFromTheServerSide.tss
>>>
>>> .V
>>>
>>> Mark Lowe wrote:
>>>
>>>> There was a long thread on the developers list last week where the
>>>> question of whether JSF would replace struts was discussed.
>>>> The basic conclusions of those taking part in the discussion what
>>>> that struts was originally designed to fill a gap in the servlet
>>>> api, and that the role of struts and open source projects in
>>>> general are often to fill these gaps without the rigid and slower
>>>> process of JSR.
>>>> Check the dev list mail archives for "struts JSR" and read the
>>>> thread.
>>>> Mark
>>>> On 31 Mar 2004, at 11:00, Xuemin Guan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, All, I know this is a bit off topic. But really want to
>>>>> get an opinion about it from the Struts users.
>>>>>
>>>>> The JavaServer Face 1.0, or JSF, has been released. It claims to
>>>>> be a framework for building web-based user interfaces in Java.
>>>>> Like Swing, it provides a set of standard widgets (buttons,
>>>>> hyperlinks, checkboxes, and so on). What I want to know is, can
>>>>> JSF truly facilitate constructing a highly complex
>>>>> user interface just like Swing does? If it can't, is Applet still
>>>>> the way
>>>>> to go(don't hear much about it these days. Is Applet dead? Is there
>>>>> an alternative to Applet when it comes to constructing a web
>>>>> browser-accessed highly complex GUI?) Given the fact that Struts
>>>>> already
>>>>> provides many features JavaServer Face provides(such as validation,
>>>>> internalization, and tags for constructing UI widgets etc), what's
>>>>> the significant benefit to gain by adopting JSF? or combining
>>>>> them?(I heard
>>>>> this
>>>>> is possible, and someone says it would be a powerful combination.)
>>>>> And the
>>>>> final question is will the JSF replace Struts in the future?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any comment is welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Xuemin
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: JavaServer Face
Posted by Vic Cekvenich <ce...@portalVU.com>.
I duno. I used to have a page with links on EJB anecdotes, and I was
taken to task over it by a popular Sun employee, but that's all I can
think of.
.V
Mark Lowe wrote:
> Just out of curiosity where's the link on your site that caused so much
> controversy?
>
>
> On 31 Mar 2004, at 16:39, Vic Cekvenich wrote:
>
>> There is also a digram to help you get the picture:
>> http://www.theserverside.com/cartoons/TalesFromTheServerSide.tss
>>
>> .V
>>
>> Mark Lowe wrote:
>>
>>> There was a long thread on the developers list last week where the
>>> question of whether JSF would replace struts was discussed.
>>> The basic conclusions of those taking part in the discussion what
>>> that struts was originally designed to fill a gap in the servlet api,
>>> and that the role of struts and open source projects in general are
>>> often to fill these gaps without the rigid and slower process of JSR.
>>> Check the dev list mail archives for "struts JSR" and read the thread.
>>> Mark
>>> On 31 Mar 2004, at 11:00, Xuemin Guan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi, All, I know this is a bit off topic. But really want to
>>>> get an opinion about it from the Struts users.
>>>>
>>>> The JavaServer Face 1.0, or JSF, has been released. It claims to
>>>> be a framework for building web-based user interfaces in Java.
>>>> Like Swing, it provides a set of standard widgets (buttons,
>>>> hyperlinks, checkboxes, and so on). What I want to know is, can
>>>> JSF truly facilitate constructing a highly complex
>>>> user interface just like Swing does? If it can't, is Applet still
>>>> the way
>>>> to go(don't hear much about it these days. Is Applet dead? Is there
>>>> an alternative to Applet when it comes to constructing a web
>>>> browser-accessed highly complex GUI?) Given the fact that Struts
>>>> already
>>>> provides many features JavaServer Face provides(such as validation,
>>>> internalization, and tags for constructing UI widgets etc), what's
>>>> the significant benefit to gain by adopting JSF? or combining
>>>> them?(I heard
>>>> this
>>>> is possible, and someone says it would be a powerful combination.)
>>>> And the
>>>> final question is will the JSF replace Struts in the future?
>>>>
>>>> Any comment is welcome.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Xuemin
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: JavaServer Face
Posted by Mark Lowe <ma...@boxstuff.com>.
Just out of curiosity where's the link on your site that caused so much
controversy?
