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Maven and Big Projects. Help and ideas.
Hi,
I am working on a very big billing project with 40 developers, and I
am intending to use maven on it.
Some questions that are still in my mind.
How do you usually devide the project into small units to ease
development and local deployment/testing??
Actually I did a multiproject in the initial framework based on the
following structure:
project
+--base (base configuration for other projects)
+--common (common classes to be used between web and business modules)
+--business (ejbs)
+--web (web...)
As I can see, it is not going to be a good idea to have a lot of ejbs
into de business jar. Nor will be having all the web resources inside
the web war.
How do you usually do in your big projects??
Thanks for any help.
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Re: Maven and Big Projects. Help and ideas.
Posted by dan tran <da...@gmail.com>.
On 8/18/05, Marcelo Alcantara <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Dan,
>
> Thank you very much for the reply.
>
> I still have some doubts and think that maybe you can help me.
>
> 1)
> web
> parent
> common
> war
>
> What would be contained inside the common and parent?? It would
> generate different wars??
>
sorry i was following the best practice found in maven. Common only used if
you have multiple project sharing jar
If you want to see a good usage of parent, take a look
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/maven-1/plugins/trunk
> 2) The whole big project (ear) would take some time to deploy. How
> would each developer deploy small parts to tests their development
> separatelly?? My developers will be doing junit tests on their session
> ejbs...but at some points they will have to do something more
> integrated.
In your env, developer should be able test as much they can in term of
session ejb.
You can setup some continuous integration like continuum ,
cruisecontrol luntbuild, etc to build, deploy the ear and run
integration from there.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Marcelo
>
>
>
> On 8/17/05, dan tran <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Marcelo,
> >
> > Maven promotes cohesive build, one artifact per project. this works out
> > very well for us here with very big proeject. In your case,
> >
> > Your bussiness project will have many smaller projects under underneath.
> > Then you will have on project on project to aggregate related sub project
> > together.
> >
> > bussiness
> > jar1
> > jar2
> > jar3
> > parent <- not artifact build but has common setting
> > common <---- shared jar used by other
> > ear?
> > web
> > parent
> > common
> > war
> > etc...
> >
> > Hope it helps...
> >
> > But if you have specific question on deployment .. feel free to ping more
> >
> > -D
> >
> > On 8/17/05, Jesse McConnell <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > sorry, not a clue :/
> > >
> > > sure someone else on here has dealt with it though :)
> > >
> > > best of luck,
> > > jesse
> > >
> > > On 8/17/05, Marcelo Alcantara <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi Jesse,
> > > >
> > > > I am right now working with Maven 1. As I don´t feel safe in using
> > > > Maven 2 yet (should I??).
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas for it based on Maven 1??
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Marcelo
> > > >
> > > > On 8/17/05, Jesse McConnell <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > you thinking maven 1 or 2?
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't speak to maven1, but this project design would be pretty easy
> > > > > to implement and manage in m2. I think John is planning on making a
> > > > > sample large project archetype to bootstrap the design layout of a
> > > > > project like this..
> > > > >
> > > > > but is really is pretty easy in m2, imo at least
> > > > >
> > > > > Jesse
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/17/05, Marcelo Alcantara <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am working on a very big billing project with 40 developers, and I
> > > > > > am intending to use maven on it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some questions that are still in my mind.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How do you usually devide the project into small units to ease
> > > > > > development and local deployment/testing??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Actually I did a multiproject in the initial framework based on the
> > > > > > following structure:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > project
> > > > > > +--base (base configuration for other projects)
> > > > > > +--common (common classes to be used between web and business modules)
> > > > > > +--business (ejbs)
> > > > > > +--web (web...)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As I can see, it is not going to be a good idea to have a lot of ejbs
> > > > > > into de business jar. Nor will be having all the web resources inside
> > > > > > the web war.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How do you usually do in your big projects??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for any help.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Marcelo Alcantara
> > > > > > Senior Developer/Architect
> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > maralc@gmail.com
> > > > > > +55 11 81968823
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> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > --
> > > > > jesse mcconnell
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> > > > >
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> > > > Marcelo Alcantara
> > > > Senior Developer/Architect
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Re: Maven and Big Projects. Help and ideas.
Posted by Marcelo Alcantara <ma...@gmail.com>.
Hi Dan,
Thank you very much for the reply.
I still have some doubts and think that maybe you can help me.
1)
web
parent
common
war
What would be contained inside the common and parent?? It would
generate different wars??
2) The whole big project (ear) would take some time to deploy. How
would each developer deploy small parts to tests their development
separatelly?? My developers will be doing junit tests on their session
ejbs...but at some points they will have to do something more
integrated.
Thanks in advance!
Marcelo
On 8/17/05, dan tran <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Marcelo,
>
> Maven promotes cohesive build, one artifact per project. this works out
> very well for us here with very big proeject. In your case,
>
> Your bussiness project will have many smaller projects under underneath.
