What is the status with Avalon replacement

[Serhiy <ra...@rambler.ru>]

Hello,

I am a java developer and having a big interest to the creating free and
powerfull mailing platform I decided to join Apache james project. But
from the very beginning I am starting to have some doubts. Mainly this
is related to the usage of Apache Avalon framework. Their official site
says that the project (I mean Avalon) is closed since 2004. But this was
2 years ago and as far as I can see you still use their code. The dubts
I have related to the question what is the futuire of Apache James.
Please don't get me wrong. I don't try to push you to something or tell
you how you should work on James project. I am really interested in
this project and I consodered possibility to join it as a contributor.
But I am not sure what future James has if it uses framework of the
project which died 3 years ago (Avalon). Are you still planning to use
Avalon? On your wiki you write that you are discussing a question to 
replace Avalon. But Avalon died 3 years ago. I mean that a lot of time 
passed since that. Do you have any edcision on this?
I will be greatly appreciated if you could explain me what is
the status with usage of Avalon framework.

Thanks,
--
Serhiy

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Re: What is the status with Avalon replacement

[Bernd Fondermann <be...@googlemail.com>]

On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Serhiy <ra...@rambler.ru> wrote:
> Hello,
>
>  I am a java developer and having a big interest to the creating free and
>  powerfull mailing platform I decided to join Apache james project.

Great!

> But
>  from the very beginning I am starting to have some doubts. Mainly this
>  is related to the usage of Apache Avalon framework. Their official site
>  says that the project (I mean Avalon) is closed since 2004. But this was
>  2 years ago and as far as I can see you still use their code. The dubts
>  I have related to the question what is the futuire of Apache James.

The Avalon project is closed, but the code is still available, so we
have everything we eventually need.
There is no active development and it would be exaggerated to say that
makes life easier for us.
We downstream our avalon-related libraries from project Excalibur (
excalibur.apache.org ) which is the new home to all the stuff we need
from Avalon.

>  Please don't get me wrong. I don't try to push you to something or tell
>  you how you should work on James project. I am really interested in
>  this project and I consodered possibility to join it as a contributor.

Please do so! For starters, you can have a look at
http://james.apache.org/contribute.html .

>  But I am not sure what future James has if it uses framework of the
>  project which died 3 years ago (Avalon).

In fact we use libraries even older than 4 years. This is to be
expected for an grown-up project like James ;-)

> Are you still planning to use
>  Avalon? On your wiki you write that you are discussing a question to
>  replace Avalon.

Yes, we make heavy use of it.

>  I will be greatly appreciated if you could explain me what is
>  the status with usage of Avalon framework.

Our main distribution is based on Avalon/Phoenix and we have a wrapper
around that using Spring which is unreleased and which cannot work
without Avalon.

  Bernd

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