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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de> on 2012/09/02 17:02:48 UTC

[DL][Website] First draft of the new DL scripting

Hi all,

I was busy at the weekend to clean-up the DL scripting.

The new webpages are accessible here (as long as they are not published):

http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/index.html
http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/other.html

Some notes before you start with checking out:

1.
The current focus is on reducing complexity, better simplification and 
more automatism. Not the design and layout. This is nearly the same.

2.
It's normal that not all links will work as it's only a part of the 
download area. It depends on the link itself if it's not yet working or 
really broken. ;-)

3.
When you find errors and want to report them please make sure to browse 
to the following webpage to help me with some debug data:

http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/analyze.html

Next big step is to implement the new directory structure on the mirrors.

Thanks in advance for your comments.

Marcus

Re: [DL][Website] First draft of the new DL scripting

Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 09/07/2012 12:03 AM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>
>
> On 09/06/2012 02:52 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>> Am 09/06/2012 01:33 AM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/02/2012 03:18 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 09/02/2012 08:02 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was busy at the weekend to clean-up the DL scripting.
>>>>>
>>>>> The new webpages are accessible here (as long as they are not
>>>>> published):
>>>>>
>>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/index.html
>>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/other.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Some notes before you start with checking out:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.
>>>>> The current focus is on reducing complexity, better simplification and
>>>>> more automatism. Not the design and layout. This is nearly the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.
>>>>> It's normal that not all links will work as it's only a part of the
>>>>> download area. It depends on the link itself if it's not yet
>>>>> working or
>>>>> really broken. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.
>>>>> When you find errors and want to report them please make sure to
>>>>> browse
>>>>> to the following webpage to help me with some debug data:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/analyze.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Next big step is to implement the new directory structure on the
>>>>> mirrors.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>> VERY good! I am looking at changes in svn and I can see MUCH
>>>> improvement. I will try to help with suggestions in the coming week.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ...more
>>>
>>> You are making very good progress and I hesitate to just make changes
>>> without discussion.
>>>
>>> What do you suggest for this?? Additional sections on the wiki page??
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Improvements+for+the+download+webpages
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Hm, I've already created a new table in the Wiki to document the
>> separating the general improvements from the one towards the new mirror
>> structure.
>>
>> But I think this is now enough. Otherwise the overview is really gone.
>>
>>> attachment of pertinent files to the wiki page with comments?
>>
>> When the things are discussed and done then these data normally remains
>> - at least this is my impression from other Wiki pages. Then the is also
>> gone. Besides this I think it becomes very fast a real clutch.
>>
>> Let's see if we can make some progress here on the ML. When there is
>> something valuable, then we can take it over to the Wiki page. So, I
>> would suggest to create new threads with appropriate tags like "[DL
>> scripting][SCHEMA] ..."
>>
>> What do you think?
>
> yes, that's a good idea...after re-thinking, maybe my ideas were too
> complicated for what you've already successfully simplified.
>
> As things go on, we can revive this if needed.
>
> Thanks again for all you've done, really. Your changes have already
> improved the logic a lot. I'll do some more testing.

On the weekend I'll have more spare time and I'm planning to do the next 
updates. So, if you (or anybody else !) have some ideas while testing, 
just tell me.

Marcus


Re: [DL][Website] First draft of the new DL scripting

Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.

On 09/06/2012 02:52 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
> Am 09/06/2012 01:33 AM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>
>>
>> On 09/02/2012 03:18 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/02/2012 08:02 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I was busy at the weekend to clean-up the DL scripting.
>>>>
>>>> The new webpages are accessible here (as long as they are not
>>>> published):
>>>>
>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/index.html
>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/other.html
>>>>
>>>> Some notes before you start with checking out:
>>>>
>>>> 1.
>>>> The current focus is on reducing complexity, better simplification and
>>>> more automatism. Not the design and layout. This is nearly the same.
>>>>
>>>> 2.
>>>> It's normal that not all links will work as it's only a part of the
>>>> download area. It depends on the link itself if it's not yet working or
>>>> really broken. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> 3.
>>>> When you find errors and want to report them please make sure to browse
>>>> to the following webpage to help me with some debug data:
>>>>
>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/analyze.html
>>>>
>>>> Next big step is to implement the new directory structure on the
>>>> mirrors.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>>>>
>>>> Marcus
>>>
>>> VERY good! I am looking at changes in svn and I can see MUCH
>>> improvement. I will try to help with suggestions in the coming week.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ...more
>>
>> You are making very good progress and I hesitate to just make changes
>> without discussion.
>>
>> What do you suggest for this?? Additional sections on the wiki page??
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Improvements+for+the+download+webpages
>>
>
> Hm, I've already created a new table in the Wiki to document the
> separating the general improvements from the one towards the new mirror
> structure.
>
> But I think this is now enough. Otherwise the overview is really gone.
>
>> attachment of pertinent files to the wiki page with comments?
>
> When the things are discussed and done then these data normally remains
> - at least this is my impression from other Wiki pages. Then the is also
> gone. Besides this I think it becomes very fast a real clutch.
>
> Let's see if we can make some progress here on the ML. When there is
> something valuable, then we can take it over to the Wiki page. So, I
> would suggest to create new threads with appropriate tags like "[DL
> scripting][SCHEMA] ..."
>
> What do you think?

