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Committing binaries in CVS [Was] RE: cvs commit: jakarta-tomcat-connectors/procrun/bin tomcat.exe tomcatw.exe

Hola a todos: 

(Many time from my last post, things are settling here, so hope i will
contribute some code in future :) shields up, nacho will be messing
things shortly, now i'm only moderating our lists, and as some person
said time ago "moderation is to coding what washing dishes is to
cooking" :))

I know this was discussed before, but i dont really understand why it's
needed to have a binary (moreover a win32 binary ) in CVS, and if there
isn't a very good reason to do so, i'm against, and if there is a very
good reason, i hope i should be applicable to any other binary we
produce.. thing that i sincerely doubt ..


Saludos,
Ignacio J. Ortega


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mturk@apache.org [mailto:mturk@apache.org]
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:20 AM
> To: jakarta-tomcat-connectors-cvs@apache.org
> Subject: cvs commit: jakarta-tomcat-connectors/procrun/bin tomcat.exe
> tomcatw.exe
> 
> 
> mturk       2003/10/09 00:19:55
> 
>   Modified:    procrun/bin tomcat.exe tomcatw.exe
>   Log:
>   Latest binaries (built with VC6/SP5)
>   
>   Revision  Changes    Path
>   1.4       +28 -28    
> jakarta-tomcat-connectors/procrun/bin/tomcat.exe
>   
>   	<<Binary file>>
>   
>   
>   1.4       +42 -39    
> jakarta-tomcat-connectors/procrun/bin/tomcatw.exe
>   
>   	<<Binary file>>
>   
>   
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Re: Committing binaries in CVS [Was] RE: cvs commit: jakarta-tomcat-connectors/procrun/bin tomcat.exe tomcatw.exe

Posted by Henri Gomez <hg...@apache.org>.

Ignacio J. Ortega a écrit :

> Hola a todos: 
> 
> (Many time from my last post, things are settling here, so hope i will
> contribute some code in future :) shields up, nacho will be messing
> things shortly, now i'm only moderating our lists, and as some person
> said time ago "moderation is to coding what washing dishes is to
> cooking" :))
> 
> I know this was discussed before, but i dont really understand why it's
> needed to have a binary (moreover a win32 binary ) in CVS, and if there
> isn't a very good reason to do so, i'm against, and if there is a very
> good reason, i hope i should be applicable to any other binary we
> produce.. thing that i sincerely doubt ..

I agree with nacho, exec bins should be only be present in tarball/zip,
not in CVS.

CVS is a source repository ;-)


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Re: Committing binaries in CVS [Was] RE: cvs commit: jakarta-tomcat-connectors/procrun/bin tomcat.exe tomcatw.exe

Posted by jean-frederic clere <jf...@fujitsu-siemens.com>.

Bill Barker wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "jean-frederic clere" <jf...@fujitsu-siemens.com>
> To: "Tomcat Developers List" <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:52 AM
> Subject: Re: Committing binaries in CVS [Was] RE: cvs commit:
> jakarta-tomcat-connectors/procrun/bin tomcat.exe tomcatw.exe
> 
> 
> 
>>Remy Maucherat wrote:
>>
>>>Ignacio J. Ortega wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hola a todos:
>>>>(Many time from my last post, things are settling here, so hope i will
>>>>contribute some code in future :) shields up, nacho will be messing
>>>>things shortly, now i'm only moderating our lists, and as some person
>>>>said time ago "moderation is to coding what washing dishes is to
>>>>cooking" :))
>>>>
>>>>I know this was discussed before, but i dont really understand why it's
>>>>needed to have a binary (moreover a win32 binary ) in CVS, and if there
>>>>isn't a very good reason to do so, i'm against, and if there is a very
>>>>good reason, i hope i should be applicable to any other binary we
>>>>produce.. thing that i sincerely doubt ..
>>>
>>>
>>>Sorry to disagree, but it's impossible to build the said binaries
>>>without expensive compilers. (please do not suggest Cygwin)
>>
>>Why? Is the Makefile broken?
>>
> 
> 
> AFAIK, no.  It's just that Remy can't publish a version that requires
> Cygwin.

