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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by berndf <be...@apache.org> on 2011/06/28 07:49:50 UTC
[VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Hi everyone,
this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
every made.
There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
without much success.
So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
[] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
[] -0/+0, I'm undecided
[] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
Thanks for voting,
Bernd
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Niklas Gustavsson <ni...@protocol7.com>.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 7:49 AM, berndf <be...@apache.org> wrote:
> [X] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
/niklas
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Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>.
Oh, my bad, didn't notice that part. In that case your suggestion to
go to Google code is better and more appropriate.
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Christian Grobmeier
<gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It still exists:
> http://apache-extras.org/
>
> Please see:
> http://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
>
> "Apache Extras has been established for projects that don't want to,
> or are unable to be a formal part of the Apache Software Foundation
> but still wish to demonstrate their affinity to one ore more official
> Apache project."
>
> To which project could Bluesky demonstrate affinity?
>
>
> Christian
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din
> <no...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Can they upload it to Apache-Extras if it still exists ?
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> If bluesky project was rejected by ASF?
>>>> would we continue to use SVN to upload our codes?
>>>
>>> Not the ASF SVN server.
>>>
>>> But you can use for example google code to host bluesky and upload to
>>> there svn servers:
>>> http://code.google.com/hosting/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2011/7/6 Bernd Fondermann <be...@googlemail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> The vote to retire Bluesky succeeds with only +1 votes from
>>>>> Martijn, Emmanuel, Bernd, Niklas, Tommaso, Bertrand, Chris, Ralph,
>>>>> Christian, Noel, Luciano, Alan, Upayavira, Ross, Benson, Craig, Greg,
>>>>> William (binding)
>>>>> and Andreas Kuckartz, Kalle Korhonen, Henry Saputra (non-binding).
>>>>> Please review the tally and correct it if neccessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for voting.
>>>>>
>>>>> I sincerly hope that Bluesky will nevertheless become open source
>>>>> somewhere in the OSS universe.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bernd
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 07:49, berndf <be...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> > Hi everyone,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
>>>>> > becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
>>>>> > developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
>>>>> > lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
>>>>> > every made.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
>>>>> > without much success.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
>>>>> > The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
>>>>> > [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
>>>>> > [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks for voting,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Bernd
>>>>> >
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>>>>>
>>>>
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>> - Albert Einstein
>>
>> "Writing clean code is what you must do in order to call yourself a
>> professional. There is no reasonable excuse for doing anything less
>> than your best."
>> - Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship
>>
>> "Stay hungry, stay foolish."
>> - Steve Jobs
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- Mohammad Nour
Author of (WebSphere Application Server Community Edition 2.0 User Guide)
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247585.html
- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mnour
- Blog: http://tadabborat.blogspot.com
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- Albert Einstein
"Writing clean code is what you must do in order to call yourself a
professional. There is no reasonable excuse for doing anything less
than your best."
- Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship
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Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
It still exists:
http://apache-extras.org/
Please see:
http://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
"Apache Extras has been established for projects that don't want to,
or are unable to be a formal part of the Apache Software Foundation
but still wish to demonstrate their affinity to one ore more official
Apache project."
To which project could Bluesky demonstrate affinity?
Christian
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din
<no...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can they upload it to Apache-Extras if it still exists ?
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Christian Grobmeier
> <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> If bluesky project was rejected by ASF?
>>> would we continue to use SVN to upload our codes?
>>
>> Not the ASF SVN server.
>>
>> But you can use for example google code to host bluesky and upload to
>> there svn servers:
>> http://code.google.com/hosting/
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> 2011/7/6 Bernd Fondermann <be...@googlemail.com>
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> The vote to retire Bluesky succeeds with only +1 votes from
>>>> Martijn, Emmanuel, Bernd, Niklas, Tommaso, Bertrand, Chris, Ralph,
>>>> Christian, Noel, Luciano, Alan, Upayavira, Ross, Benson, Craig, Greg,
>>>> William (binding)
>>>> and Andreas Kuckartz, Kalle Korhonen, Henry Saputra (non-binding).
>>>> Please review the tally and correct it if neccessary.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for voting.