yes, that's a good idea...after re-thinking, maybe my ideas were too 
complicated for what you've already successfully simplified.

As things go on, we can revive this if needed.

Thanks again for all you've done, really. Your changes have already 
improved the logic a lot. I'll do some more testing.

>
> Marcus
>

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK

"We never sit anything out. We are cups, constantly and quietly
  being filled.  The trick is, knowing how to tip ourselves over and
  let the beautiful stuff out."
                          -- Ray Bradbury, "Zen in the Art of Writing"


Re: [DL][Website] First draft of the new DL scripting

Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 09/10/2012 11:53 AM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
> On 9/6/12 11:52 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>> Am 09/06/2012 01:33 AM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/02/2012 03:18 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 09/02/2012 08:02 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was busy at the weekend to clean-up the DL scripting.
>>>>>
>>>>> The new webpages are accessible here (as long as they are not
>>>>> published):
>>>>>
>>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/index.html
>>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/other.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Some notes before you start with checking out:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.
>>>>> The current focus is on reducing complexity, better simplification and
>>>>> more automatism. Not the design and layout. This is nearly the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.
>>>>> It's normal that not all links will work as it's only a part of the
>>>>> download area. It depends on the link itself if it's not yet working or
>>>>> really broken. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.
>>>>> When you find errors and want to report them please make sure to browse
>>>>> to the following webpage to help me with some debug data:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/analyze.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Next big step is to implement the new directory structure on the
>>>>> mirrors.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>> VERY good! I am looking at changes in svn and I can see MUCH
>>>> improvement. I will try to help with suggestions in the coming week.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ...more
>>>
>>> You are making very good progress and I hesitate to just make changes
>>> without discussion.
>>>
>>> What do you suggest for this?? Additional sections on the wiki page??
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Improvements+for+the+download+webpages
>>>
>>
>> Hm, I've already created a new table in the Wiki to document the
>> separating the general improvements from the one towards the new mirror
>> structure.
>>
>> But I think this is now enough. Otherwise the overview is really gone.
>>
>>> attachment of pertinent files to the wiki page with comments?
>>
>> When the things are discussed and done then these data normally remains
>> - at least this is my impression from other Wiki pages. Then the is also
>> gone. Besides this I think it becomes very fast a real clutch.
>>
>> Let's see if we can make some progress here on the ML. When there is
>> something valuable, then we can take it over to the Wiki page. So, I
>> would suggest to create new threads with appropriate tags like "[DL
>> scripting][SCHEMA] ..."
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>
> I think we can finalize the future directory structure #part 2 on the
> wiki page.
>
> Current proposal:
> .../ooo/<VERSION>/source/
> .../ooo/<VERSION>/bin/<LANG>/
> .../ooo/<VERSION>/bin/SDK/
>
> When I remember there were some concerns regarding "bin". And I would

Hm, I don't know if it makes really a difference in case of names on 
mirrors. ;-) But OK, let's call it "binaries".

> keep the project name open or flexible assuming a change in favor of "aoo".
>
> .../<PROJECT_NAME>/<VERSION>/source/
> .../<PROJECT_NAME>/<VERSION>/binaries/<LANG>/
> .../<PROJECT_NAME>/<VERSION>/binaries/SDK/
>
>
> Where PROJECT_NAME is something like "ooo" or "aoo" or "openoffice". I
> would say we need no voting for this and need further discussion only if
> somebody see some problems with the new proposed structure.

