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Posted to users@flex.apache.org by Miguel Ferreira <mi...@hotmail.com> on 2013/10/03 15:54:41 UTC
blurry fonts
hi,
someone 2 years ago raise this problem:http://forums.adobe.com/thread/786727
Blurry fonts on spark vs halo components.
There is a way to prevent this?
I am finalizing a updated to my costumer from flex 4.1.0 to flex 4.10.0 and the fonts really look horrible.I am also using the MXFTEText.css to force the rendering.
There is some way to make it better... is like the users will have headaches reading this text.
Thank you in advance.Miguel
Re: blurry fonts
Posted by Nemi <ne...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I have that problem also. For example I can't find a way to use pixel fonts
with Spark Label, without font to be blurry. It works ok with MX Label.
Could it be that this issue is related to ugly text spacing when scaling
Spark components: http://forums.adobe.com/message/4919330
Did you find a solution?
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Re: blurry fonts
Posted by Simon Gladman <sg...@gmail.com>.
Loads of my personal work used Gill Sans without a problem - check out
http://flexmonkey.blogspot.com/
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> On 9 Oct 2013, at 18:45, modjklist@comcast.net wrote:
>
> I just wanted to solicit from other Flex users which specific fonts successfully embed without being blurry.
>
> I've tried embedding all the Helvetica and Arial fonts installed on my Mac and they look blurry compared to the non-embedded versions in the same app. The embedded fonts for spark are short and fat and for MX are tall and skinny.
>
> Ideally, someone could refer me to a Helvetica/Arial font that they know embeds fine. However, assuming I don't get that feedback and I need to find a new font, I'm hoping anyone with good embed results can share their favorite font (for Enterprise desktop applications, in my case) to benefit all users.
>
> Someone mentioned earlier Google Roboto, which I'll try out soon. For reference below, Miguel mentions OpenSans, and Mihai mentions Myriad Pro.
>
> Thanks in advance for any feedback.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Miguel Ferreira" <mi...@hotmail.com>
> To: users@flex.apache.org
> Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 2:52:38 AM
> Subject: RE: blurry fonts
>
> Hi all thank you for all the information.
>
> I was out and just today i came back to the office.
>
> So, i will write a resume of my working solution.
>
> Font: OpenSans link:<a href="http://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Open+Sans" target="_blank" class="newlyinsertedlink">http://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Open+Sans</a>
>
> on the global css turned off the kerning:
>
> global
> {
> kerning: off;
> fontFamily: main;
> fontSize: 11;
> }
>
> how the fonts are embebed:
>
> @font-face
> {
> src: url("assets/fonts/OpenSans-Regular.ttf");
> fontFamily: AppFont;
> fontStyle: normal;
> fontWeight: normal;
> embedAsCFF: true;
> }
>
> @font-face
> {
> src: url("assets/fonts/OpenSans-Italic.ttf");
> fontFamily: AppFont;
> fontStyle: italic;
> fontWeight: normal;
> embedAsCFF: true;
> }
> ...
>
> @Alex: Thanks for the info about the playerglobal.
> i tried with the version 10.2 when it worked well,but when i tried the configuration above and the result was also good in the version 11.8 i choose for the last version.
>
> In this moment i will have to change components to spark like forms, datagrid, images, spacers, etc...
> And for the next release is +1 application on Apache Flex SDK 4.10!
>
> Thanks for all that help and that maintain the community alive!
>
> Best regards,
> Miguel
>
>
>
>> From: mihai.chira@gmail.com
>> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 19:52:01 +0100
>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>>
>> The way I did it was to edit the font file directly using Type
>> Light<http://www.cr8software.net/typelight.html>.
>> I went into Font->Font Options..., deselected Kerning and saved it on top
>> of the original font file. With this treatment, the font does not trigger
>> the bug I mentioned, yet is still readable. I did not turn off kerning as
>> suggested by Maurice. I'm not even sure it would have made a difference now
>> that the font did not have this information to begin with.
>>
>> If you're using another OS, I'm sure there is another good font editor that
>> you can use to make this change.
>>
>> Hope it helps.
>>
>>
>> On 4 October 2013 18:43, Maurice Amsellem <ma...@systar.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, ok.
>>>
>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>> De : modjklist@comcast.net [mailto:modjklist@comcast.net]
>>> Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:42
>>> À : users@flex.apache.org
>>> Objet : Re: blurry fonts
>>>
>>> Thanks Maurice,
>>>
>>>
>>> Mihai's post below states to remove kerning to avoid a bug:
>>>
>>>
>>> However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning
>>> information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug<
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Maurice Amsellem" <ma...@systar.com>
>>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>>> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 10:29:42 AM
>>> Subject: RE: blurry fonts
>>>
>>> global {
>>> kerning: off;
>>> }
>>>
>>> However, usually text is more readable when kerning is on, especially for
>>> some letters combinations, eg AV and things like that.
>>> So why would you turn it off?
>>>
>>> Maurice
>>>
>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>> De : modjklist@comcast.net [mailto:modjklist@comcast.net]
>>> Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:12
>>> À : users@flex.apache.org
>>> Objet : Re: blurry fonts
>>>
>>> I like peoples suggestions for embedded fonts that look nice.
>>>
>>>
>>> Just curious though, how does one remove the kerning? Do you need special
>>> font software to manipulate this? Or, is it done directly in the font file
>>> somehow? Or, done using actionscript code? etc.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mihai Chira" <mi...@gmail.com>
>>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>>> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 1:15:27 AM
>>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>>
>>> Hey Miguel,
>>>
>>>
>>> we're using Myriad Web
>>> Pro<http://www.azfonts.net/load_font/myriadwebpro.html>with the latest
>>> version of the SDK and it looks just fine. We also make software meant for
>>> many hours' use.
>>>
>>> However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning
>>> information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug<
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Mihai
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4 October 2013 08:16, Miguel Ferreira <miguel.cd.ferreira@hotmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The difference is really big.
>>>> Even the colors of some item renders.
>>>> But the question for me is, that will depend of the user player?
>>>> For the older version is more redable but even so with the font opensans
>>>> the difference is smaller.
>>>> There is some font that the guy from the new renderer adivce?Because if
>>>> they say that is better they should have some study cases were they can
>>>> prove that.
>>>> So maybe they can advice on good font for a flex enterprise
>>>> application.Where the user work with it between 4 to 8 hours per day.
>>>> Because with that blurry foggy fonts will be a nightmare.
>>>> Thanks alex for be always available... almost 24/7
>>>> Miguel
>>>>> From: aharui@adobe.com
>>>>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 23:40:44 -0700
>>>>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you try it with an older swf version?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/3/13 11:08 PM, "Miguel Ferreira" <miguel.cd.ferreira@hotmail.com
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you all,
>>>>>> I am trying with another font type to see if i can have a better
>>>>>> results.Because of the "better" rendering was one of my key issues to
>>>>>> update to the last version to try to keep up with the Apache
>>> evolution,
>>>>>> but after the project manager saw the result was really hard to
>>> convince
>>>>>> him that we are on the right path following the steps and evolution of
>>>>>> Apache releases.
>>>>>> I tried OpenSans and i have a better result but on the edges if we go
>>> to
>>>>>> detail we can see that is not perfect is still a little bit foggy!
>>>>>> Another font suggestion is always welcome?
>>>>>> @tom
>>>>>> "- it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
>>>>>>>> the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we
>>> found
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> combination that worked well."
>>>>>> can you tell what combinations you did that worked out?
>>>>>> Thanks,Miguel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: aharui@adobe.com
>>>>>>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:19:11 -0700
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't find the email thread, but the answer I got was that there
>>> is
>>>> no
>>>>>>> equivalent of gridFitType because the new font rendering algorithm
>>> is
>>>>>>> "better". IIRC, it is "better" because it employs some anti-aliasing
>>>>>>> algorithm on all edges, not just one ones that are unlucky enough to
>>>> not
>>>>>>> fall on pixel boundaries, and doesn't mess with inter-character
>>>> spacing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That said, several folks are unhappy with this algorithm. One
>>>>>>> experiment
>>>>>>> for you to try now that we have more version flexibility in Apache
>>>> Flex
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> to set your player/air versions back to whatever it was in 4.1 or
>>> even
>>>>>>> 4.0. That might cause the player to select an older rendering
>>>>>>> algorithm.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/3/13 7:24 AM, "modjklist@comcast.net" <mo...@comcast.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've always had problems with embedded fonts in 4.5.1 SDK. I've
>>> tried
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>> much to overcome it. Seems no matter which version of Arial or
>>>>>>> Helvetica
>>>>>>>> I embed, the spark text always looks shorter and fat (e.g. blurry),
>>>> and
>>>>>>>> the mx text looks tall and skinny. The hinting options, while
>>> having
>>>> an
>>>>>>>> effect, don't seem to correct this. If anyone has settings that
>>> make
>>>> an
>>>>>>>> embedded font (Arial or Helvetica) look normal, I'd really like to
>>>> try
>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Tom Chiverton" <tc...@extravision.com>
>>>>>>>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:59:30 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 03/10/2013 14:54, Miguel Ferreira wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I am finalizing a updated to my costumer from flex 4.1.0 to flex
>>>>>>> 4.10.0
>>>>>>>>> and the fonts really look horrible.
>>>>>>>> We had the same issue when migrating up from Adobe Flex 4.1 to
>>> Apache
>>>>>>>> 4.x - it took some experimenting with the various hinting options
>>> for
>>>>>>>> the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we
>>> found
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> combination that worked well.
>>>>>>>> I'd start by stripping out any relevant styles, then add in a
>>>> specific
>>>>>>>> embeded font, then have a look at the various hinting options
>>>>>>> available.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tom
>
RE: blurry fonts
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
I'm not an expert in this area, but my understanding is that an OTF file can contain TTF or CFF data. CFF uses different curvature control points than TTF. If the data is in TTF format, the curves have to be converted and there could be fidelity issues. If the data is already in CFF format then you should be seeing it as good as it gets.
-Alex
________________________________________
From: modjklist@comcast.net [modjklist@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 10:11 AM
To: users@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: blurry fonts
Thanks Alex,
My font source file is .otf
How I embed for MX:
@font-face {
fontFamily:arial_mx;
src:url("Fonts/ArialUnicodeMS_Regular.otf");
unicodeRange: U+0020-007E, U+03A9;
embedAsCFF: false;
fontStyle:normal;
fontWeight:normal;
}
How I embed for Spark:
@font-face {
fontFamily:arial_s;
src:url("Fonts/ArialUnicodeMS_Regular.otf");
unicodeRange: U+0020-007E;
embedAsCFF: true;
fontWeight:normal;
fontStyle:normal;
}
Doesn't the "embedAsCFF:true;" line above implement the glyph conversion requirement that you're referring to?