>>>>
>>>> I sincerly hope that Bluesky will nevertheless become open source
>>>> somewhere in the OSS universe.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bernd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 07:49, berndf <be...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> > Hi everyone,
>>>> >
>>>> > this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>>>> >
>>>> > 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
>>>> > becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
>>>> > developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
>>>> > lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
>>>> > every made.
>>>> >
>>>> > There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
>>>> > without much success.
>>>> >
>>>> > So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
>>>> > The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>>>> >
>>>> > [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
>>>> > [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
>>>> > [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for voting,
>>>> >
>>>> > Bernd
>>>> >
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>>>
>>
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> Thanks
> - Mohammad Nour
> Author of (WebSphere Application Server Community Edition 2.0 User Guide)
> http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247585.html
> - LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mnour
> - Blog: http://tadabborat.blogspot.com
> ----
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
> - Albert Einstein
>
> "Writing clean code is what you must do in order to call yourself a
> professional. There is no reasonable excuse for doing anything less
> than your best."
> - Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship
>
> "Stay hungry, stay foolish."
> - Steve Jobs
>
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Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>.
Can they upload it to Apache-Extras if it still exists ?
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Christian Grobmeier
<gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> If bluesky project was rejected by ASF?
>> would we continue to use SVN to upload our codes?
>
> Not the ASF SVN server.
>
> But you can use for example google code to host bluesky and upload to
> there svn servers:
> http://code.google.com/hosting/
>
>
>
>>
>> 2011/7/6 Bernd Fondermann <be...@googlemail.com>
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> The vote to retire Bluesky succeeds with only +1 votes from
>>> Martijn, Emmanuel, Bernd, Niklas, Tommaso, Bertrand, Chris, Ralph,
>>> Christian, Noel, Luciano, Alan, Upayavira, Ross, Benson, Craig, Greg,
>>> William (binding)
>>> and Andreas Kuckartz, Kalle Korhonen, Henry Saputra (non-binding).
>>> Please review the tally and correct it if neccessary.
>>>
>>> Thanks for voting.
>>>
>>> I sincerly hope that Bluesky will nevertheless become open source
>>> somewhere in the OSS universe.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bernd
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 07:49, berndf <be...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> > Hi everyone,
>>> >
>>> > this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>>> >
>>> > 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
>>> > becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
>>> > developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
>>> > lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
>>> > every made.
>>> >
>>> > There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
>>> > without much success.
>>> >
>>> > So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
>>> > The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>>> >
>>> > [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
>>> > [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
>>> > [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for voting,
>>> >
>>> > Bernd
>>> >
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>>> >
>>> >
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Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
Author of (WebSphere Application Server Community Edition 2.0 User Guide)
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247585.html
- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mnour
- Blog: http://tadabborat.blogspot.com
----
"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein
"Writing clean code is what you must do in order to call yourself a
professional. There is no reasonable excuse for doing anything less
than your best."
- Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship
"Stay hungry, stay foolish."
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Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
> If bluesky project was rejected by ASF?
> would we continue to use SVN to upload our codes?
Not the ASF SVN server.
But you can use for example google code to host bluesky and upload to
there svn servers:
http://code.google.com/hosting/
>
> 2011/7/6 Bernd Fondermann <be...@googlemail.com>
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> The vote to retire Bluesky succeeds with only +1 votes from
>> Martijn, Emmanuel, Bernd, Niklas, Tommaso, Bertrand, Chris, Ralph,
>> Christian, Noel, Luciano, Alan, Upayavira, Ross, Benson, Craig, Greg,
>> William (binding)
>> and Andreas Kuckartz, Kalle Korhonen, Henry Saputra (non-binding).
>> Please review the tally and correct it if neccessary.
>>
>> Thanks for voting.
>>
>> I sincerly hope that Bluesky will nevertheless become open source
>> somewhere in the OSS universe.
>>
>>
>> Bernd
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 07:49, berndf <be...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > Hi everyone,
>> >
>> > this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>> >
>> > 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
>> > becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
>> > developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
>> > lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
>> > every made.
>> >
>> > There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
>> > without much success.
>> >
>> > So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
>> > The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>> >
>> > [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
>> > [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
>> > [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>> >
>> > Thanks for voting,
>> >
>> > Bernd
>> >
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Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Chen Liu <li...@gmail.com>.
hi, all,
If bluesky project was rejected by ASF?
would we continue to use SVN to upload our codes?