It does not require cygwin.

>  And, as Remy has pointed out, to build a version of procrun that
> runs under a plain-vanilla install of Windows requires that you have a
> commercial (read MSVC) compiler.  The cost of requiring this is just too
> high to demand of an O/S project.  Now, if someone wants to suggest an O/S
> C-compiler for Windows that doesn't require Cygwin, I'm all ears :).
> 
> 
>>>So -1 to remove them, I need them where they are.
>>>
>>>Remy
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Committing binaries in CVS [Was] RE: cvs commit: jakarta-tomcat-connectors/procrun/bin tomcat.exe tomcatw.exe

Posted by Bill Barker <wb...@wilshire.com>.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jean-frederic clere" <jf...@fujitsu-siemens.com>
To: "Tomcat Developers List" <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: Committing binaries in CVS [Was] RE: cvs commit:
jakarta-tomcat-connectors/procrun/bin tomcat.exe tomcatw.exe


> Remy Maucherat wrote:
> > Ignacio J. Ortega wrote:
> >
> >> Hola a todos:
> >> (Many time from my last post, things are settling here, so hope i will
> >> contribute some code in future :) shields up, nacho will be messing
> >> things shortly, now i'm only moderating our lists, and as some person
> >> said time ago "moderation is to coding what washing dishes is to
> >> cooking" :))
> >>
> >> I know this was discussed before, but i dont really understand why it's
> >> needed to have a binary (moreover a win32 binary ) in CVS, and if there
> >> isn't a very good reason to do so, i'm against, and if there is a very
> >> good reason, i hope i should be applicable to any other binary we
> >> produce.. thing that i sincerely doubt ..
> >
> >
> > Sorry to disagree, but it's impossible to build the said binaries
> > without expensive compilers. (please do not suggest Cygwin)
>
> Why? Is the Makefile broken?
>

AFAIK, no.  It's just that Remy can't publish a version that requires
Cygwin.  And, as Remy has pointed out, to build a version of procrun that
runs under a plain-vanilla install of Windows requires that you have a
commercial (read MSVC) compiler.  The cost of requiring this is just too
high to demand of an O/S project.  Now, if someone wants to suggest an O/S
C-compiler for Windows that doesn't require Cygwin, I'm all ears :).

> >
> > So -1 to remove them, I need them where they are.
> >
> > Remy
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Committing binaries in CVS [Was] RE: cvs commit: jakarta-tomcat-connectors/procrun/bin tomcat.exe tomcatw.exe

Posted by jean-frederic clere <jf...@fujitsu-siemens.com>.

Mladen Turk wrote:
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: jean-frederic clere
>>
>>Remy Maucherat wrote:
>>
>>>Ignacio J. Ortega wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Sorry to disagree, but it's impossible to build the said binaries
>>>without expensive compilers. (please do not suggest Cygwin)
>>
>>Why? Is the Makefile broken?
>>
> 
> 
> Doesn't matter. We need the tomcat.exe and tomcatw.exe only.
> While the tomcat.exe could be compiled using cygwin or mingw, there is a
> problem with tomcatw.exe. The GNU's resource compilers doesn't handle
> the
> BITMAP resources so we are missing those whenever building with those
> tools.

Ok, I have noted the resources were missing but I have not tried to arrange it.

> Also I'm not sure about the License and Cygwin binaries (that's too
> fuzzy, so I don't even bother to compile something with cygwin).

I will try to ask them.

> 
> AFAICT we don't build WIN32 distributable binaries with those tools for
> any j-t-c project.
> Further more, apache2.x installation is build with InstallShield
> (another expensive tool), and
> nobody complains about that.

:-((

> 
> So, find the space that can be reached from ant when building Tomcat5,
> and I'll put the binaries there,
> since we don't need them for anything but the nsis TC5 install package.

I do not want to remove the binaries now, I am just reaching a "Open Source" way 
to produce them.