Or, are you saying I need to use a source file having a .cff extension instead of .otf (or .ttf)?
All the documentation I've seen just says to set the embedAsCFF switch as above. For example:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/flex/using/WS2db454920e96a9e51e63e3d11c0bf69084-7f5f.html
Let me know if I'm missing something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Harui" <ah...@adobe.com>
To: users@flex.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 9:51:11 AM
Subject: RE: blurry fonts
It occurs to me that the issue may be in the transcoding of the font. The Spark components use the underlying flash.text.engine classes which use CFF fonts. If you are embedding TTF, then I believe a glyph conversion has to happen. It may be that if you can find a font file that has its glyphs encoded as CFF it will look better.
-Alex
________________________________________
From: modjklist@comcast.net [modjklist@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 9:45 AM
To: users@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: blurry fonts
I just wanted to solicit from other Flex users which specific fonts successfully embed without being blurry.
I've tried embedding all the Helvetica and Arial fonts installed on my Mac and they look blurry compared to the non-embedded versions in the same app. The embedded fonts for spark are short and fat and for MX are tall and skinny.
Ideally, someone could refer me to a Helvetica/Arial font that they know embeds fine. However, assuming I don't get that feedback and I need to find a new font, I'm hoping anyone with good embed results can share their favorite font (for Enterprise desktop applications, in my case) to benefit all users.
Someone mentioned earlier Google Roboto, which I'll try out soon. For reference below, Miguel mentions OpenSans, and Mihai mentions Myriad Pro.
Thanks in advance for any feedback.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miguel Ferreira" <mi...@hotmail.com>
To: users@flex.apache.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 2:52:38 AM
Subject: RE: blurry fonts
Hi all thank you for all the information.
I was out and just today i came back to the office.
So, i will write a resume of my working solution.
Font: OpenSans link:<a href="http://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Open+Sans" target="_blank" class="newlyinsertedlink">http://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Open+Sans</a>
on the global css turned off the kerning:
global
{
kerning: off;
fontFamily: main;
fontSize: 11;
}
how the fonts are embebed:
@font-face
{
src: url("assets/fonts/OpenSans-Regular.ttf");
fontFamily: AppFont;
fontStyle: normal;
fontWeight: normal;
embedAsCFF: true;
}
@font-face
{
src: url("assets/fonts/OpenSans-Italic.ttf");
fontFamily: AppFont;
fontStyle: italic;
fontWeight: normal;
embedAsCFF: true;
}
...
@Alex: Thanks for the info about the playerglobal.
i tried with the version 10.2 when it worked well,but when i tried the configuration above and the result was also good in the version 11.8 i choose for the last version.
In this moment i will have to change components to spark like forms, datagrid, images, spacers, etc...
And for the next release is +1 application on Apache Flex SDK 4.10!
Thanks for all that help and that maintain the community alive!
Best regards,
Miguel
> From: mihai.chira@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 19:52:01 +0100
> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> To: users@flex.apache.org
>
> The way I did it was to edit the font file directly using Type
> Light<http://www.cr8software.net/typelight.html>.
> I went into Font->Font Options..., deselected Kerning and saved it on top
> of the original font file. With this treatment, the font does not trigger
> the bug I mentioned, yet is still readable. I did not turn off kerning as
> suggested by Maurice. I'm not even sure it would have made a difference now
> that the font did not have this information to begin with.
>
> If you're using another OS, I'm sure there is another good font editor that
> you can use to make this change.
>
> Hope it helps.
>
>
> On 4 October 2013 18:43, Maurice Amsellem <ma...@systar.com>wrote:
>
>> Ah, ok.
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : modjklist@comcast.net [mailto:modjklist@comcast.net]
>> Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:42
>> À : users@flex.apache.org
>> Objet : Re: blurry fonts
>>
>> Thanks Maurice,
>>
>>
>> Mihai's post below states to remove kerning to avoid a bug:
>>
>>
>> However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning
>> information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug<
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779> .
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Maurice Amsellem" <ma...@systar.com>
>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 10:29:42 AM
>> Subject: RE: blurry fonts
>>
>> global {
>> kerning: off;
>> }
>>
>> However, usually text is more readable when kerning is on, especially for
>> some letters combinations, eg AV and things like that.
>> So why would you turn it off?
>>
>> Maurice
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : modjklist@comcast.net [mailto:modjklist@comcast.net]
>> Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:12
>> À : users@flex.apache.org
>> Objet : Re: blurry fonts
>>
>> I like peoples suggestions for embedded fonts that look nice.
>>
>>
>> Just curious though, how does one remove the kerning? Do you need special
>> font software to manipulate this? Or, is it done directly in the font file
>> somehow? Or, done using actionscript code? etc.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mihai Chira" <mi...@gmail.com>
>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 1:15:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>
>> Hey Miguel,
>>
>>
>> we're using Myriad Web
>> Pro<http://www.azfonts.net/load_font/myriadwebpro.html>with the latest
>> version of the SDK and it looks just fine. We also make software meant for
>> many hours' use.
>>
>> However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning
>> information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug<
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779>
>> .
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Mihai
>>
>>
>> On 4 October 2013 08:16, Miguel Ferreira <miguel.cd.ferreira@hotmail.com
>>>wrote:
>>
>>> The difference is really big.
>>> Even the colors of some item renders.
>>> But the question for me is, that will depend of the user player?
>>> For the older version is more redable but even so with the font opensans
>>> the difference is smaller.
>>> There is some font that the guy from the new renderer adivce?Because if
>>> they say that is better they should have some study cases were they can
>>> prove that.
>>> So maybe they can advice on good font for a flex enterprise
>>> application.Where the user work with it between 4 to 8 hours per day.
>>> Because with that blurry foggy fonts will be a nightmare.
>>> Thanks alex for be always available... almost 24/7
>>> Miguel
>>>> From: aharui@adobe.com
>>>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 23:40:44 -0700
>>>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>>>
>>>> Did you try it with an older swf version?
>>>>
>>>> On 10/3/13 11:08 PM, "Miguel Ferreira" <miguel.cd.ferreira@hotmail.com
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Thank you all,
>>>>>I am trying with another font type to see if i can have a better
>>>>>results.Because of the "better" rendering was one of my key issues to
>>>>>update to the last version to try to keep up with the Apache
>> evolution,
>>>>>but after the project manager saw the result was really hard to
>> convince
>>>>>him that we are on the right path following the steps and evolution of
>>>>>Apache releases.
>>>>>I tried OpenSans and i have a better result but on the edges if we go
>> to
>>>>>detail we can see that is not perfect is still a little bit foggy!
>>>>>Another font suggestion is always welcome?
>>>>>@tom
>>>>>"- it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
>>>>>>>the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we
>> found
>>> a
>>>>>>>combination that worked well."
>>>>>can you tell what combinations you did that worked out?
>>>>>Thanks,Miguel
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: aharui@adobe.com
>>>>>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:19:11 -0700
>>>>>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't find the email thread, but the answer I got was that there
>> is
>>> no
>>>>>> equivalent of gridFitType because the new font rendering algorithm
>> is
>>>>>> "better". IIRC, it is "better" because it employs some anti-aliasing
>>>>>> algorithm on all edges, not just one ones that are unlucky enough to
>>> not
>>>>>> fall on pixel boundaries, and doesn't mess with inter-character
>>> spacing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, several folks are unhappy with this algorithm. One
>>>>>>experiment
>>>>>> for you to try now that we have more version flexibility in Apache
>>> Flex
>>>>>>is
>>>>>> to set your player/air versions back to whatever it was in 4.1 or
>> even
>>>>>> 4.0. That might cause the player to select an older rendering
>>>>>>algorithm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/3/13 7:24 AM, "modjklist@comcast.net" <mo...@comcast.net>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've always had problems with embedded fonts in 4.5.1 SDK. I've
>> tried
>>>>>>so
>>>>>>>much to overcome it. Seems no matter which version of Arial or
>>>>>>Helvetica
>>>>>>>I embed, the spark text always looks shorter and fat (e.g. blurry),
>>> and
>>>>>>>the mx text looks tall and skinny. The hinting options, while
>> having
>>> an
>>>>>>>effect, don't seem to correct this. If anyone has settings that
>> make
>>> an
>>>>>>>embedded font (Arial or Helvetica) look normal, I'd really like to
>>> try
>>>>>>>them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Tom Chiverton" <tc...@extravision.com>
>>>>>>>To: users@flex.apache.org
>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:59:30 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 03/10/2013 14:54, Miguel Ferreira wrote:
>>>>>>>> I am finalizing a updated to my costumer from flex 4.1.0 to flex
>>>>>>4.10.0
>>>>>>>>and the fonts really look horrible.
>>>>>>>We had the same issue when migrating up from Adobe Flex 4.1 to
>> Apache
>>>>>>>4.x - it took some experimenting with the various hinting options
>> for
>>>>>>>the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we
>> found
>>> a
>>>>>>>combination that worked well.
>>>>>>>I'd start by stripping out any relevant styles, then add in a
>>> specific
>>>>>>>embeded font, then have a look at the various hinting options
>>>>>>available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: blurry fonts
Posted by mo...@comcast.net.
Thanks Alex,
My font source file is .otf
How I embed for MX:
@font-face {
fontFamily:arial_mx;
src:url("Fonts/ArialUnicodeMS_Regular.otf");
unicodeRange: U+0020-007E, U+03A9;
embedAsCFF: false;
fontStyle:normal;
fontWeight:normal;
}
How I embed for Spark:
@font-face {
fontFamily:arial_s;
src:url("Fonts/ArialUnicodeMS_Regular.otf");
unicodeRange: U+0020-007E;
embedAsCFF: true;
fontWeight:normal;
fontStyle:normal;
}
Doesn't the "embedAsCFF:true;" line above implement the glyph conversion requirement that you're referring to?
Or, are you saying I need to use a source file having a .cff extension instead of .otf (or .ttf)?
All the documentation I've seen just says to set the embedAsCFF switch as above. For example:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/flex/using/WS2db454920e96a9e51e63e3d11c0bf69084-7f5f.html
Let me know if I'm missing something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Harui" <ah...@adobe.com>
To: users@flex.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 9:51:11 AM
Subject: RE: blurry fonts
It occurs to me that the issue may be in the transcoding of the font. The Spark components use the underlying flash.text.engine classes which use CFF fonts. If you are embedding TTF, then I believe a glyph conversion has to happen. It may be that if you can find a font file that has its glyphs encoded as CFF it will look better.