2011/7/6 Bernd Fondermann <be...@googlemail.com>
> Hi everyone,
>
> The vote to retire Bluesky succeeds with only +1 votes from
> Martijn, Emmanuel, Bernd, Niklas, Tommaso, Bertrand, Chris, Ralph,
> Christian, Noel, Luciano, Alan, Upayavira, Ross, Benson, Craig, Greg,
> William (binding)
> and Andreas Kuckartz, Kalle Korhonen, Henry Saputra (non-binding).
> Please review the tally and correct it if neccessary.
>
> Thanks for voting.
>
> I sincerly hope that Bluesky will nevertheless become open source
> somewhere in the OSS universe.
>
>
> Bernd
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 07:49, berndf <be...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
> >
> > 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
> > becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
> > developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
> > lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
> > every made.
> >
> > There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
> > without much success.
> >
> > So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
> > The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
> >
> > [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
> > [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
> > [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
> >
> > Thanks for voting,
> >
> > Bernd
> >
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> >
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[RESULT][VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Bernd Fondermann <be...@googlemail.com>.
Hi everyone,
The vote to retire Bluesky succeeds with only +1 votes from
Martijn, Emmanuel, Bernd, Niklas, Tommaso, Bertrand, Chris, Ralph,
Christian, Noel, Luciano, Alan, Upayavira, Ross, Benson, Craig, Greg,
William (binding)
and Andreas Kuckartz, Kalle Korhonen, Henry Saputra (non-binding).
Please review the tally and correct it if neccessary.
Thanks for voting.
I sincerly hope that Bluesky will nevertheless become open source
somewhere in the OSS universe.
Bernd
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 07:49, berndf <be...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>
> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
> every made.
>
> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
> without much success.
>
> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>
> [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
> [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
> [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>
> Thanks for voting,
>
> Bernd
>
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Bernd Fondermann <be...@googlemail.com>.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 07:49, berndf <be...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>
> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
> every made.
>
> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
> without much success.
>
> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>
[X] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
Bernd
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Tommaso Teofili <to...@gmail.com>.
+1
Tommaso
2011/6/28 berndf <be...@apache.org>
> Hi everyone,
>
> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>
> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
> every made.
>
> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
> without much success.
>
> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>
> [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
> [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
> [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>
> Thanks for voting,
>
> Bernd
>
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by SamuelKevin <lo...@gmail.com>.
hi, all:
We'd better find a new mentor as soon as possible. Or what we've would
become futile.... it wouldn't be happy for us to see....
regards
Kevin
2011/6/29 SamuelKevin <lo...@gmail.com>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: berndf <be...@apache.org>
> Date: 2011/6/28
> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: bluesky-dev@incubator.apache.org
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>
> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
> every made.
>
> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
> without much success.
>
> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>
> [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
> [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
> [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>
> Thanks for voting,
>
> Bernd
>
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Fwd: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by SamuelKevin <lo...@gmail.com>.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: berndf <be...@apache.org>
Date: 2011/6/28
Subject: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc: bluesky-dev@incubator.apache.org
Hi everyone,
this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
every made.
There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
without much success.
So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
[] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
[] -0/+0, I'm undecided
[] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
Thanks for voting,
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I concur with Craig's thoughts.
>
> +1 to retire (binding).
>
+1, even with the whole discussion that there is a need for open
development right now and not in the future, the last Chen Lu messages
keeps trying to by more time with close development which goes against
the Apache Way.
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
I concur with Craig's thoughts.
+1 to retire (binding).
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 19:27, Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
> +1 for retiring Bluesky
>
> I believe that the Bluesky project is well-intentioned but just doesn't
> belong at Apache.
>
> The coders do not use mail lists for discussions of design, code,
> infrastructure, or other aspects of project management that Apache projects
> must do. "If it didn't happen on the mail lists, it didn't happen." This
> would tell me that nothing is happening, yet code appears out of thin air.
>
> The coders are not committers. There is no path for coders to become
> committers. Coders appear this year and disappear the next.
>
> Despite multiple attempts to teach Bluesky members what it means to be an
> Apache project, no progress has been made.
>
> I think we should wish them well in their new home, wherever that happens to
> be.
