cocoon is fundamentally flawed - Re: -1 to Anakia

[Robert Koberg <ro...@koberg.com>]

cocoon needs a processing instruction in the content.  The content tells the
system what to do.  This is backwards of how it should be.  If the idea is
to have reusable content then why polute the content right off the bat.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Ball" <ba...@webslingerZ.com>
To: <ge...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: -1 to Anakia


> On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, Andy Clark wrote:
>
> > After I finish writing up the docs in the current format, I'm
> > going to be looking at bending the StyleBook stylesheets (not
> > the engine) to my will so that I can create a whole new look
> > for Xerces2. If I'm able to do that, then I will definitely
> > making it much less graphics heavy.
>
> hear, hear.
>
> > I'll finish reading the rest of this thread before I ask the
> > following questions:
> >
> >   [Q] Is Cocoon2 ready? (and how big is it?)
>
> pretty much. the webapp i'm creating for the cocoon web site is a tad
> under 5M, but that's only because it includes all required libraries.
> the cocoon jar itself is 600k.
>
> >   [Q] Can it be used in stand-alone mode?
>
> if you're asking can it be used to generate a static set of files for a
> web site, then yes, although it is not our desire to deploy it on
> apache.org that way.
>
> - donald
>
>
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Re: cocoon is fundamentally flawed - Re: -1 to Anakia

[Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>]

Robert Koberg wrote:
> 
> cocoon needs a processing instruction in the content.  The content tells the
> system what to do.  This is backwards of how it should be.  If the idea is
> to have reusable content then why polute the content right off the bat.

Actually, this is a mis-statement.  Our whole conversation has been centered
around Cocoon version 2.  That version of Cocoon does not require adding
processing instructions.  It completely separates the content from the display.

Before making accusations like this, perhaps you should investigate what we
have been talking about.  A lot has changed from Cocoon 1 to Cocoon 2.  It's
a whole new beast.

Re: cocoon is fundamentally flawed - Re: -1 to Anakia

[Donald Ball <ba...@webslingerZ.com>]

On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, Robert Koberg wrote:

> cocoon needs a processing instruction in the content.  The content tells the
> system what to do.  This is backwards of how it should be.  If the idea is
> to have reusable content then why polute the content right off the bat.

you're thinking of c1. c2 does not require processing instructions in the
content. c2 uses a sitemap to provide the mapping from urlspace to
pipelinespace. c2 pipelines consists of a generator, zero or more
transformers, and a serializer.

- donald


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