-Alex
________________________________________
From: modjklist@comcast.net [modjklist@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 9:45 AM
To: users@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: blurry fonts
I just wanted to solicit from other Flex users which specific fonts successfully embed without being blurry.
I've tried embedding all the Helvetica and Arial fonts installed on my Mac and they look blurry compared to the non-embedded versions in the same app. The embedded fonts for spark are short and fat and for MX are tall and skinny.
Ideally, someone could refer me to a Helvetica/Arial font that they know embeds fine. However, assuming I don't get that feedback and I need to find a new font, I'm hoping anyone with good embed results can share their favorite font (for Enterprise desktop applications, in my case) to benefit all users.
Someone mentioned earlier Google Roboto, which I'll try out soon. For reference below, Miguel mentions OpenSans, and Mihai mentions Myriad Pro.
Thanks in advance for any feedback.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miguel Ferreira" <mi...@hotmail.com>
To: users@flex.apache.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 2:52:38 AM
Subject: RE: blurry fonts
Hi all thank you for all the information.
I was out and just today i came back to the office.
So, i will write a resume of my working solution.
Font: OpenSans link:<a href="http://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Open+Sans" target="_blank" class="newlyinsertedlink">http://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Open+Sans</a>
on the global css turned off the kerning:
global
{
kerning: off;
fontFamily: main;
fontSize: 11;
}
how the fonts are embebed:
@font-face
{
src: url("assets/fonts/OpenSans-Regular.ttf");
fontFamily: AppFont;
fontStyle: normal;
fontWeight: normal;
embedAsCFF: true;
}
@font-face
{
src: url("assets/fonts/OpenSans-Italic.ttf");
fontFamily: AppFont;
fontStyle: italic;
fontWeight: normal;
embedAsCFF: true;
}
...
@Alex: Thanks for the info about the playerglobal.
i tried with the version 10.2 when it worked well,but when i tried the configuration above and the result was also good in the version 11.8 i choose for the last version.
In this moment i will have to change components to spark like forms, datagrid, images, spacers, etc...
And for the next release is +1 application on Apache Flex SDK 4.10!
Thanks for all that help and that maintain the community alive!
Best regards,
Miguel
> From: mihai.chira@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 19:52:01 +0100
> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> To: users@flex.apache.org
>
> The way I did it was to edit the font file directly using Type
> Light<http://www.cr8software.net/typelight.html>.
> I went into Font->Font Options..., deselected Kerning and saved it on top
> of the original font file. With this treatment, the font does not trigger
> the bug I mentioned, yet is still readable. I did not turn off kerning as
> suggested by Maurice. I'm not even sure it would have made a difference now
> that the font did not have this information to begin with.
>
> If you're using another OS, I'm sure there is another good font editor that
> you can use to make this change.
>
> Hope it helps.
>
>
> On 4 October 2013 18:43, Maurice Amsellem <ma...@systar.com>wrote:
>
>> Ah, ok.
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : modjklist@comcast.net [mailto:modjklist@comcast.net]
>> Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:42
>> À : users@flex.apache.org
>> Objet : Re: blurry fonts
>>
>> Thanks Maurice,
>>
>>
>> Mihai's post below states to remove kerning to avoid a bug:
>>
>>
>> However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning
>> information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug<
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779> .
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Maurice Amsellem" <ma...@systar.com>
>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 10:29:42 AM
>> Subject: RE: blurry fonts
>>
>> global {
>> kerning: off;
>> }
>>
>> However, usually text is more readable when kerning is on, especially for
>> some letters combinations, eg AV and things like that.
>> So why would you turn it off?
>>
>> Maurice
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : modjklist@comcast.net [mailto:modjklist@comcast.net]
>> Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:12
>> À : users@flex.apache.org
>> Objet : Re: blurry fonts
>>
>> I like peoples suggestions for embedded fonts that look nice.
>>
>>
>> Just curious though, how does one remove the kerning? Do you need special
>> font software to manipulate this? Or, is it done directly in the font file
>> somehow? Or, done using actionscript code? etc.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mihai Chira" <mi...@gmail.com>
>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 1:15:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>
>> Hey Miguel,
>>
>>
>> we're using Myriad Web
>> Pro<http://www.azfonts.net/load_font/myriadwebpro.html>with the latest
>> version of the SDK and it looks just fine. We also make software meant for
>> many hours' use.
>>
>> However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning
>> information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug<
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779>
>> .
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Mihai
>>
>>
>> On 4 October 2013 08:16, Miguel Ferreira <miguel.cd.ferreira@hotmail.com
>>>wrote:
>>
>>> The difference is really big.
>>> Even the colors of some item renders.
>>> But the question for me is, that will depend of the user player?
>>> For the older version is more redable but even so with the font opensans
>>> the difference is smaller.
>>> There is some font that the guy from the new renderer adivce?Because if
>>> they say that is better they should have some study cases were they can
>>> prove that.
>>> So maybe they can advice on good font for a flex enterprise
>>> application.Where the user work with it between 4 to 8 hours per day.
>>> Because with that blurry foggy fonts will be a nightmare.
>>> Thanks alex for be always available... almost 24/7
>>> Miguel
>>>> From: aharui@adobe.com
>>>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 23:40:44 -0700
>>>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>>>
>>>> Did you try it with an older swf version?
>>>>
>>>> On 10/3/13 11:08 PM, "Miguel Ferreira" <miguel.cd.ferreira@hotmail.com
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Thank you all,
>>>>>I am trying with another font type to see if i can have a better
>>>>>results.Because of the "better" rendering was one of my key issues to
>>>>>update to the last version to try to keep up with the Apache
>> evolution,
>>>>>but after the project manager saw the result was really hard to
>> convince
>>>>>him that we are on the right path following the steps and evolution of
>>>>>Apache releases.
>>>>>I tried OpenSans and i have a better result but on the edges if we go
>> to
>>>>>detail we can see that is not perfect is still a little bit foggy!
>>>>>Another font suggestion is always welcome?
>>>>>@tom
>>>>>"- it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
>>>>>>>the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we
>> found
>>> a
>>>>>>>combination that worked well."
>>>>>can you tell what combinations you did that worked out?
>>>>>Thanks,Miguel
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: aharui@adobe.com
>>>>>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:19:11 -0700
>>>>>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't find the email thread, but the answer I got was that there
>> is
>>> no
>>>>>> equivalent of gridFitType because the new font rendering algorithm
>> is
>>>>>> "better". IIRC, it is "better" because it employs some anti-aliasing
>>>>>> algorithm on all edges, not just one ones that are unlucky enough to
>>> not
>>>>>> fall on pixel boundaries, and doesn't mess with inter-character
>>> spacing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, several folks are unhappy with this algorithm. One
>>>>>>experiment
>>>>>> for you to try now that we have more version flexibility in Apache
>>> Flex
>>>>>>is
>>>>>> to set your player/air versions back to whatever it was in 4.1 or
>> even
>>>>>> 4.0. That might cause the player to select an older rendering
>>>>>>algorithm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/3/13 7:24 AM, "modjklist@comcast.net" <mo...@comcast.net>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've always had problems with embedded fonts in 4.5.1 SDK. I've
>> tried
>>>>>>so
>>>>>>>much to overcome it. Seems no matter which version of Arial or
>>>>>>Helvetica
>>>>>>>I embed, the spark text always looks shorter and fat (e.g. blurry),
>>> and
>>>>>>>the mx text looks tall and skinny. The hinting options, while
>> having
>>> an
>>>>>>>effect, don't seem to correct this. If anyone has settings that
>> make
>>> an
>>>>>>>embedded font (Arial or Helvetica) look normal, I'd really like to
>>> try
>>>>>>>them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Tom Chiverton" <tc...@extravision.com>
>>>>>>>To: users@flex.apache.org
>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:59:30 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 03/10/2013 14:54, Miguel Ferreira wrote:
>>>>>>>> I am finalizing a updated to my costumer from flex 4.1.0 to flex
>>>>>>4.10.0
>>>>>>>>and the fonts really look horrible.
>>>>>>>We had the same issue when migrating up from Adobe Flex 4.1 to
>> Apache
>>>>>>>4.x - it took some experimenting with the various hinting options
>> for
>>>>>>>the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we
>> found
>>> a
>>>>>>>combination that worked well.
>>>>>>>I'd start by stripping out any relevant styles, then add in a
>>> specific
>>>>>>>embeded font, then have a look at the various hinting options
>>>>>>available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
RE: blurry fonts
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
It occurs to me that the issue may be in the transcoding of the font. The Spark components use the underlying flash.text.engine classes which use CFF fonts. If you are embedding TTF, then I believe a glyph conversion has to happen. It may be that if you can find a font file that has its glyphs encoded as CFF it will look better.
-Alex
________________________________________
From: modjklist@comcast.net [modjklist@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 9:45 AM
To: users@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: blurry fonts
I just wanted to solicit from other Flex users which specific fonts successfully embed without being blurry.
I've tried embedding all the Helvetica and Arial fonts installed on my Mac and they look blurry compared to the non-embedded versions in the same app. The embedded fonts for spark are short and fat and for MX are tall and skinny.
Ideally, someone could refer me to a Helvetica/Arial font that they know embeds fine. However, assuming I don't get that feedback and I need to find a new font, I'm hoping anyone with good embed results can share their favorite font (for Enterprise desktop applications, in my case) to benefit all users.
Someone mentioned earlier Google Roboto, which I'll try out soon. For reference below, Miguel mentions OpenSans, and Mihai mentions Myriad Pro.
Thanks in advance for any feedback.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miguel Ferreira" <mi...@hotmail.com>
To: users@flex.apache.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 2:52:38 AM
Subject: RE: blurry fonts
Hi all thank you for all the information.
I was out and just today i came back to the office.
So, i will write a resume of my working solution.
Font: OpenSans link:<a href="http://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Open+Sans" target="_blank" class="newlyinsertedlink">http://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Open+Sans</a>
on the global css turned off the kerning:
global
{
kerning: off;
fontFamily: main;
fontSize: 11;
}
how the fonts are embebed:
@font-face
{
src: url("assets/fonts/OpenSans-Regular.ttf");
fontFamily: AppFont;
fontStyle: normal;
fontWeight: normal;
embedAsCFF: true;
}
@font-face
{
src: url("assets/fonts/OpenSans-Italic.ttf");
fontFamily: AppFont;
fontStyle: italic;
fontWeight: normal;
embedAsCFF: true;
}
...
@Alex: Thanks for the info about the playerglobal.
i tried with the version 10.2 when it worked well,but when i tried the configuration above and the result was also good in the version 11.8 i choose for the last version.
In this moment i will have to change components to spark like forms, datagrid, images, spacers, etc...