>
> Craig
>
> On Jul 1, 2011, at 4:14 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>
>> +1 (Binding)
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 to retire Bluesky (binding)
>>>
>>> I see no reason for suspending the vote. We've been round this
>>> particular merry-go-round many times already. Each time we're told
>>> "we'll do better". The votes been called lets just move on, the ASF is
>>> not the right home for this project for the reasons already discussed.
>>>
>>> Ross
>>>
>>> On 28 June 2011 06:49, berndf <be...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>>>>
>>>> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
>>>> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
>>>> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
>>>> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
>>>> every made.
>>>>
>>>> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
>>>> without much success.
>>>>
>>>> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
>>>> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>>>>
>>>> [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
>>>> [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
>>>> [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for voting,
>>>>
>>>> Bernd
>>>>
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by "William A. Rowe Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
On 7/1/2011 8:10 PM, Chen Liu wrote:
> We've already known our failure in ASF. We would not
> find any excuses for this bed situation.
> But we just hope one more month to release the 4th version work.
> We've been advancing Bluesky project and now the 4th version is an
> integtared system including something about commercial.
> We're aware of how to advance our development via ASF .
> Just give us one more month to finish the rest of work.
> If our work is not very well, pl vote us to retire.
Chen, the quality of the bluesky code is not one of the issues
in front of us. If you and other bluesky contributors can explain
what needs to change about the process of development, and why it
will be changed to fit with the Apache model of development, and
convince the list participants that these are the issues you will
address over the next month, people would have some more patience
to let you improve.
But the improvement is not about a release or code quality, etc.
Nothing in communications from bluesky project contributors has
even hinted that you understand what the underlying issues are,
in terms of participating in an transparent open source project.
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
+1 (non-binding) for the retirement proposal.
Chen, the vote has nothing to do with whether you manage to release
the 4th version or not, and the failure to see that and the failure to
understand what Apache and the incubator is about is a testament to
why the project should be retired, in my mind. On the other hand, I
don't see why Apache is relevant to your release; you can merrily go
ahead with releasing it without Apache at all.
Kalle
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Chen Liu <li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We've already known our failure in ASF. We would not
> find any excuses for this bed situation.
> But we just hope one more month to release the 4th version work.
> We've been advancing Bluesky project and now the 4th version is an
> integtared system including something about commercial.
> We're aware of how to advance our development via ASF .
> Just give us one more month to finish the rest of work.
> If our work is not very well, pl vote us to retire.
>
> 2011/7/2 Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com>
>
>> +1 for retiring Bluesky
>>
>> I believe that the Bluesky project is well-intentioned but just doesn't
>> belong at Apache.
>>
>> The coders do not use mail lists for discussions of design, code,
>> infrastructure, or other aspects of project management that Apache projects
>> must do. "If it didn't happen on the mail lists, it didn't happen." This
>> would tell me that nothing is happening, yet code appears out of thin air.
>>
>> The coders are not committers. There is no path for coders to become
>> committers. Coders appear this year and disappear the next.
>>
>> Despite multiple attempts to teach Bluesky members what it means to be an
>> Apache project, no progress has been made.
>>
>> I think we should wish them well in their new home, wherever that happens
>> to be.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>> On Jul 1, 2011, at 4:14 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>>
>> +1 (Binding)
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1 to retire Bluesky (binding)
>>>>
>>>> I see no reason for suspending the vote. We've been round this
>>>> particular merry-go-round many times already. Each time we're told
>>>> "we'll do better". The votes been called lets just move on, the ASF is
>>>> not the right home for this project for the reasons already discussed.
>>>>
>>>> Ross
>>>>
>>>> On 28 June 2011 06:49, berndf <be...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
>>>>> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
>>>>> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
>>>>> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
>>>>> every made.
>>>>>
>>>>> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
>>>>> without much success.
>>>>>
>>>>> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
>>>>> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>>>>>
>>>>> [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
>>>>> [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
>>>>> [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for voting,
>>>>>
>>>>> Bernd
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Chen Liu <li...@gmail.com>.
We've already known our failure in ASF. We would not
find any excuses for this bed situation.
But we just hope one more month to release the 4th version work.
We've been advancing Bluesky project and now the 4th version is an
integtared system including something about commercial.
We're aware of how to advance our development via ASF .
Just give us one more month to finish the rest of work.