> 
> 
> 
>>>So -1 to remove them, I need them where they are.
>>>
> 
> 
> As I said, you need them where they can be found duiring build process.
> 
> MT.
> 
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Re: Committing binaries in CVS [Was] RE: cvs commit: jakarta-tomcat-connectors/procrun/bin tomcat.exe tomcatw.exe

Posted by Henri Gomez <hg...@apache.org>.

Mladen Turk a écrit :

> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: jean-frederic clere
>>
>>Remy Maucherat wrote:
>>
>>>Ignacio J. Ortega wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Sorry to disagree, but it's impossible to build the said binaries
>>>without expensive compilers. (please do not suggest Cygwin)
>>
>>Why? Is the Makefile broken?
>>
> 
> 
> Doesn't matter. We need the tomcat.exe and tomcatw.exe only.
> While the tomcat.exe could be compiled using cygwin or mingw, there is a
> problem with tomcatw.exe. The GNU's resource compilers doesn't handle
> the
> BITMAP resources so we are missing those whenever building with those
> tools.
> Also I'm not sure about the License and Cygwin binaries (that's too
> fuzzy, so I don't even bother to compile something with cygwin).
> 
> AFAICT we don't build WIN32 distributable binaries with those tools for
> any j-t-c project.
> Further more, apache2.x installation is build with InstallShield
> (another expensive tool), and
> nobody complains about that.

ASF (or just Apache Team) have a special aggrement with InstallShield so
they could use it.

May be we should ask the same to Microsoft for it's Visual C++ ;--)



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RE: Committing binaries in CVS [Was] RE: cvs commit: jakarta-tomcat-connectors/procrun/bin tomcat.exe tomcatw.exe

Posted by Mladen Turk <mt...@apache.org>.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jean-frederic clere
> 
> Remy Maucherat wrote:
> > Ignacio J. Ortega wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Sorry to disagree, but it's impossible to build the said binaries
> > without expensive compilers. (please do not suggest Cygwin)
> 
> Why? Is the Makefile broken?
>

Doesn't matter. We need the tomcat.exe and tomcatw.exe only.
While the tomcat.exe could be compiled using cygwin or mingw, there is a
problem with tomcatw.exe. The GNU's resource compilers doesn't handle
the
BITMAP resources so we are missing those whenever building with those
tools.
Also I'm not sure about the License and Cygwin binaries (that's too
fuzzy, so I don't even bother to compile something with cygwin).

AFAICT we don't build WIN32 distributable binaries with those tools for
any j-t-c project.
Further more, apache2.x installation is build with InstallShield
(another expensive tool), and
nobody complains about that.

So, find the space that can be reached from ant when building Tomcat5,
and I'll put the binaries there,
since we don't need them for anything but the nsis TC5 install package. 

> > 
> > So -1 to remove them, I need them where they are.
> > 

As I said, you need them where they can be found duiring build process.

MT.

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Re: Committing binaries in CVS [Was] RE: cvs commit: jakarta-tomcat-connectors/procrun/bin tomcat.exe tomcatw.exe

Posted by jean-frederic clere <jf...@fujitsu-siemens.com>.

Remy Maucherat wrote:
> Ignacio J. Ortega wrote:
> 
>> Hola a todos:
>> (Many time from my last post, things are settling here, so hope i will
>> contribute some code in future :) shields up, nacho will be messing
>> things shortly, now i'm only moderating our lists, and as some person
>> said time ago "moderation is to coding what washing dishes is to
>> cooking" :))
>>
>> I know this was discussed before, but i dont really understand why it's
>> needed to have a binary (moreover a win32 binary ) in CVS, and if there
>> isn't a very good reason to do so, i'm against, and if there is a very
>> good reason, i hope i should be applicable to any other binary we
>> produce.. thing that i sincerely doubt ..
> 
> 
> Sorry to disagree, but it's impossible to build the said binaries 
> without expensive compilers. (please do not suggest Cygwin)

Why? Is the Makefile broken?

> 
> So -1 to remove them, I need them where they are.
> 
> Remy
> 
> 
> 
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