And for the next release is +1 application on Apache Flex SDK 4.10!
Thanks for all that help and that maintain the community alive!
Best regards,
Miguel
> From: mihai.chira@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 19:52:01 +0100
> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> To: users@flex.apache.org
>
> The way I did it was to edit the font file directly using Type
> Light<http://www.cr8software.net/typelight.html>.
> I went into Font->Font Options..., deselected Kerning and saved it on top
> of the original font file. With this treatment, the font does not trigger
> the bug I mentioned, yet is still readable. I did not turn off kerning as
> suggested by Maurice. I'm not even sure it would have made a difference now
> that the font did not have this information to begin with.
>
> If you're using another OS, I'm sure there is another good font editor that
> you can use to make this change.
>
> Hope it helps.
>
>
> On 4 October 2013 18:43, Maurice Amsellem <ma...@systar.com>wrote:
>
>> Ah, ok.
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : modjklist@comcast.net [mailto:modjklist@comcast.net]
>> Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:42
>> À : users@flex.apache.org
>> Objet : Re: blurry fonts
>>
>> Thanks Maurice,
>>
>>
>> Mihai's post below states to remove kerning to avoid a bug:
>>
>>
>> However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning
>> information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug<
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779> .
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Maurice Amsellem" <ma...@systar.com>
>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 10:29:42 AM
>> Subject: RE: blurry fonts
>>
>> global {
>> kerning: off;
>> }
>>
>> However, usually text is more readable when kerning is on, especially for
>> some letters combinations, eg AV and things like that.
>> So why would you turn it off?
>>
>> Maurice
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : modjklist@comcast.net [mailto:modjklist@comcast.net]
>> Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:12
>> À : users@flex.apache.org
>> Objet : Re: blurry fonts
>>
>> I like peoples suggestions for embedded fonts that look nice.
>>
>>
>> Just curious though, how does one remove the kerning? Do you need special
>> font software to manipulate this? Or, is it done directly in the font file
>> somehow? Or, done using actionscript code? etc.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mihai Chira" <mi...@gmail.com>
>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 1:15:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>
>> Hey Miguel,
>>
>>
>> we're using Myriad Web
>> Pro<http://www.azfonts.net/load_font/myriadwebpro.html>with the latest
>> version of the SDK and it looks just fine. We also make software meant for
>> many hours' use.
>>
>> However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning
>> information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug<
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779>
>> .
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Mihai
>>
>>
>> On 4 October 2013 08:16, Miguel Ferreira <miguel.cd.ferreira@hotmail.com
>>>wrote:
>>
>>> The difference is really big.
>>> Even the colors of some item renders.
>>> But the question for me is, that will depend of the user player?
>>> For the older version is more redable but even so with the font opensans
>>> the difference is smaller.
>>> There is some font that the guy from the new renderer adivce?Because if
>>> they say that is better they should have some study cases were they can
>>> prove that.
>>> So maybe they can advice on good font for a flex enterprise
>>> application.Where the user work with it between 4 to 8 hours per day.
>>> Because with that blurry foggy fonts will be a nightmare.
>>> Thanks alex for be always available... almost 24/7
>>> Miguel
>>>> From: aharui@adobe.com
>>>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 23:40:44 -0700
>>>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>>>
>>>> Did you try it with an older swf version?
>>>>
>>>> On 10/3/13 11:08 PM, "Miguel Ferreira" <miguel.cd.ferreira@hotmail.com
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Thank you all,
>>>>>I am trying with another font type to see if i can have a better
>>>>>results.Because of the "better" rendering was one of my key issues to
>>>>>update to the last version to try to keep up with the Apache
>> evolution,
>>>>>but after the project manager saw the result was really hard to
>> convince
>>>>>him that we are on the right path following the steps and evolution of
>>>>>Apache releases.
>>>>>I tried OpenSans and i have a better result but on the edges if we go
>> to
>>>>>detail we can see that is not perfect is still a little bit foggy!
>>>>>Another font suggestion is always welcome?
>>>>>@tom
>>>>>"- it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
>>>>>>>the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we
>> found
>>> a
>>>>>>>combination that worked well."
>>>>>can you tell what combinations you did that worked out?
>>>>>Thanks,Miguel
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: aharui@adobe.com
>>>>>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:19:11 -0700
>>>>>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't find the email thread, but the answer I got was that there
>> is
>>> no
>>>>>> equivalent of gridFitType because the new font rendering algorithm
>> is
>>>>>> "better". IIRC, it is "better" because it employs some anti-aliasing
>>>>>> algorithm on all edges, not just one ones that are unlucky enough to
>>> not
>>>>>> fall on pixel boundaries, and doesn't mess with inter-character
>>> spacing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, several folks are unhappy with this algorithm. One
>>>>>>experiment
>>>>>> for you to try now that we have more version flexibility in Apache
>>> Flex
>>>>>>is
>>>>>> to set your player/air versions back to whatever it was in 4.1 or
>> even
>>>>>> 4.0. That might cause the player to select an older rendering
>>>>>>algorithm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/3/13 7:24 AM, "modjklist@comcast.net" <mo...@comcast.net>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've always had problems with embedded fonts in 4.5.1 SDK. I've
>> tried
>>>>>>so
>>>>>>>much to overcome it. Seems no matter which version of Arial or
>>>>>>Helvetica
>>>>>>>I embed, the spark text always looks shorter and fat (e.g. blurry),
>>> and
>>>>>>>the mx text looks tall and skinny. The hinting options, while
>> having
>>> an
>>>>>>>effect, don't seem to correct this. If anyone has settings that
>> make
>>> an
>>>>>>>embedded font (Arial or Helvetica) look normal, I'd really like to
>>> try
>>>>>>>them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Tom Chiverton" <tc...@extravision.com>
>>>>>>>To: users@flex.apache.org
>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:59:30 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 03/10/2013 14:54, Miguel Ferreira wrote:
>>>>>>>> I am finalizing a updated to my costumer from flex 4.1.0 to flex
>>>>>>4.10.0
>>>>>>>>and the fonts really look horrible.
>>>>>>>We had the same issue when migrating up from Adobe Flex 4.1 to
>> Apache
>>>>>>>4.x - it took some experimenting with the various hinting options
>> for
>>>>>>>the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we
>> found
>>> a
>>>>>>>combination that worked well.
>>>>>>>I'd start by stripping out any relevant styles, then add in a
>>> specific
>>>>>>>embeded font, then have a look at the various hinting options
>>>>>>available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: blurry fonts
Posted by Nemi <ne...@gmail.com>.
I still got blurry fonts issue, but I got it less blurry, especially for
small sizes, with liberation-sans.ttf font.
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Re: blurry fonts
Posted by mo...@comcast.net.
I just wanted to solicit from other Flex users which specific fonts successfully embed without being blurry.
I've tried embedding all the Helvetica and Arial fonts installed on my Mac and they look blurry compared to the non-embedded versions in the same app. The embedded fonts for spark are short and fat and for MX are tall and skinny.
Ideally, someone could refer me to a Helvetica/Arial font that they know embeds fine. However, assuming I don't get that feedback and I need to find a new font, I'm hoping anyone with good embed results can share their favorite font (for Enterprise desktop applications, in my case) to benefit all users.
Someone mentioned earlier Google Roboto, which I'll try out soon. For reference below, Miguel mentions OpenSans, and Mihai mentions Myriad Pro.
Thanks in advance for any feedback.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miguel Ferreira" <mi...@hotmail.com>
To: users@flex.apache.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 2:52:38 AM
Subject: RE: blurry fonts
Hi all thank you for all the information.
I was out and just today i came back to the office.
So, i will write a resume of my working solution.
Font: OpenSans link:<a href="http://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Open+Sans" target="_blank" class="newlyinsertedlink">http://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Open+Sans</a>
on the global css turned off the kerning:
global
{
kerning: off;
fontFamily: main;
fontSize: 11;
}
how the fonts are embebed:
@font-face
{
src: url("assets/fonts/OpenSans-Regular.ttf");
fontFamily: AppFont;
fontStyle: normal;
fontWeight: normal;
embedAsCFF: true;
}
@font-face
{
src: url("assets/fonts/OpenSans-Italic.ttf");
fontFamily: AppFont;
fontStyle: italic;
fontWeight: normal;
embedAsCFF: true;
}
...
@Alex: Thanks for the info about the playerglobal.
i tried with the version 10.2 when it worked well,but when i tried the configuration above and the result was also good in the version 11.8 i choose for the last version.
In this moment i will have to change components to spark like forms, datagrid, images, spacers, etc...
And for the next release is +1 application on Apache Flex SDK 4.10!
Thanks for all that help and that maintain the community alive!
Best regards,
Miguel
> From: mihai.chira@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 19:52:01 +0100
> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> To: users@flex.apache.org
>
> The way I did it was to edit the font file directly using Type
> Light<http://www.cr8software.net/typelight.html>.
> I went into Font->Font Options..., deselected Kerning and saved it on top
> of the original font file. With this treatment, the font does not trigger
> the bug I mentioned, yet is still readable. I did not turn off kerning as
> suggested by Maurice. I'm not even sure it would have made a difference now
> that the font did not have this information to begin with.
>
> If you're using another OS, I'm sure there is another good font editor that
> you can use to make this change.
>
> Hope it helps.
>
>
> On 4 October 2013 18:43, Maurice Amsellem <ma...@systar.com>wrote:
>
>> Ah, ok.
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : modjklist@comcast.net [mailto:modjklist@comcast.net]
>> Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:42
>> À : users@flex.apache.org
>> Objet : Re: blurry fonts
>>
>> Thanks Maurice,
>>
>>
>> Mihai's post below states to remove kerning to avoid a bug:
>>
>>
>> However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning
>> information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug<
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779> .
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Maurice Amsellem" <ma...@systar.com>
>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 10:29:42 AM
>> Subject: RE: blurry fonts
>>
>> global {
>> kerning: off;
>> }
>>
>> However, usually text is more readable when kerning is on, especially for
>> some letters combinations, eg AV and things like that.
>> So why would you turn it off?
>>
>> Maurice
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : modjklist@comcast.net [mailto:modjklist@comcast.net]
>> Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:12
>> À : users@flex.apache.org
>> Objet : Re: blurry fonts
>>
>> I like peoples suggestions for embedded fonts that look nice.
>>
>>
>> Just curious though, how does one remove the kerning? Do you need special
>> font software to manipulate this? Or, is it done directly in the font file
>> somehow? Or, done using actionscript code? etc.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mihai Chira" <mi...@gmail.com>
>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 1:15:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>
>> Hey Miguel,
>>
>>
>> we're using Myriad Web
>> Pro<http://www.azfonts.net/load_font/myriadwebpro.html>with the latest
>> version of the SDK and it looks just fine. We also make software meant for
>> many hours' use.