If our work is not very well, pl vote us to retire.
2011/7/2 Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com>
> +1 for retiring Bluesky
>
> I believe that the Bluesky project is well-intentioned but just doesn't
> belong at Apache.
>
> The coders do not use mail lists for discussions of design, code,
> infrastructure, or other aspects of project management that Apache projects
> must do. "If it didn't happen on the mail lists, it didn't happen." This
> would tell me that nothing is happening, yet code appears out of thin air.
>
> The coders are not committers. There is no path for coders to become
> committers. Coders appear this year and disappear the next.
>
> Despite multiple attempts to teach Bluesky members what it means to be an
> Apache project, no progress has been made.
>
> I think we should wish them well in their new home, wherever that happens
> to be.
>
> Craig
>
>
> On Jul 1, 2011, at 4:14 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>
> +1 (Binding)
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 to retire Bluesky (binding)
>>>
>>> I see no reason for suspending the vote. We've been round this
>>> particular merry-go-round many times already. Each time we're told
>>> "we'll do better". The votes been called lets just move on, the ASF is
>>> not the right home for this project for the reasons already discussed.
>>>
>>> Ross
>>>
>>> On 28 June 2011 06:49, berndf <be...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>>>>
>>>> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
>>>> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
>>>> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
>>>> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
>>>> every made.
>>>>
>>>> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
>>>> without much success.
>>>>
>>>> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
>>>> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>>>>
>>>> [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
>>>> [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
>>>> [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for voting,
>>>>
>>>> Bernd
>>>>
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com>.
+1 for retiring Bluesky
I believe that the Bluesky project is well-intentioned but just
doesn't belong at Apache.
The coders do not use mail lists for discussions of design, code,
infrastructure, or other aspects of project management that Apache
projects must do. "If it didn't happen on the mail lists, it didn't
happen." This would tell me that nothing is happening, yet code
appears out of thin air.
The coders are not committers. There is no path for coders to become
committers. Coders appear this year and disappear the next.
Despite multiple attempts to teach Bluesky members what it means to be
an Apache project, no progress has been made.
I think we should wish them well in their new home, wherever that
happens to be.
Craig
On Jul 1, 2011, at 4:14 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> +1 (Binding)
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Ross Gardler <rgardler@opendirective.com
> > wrote:
>> +1 to retire Bluesky (binding)
>>
>> I see no reason for suspending the vote. We've been round this
>> particular merry-go-round many times already. Each time we're told
>> "we'll do better". The votes been called lets just move on, the ASF
>> is
>> not the right home for this project for the reasons already
>> discussed.
>>
>> Ross
>>
>> On 28 June 2011 06:49, berndf <be...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>>>
>>> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in
>>> terms of
>>> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors,
>>> and
>>> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the
>>> public
>>> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache
>>> release was
>>> every made.
>>>
>>> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
>>> without much success.
>>>
>>> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
>>> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>>>
>>> [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
>>> [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
>>> [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>>>
>>> Thanks for voting,
>>>
>>> Bernd
>>>
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
+1 (Binding)
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com> wrote:
> +1 to retire Bluesky (binding)
>
> I see no reason for suspending the vote. We've been round this
> particular merry-go-round many times already. Each time we're told
> "we'll do better". The votes been called lets just move on, the ASF is
> not the right home for this project for the reasons already discussed.
>
> Ross
>
> On 28 June 2011 06:49, berndf <be...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>>
>> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
>> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
>> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
>> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
>> every made.
>>
>> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
>> without much success.
>>
>> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
>> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>>
>> [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
>> [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
>> [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>>
>> Thanks for voting,
>>
>> Bernd
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
+1 to retire Bluesky (binding)
I see no reason for suspending the vote. We've been round this
particular merry-go-round many times already. Each time we're told
"we'll do better". The votes been called lets just move on, the ASF is
not the right home for this project for the reasons already discussed.
Ross
On 28 June 2011 06:49, berndf <be...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>
> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
> every made.
>
> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
> without much success.
>
> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>
> [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
> [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
> [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>
> Thanks for voting,
>
> Bernd
>
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RE: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
I don't have Internet access right now, except for ssh to my mail server.
Has anyone told the BlueSky project about this vote, yet?
