Roles (was OFBiz proposal)

["Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>]

David N. Welton wrote:

> Roy T. Fielding wrote:
> > Where are the mentors?  Are the champions also going
> > to mentor the project?

> According to the docs I read, the incubator PMC is supposed to assign
> them.

The docs still need revising.

The Champion role really ends when the project is accepted for Incubation.
If a champion is also going to be a Mentor, that's a separate role.

If the project is sponsored by another PMC, they must line up Mentors first,
or we are going to bounce the project as being out of conformance with
Incubation requirements.  If the Incubator PMC sponsors the project, there
must be Mentors lined up before we vote for it.  We are not in the business
of providing or "assigning" Mentors.  Having Mentors serves a number of
legal and structural purposes, and effectively limits the Incubator.  If
there isn't sufficient interest that we have active Mentors participating,
we cannot incubate the project.  Simple as that.

In any event, I believe that I have heard that J. Aaron Farr and David are
keen to act as Mentors.  Yoav is willing, but not overly keen.  Anyone else?
I have noticed interest amongst other Members.

	--- Noel


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Re: Roles (was OFBiz proposal)

[Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>]

Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> David N. Welton wrote:
> 
> 
>>Roy T. Fielding wrote:
>>
>>>Where are the mentors?  Are the champions also going
>>>to mentor the project?
> 
> 
>>According to the docs I read, the incubator PMC is supposed to assign
>>them.
> 
> 
> The docs still need revising.
> 
> The Champion role really ends when the project is accepted for Incubation.
> If a champion is also going to be a Mentor, that's a separate role.

...

> In any event, I believe that I have heard that J. Aaron Farr and David are
> keen to act as Mentors.  Yoav is willing, but not overly keen.  Anyone else?
> I have noticed interest amongst other Members.

If necessary I will be a mentor, although since there already to be 
enough volunteers I will probably serve the project and the Incubator 
better by using this as an opportunity to learn exactly what the mentor 
role is.

Ross

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Re: Roles (was OFBiz proposal)

[Gianugo Rabellino <gi...@apache.org>]

On Jan 27, 2006, at 4:36 PM, J Aaron Farr wrote:

> And as for OFBiz itself, both David and I are willing to mentor and
> others have said they'll step up to the role if necessary.  Do you
> want me to update the proposal or is it fine as it is?

I've been just lurking so far since I didn't have any time left to  
follow up closely, but I'm more than willing to help as well.

Ciao,

-- 
Gianugo Rabellino
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Re: Roles (was OFBiz proposal)

[J Aaron Farr <fa...@apache.org>]

On 1/26/06, Noel J. Bergman <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
> David N. Welton wrote:
>
> > Roy T. Fielding wrote:
> > > Where are the mentors?  Are the champions also going
> > > to mentor the project?
>
> > According to the docs I read, the incubator PMC is supposed to assign
> > them.
>
> The docs still need revising.

Yep.

Though I am interested in one more clarification:  number of mentors. 
According to the current docs, there's only one mentor.  However, in
practice, they are sometimes several.  Is this an issue?  Is it better
to have one person have the final responsibility or to spread it out?

> If the project is sponsored by another PMC, they must line up Mentors first,
> or we are going to bounce the project as being out of conformance with
> Incubation requirements.  If the Incubator PMC sponsors the project, there
> must be Mentors lined up before we vote for it.  We are not in the business
> of providing or "assigning" Mentors.  Having Mentors serves a number of
> legal and structural purposes, and effectively limits the Incubator.  If
> there isn't sufficient interest that we have active Mentors participating,
> we cannot incubate the project.  Simple as that.

Can I just change the docs to reflect this or do we need a formal vote
for changing "official" policy documents?

And as for OFBiz itself, both David and I are willing to mentor and
others have said they'll step up to the role if necessary.  Do you
want me to update the proposal or is it fine as it is?

--
  jaaron

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