>>
>> However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning
>> information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug<
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779>
>> .
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Mihai
>>
>>
>> On 4 October 2013 08:16, Miguel Ferreira <miguel.cd.ferreira@hotmail.com
>>>wrote:
>>
>>> The difference is really big.
>>> Even the colors of some item renders.
>>> But the question for me is, that will depend of the user player?
>>> For the older version is more redable but even so with the font opensans
>>> the difference is smaller.
>>> There is some font that the guy from the new renderer adivce?Because if
>>> they say that is better they should have some study cases were they can
>>> prove that.
>>> So maybe they can advice on good font for a flex enterprise
>>> application.Where the user work with it between 4 to 8 hours per day.
>>> Because with that blurry foggy fonts will be a nightmare.
>>> Thanks alex for be always available... almost 24/7
>>> Miguel
>>>> From: aharui@adobe.com
>>>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 23:40:44 -0700
>>>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>>>
>>>> Did you try it with an older swf version?
>>>>
>>>> On 10/3/13 11:08 PM, "Miguel Ferreira" <miguel.cd.ferreira@hotmail.com
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Thank you all,
>>>>>I am trying with another font type to see if i can have a better
>>>>>results.Because of the "better" rendering was one of my key issues to
>>>>>update to the last version to try to keep up with the Apache
>> evolution,
>>>>>but after the project manager saw the result was really hard to
>> convince
>>>>>him that we are on the right path following the steps and evolution of
>>>>>Apache releases.
>>>>>I tried OpenSans and i have a better result but on the edges if we go
>> to
>>>>>detail we can see that is not perfect is still a little bit foggy!
>>>>>Another font suggestion is always welcome?
>>>>>@tom
>>>>>"- it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
>>>>>>>the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we
>> found
>>> a
>>>>>>>combination that worked well."
>>>>>can you tell what combinations you did that worked out?
>>>>>Thanks,Miguel
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: aharui@adobe.com
>>>>>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:19:11 -0700
>>>>>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't find the email thread, but the answer I got was that there
>> is
>>> no
>>>>>> equivalent of gridFitType because the new font rendering algorithm
>> is
>>>>>> "better". IIRC, it is "better" because it employs some anti-aliasing
>>>>>> algorithm on all edges, not just one ones that are unlucky enough to
>>> not
>>>>>> fall on pixel boundaries, and doesn't mess with inter-character
>>> spacing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, several folks are unhappy with this algorithm. One
>>>>>>experiment
>>>>>> for you to try now that we have more version flexibility in Apache
>>> Flex
>>>>>>is
>>>>>> to set your player/air versions back to whatever it was in 4.1 or
>> even
>>>>>> 4.0. That might cause the player to select an older rendering
>>>>>>algorithm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/3/13 7:24 AM, "modjklist@comcast.net" <mo...@comcast.net>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've always had problems with embedded fonts in 4.5.1 SDK. I've
>> tried
>>>>>>so
>>>>>>>much to overcome it. Seems no matter which version of Arial or
>>>>>>Helvetica
>>>>>>>I embed, the spark text always looks shorter and fat (e.g. blurry),
>>> and
>>>>>>>the mx text looks tall and skinny. The hinting options, while
>> having
>>> an
>>>>>>>effect, don't seem to correct this. If anyone has settings that
>> make
>>> an
>>>>>>>embedded font (Arial or Helvetica) look normal, I'd really like to
>>> try
>>>>>>>them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Tom Chiverton" <tc...@extravision.com>
>>>>>>>To: users@flex.apache.org
>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:59:30 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 03/10/2013 14:54, Miguel Ferreira wrote:
>>>>>>>> I am finalizing a updated to my costumer from flex 4.1.0 to flex
>>>>>>4.10.0
>>>>>>>>and the fonts really look horrible.
>>>>>>>We had the same issue when migrating up from Adobe Flex 4.1 to
>> Apache
>>>>>>>4.x - it took some experimenting with the various hinting options
>> for
>>>>>>>the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we
>> found
>>> a
>>>>>>>combination that worked well.
>>>>>>>I'd start by stripping out any relevant styles, then add in a
>>> specific
>>>>>>>embeded font, then have a look at the various hinting options
>>>>>>available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
RE: blurry fonts
Posted by Miguel Ferreira <mi...@hotmail.com>.
Hi all thank you for all the information.
I was out and just today i came back to the office.
So, i will write a resume of my working solution.
Font: OpenSans link:<a href="http://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Open+Sans" target="_blank" class="newlyinsertedlink">http://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Open+Sans</a>
on the global css turned off the kerning:
global
{
kerning: off;
fontFamily: main;
fontSize: 11;
}
how the fonts are embebed:
@font-face
{
src: url("assets/fonts/OpenSans-Regular.ttf");
fontFamily: AppFont;
fontStyle: normal;
fontWeight: normal;
embedAsCFF: true;
}
@font-face
{
src: url("assets/fonts/OpenSans-Italic.ttf");
fontFamily: AppFont;
fontStyle: italic;
fontWeight: normal;
embedAsCFF: true;
}
...
@Alex: Thanks for the info about the playerglobal.
i tried with the version 10.2 when it worked well,but when i tried the configuration above and the result was also good in the version 11.8 i choose for the last version.
In this moment i will have to change components to spark like forms, datagrid, images, spacers, etc...
And for the next release is +1 application on Apache Flex SDK 4.10!
Thanks for all that help and that maintain the community alive!
Best regards,
Miguel
> From: mihai.chira@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 19:52:01 +0100
> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> To: users@flex.apache.org
>
> The way I did it was to edit the font file directly using Type
> Light<http://www.cr8software.net/typelight.html>.
> I went into Font->Font Options..., deselected Kerning and saved it on top
> of the original font file. With this treatment, the font does not trigger
> the bug I mentioned, yet is still readable. I did not turn off kerning as
> suggested by Maurice. I'm not even sure it would have made a difference now
> that the font did not have this information to begin with.
>
> If you're using another OS, I'm sure there is another good font editor that
> you can use to make this change.
>
> Hope it helps.
>
>
> On 4 October 2013 18:43, Maurice Amsellem <ma...@systar.com>wrote:
>
>> Ah, ok.
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : modjklist@comcast.net [mailto:modjklist@comcast.net]
>> Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:42
>> À : users@flex.apache.org
>> Objet : Re: blurry fonts
>>
>> Thanks Maurice,
>>
>>
>> Mihai's post below states to remove kerning to avoid a bug:
>>
>>
>> However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning
>> information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug<
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779> .
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Maurice Amsellem" <ma...@systar.com>
>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 10:29:42 AM
>> Subject: RE: blurry fonts
>>
>> global {
>> kerning: off;
>> }
>>
>> However, usually text is more readable when kerning is on, especially for
>> some letters combinations, eg AV and things like that.
>> So why would you turn it off?
>>
>> Maurice
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : modjklist@comcast.net [mailto:modjklist@comcast.net]
>> Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:12
>> À : users@flex.apache.org
>> Objet : Re: blurry fonts
>>
>> I like peoples suggestions for embedded fonts that look nice.
>>
>>
>> Just curious though, how does one remove the kerning? Do you need special
>> font software to manipulate this? Or, is it done directly in the font file
>> somehow? Or, done using actionscript code? etc.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mihai Chira" <mi...@gmail.com>
>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 1:15:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>
>> Hey Miguel,
>>
>>
>> we're using Myriad Web
>> Pro<http://www.azfonts.net/load_font/myriadwebpro.html>with the latest
>> version of the SDK and it looks just fine. We also make software meant for
>> many hours' use.
>>
>> However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning
>> information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug<
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779>
>> .
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Mihai
>>
>>
>> On 4 October 2013 08:16, Miguel Ferreira <miguel.cd.ferreira@hotmail.com
>>>wrote:
>>
>>> The difference is really big.
>>> Even the colors of some item renders.
>>> But the question for me is, that will depend of the user player?
>>> For the older version is more redable but even so with the font opensans
>>> the difference is smaller.
>>> There is some font that the guy from the new renderer adivce?Because if
>>> they say that is better they should have some study cases were they can
>>> prove that.
>>> So maybe they can advice on good font for a flex enterprise
>>> application.Where the user work with it between 4 to 8 hours per day.
>>> Because with that blurry foggy fonts will be a nightmare.
>>> Thanks alex for be always available... almost 24/7
>>> Miguel
>>>> From: aharui@adobe.com
>>>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 23:40:44 -0700
>>>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>>>
>>>> Did you try it with an older swf version?
>>>>
>>>> On 10/3/13 11:08 PM, "Miguel Ferreira" <miguel.cd.ferreira@hotmail.com
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Thank you all,
>>>>>I am trying with another font type to see if i can have a better
>>>>>results.Because of the "better" rendering was one of my key issues to
>>>>>update to the last version to try to keep up with the Apache
>> evolution,
>>>>>but after the project manager saw the result was really hard to
>> convince
>>>>>him that we are on the right path following the steps and evolution of
>>>>>Apache releases.
>>>>>I tried OpenSans and i have a better result but on the edges if we go
>> to
>>>>>detail we can see that is not perfect is still a little bit foggy!
>>>>>Another font suggestion is always welcome?
>>>>>@tom
>>>>>"- it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
>>>>>>>the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we
>> found
>>> a
>>>>>>>combination that worked well."
>>>>>can you tell what combinations you did that worked out?
>>>>>Thanks,Miguel
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: aharui@adobe.com
>>>>>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:19:11 -0700
>>>>>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't find the email thread, but the answer I got was that there
>> is
>>> no
>>>>>> equivalent of gridFitType because the new font rendering algorithm
>> is
>>>>>> "better". IIRC, it is "better" because it employs some anti-aliasing
>>>>>> algorithm on all edges, not just one ones that are unlucky enough to
>>> not
>>>>>> fall on pixel boundaries, and doesn't mess with inter-character
>>> spacing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, several folks are unhappy with this algorithm. One
>>>>>>experiment
>>>>>> for you to try now that we have more version flexibility in Apache
>>> Flex
>>>>>>is
>>>>>> to set your player/air versions back to whatever it was in 4.1 or
>> even
>>>>>> 4.0. That might cause the player to select an older rendering
>>>>>>algorithm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/3/13 7:24 AM, "modjklist@comcast.net" <mo...@comcast.net>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've always had problems with embedded fonts in 4.5.1 SDK. I've
>> tried
>>>>>>so
>>>>>>>much to overcome it. Seems no matter which version of Arial or
>>>>>>Helvetica
>>>>>>>I embed, the spark text always looks shorter and fat (e.g. blurry),
>>> and
>>>>>>>the mx text looks tall and skinny. The hinting options, while
>> having
>>> an
>>>>>>>effect, don't seem to correct this. If anyone has settings that
>> make
>>> an
>>>>>>>embedded font (Arial or Helvetica) look normal, I'd really like to
>>> try
>>>>>>>them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Tom Chiverton" <tc...@extravision.com>
>>>>>>>To: users@flex.apache.org
>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:59:30 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 03/10/2013 14:54, Miguel Ferreira wrote:
>>>>>>>> I am finalizing a updated to my costumer from flex 4.1.0 to flex
>>>>>>4.10.0
>>>>>>>>and the fonts really look horrible.