I'm +1 for retirement, but feel that part of the process for retiring a
project should be notice to the project that retirement is being considered
and acted upon.
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Bernd Fondermann <be...@googlemail.com>.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 07:49, berndf <be...@apache.org> wrote:
> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
I'll extend the voting period until 2011-07-05 so the project has some
time to find new mentors.
Bernd
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
+1 (binding).
Cheers,
Chris
On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:49 PM, berndf wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>
> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
> every made.
>
> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
> without much success.
>
> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>
> [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
> [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
> [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>
> Thanks for voting,
>
> Bernd
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
+1
Regards,
Alan
On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:49 PM, berndf wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>
> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
> every made.
>
> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
> without much success.
>
> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>
> [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
> [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
> [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>
> Thanks for voting,
>
> Bernd
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:49 PM, berndf <be...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>
> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
> every made.
>
> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
> without much success.
>
> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>
> [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
> [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
> [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>
> Thanks for voting,
>
> Bernd
>
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Emmanuel Lecharny <el...@gmail.com>.
On 6/28/11 7:49 AM, berndf wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
+1
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>.
+1 (non-binding)
Looking at the (lack of) progress and interest, I think its time to
end incubation for Bluesky.
- Henry
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:49 PM, berndf <be...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>
> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
> every made.
>
> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
> without much success.
>
> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>
> [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
> [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
> [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>
> Thanks for voting,
>
> Bernd
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 7:49 AM, berndf <be...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>
> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
> every made.
>
> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
> without much success.
>
> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>
> [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
> [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
> [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>
> Thanks for voting,
>
> Bernd
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[RESULT][VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Bernd Fondermann <be...@googlemail.com>.
Hi everyone,
The vote to retire Bluesky succeeds with only +1 votes from
Martijn, Emmanuel, Bernd, Niklas, Tommaso, Bertrand, Chris, Ralph,
Christian, Noel, Luciano, Alan, Upayavira, Ross, Benson, Craig, Greg,
William (binding)
and Andreas Kuckartz, Kalle Korhonen, Henry Saputra (non-binding).
Please review the tally and correct it if neccessary.
Thanks for voting.
I sincerly hope that Bluesky will nevertheless become open source
somewhere in the OSS universe.
Bernd
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 07:49, berndf <be...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>
> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
> every made.
>
> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
> without much success.
>
> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>
> [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
> [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
> [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>
> Thanks for voting,
>
> Bernd
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 7:49 AM, berndf <be...@apache.org> wrote:
> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling....
+1
I will also forward the vote message to
bluesky-private@incubator.apache.org and to J.Aaron Farr and Bill
Stoddard, listed as mentors as
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/bluesky.html - just in case.
-Bertrand
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
+1 to retire (non-binding).
What worries me is that Chen is talking about a 4th release while the
website doesn't record the Copyright or Verify distribution rights as
having been completed.
+1 (non-binding) to remove the source from SVN upon retirement due to
the Copyright action items not being completed.
Hen
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:49 PM, berndf <be...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>
> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
> every made.
>
> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
> without much success.
>
> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>
> [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
> [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
> [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>
> Thanks for voting,
>
> Bernd
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
+1
Martijn
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 7:49 AM, berndf <be...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>
> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
> every made.
>
> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
> without much success.
>
> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>
> [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
> [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
> [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>
> Thanks for voting,
>
> Bernd
>
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com>.
+1
Ralph
On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:49 PM, berndf wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>
> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
> every made.
>
> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
> without much success.
>
> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>
> [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
> [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
> [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>
> Thanks for voting,
>
> Bernd
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Jack Cai <gr...@gmail.com>.
I have been on vacation since last week and missed this hot discussion.
I think BlueSky is a valuable project and the proposers/contributors
all have good intention to make the project successful here. I also
understand that due to the special way that the project operates
(short term students as the main workforce), ASF might not be the best
place for it. BlueSky could still succeed as an open source project
somewhere else.
-Jack
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Bill Stoddard <wg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would like to see this vote suspended until we can get some feedback from
> Jack Cai re whether he is willing to be a mentor.
>
> Bill
>
> On 6/28/11 1:49 AM, berndf wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>>
>> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
>> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
>> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
>> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
>> every made.
>>
>> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
>> without much success.