On 31 Mar 2004, at 16:39, Vic Cekvenich wrote:
> There is also a digram to help you get the picture:
> http://www.theserverside.com/cartoons/TalesFromTheServerSide.tss
>
> .V
>
> Mark Lowe wrote:
>> There was a long thread on the developers list last week where the
>> question of whether JSF would replace struts was discussed.
>> The basic conclusions of those taking part in the discussion what
>> that struts was originally designed to fill a gap in the servlet api,
>> and that the role of struts and open source projects in general are
>> often to fill these gaps without the rigid and slower process of JSR.
>> Check the dev list mail archives for "struts JSR" and read the thread.
>> Mark
>> On 31 Mar 2004, at 11:00, Xuemin Guan wrote:
>>> Hi, All, I know this is a bit off topic. But really want to
>>> get an opinion about it from the Struts users.
>>>
>>> The JavaServer Face 1.0, or JSF, has been released. It claims to
>>> be a framework for building web-based user interfaces in Java.
>>> Like Swing, it provides a set of standard widgets (buttons,
>>> hyperlinks, checkboxes, and so on). What I want to know is, can
>>> JSF truly facilitate constructing a highly complex
>>> user interface just like Swing does? If it can't, is Applet still
>>> the way
>>> to go(don't hear much about it these days. Is Applet dead? Is there
>>> an alternative to Applet when it comes to constructing a web
>>> browser-accessed highly complex GUI?) Given the fact that Struts
>>> already
>>> provides many features JavaServer Face provides(such as validation,
>>> internalization, and tags for constructing UI widgets etc), what's
>>> the significant benefit to gain by adopting JSF? or combining
>>> them?(I heard
>>> this
>>> is possible, and someone says it would be a powerful combination.)
>>> And the
>>> final question is will the JSF replace Struts in the future?
>>>
>>> Any comment is welcome.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Xuemin
>>>
>>>
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RE: JavaServer Face
Posted by Andrew Hill <an...@gridnode.com>.
rofl!
Reckon Im gonna be forwarding that link a fair bit. Nice :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Vic Cekvenich
Sent: Wednesday, 31 March 2004 22:39
To: user@struts.apache.org
Subject: Re: JavaServer Face
There is also a digram to help you get the picture:
http://www.theserverside.com/cartoons/TalesFromTheServerSide.tss
.V
Mark Lowe wrote:
> There was a long thread on the developers list last week where the
> question of whether JSF would replace struts was discussed.
>
> The basic conclusions of those taking part in the discussion what that
> struts was originally designed to fill a gap in the servlet api, and
> that the role of struts and open source projects in general are often to
> fill these gaps without the rigid and slower process of JSR.
>
> Check the dev list mail archives for "struts JSR" and read the thread.
>
> Mark
> On 31 Mar 2004, at 11:00, Xuemin Guan wrote:
>
>> Hi, All, I know this is a bit off topic. But really want to
>> get an opinion about it from the Struts users.
>>
>> The JavaServer Face 1.0, or JSF, has been released. It claims to
>> be a framework for building web-based user interfaces in Java.
>> Like Swing, it provides a set of standard widgets (buttons,
>> hyperlinks, checkboxes, and so on). What I want to know is, can
>> JSF truly facilitate constructing a highly complex
>> user interface just like Swing does? If it can't, is Applet still the way
>> to go(don't hear much about it these days. Is Applet dead? Is there
>> an alternative to Applet when it comes to constructing a web
>> browser-accessed highly complex GUI?) Given the fact that Struts already
>> provides many features JavaServer Face provides(such as validation,
>> internalization, and tags for constructing UI widgets etc), what's
>> the significant benefit to gain by adopting JSF? or combining them?(I
>> heard
>> this
>> is possible, and someone says it would be a powerful combination.) And
>> the
>> final question is will the JSF replace Struts in the future?
>>
>> Any comment is welcome.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Xuemin
>>
>>
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Re: JavaServer Face
Posted by Vic Cekvenich <ce...@portalVU.com>.
There is also a digram to help you get the picture:
http://www.theserverside.com/cartoons/TalesFromTheServerSide.tss
.V
Mark Lowe wrote:
> There was a long thread on the developers list last week where the
> question of whether JSF would replace struts was discussed.