So, waiting for the final definition. For the moment I'll use "aoo" for 
my testing.

Marcus


Re: [DL][Website] First draft of the new DL scripting

Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 9/10/12 12:59 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>> .../<PROJECT_NAME>/<VERSION>/source/
>> .../<PROJECT_NAME>/<VERSION>/binaries/<LANG>/
>> .../<PROJECT_NAME>/<VERSION>/binaries/SDK/
>> Where PROJECT_NAME is something like "ooo" or "aoo" or "openoffice".
> 
> Good. I'd use "openoffice" as project name, for clarity. It's longer
> than alternatives but we already got rid of "localized", "stable" and so
> on.
> 

I would be fine with any name but I assume that we will discuss a final
name during a potential graduation. And it is only an abbreviation in
this context. Not really visible or important in this context to many
people.

Juergen


Re: [DL][Website] First draft of the new DL scripting

Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> .../<PROJECT_NAME>/<VERSION>/source/
> .../<PROJECT_NAME>/<VERSION>/binaries/<LANG>/
> .../<PROJECT_NAME>/<VERSION>/binaries/SDK/
> Where PROJECT_NAME is something like "ooo" or "aoo" or "openoffice".

Good. I'd use "openoffice" as project name, for clarity. It's longer 
than alternatives but we already got rid of "localized", "stable" and so on.

Regards,
   Andrea.

Re: [DL][Website] First draft of the new DL scripting

Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 9/6/12 11:52 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
> Am 09/06/2012 01:33 AM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>
>>
>> On 09/02/2012 03:18 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/02/2012 08:02 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I was busy at the weekend to clean-up the DL scripting.
>>>>
>>>> The new webpages are accessible here (as long as they are not
>>>> published):
>>>>
>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/index.html
>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/other.html
>>>>
>>>> Some notes before you start with checking out:
>>>>
>>>> 1.
>>>> The current focus is on reducing complexity, better simplification and
>>>> more automatism. Not the design and layout. This is nearly the same.
>>>>
>>>> 2.
>>>> It's normal that not all links will work as it's only a part of the
>>>> download area. It depends on the link itself if it's not yet working or
>>>> really broken. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> 3.
>>>> When you find errors and want to report them please make sure to browse
>>>> to the following webpage to help me with some debug data:
>>>>
>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/analyze.html
>>>>
>>>> Next big step is to implement the new directory structure on the
>>>> mirrors.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>>>>
>>>> Marcus
>>>
>>> VERY good! I am looking at changes in svn and I can see MUCH
>>> improvement. I will try to help with suggestions in the coming week.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ...more
>>
>> You are making very good progress and I hesitate to just make changes
>> without discussion.
>>
>> What do you suggest for this?? Additional sections on the wiki page??
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Improvements+for+the+download+webpages
>>
> 
> Hm, I've already created a new table in the Wiki to document the
> separating the general improvements from the one towards the new mirror
> structure.
> 
> But I think this is now enough. Otherwise the overview is really gone.
> 
>> attachment of pertinent files to the wiki page with comments?
> 
> When the things are discussed and done then these data normally remains
> - at least this is my impression from other Wiki pages. Then the is also
> gone. Besides this I think it becomes very fast a real clutch.
> 
> Let's see if we can make some progress here on the ML. When there is
> something valuable, then we can take it over to the Wiki page. So, I
> would suggest to create new threads with appropriate tags like "[DL
> scripting][SCHEMA] ..."
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Marcus
> 

I think we can finalize the future directory structure #part 2 on the
wiki page.

Current proposal:
.../ooo/<VERSION>/source/
.../ooo/<VERSION>/bin/<LANG>/
.../ooo/<VERSION>/bin/SDK/

When I remember there were some concerns regarding "bin". And I would
keep the project name open or flexible assuming a change in favor of "aoo".

.../<PROJECT_NAME>/<VERSION>/source/
.../<PROJECT_NAME>/<VERSION>/binaries/<LANG>/
.../<PROJECT_NAME>/<VERSION>/binaries/SDK/


Where PROJECT_NAME is something like "ooo" or "aoo" or "openoffice". I
would say we need no voting for this and need further discussion only if
somebody see some problems with the new proposed structure.