>>
>> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
>> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>>
>> [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
>> [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
>> [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>>
>> Thanks for voting,
>>
>> Bernd
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by "William A. Rowe Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
On 7/1/2011 7:58 PM, Chen Liu wrote:
> We're preparing for the 4th version release.
> We need the whole July to do this work,thanks for your patience.
Ok, stop.
I think you are all conflating "releases" with what is required
to continue here at the ASF.
"releases" have not been the main issue.
The month offers the chance to
* patches all submitted to the list for peer review, not passed
around the classroom or through an instructor.
* vote in new committers who offer consistently clean patches
and who express an interest in continuing to contribute
* commit patches as posted to the list per items one and two
* bring all development discussion to the list (again, as
opposed to a closed group such as the classroom)
* resolve licensing issues
None of this actually involves a "release" per say. If these
five things are not done, I believe the incubator will vote down
any release.
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[VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Bernd Fondermann <be...@googlemail.com>.
I don'tthink that a single mentor is nearly sufficient for this or any podling.
Taking the feedback above and below in this thread into account, there
seems few confidence if any that Bluesky will be able to become an
Apache project. I'll close the vote, which sees no other votes than
+1s ATM, on the 5th.
Bernd
On Friday, July 1, 2011, Noel J. Bergman <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
> Bill Stoddard wrote:
>
>> I would like to see this vote suspended until we can get some feedback
>> from Jack Cai re whether he is willing to be a mentor.
>
> I concur that we should suspend this vote pending the outcome of the
> project's attempt to reboot.
>
> --- Noel
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk>.
Chen, the suggestion is not for you to take July to complete your
release. If you told me you had cancelled the proposed release and were
working on migrating to open development at Apache, I might be prepared
to pause a month. Your comment only makes me feel inclined not to wait.
If you want to understand better what is expected of you, there are
plenty people here who can explain.
Upayavira
On Sat, 02 Jul 2011 08:58 +0800, "Chen Liu" <li...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> We're preparing for the 4th version release.
> We need the whole July to do this work,thanks for your patience.
>
> 2011/7/2 Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk>
>
> > I would support a one month wait. No more. They've had a long time. One
> > month is long enough to show seriousness. With no movement in that time,
> > a swift vote can close the project down.
> >
> > Upayavira
> >
> > On Fri, 01 Jul 2011 09:36 -0400, "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Bill Stoddard wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would like to see this vote suspended until we can get some feedback
> > > > from Jack Cai re whether he is willing to be a mentor.
> > >
> > > I concur that we should suspend this vote pending the outcome of the
> > > project's attempt to reboot.
> > >
> > > --- Noel
> > >
> > >
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Chen Liu <li...@gmail.com>.
We're preparing for the 4th version release.
We need the whole July to do this work,thanks for your patience.
2011/7/2 Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk>
> I would support a one month wait. No more. They've had a long time. One
> month is long enough to show seriousness. With no movement in that time,
> a swift vote can close the project down.
>
> Upayavira
>
> On Fri, 01 Jul 2011 09:36 -0400, "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>
> wrote:
> > Bill Stoddard wrote:
> >
> > > I would like to see this vote suspended until we can get some feedback
> > > from Jack Cai re whether he is willing to be a mentor.
> >
> > I concur that we should suspend this vote pending the outcome of the
> > project's attempt to reboot.
> >
> > --- Noel
> >
> >
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Andreas Kuckartz <A....@ping.de>.
The vote does not need to be suspended. It perhaps would be enough to
leave the vote open for a month. If there is at least one -1 by then the
podling might continue to exist, otherwise it is retired.
My non-binding vote on retirement:
+1
Cheers,
Andreas
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Am 01.07.2011 23:28, schrieb Upayavira:
> I would support a one month wait. No more. They've had a long time. One
> month is long enough to show seriousness. With no movement in that time,
> a swift vote can close the project down.
>
> Upayavira
>
> On Fri, 01 Jul 2011 09:36 -0400, "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>
> wrote:
>> Bill Stoddard wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to see this vote suspended until we can get some feedback
>>> from Jack Cai re whether he is willing to be a mentor.
>> I concur that we should suspend this vote pending the outcome of the
>> project's attempt to reboot.