>>>>>>>We had the same issue when migrating up from Adobe Flex 4.1 to
>> Apache
>>>>>>>4.x - it took some experimenting with the various hinting options
>> for
>>>>>>>the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we
>> found
>>> a
>>>>>>>combination that worked well.
>>>>>>>I'd start by stripping out any relevant styles, then add in a
>>> specific
>>>>>>>embeded font, then have a look at the various hinting options
>>>>>>available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: blurry fonts
Posted by Mihai Chira <mi...@gmail.com>.
The way I did it was to edit the font file directly using Type
Light<http://www.cr8software.net/typelight.html>.
I went into Font->Font Options..., deselected Kerning and saved it on top
of the original font file. With this treatment, the font does not trigger
the bug I mentioned, yet is still readable. I did not turn off kerning as
suggested by Maurice. I'm not even sure it would have made a difference now
that the font did not have this information to begin with.
If you're using another OS, I'm sure there is another good font editor that
you can use to make this change.
Hope it helps.
On 4 October 2013 18:43, Maurice Amsellem <ma...@systar.com>wrote:
> Ah, ok.
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : modjklist@comcast.net [mailto:modjklist@comcast.net]
> Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:42
> À : users@flex.apache.org
> Objet : Re: blurry fonts
>
> Thanks Maurice,
>
>
> Mihai's post below states to remove kerning to avoid a bug:
>
>
> However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning
> information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug<
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779 > .
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Maurice Amsellem" <ma...@systar.com>
> To: users@flex.apache.org
> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 10:29:42 AM
> Subject: RE: blurry fonts
>
> global {
> kerning: off;
> }
>
> However, usually text is more readable when kerning is on, especially for
> some letters combinations, eg AV and things like that.
> So why would you turn it off?
>
> Maurice
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : modjklist@comcast.net [mailto:modjklist@comcast.net]
> Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:12
> À : users@flex.apache.org
> Objet : Re: blurry fonts
>
> I like peoples suggestions for embedded fonts that look nice.
>
>
> Just curious though, how does one remove the kerning? Do you need special
> font software to manipulate this? Or, is it done directly in the font file
> somehow? Or, done using actionscript code? etc.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mihai Chira" <mi...@gmail.com>
> To: users@flex.apache.org
> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 1:15:27 AM
> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>
> Hey Miguel,
>
>
> we're using Myriad Web
> Pro<http://www.azfonts.net/load_font/myriadwebpro.html>with the latest
> version of the SDK and it looks just fine. We also make software meant for
> many hours' use.
>
> However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning
> information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug<
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779>
> .
>
>
> Best,
> Mihai
>
>
> On 4 October 2013 08:16, Miguel Ferreira <miguel.cd.ferreira@hotmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > The difference is really big.
> > Even the colors of some item renders.
> > But the question for me is, that will depend of the user player?
> > For the older version is more redable but even so with the font opensans
> > the difference is smaller.
> > There is some font that the guy from the new renderer adivce?Because if
> > they say that is better they should have some study cases were they can
> > prove that.
> > So maybe they can advice on good font for a flex enterprise
> > application.Where the user work with it between 4 to 8 hours per day.
> > Because with that blurry foggy fonts will be a nightmare.
> > Thanks alex for be always available... almost 24/7
> > Miguel
> > > From: aharui@adobe.com
> > > To: users@flex.apache.org
> > > Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 23:40:44 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> > >
> > > Did you try it with an older swf version?
> > >
> > > On 10/3/13 11:08 PM, "Miguel Ferreira" <miguel.cd.ferreira@hotmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Thank you all,
> > > >I am trying with another font type to see if i can have a better
> > > >results.Because of the "better" rendering was one of my key issues to
> > > >update to the last version to try to keep up with the Apache
> evolution,
> > > >but after the project manager saw the result was really hard to
> convince
> > > >him that we are on the right path following the steps and evolution of
> > > >Apache releases.
> > > >I tried OpenSans and i have a better result but on the edges if we go
> to
> > > >detail we can see that is not perfect is still a little bit foggy!
> > > >Another font suggestion is always welcome?
> > > >@tom
> > > >"- it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
> > > >> >the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we
> found
> > a
> > > >> >combination that worked well."
> > > >can you tell what combinations you did that worked out?
> > > >Thanks,Miguel
> > > >
> > > >> From: aharui@adobe.com
> > > >> To: users@flex.apache.org
> > > >> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:19:11 -0700
> > > >> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> > > >>
> > > >> I can't find the email thread, but the answer I got was that there
> is
> > no
> > > >> equivalent of gridFitType because the new font rendering algorithm
> is
> > > >> "better". IIRC, it is "better" because it employs some anti-aliasing
> > > >> algorithm on all edges, not just one ones that are unlucky enough to
> > not
> > > >> fall on pixel boundaries, and doesn't mess with inter-character
> > spacing.
> > > >>
> > > >> That said, several folks are unhappy with this algorithm. One
> > > >>experiment
> > > >> for you to try now that we have more version flexibility in Apache
> > Flex
> > > >>is
> > > >> to set your player/air versions back to whatever it was in 4.1 or
> even
> > > >> 4.0. That might cause the player to select an older rendering
> > > >>algorithm.
> > > >>
> > > >> HTH,
> > > >> -Alex
> > > >>
> > > >> On 10/3/13 7:24 AM, "modjklist@comcast.net" <mo...@comcast.net>
> > > >>wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >I've always had problems with embedded fonts in 4.5.1 SDK. I've
> tried
> > > >>so
> > > >> >much to overcome it. Seems no matter which version of Arial or
> > > >>Helvetica
> > > >> >I embed, the spark text always looks shorter and fat (e.g. blurry),
> > and
> > > >> >the mx text looks tall and skinny. The hinting options, while
> having
> > an
> > > >> >effect, don't seem to correct this. If anyone has settings that
> make
> > an
> > > >> >embedded font (Arial or Helvetica) look normal, I'd really like to
> > try
> > > >> >them.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >----- Original Message -----
> > > >> >From: "Tom Chiverton" <tc...@extravision.com>
> > > >> >To: users@flex.apache.org
> > > >> >Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:59:30 AM
> > > >> >Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> > > >> >
> > > >> >On 03/10/2013 14:54, Miguel Ferreira wrote:
> > > >> >> I am finalizing a updated to my costumer from flex 4.1.0 to flex
> > > >>4.10.0
> > > >> >>and the fonts really look horrible.
> > > >> >We had the same issue when migrating up from Adobe Flex 4.1 to
> Apache
> > > >> >4.x - it took some experimenting with the various hinting options
> for
> > > >> >the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we
> found
> > a
> > > >> >combination that worked well.
> > > >> >I'd start by stripping out any relevant styles, then add in a
> > specific
> > > >> >embeded font, then have a look at the various hinting options
> > > >>available.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Tom
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
RE: blurry fonts
Posted by Maurice Amsellem <ma...@systar.com>.
Ah, ok.
-----Message d'origine-----
De : modjklist@comcast.net [mailto:modjklist@comcast.net]
Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:42
À : users@flex.apache.org
Objet : Re: blurry fonts
Thanks Maurice,
Mihai's post below states to remove kerning to avoid a bug:
However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug< https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779 > .
----- Original Message -----
From: "Maurice Amsellem" <ma...@systar.com>
To: users@flex.apache.org
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 10:29:42 AM
Subject: RE: blurry fonts
global {
kerning: off;
}
However, usually text is more readable when kerning is on, especially for some letters combinations, eg AV and things like that.
So why would you turn it off?
Maurice
-----Message d'origine-----
De : modjklist@comcast.net [mailto:modjklist@comcast.net]
Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:12
À : users@flex.apache.org
Objet : Re: blurry fonts
I like peoples suggestions for embedded fonts that look nice.
Just curious though, how does one remove the kerning? Do you need special font software to manipulate this? Or, is it done directly in the font file somehow? Or, done using actionscript code? etc.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mihai Chira" <mi...@gmail.com>
To: users@flex.apache.org
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 1:15:27 AM
Subject: Re: blurry fonts
Hey Miguel,
we're using Myriad Web
Pro<http://www.azfonts.net/load_font/myriadwebpro.html>with the latest version of the SDK and it looks just fine. We also make software meant for many hours' use.
However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779>
.
Best,
Mihai
On 4 October 2013 08:16, Miguel Ferreira <mi...@hotmail.com>wrote:
> The difference is really big.
> Even the colors of some item renders.
> But the question for me is, that will depend of the user player?
> For the older version is more redable but even so with the font opensans
> the difference is smaller.
> There is some font that the guy from the new renderer adivce?Because if
> they say that is better they should have some study cases were they can
> prove that.
> So maybe they can advice on good font for a flex enterprise
> application.Where the user work with it between 4 to 8 hours per day.
> Because with that blurry foggy fonts will be a nightmare.
> Thanks alex for be always available... almost 24/7
> Miguel
> > From: aharui@adobe.com
> > To: users@flex.apache.org
> > Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 23:40:44 -0700
> > Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> >
> > Did you try it with an older swf version?
> >
> > On 10/3/13 11:08 PM, "Miguel Ferreira" <mi...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Thank you all,
> > >I am trying with another font type to see if i can have a better
> > >results.Because of the "better" rendering was one of my key issues to
> > >update to the last version to try to keep up with the Apache evolution,
> > >but after the project manager saw the result was really hard to convince
> > >him that we are on the right path following the steps and evolution of
> > >Apache releases.
> > >I tried OpenSans and i have a better result but on the edges if we go to
> > >detail we can see that is not perfect is still a little bit foggy!
> > >Another font suggestion is always welcome?
> > >@tom
> > >"- it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
> > >> >the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we found
> a
> > >> >combination that worked well."
> > >can you tell what combinations you did that worked out?