> Then you will have on project on project to aggregate related sub project
> together.
>
> bussiness
> jar1
> jar2
> jar3
> parent <- not artifact build but has common setting
> common <---- shared jar used by other
> ear?
> web
> parent
> common
> war
> etc...
>
> Hope it helps...
>
> But if you have specific question on deployment .. feel free to ping more
>
> -D
>
> On 8/17/05, Jesse McConnell <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > sorry, not a clue :/
> >
> > sure someone else on here has dealt with it though :)
> >
> > best of luck,
> > jesse
> >
> > On 8/17/05, Marcelo Alcantara <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Jesse,
> > >
> > > I am right now working with Maven 1. As I don´t feel safe in using
> > > Maven 2 yet (should I??).
> > >
> > > Any ideas for it based on Maven 1??
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Marcelo
> > >
> > > On 8/17/05, Jesse McConnell <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > you thinking maven 1 or 2?
> > > >
> > > > I can't speak to maven1, but this project design would be pretty easy
> > > > to implement and manage in m2. I think John is planning on making a
> > > > sample large project archetype to bootstrap the design layout of a
> > > > project like this..
> > > >
> > > > but is really is pretty easy in m2, imo at least
> > > >
> > > > Jesse
> > > >
> > > > On 8/17/05, Marcelo Alcantara <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am working on a very big billing project with 40 developers, and I
> > > > > am intending to use maven on it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some questions that are still in my mind.
> > > > >
> > > > > How do you usually devide the project into small units to ease
> > > > > development and local deployment/testing??
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually I did a multiproject in the initial framework based on the
> > > > > following structure:
> > > > >
> > > > > project
> > > > > +--base (base configuration for other projects)
> > > > > +--common (common classes to be used between web and business modules)
> > > > > +--business (ejbs)
> > > > > +--web (web...)
> > > > >
> > > > > As I can see, it is not going to be a good idea to have a lot of ejbs
> > > > > into de business jar. Nor will be having all the web resources inside
> > > > > the web war.
> > > > >
> > > > > How do you usually do in your big projects??
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for any help.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Marcelo Alcantara
> > > > > Senior Developer/Architect
> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > maralc@gmail.com
> > > > > +55 11 81968823
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > --
> > > > jesse mcconnell
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Marcelo Alcantara
> > > Senior Developer/Architect
> > > --------------------------------------------------------
> > > maralc@gmail.com
> > > +55 11 81968823
> > >
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Re: Maven and Big Projects. Help and ideas.
Posted by dan tran <da...@gmail.com>.
Marcelo,
Maven promotes cohesive build, one artifact per project. this works out
very well for us here with very big proeject. In your case,
Your bussiness project will have many smaller projects under underneath.
Then you will have on project on project to aggregate related sub project
together.
bussiness
jar1
jar2
jar3
parent <- not artifact build but has common setting
common <---- shared jar used by other
ear?
web
parent
common
war
etc...
Hope it helps...
But if you have specific question on deployment .. feel free to ping more
-D
On 8/17/05, Jesse McConnell <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
> sorry, not a clue :/
>
> sure someone else on here has dealt with it though :)
>
> best of luck,
> jesse
>
> On 8/17/05, Marcelo Alcantara <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Jesse,
> >
> > I am right now working with Maven 1. As I don´t feel safe in using
> > Maven 2 yet (should I??).
> >
> > Any ideas for it based on Maven 1??
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Marcelo
> >
> > On 8/17/05, Jesse McConnell <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > you thinking maven 1 or 2?
> > >
> > > I can't speak to maven1, but this project design would be pretty easy
> > > to implement and manage in m2. I think John is planning on making a
> > > sample large project archetype to bootstrap the design layout of a
> > > project like this..
> > >
> > > but is really is pretty easy in m2, imo at least
> > >
> > > Jesse
> > >
> > > On 8/17/05, Marcelo Alcantara <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I am working on a very big billing project with 40 developers, and I
> > > > am intending to use maven on it.
> > > >
> > > > Some questions that are still in my mind.
> > > >
> > > > How do you usually devide the project into small units to ease
> > > > development and local deployment/testing??
> > > >
> > > > Actually I did a multiproject in the initial framework based on the
> > > > following structure:
> > > >
> > > > project
> > > > +--base (base configuration for other projects)
> > > > +--common (common classes to be used between web and business modules)
> > > > +--business (ejbs)
> > > > +--web (web...)
> > > >
> > > > As I can see, it is not going to be a good idea to have a lot of ejbs
> > > > into de business jar. Nor will be having all the web resources inside
> > > > the web war.
> > > >
> > > > How do you usually do in your big projects??
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for any help.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Marcelo Alcantara
> > > > Senior Developer/Architect
> > > > --------------------------------------------------------
> > > > maralc@gmail.com
> > > > +55 11 81968823
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@maven.apache.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > --
> > > jesse mcconnell
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Marcelo Alcantara
> > Senior Developer/Architect
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > maralc@gmail.com
> > +55 11 81968823
> >
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> >
>
>
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> --
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>
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Re: Maven and Big Projects. Help and ideas.