>>
>> --- Noel
>>
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
> I would support a one month wait. No more. They've had a long time. One
> month is long enough to show seriousness. With no movement in that time,
> a swift vote can close the project down.
+1
Christian
> Upayavira
>
> On Fri, 01 Jul 2011 09:36 -0400, "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>
> wrote:
>> Bill Stoddard wrote:
>>
>> > I would like to see this vote suspended until we can get some feedback
>> > from Jack Cai re whether he is willing to be a mentor.
>>
>> I concur that we should suspend this vote pending the outcome of the
>> project's attempt to reboot.
>>
>> --- Noel
>>
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RE: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk>.
I would support a one month wait. No more. They've had a long time. One
month is long enough to show seriousness. With no movement in that time,
a swift vote can close the project down.
Upayavira
On Fri, 01 Jul 2011 09:36 -0400, "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>
wrote:
> Bill Stoddard wrote:
>
> > I would like to see this vote suspended until we can get some feedback
> > from Jack Cai re whether he is willing to be a mentor.
>
> I concur that we should suspend this vote pending the outcome of the
> project's attempt to reboot.
>
> --- Noel
>
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RE: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Bill Stoddard wrote:
> I would like to see this vote suspended until we can get some feedback
> from Jack Cai re whether he is willing to be a mentor.
I concur that we should suspend this vote pending the outcome of the
project's attempt to reboot.
--- Noel
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Bill Stoddard <wg...@gmail.com>.
I would like to see this vote suspended until we can get some feedback
from Jack Cai re whether he is willing to be a mentor.
Bill
On 6/28/11 1:49 AM, berndf wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>
> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
> every made.
>
> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
> without much success.
>
> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>
> [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
> [] -0/+0, I'm undecided
> [] -1, I will step up as a mentor, so let's give it another try
>
> Thanks for voting,
>
> Bernd
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk>.
On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 13:51 -0500, "William A. Rowe Jr."
<wr...@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
> On 6/28/2011 12:49 AM, berndf wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
> >
> > 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
> > becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
> > developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
> > lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
> > every made.
> >
> > There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
> > without much success.
> >
> > So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
> > The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
> >
> > [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
>
> +1
>
> I'm sorry that the chief advocates of this code still do not see the
> actual flaws in the development methodology. I really believe that the
> language barrier is a significant obstacle in discussing code on list
> and part of the reason this project still isn't functioning correctly,
> even though these advocates have been reminded over and over what must
> happen to survive as an ASF project.
>
> If the advocates wish to run this project in a transparent, collaborative
> and open Apache-like way, a Chinese language development discussion list
> and more liberal granting of commit access for the students terms could
> make a lot of sense. This need not happen at the ASF itself, but could
> be replicated anywhere.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't believe there is any effort to run this in an
> ASF-like collaborative way, so this project doesn't belong here. The
> issue of creating localized development discussion lists is another
> matter that could have been pursued, and may one day happen for one
> project or another, but I don't think it would be very fruitful to
> further force a round peg in a square hole.
Unfortunately, I concur.
+1
Upayavira
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Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling
Posted by "William A. Rowe Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
On 6/28/2011 12:49 AM, berndf wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling.
>
> 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of
> becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and
> developers are changing frequently without notifications on the public
> lists. Mentors are M.I.A. Reports are often late. No Apache release was
> every made.
>
> There were multiple attempts to reboot the podling (Thanks Luciano!)
> without much success.
>
> So now I'm calling a vote to end Incubation for Bluesky.
> The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC.
>
> [] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being
+1
I'm sorry that the chief advocates of this code still do not see the
actual flaws in the development methodology. I really believe that the
language barrier is a significant obstacle in discussing code on list
and part of the reason this project still isn't functioning correctly,
even though these advocates have been reminded over and over what must
happen to survive as an ASF project.
If the advocates wish to run this project in a transparent, collaborative
and open Apache-like way, a Chinese language development discussion list
and more liberal granting of commit access for the students terms could
make a lot of sense. This need not happen at the ASF itself, but could
be replicated anywhere.
Unfortunately, I don't believe there is any effort to run this in an
ASF-like collaborative way, so this project doesn't belong here. The
issue of creating localized development discussion lists is another
matter that could have been pursued, and may one day happen for one
project or another, but I don't think it would be very fruitful to
further force a round peg in a square hole.
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