> > >Thanks,Miguel
> > >
> > >> From: aharui@adobe.com
> > >> To: users@flex.apache.org
> > >> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:19:11 -0700
> > >> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> > >>
> > >> I can't find the email thread, but the answer I got was that there is
> no
> > >> equivalent of gridFitType because the new font rendering algorithm is
> > >> "better". IIRC, it is "better" because it employs some anti-aliasing
> > >> algorithm on all edges, not just one ones that are unlucky enough to
> not
> > >> fall on pixel boundaries, and doesn't mess with inter-character
> spacing.
> > >>
> > >> That said, several folks are unhappy with this algorithm. One
> > >>experiment
> > >> for you to try now that we have more version flexibility in Apache
> Flex
> > >>is
> > >> to set your player/air versions back to whatever it was in 4.1 or even
> > >> 4.0. That might cause the player to select an older rendering
> > >>algorithm.
> > >>
> > >> HTH,
> > >> -Alex
> > >>
> > >> On 10/3/13 7:24 AM, "modjklist@comcast.net" <mo...@comcast.net>
> > >>wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >I've always had problems with embedded fonts in 4.5.1 SDK. I've tried
> > >>so
> > >> >much to overcome it. Seems no matter which version of Arial or
> > >>Helvetica
> > >> >I embed, the spark text always looks shorter and fat (e.g. blurry),
> and
> > >> >the mx text looks tall and skinny. The hinting options, while having
> an
> > >> >effect, don't seem to correct this. If anyone has settings that make
> an
> > >> >embedded font (Arial or Helvetica) look normal, I'd really like to
> try
> > >> >them.
> > >> >
> > >> >----- Original Message -----
> > >> >From: "Tom Chiverton" <tc...@extravision.com>
> > >> >To: users@flex.apache.org
> > >> >Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:59:30 AM
> > >> >Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> > >> >
> > >> >On 03/10/2013 14:54, Miguel Ferreira wrote:
> > >> >> I am finalizing a updated to my costumer from flex 4.1.0 to flex
> > >>4.10.0
> > >> >>and the fonts really look horrible.
> > >> >We had the same issue when migrating up from Adobe Flex 4.1 to Apache
> > >> >4.x - it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
> > >> >the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we found
> a
> > >> >combination that worked well.
> > >> >I'd start by stripping out any relevant styles, then add in a
> specific
> > >> >embeded font, then have a look at the various hinting options
> > >>available.
> > >> >
> > >> >Tom
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
>
Re: blurry fonts
Posted by mo...@comcast.net.
Thanks Maurice,
Mihai's post below states to remove kerning to avoid a bug:
However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug< https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779 >
.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Maurice Amsellem" <ma...@systar.com>
To: users@flex.apache.org
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 10:29:42 AM
Subject: RE: blurry fonts
global {
kerning: off;
}
However, usually text is more readable when kerning is on, especially for some letters combinations, eg AV and things like that.
So why would you turn it off?
Maurice
-----Message d'origine-----
De : modjklist@comcast.net [mailto:modjklist@comcast.net]
Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:12
À : users@flex.apache.org
Objet : Re: blurry fonts
I like peoples suggestions for embedded fonts that look nice.
Just curious though, how does one remove the kerning? Do you need special font software to manipulate this? Or, is it done directly in the font file somehow? Or, done using actionscript code? etc.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mihai Chira" <mi...@gmail.com>
To: users@flex.apache.org
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 1:15:27 AM
Subject: Re: blurry fonts
Hey Miguel,
we're using Myriad Web
Pro<http://www.azfonts.net/load_font/myriadwebpro.html>with the latest version of the SDK and it looks just fine. We also make software meant for many hours' use.
However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779>
.
Best,
Mihai
On 4 October 2013 08:16, Miguel Ferreira <mi...@hotmail.com>wrote:
> The difference is really big.
> Even the colors of some item renders.
> But the question for me is, that will depend of the user player?
> For the older version is more redable but even so with the font opensans
> the difference is smaller.
> There is some font that the guy from the new renderer adivce?Because if
> they say that is better they should have some study cases were they can
> prove that.
> So maybe they can advice on good font for a flex enterprise
> application.Where the user work with it between 4 to 8 hours per day.
> Because with that blurry foggy fonts will be a nightmare.
> Thanks alex for be always available... almost 24/7
> Miguel
> > From: aharui@adobe.com
> > To: users@flex.apache.org
> > Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 23:40:44 -0700
> > Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> >
> > Did you try it with an older swf version?
> >
> > On 10/3/13 11:08 PM, "Miguel Ferreira" <mi...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Thank you all,
> > >I am trying with another font type to see if i can have a better
> > >results.Because of the "better" rendering was one of my key issues to
> > >update to the last version to try to keep up with the Apache evolution,
> > >but after the project manager saw the result was really hard to convince
> > >him that we are on the right path following the steps and evolution of
> > >Apache releases.
> > >I tried OpenSans and i have a better result but on the edges if we go to
> > >detail we can see that is not perfect is still a little bit foggy!
> > >Another font suggestion is always welcome?
> > >@tom
> > >"- it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
> > >> >the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we found
> a
> > >> >combination that worked well."
> > >can you tell what combinations you did that worked out?
> > >Thanks,Miguel
> > >
> > >> From: aharui@adobe.com
> > >> To: users@flex.apache.org
> > >> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:19:11 -0700
> > >> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> > >>
> > >> I can't find the email thread, but the answer I got was that there is
> no
> > >> equivalent of gridFitType because the new font rendering algorithm is
> > >> "better". IIRC, it is "better" because it employs some anti-aliasing
> > >> algorithm on all edges, not just one ones that are unlucky enough to
> not
> > >> fall on pixel boundaries, and doesn't mess with inter-character
> spacing.
> > >>
> > >> That said, several folks are unhappy with this algorithm. One
> > >>experiment
> > >> for you to try now that we have more version flexibility in Apache
> Flex
> > >>is
> > >> to set your player/air versions back to whatever it was in 4.1 or even
> > >> 4.0. That might cause the player to select an older rendering
> > >>algorithm.
> > >>
> > >> HTH,
> > >> -Alex
> > >>
> > >> On 10/3/13 7:24 AM, "modjklist@comcast.net" <mo...@comcast.net>
> > >>wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >I've always had problems with embedded fonts in 4.5.1 SDK. I've tried
> > >>so
> > >> >much to overcome it. Seems no matter which version of Arial or
> > >>Helvetica
> > >> >I embed, the spark text always looks shorter and fat (e.g. blurry),
> and
> > >> >the mx text looks tall and skinny. The hinting options, while having
> an
> > >> >effect, don't seem to correct this. If anyone has settings that make
> an
> > >> >embedded font (Arial or Helvetica) look normal, I'd really like to
> try
> > >> >them.
> > >> >
> > >> >----- Original Message -----
> > >> >From: "Tom Chiverton" <tc...@extravision.com>
> > >> >To: users@flex.apache.org
> > >> >Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:59:30 AM
> > >> >Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> > >> >
> > >> >On 03/10/2013 14:54, Miguel Ferreira wrote:
> > >> >> I am finalizing a updated to my costumer from flex 4.1.0 to flex
> > >>4.10.0
> > >> >>and the fonts really look horrible.
> > >> >We had the same issue when migrating up from Adobe Flex 4.1 to Apache
> > >> >4.x - it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
> > >> >the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we found
> a
> > >> >combination that worked well.
> > >> >I'd start by stripping out any relevant styles, then add in a
> specific
> > >> >embeded font, then have a look at the various hinting options
> > >>available.
> > >> >
> > >> >Tom
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
>
RE: blurry fonts
Posted by Maurice Amsellem <ma...@systar.com>.
global {
kerning: off;
}
However, usually text is more readable when kerning is on, especially for some letters combinations, eg AV and things like that.
So why would you turn it off?
Maurice
-----Message d'origine-----
De : modjklist@comcast.net [mailto:modjklist@comcast.net]
Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:12
À : users@flex.apache.org
Objet : Re: blurry fonts
I like peoples suggestions for embedded fonts that look nice.
Just curious though, how does one remove the kerning? Do you need special font software to manipulate this? Or, is it done directly in the font file somehow? Or, done using actionscript code? etc.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mihai Chira" <mi...@gmail.com>
To: users@flex.apache.org
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 1:15:27 AM
Subject: Re: blurry fonts
Hey Miguel,
we're using Myriad Web
Pro<http://www.azfonts.net/load_font/myriadwebpro.html>with the latest version of the SDK and it looks just fine. We also make software meant for many hours' use.
However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779>
.
Best,
Mihai
On 4 October 2013 08:16, Miguel Ferreira <mi...@hotmail.com>wrote:
> The difference is really big.
> Even the colors of some item renders.
> But the question for me is, that will depend of the user player?
> For the older version is more redable but even so with the font opensans
> the difference is smaller.
> There is some font that the guy from the new renderer adivce?Because if
> they say that is better they should have some study cases were they can
> prove that.
> So maybe they can advice on good font for a flex enterprise
> application.Where the user work with it between 4 to 8 hours per day.
> Because with that blurry foggy fonts will be a nightmare.
> Thanks alex for be always available... almost 24/7
> Miguel
> > From: aharui@adobe.com
> > To: users@flex.apache.org
> > Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 23:40:44 -0700
> > Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> >
> > Did you try it with an older swf version?
> >
> > On 10/3/13 11:08 PM, "Miguel Ferreira" <mi...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Thank you all,
> > >I am trying with another font type to see if i can have a better
> > >results.Because of the "better" rendering was one of my key issues to
> > >update to the last version to try to keep up with the Apache evolution,
> > >but after the project manager saw the result was really hard to convince
> > >him that we are on the right path following the steps and evolution of
> > >Apache releases.
> > >I tried OpenSans and i have a better result but on the edges if we go to
> > >detail we can see that is not perfect is still a little bit foggy!
> > >Another font suggestion is always welcome?
> > >@tom
> > >"- it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
> > >> >the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we found
> a
> > >> >combination that worked well."
> > >can you tell what combinations you did that worked out?
> > >Thanks,Miguel
> > >
> > >> From: aharui@adobe.com
> > >> To: users@flex.apache.org
> > >> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:19:11 -0700
> > >> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> > >>
> > >> I can't find the email thread, but the answer I got was that there is
> no
> > >> equivalent of gridFitType because the new font rendering algorithm is
> > >> "better". IIRC, it is "better" because it employs some anti-aliasing
> > >> algorithm on all edges, not just one ones that are unlucky enough to
> not
> > >> fall on pixel boundaries, and doesn't mess with inter-character
> spacing.
> > >>
> > >> That said, several folks are unhappy with this algorithm. One
> > >>experiment
> > >> for you to try now that we have more version flexibility in Apache
> Flex
> > >>is
> > >> to set your player/air versions back to whatever it was in 4.1 or even
> > >> 4.0. That might cause the player to select an older rendering
> > >>algorithm.