Juergen







Re: [DL][Website] First draft of the new DL scripting

Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 09/06/2012 01:33 AM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>
>
> On 09/02/2012 03:18 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 09/02/2012 08:02 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I was busy at the weekend to clean-up the DL scripting.
>>>
>>> The new webpages are accessible here (as long as they are not
>>> published):
>>>
>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/index.html
>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/other.html
>>>
>>> Some notes before you start with checking out:
>>>
>>> 1.
>>> The current focus is on reducing complexity, better simplification and
>>> more automatism. Not the design and layout. This is nearly the same.
>>>
>>> 2.
>>> It's normal that not all links will work as it's only a part of the
>>> download area. It depends on the link itself if it's not yet working or
>>> really broken. ;-)
>>>
>>> 3.
>>> When you find errors and want to report them please make sure to browse
>>> to the following webpage to help me with some debug data:
>>>
>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/analyze.html
>>>
>>> Next big step is to implement the new directory structure on the
>>> mirrors.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>
>> VERY good! I am looking at changes in svn and I can see MUCH
>> improvement. I will try to help with suggestions in the coming week.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> ...more
>
> You are making very good progress and I hesitate to just make changes
> without discussion.
>
> What do you suggest for this?? Additional sections on the wiki page??
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Improvements+for+the+download+webpages

Hm, I've already created a new table in the Wiki to document the 
separating the general improvements from the one towards the new mirror 
structure.

But I think this is now enough. Otherwise the overview is really gone.

> attachment of pertinent files to the wiki page with comments?

When the things are discussed and done then these data normally remains 
- at least this is my impression from other Wiki pages. Then the is also 
gone. Besides this I think it becomes very fast a real clutch.

Let's see if we can make some progress here on the ML. When there is 
something valuable, then we can take it over to the Wiki page. So, I 
would suggest to create new threads with appropriate tags like "[DL 
scripting][SCHEMA] ..."

What do you think?

Marcus


Re: [DL][Website] First draft of the new DL scripting

Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.

On 09/02/2012 03:18 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>
>
> On 09/02/2012 08:02 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was busy at the weekend to clean-up the DL scripting.
>>
>> The new webpages are accessible here (as long as they are not published):
>>
>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/index.html
>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/other.html
>>
>> Some notes before you start with checking out:
>>
>> 1.
>> The current focus is on reducing complexity, better simplification and
>> more automatism. Not the design and layout. This is nearly the same.
>>
>> 2.
>> It's normal that not all links will work as it's only a part of the
>> download area. It depends on the link itself if it's not yet working or
>> really broken. ;-)
>>
>> 3.
>> When you find errors and want to report them please make sure to browse
>> to the following webpage to help me with some debug data:
>>
>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/analyze.html
>>
>> Next big step is to implement the new directory structure on the mirrors.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>>
>> Marcus
>
> VERY good! I am looking at changes in svn and I can see MUCH
> improvement. I will try to help with suggestions in the coming week.
>
>
>
>
...more

You are making very good progress and I hesitate to just make changes 
without discussion.

What do you suggest for this?? Additional sections on the wiki page??

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Improvements+for+the+download+webpages

attachment of pertinent files to the wiki page with comments?

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK

"We never sit anything out. We are cups, constantly and quietly
  being filled.  The trick is, knowing how to tip ourselves over and
  let the beautiful stuff out."
                          -- Ray Bradbury, "Zen in the Art of Writing"


Re: [DL][Website] First draft of the new DL scripting

Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.

On 09/02/2012 08:02 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I was busy at the weekend to clean-up the DL scripting.
>
> The new webpages are accessible here (as long as they are not published):
>
> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/index.html
> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/other.html
>
> Some notes before you start with checking out:
>
> 1.
> The current focus is on reducing complexity, better simplification and
> more automatism. Not the design and layout. This is nearly the same.
>
> 2.
> It's normal that not all links will work as it's only a part of the
> download area. It depends on the link itself if it's not yet working or
> really broken. ;-)
>
> 3.
> When you find errors and want to report them please make sure to browse
> to the following webpage to help me with some debug data:
>
> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/new/analyze.html
>
> Next big step is to implement the new directory structure on the mirrors.
>
> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>
> Marcus

VERY good! I am looking at changes in svn and I can see MUCH 
improvement. I will try to help with suggestions in the coming week.




-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK

"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
  butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet,
  balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying,
  take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations,
  analyze a new problem,  pitch manure, program a computer, cook a
  tasty  meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
  Specialization is for insects."
                          -- Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love"