Posted by Jesse McConnell <je...@gmail.com>.
sorry, not a clue :/
sure someone else on here has dealt with it though :)
best of luck,
jesse
On 8/17/05, Marcelo Alcantara <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Jesse,
>
> I am right now working with Maven 1. As I don´t feel safe in using
> Maven 2 yet (should I??).
>
> Any ideas for it based on Maven 1??
>
> Regards,
>
> Marcelo
>
> On 8/17/05, Jesse McConnell <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > you thinking maven 1 or 2?
> >
> > I can't speak to maven1, but this project design would be pretty easy
> > to implement and manage in m2. I think John is planning on making a
> > sample large project archetype to bootstrap the design layout of a
> > project like this..
> >
> > but is really is pretty easy in m2, imo at least
> >
> > Jesse
> >
> > On 8/17/05, Marcelo Alcantara <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I am working on a very big billing project with 40 developers, and I
> > > am intending to use maven on it.
> > >
> > > Some questions that are still in my mind.
> > >
> > > How do you usually devide the project into small units to ease
> > > development and local deployment/testing??
> > >
> > > Actually I did a multiproject in the initial framework based on the
> > > following structure:
> > >
> > > project
> > > +--base (base configuration for other projects)
> > > +--common (common classes to be used between web and business modules)
> > > +--business (ejbs)
> > > +--web (web...)
> > >
> > > As I can see, it is not going to be a good idea to have a lot of ejbs
> > > into de business jar. Nor will be having all the web resources inside
> > > the web war.
> > >
> > > How do you usually do in your big projects??
> > >
> > > Thanks for any help.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Marcelo Alcantara
> > > Senior Developer/Architect
> > > --------------------------------------------------------
> > > maralc@gmail.com
> > > +55 11 81968823
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> > --
> > jesse mcconnell
> >
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> >
>
>
> --
> Marcelo Alcantara
> Senior Developer/Architect
> --------------------------------------------------------
> maralc@gmail.com
> +55 11 81968823
>
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Re: Maven and Big Projects. Help and ideas.
Posted by Marcelo Alcantara <ma...@gmail.com>.
Hi Jesse,
I am right now working with Maven 1. As I don´t feel safe in using
Maven 2 yet (should I??).
Any ideas for it based on Maven 1??
Regards,
Marcelo
On 8/17/05, Jesse McConnell <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
> you thinking maven 1 or 2?
>
> I can't speak to maven1, but this project design would be pretty easy
> to implement and manage in m2. I think John is planning on making a
> sample large project archetype to bootstrap the design layout of a
> project like this..
>
> but is really is pretty easy in m2, imo at least
>
> Jesse
>
> On 8/17/05, Marcelo Alcantara <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am working on a very big billing project with 40 developers, and I
> > am intending to use maven on it.
> >
> > Some questions that are still in my mind.
> >
> > How do you usually devide the project into small units to ease
> > development and local deployment/testing??
> >
> > Actually I did a multiproject in the initial framework based on the
> > following structure:
> >
> > project
> > +--base (base configuration for other projects)
> > +--common (common classes to be used between web and business modules)
> > +--business (ejbs)
> > +--web (web...)
> >
> > As I can see, it is not going to be a good idea to have a lot of ejbs
> > into de business jar. Nor will be having all the web resources inside
> > the web war.
> >
> > How do you usually do in your big projects??
> >
> > Thanks for any help.
> >
> > --
> > Marcelo Alcantara
> > Senior Developer/Architect
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > maralc@gmail.com
> > +55 11 81968823
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >
> >
>
>
> --
> --
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Re: Maven and Big Projects. Help and ideas.
Posted by Jesse McConnell <je...@gmail.com>.
you thinking maven 1 or 2?
I can't speak to maven1, but this project design would be pretty easy
to implement and manage in m2. I think John is planning on making a
sample large project archetype to bootstrap the design layout of a
project like this..
but is really is pretty easy in m2, imo at least
Jesse
On 8/17/05, Marcelo Alcantara <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am working on a very big billing project with 40 developers, and I
> am intending to use maven on it.
>
> Some questions that are still in my mind.
>
> How do you usually devide the project into small units to ease
> development and local deployment/testing??
>
> Actually I did a multiproject in the initial framework based on the
> following structure:
>
> project
> +--base (base configuration for other projects)
> +--common (common classes to be used between web and business modules)
> +--business (ejbs)
> +--web (web...)
>
> As I can see, it is not going to be a good idea to have a lot of ejbs
> into de business jar. Nor will be having all the web resources inside
> the web war.
>
> How do you usually do in your big projects??
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> --
> Marcelo Alcantara
> Senior Developer/Architect
> --------------------------------------------------------
> maralc@gmail.com
> +55 11 81968823
>
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