>
> The basic conclusions of those taking part in the discussion what that
> struts was originally designed to fill a gap in the servlet api, and
> that the role of struts and open source projects in general are often to
> fill these gaps without the rigid and slower process of JSR.
>
> Check the dev list mail archives for "struts JSR" and read the thread.
>
> Mark
> On 31 Mar 2004, at 11:00, Xuemin Guan wrote:
>
>> Hi, All, I know this is a bit off topic. But really want to
>> get an opinion about it from the Struts users.
>>
>> The JavaServer Face 1.0, or JSF, has been released. It claims to
>> be a framework for building web-based user interfaces in Java.
>> Like Swing, it provides a set of standard widgets (buttons,
>> hyperlinks, checkboxes, and so on). What I want to know is, can
>> JSF truly facilitate constructing a highly complex
>> user interface just like Swing does? If it can't, is Applet still the way
>> to go(don't hear much about it these days. Is Applet dead? Is there
>> an alternative to Applet when it comes to constructing a web
>> browser-accessed highly complex GUI?) Given the fact that Struts already
>> provides many features JavaServer Face provides(such as validation,
>> internalization, and tags for constructing UI widgets etc), what's
>> the significant benefit to gain by adopting JSF? or combining them?(I
>> heard
>> this
>> is possible, and someone says it would be a powerful combination.) And
>> the
>> final question is will the JSF replace Struts in the future?
>>
>> Any comment is welcome.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Xuemin
>>
>>
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Re: JavaServer Face
Posted by Mark Lowe <ma...@boxstuff.com>.
There was a long thread on the developers list last week where the
question of whether JSF would replace struts was discussed.
The basic conclusions of those taking part in the discussion what that
struts was originally designed to fill a gap in the servlet api, and
that the role of struts and open source projects in general are often
to fill these gaps without the rigid and slower process of JSR.
Check the dev list mail archives for "struts JSR" and read the thread.
Mark
On 31 Mar 2004, at 11:00, Xuemin Guan wrote:
> Hi, All, I know this is a bit off topic. But really want to
> get an opinion about it from the Struts users.
>
> The JavaServer Face 1.0, or JSF, has been released. It claims to
> be a framework for building web-based user interfaces in Java.
> Like Swing, it provides a set of standard widgets (buttons,
> hyperlinks, checkboxes, and so on). What I want to know is, can
> JSF truly facilitate constructing a highly complex
> user interface just like Swing does? If it can't, is Applet still the
> way
> to go(don't hear much about it these days. Is Applet dead? Is there
> an alternative to Applet when it comes to constructing a web
> browser-accessed highly complex GUI?) Given the fact that Struts
> already
> provides many features JavaServer Face provides(such as validation,
> internalization, and tags for constructing UI widgets etc), what's
> the significant benefit to gain by adopting JSF? or combining them?(I
> heard
> this
> is possible, and someone says it would be a powerful combination.) And
> the
> final question is will the JSF replace Struts in the future?
>
> Any comment is welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Xuemin
>
>
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RE: JavaServer Face
Posted by Andrew Hill <an...@gridnode.com>.
hehe, this (struts vs jsf) has been asked a lot on the list.
If you search the list archives you will find a lot of discussion on it, and
in the struts wiki I found this page particularly enlightening:
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?StrutsMoreAboutJSF
-----Original Message-----
From: Xuemin Guan [mailto:xuemin.guan@bbx-japan.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 March 2004 17:00
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: JavaServer Face
Hi, All, I know this is a bit off topic. But really want to
get an opinion about it from the Struts users.
The JavaServer Face 1.0, or JSF, has been released. It claims to
be a framework for building web-based user interfaces in Java.
Like Swing, it provides a set of standard widgets (buttons,
hyperlinks, checkboxes, and so on). What I want to know is, can
JSF truly facilitate constructing a highly complex
user interface just like Swing does? If it can't, is Applet still the way
to go(don't hear much about it these days. Is Applet dead? Is there
an alternative to Applet when it comes to constructing a web
browser-accessed highly complex GUI?) Given the fact that Struts already
provides many features JavaServer Face provides(such as validation,
internalization, and tags for constructing UI widgets etc), what's
the significant benefit to gain by adopting JSF? or combining them?(I heard
this
is possible, and someone says it would be a powerful combination.) And the
final question is will the JSF replace Struts in the future?
Any comment is welcome.
Thanks,
Xuemin
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