> > >>
> > >> HTH,
> > >> -Alex
> > >>
> > >> On 10/3/13 7:24 AM, "modjklist@comcast.net" <mo...@comcast.net>
> > >>wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >I've always had problems with embedded fonts in 4.5.1 SDK. I've tried
> > >>so
> > >> >much to overcome it. Seems no matter which version of Arial or
> > >>Helvetica
> > >> >I embed, the spark text always looks shorter and fat (e.g. blurry),
> and
> > >> >the mx text looks tall and skinny. The hinting options, while having
> an
> > >> >effect, don't seem to correct this. If anyone has settings that make
> an
> > >> >embedded font (Arial or Helvetica) look normal, I'd really like to
> try
> > >> >them.
> > >> >
> > >> >----- Original Message -----
> > >> >From: "Tom Chiverton" <tc...@extravision.com>
> > >> >To: users@flex.apache.org
> > >> >Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:59:30 AM
> > >> >Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> > >> >
> > >> >On 03/10/2013 14:54, Miguel Ferreira wrote:
> > >> >> I am finalizing a updated to my costumer from flex 4.1.0 to flex
> > >>4.10.0
> > >> >>and the fonts really look horrible.
> > >> >We had the same issue when migrating up from Adobe Flex 4.1 to Apache
> > >> >4.x - it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
> > >> >the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we found
> a
> > >> >combination that worked well.
> > >> >I'd start by stripping out any relevant styles, then add in a
> specific
> > >> >embeded font, then have a look at the various hinting options
> > >>available.
> > >> >
> > >> >Tom
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
>
Re: blurry fonts
Posted by mo...@comcast.net.
I like peoples suggestions for embedded fonts that look nice.
Just curious though, how does one remove the kerning? Do you need special font software to manipulate this? Or, is it done directly in the font file somehow? Or, done using actionscript code? etc.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mihai Chira" <mi...@gmail.com>
To: users@flex.apache.org
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 1:15:27 AM
Subject: Re: blurry fonts
Hey Miguel,
we're using Myriad Web
Pro<http://www.azfonts.net/load_font/myriadwebpro.html>with the latest
version of the SDK and it looks just fine. We also make
software meant for many hours' use.
However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning
information inside it until we have a resolution for this
bug<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779>
.
Best,
Mihai
On 4 October 2013 08:16, Miguel Ferreira <mi...@hotmail.com>wrote:
> The difference is really big.
> Even the colors of some item renders.
> But the question for me is, that will depend of the user player?
> For the older version is more redable but even so with the font opensans
> the difference is smaller.
> There is some font that the guy from the new renderer adivce?Because if
> they say that is better they should have some study cases were they can
> prove that.
> So maybe they can advice on good font for a flex enterprise
> application.Where the user work with it between 4 to 8 hours per day.
> Because with that blurry foggy fonts will be a nightmare.
> Thanks alex for be always available... almost 24/7
> Miguel
> > From: aharui@adobe.com
> > To: users@flex.apache.org
> > Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 23:40:44 -0700
> > Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> >
> > Did you try it with an older swf version?
> >
> > On 10/3/13 11:08 PM, "Miguel Ferreira" <mi...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Thank you all,
> > >I am trying with another font type to see if i can have a better
> > >results.Because of the "better" rendering was one of my key issues to
> > >update to the last version to try to keep up with the Apache evolution,
> > >but after the project manager saw the result was really hard to convince
> > >him that we are on the right path following the steps and evolution of
> > >Apache releases.
> > >I tried OpenSans and i have a better result but on the edges if we go to
> > >detail we can see that is not perfect is still a little bit foggy!
> > >Another font suggestion is always welcome?
> > >@tom
> > >"- it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
> > >> >the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we found
> a
> > >> >combination that worked well."
> > >can you tell what combinations you did that worked out?
> > >Thanks,Miguel
> > >
> > >> From: aharui@adobe.com
> > >> To: users@flex.apache.org
> > >> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:19:11 -0700
> > >> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> > >>
> > >> I can't find the email thread, but the answer I got was that there is
> no
> > >> equivalent of gridFitType because the new font rendering algorithm is
> > >> "better". IIRC, it is "better" because it employs some anti-aliasing
> > >> algorithm on all edges, not just one ones that are unlucky enough to
> not
> > >> fall on pixel boundaries, and doesn't mess with inter-character
> spacing.
> > >>
> > >> That said, several folks are unhappy with this algorithm. One
> > >>experiment
> > >> for you to try now that we have more version flexibility in Apache
> Flex
> > >>is
> > >> to set your player/air versions back to whatever it was in 4.1 or even
> > >> 4.0. That might cause the player to select an older rendering
> > >>algorithm.
> > >>
> > >> HTH,
> > >> -Alex
> > >>
> > >> On 10/3/13 7:24 AM, "modjklist@comcast.net" <mo...@comcast.net>
> > >>wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >I've always had problems with embedded fonts in 4.5.1 SDK. I've tried
> > >>so
> > >> >much to overcome it. Seems no matter which version of Arial or
> > >>Helvetica
> > >> >I embed, the spark text always looks shorter and fat (e.g. blurry),
> and
> > >> >the mx text looks tall and skinny. The hinting options, while having
> an
> > >> >effect, don't seem to correct this. If anyone has settings that make
> an
> > >> >embedded font (Arial or Helvetica) look normal, I'd really like to
> try
> > >> >them.
> > >> >
> > >> >----- Original Message -----
> > >> >From: "Tom Chiverton" <tc...@extravision.com>
> > >> >To: users@flex.apache.org
> > >> >Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:59:30 AM
> > >> >Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> > >> >
> > >> >On 03/10/2013 14:54, Miguel Ferreira wrote:
> > >> >> I am finalizing a updated to my costumer from flex 4.1.0 to flex
> > >>4.10.0
> > >> >>and the fonts really look horrible.
> > >> >We had the same issue when migrating up from Adobe Flex 4.1 to Apache
> > >> >4.x - it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
> > >> >the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we found
> a
> > >> >combination that worked well.
> > >> >I'd start by stripping out any relevant styles, then add in a
> specific
> > >> >embeded font, then have a look at the various hinting options
> > >>available.
> > >> >
> > >> >Tom
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
>
Re: blurry fonts
Posted by Mihai Chira <mi...@gmail.com>.
Hey Miguel,
we're using Myriad Web
Pro<http://www.azfonts.net/load_font/myriadwebpro.html>with the latest
version of the SDK and it looks just fine. We also make
software meant for many hours' use.
However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning
information inside it until we have a resolution for this
bug<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779>
.
Best,
Mihai
On 4 October 2013 08:16, Miguel Ferreira <mi...@hotmail.com>wrote:
> The difference is really big.
> Even the colors of some item renders.
> But the question for me is, that will depend of the user player?
> For the older version is more redable but even so with the font opensans
> the difference is smaller.
> There is some font that the guy from the new renderer adivce?Because if
> they say that is better they should have some study cases were they can
> prove that.
> So maybe they can advice on good font for a flex enterprise
> application.Where the user work with it between 4 to 8 hours per day.
> Because with that blurry foggy fonts will be a nightmare.
> Thanks alex for be always available... almost 24/7
> Miguel
> > From: aharui@adobe.com
> > To: users@flex.apache.org
> > Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 23:40:44 -0700
> > Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> >
> > Did you try it with an older swf version?
> >
> > On 10/3/13 11:08 PM, "Miguel Ferreira" <mi...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Thank you all,
> > >I am trying with another font type to see if i can have a better
> > >results.Because of the "better" rendering was one of my key issues to
> > >update to the last version to try to keep up with the Apache evolution,
> > >but after the project manager saw the result was really hard to convince
> > >him that we are on the right path following the steps and evolution of
> > >Apache releases.
> > >I tried OpenSans and i have a better result but on the edges if we go to
> > >detail we can see that is not perfect is still a little bit foggy!
> > >Another font suggestion is always welcome?
> > >@tom
> > >"- it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
> > >> >the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we found
> a
> > >> >combination that worked well."
> > >can you tell what combinations you did that worked out?
> > >Thanks,Miguel
> > >
> > >> From: aharui@adobe.com
> > >> To: users@flex.apache.org
> > >> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:19:11 -0700
> > >> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> > >>
> > >> I can't find the email thread, but the answer I got was that there is
> no
> > >> equivalent of gridFitType because the new font rendering algorithm is
> > >> "better". IIRC, it is "better" because it employs some anti-aliasing
> > >> algorithm on all edges, not just one ones that are unlucky enough to
> not
> > >> fall on pixel boundaries, and doesn't mess with inter-character
> spacing.
> > >>
> > >> That said, several folks are unhappy with this algorithm. One
> > >>experiment
> > >> for you to try now that we have more version flexibility in Apache
> Flex
> > >>is
> > >> to set your player/air versions back to whatever it was in 4.1 or even
> > >> 4.0. That might cause the player to select an older rendering
> > >>algorithm.
> > >>
> > >> HTH,
> > >> -Alex
> > >>
> > >> On 10/3/13 7:24 AM, "modjklist@comcast.net" <mo...@comcast.net>
> > >>wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >I've always had problems with embedded fonts in 4.5.1 SDK. I've tried
> > >>so
> > >> >much to overcome it. Seems no matter which version of Arial or
> > >>Helvetica
> > >> >I embed, the spark text always looks shorter and fat (e.g. blurry),
> and
> > >> >the mx text looks tall and skinny. The hinting options, while having
> an
> > >> >effect, don't seem to correct this. If anyone has settings that make
> an
> > >> >embedded font (Arial or Helvetica) look normal, I'd really like to
> try
> > >> >them.
> > >> >
> > >> >----- Original Message -----
> > >> >From: "Tom Chiverton" <tc...@extravision.com>
> > >> >To: users@flex.apache.org
> > >> >Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:59:30 AM
> > >> >Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> > >> >
> > >> >On 03/10/2013 14:54, Miguel Ferreira wrote:
> > >> >> I am finalizing a updated to my costumer from flex 4.1.0 to flex
> > >>4.10.0
> > >> >>and the fonts really look horrible.
> > >> >We had the same issue when migrating up from Adobe Flex 4.1 to Apache
> > >> >4.x - it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
> > >> >the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we found
> a
> > >> >combination that worked well.
> > >> >I'd start by stripping out any relevant styles, then add in a
> specific
> > >> >embeded font, then have a look at the various hinting options
> > >>available.
> > >> >
> > >> >Tom
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
>
RE: blurry fonts
Posted by Miguel Ferreira <mi...@hotmail.com>.
The difference is really big.
Even the colors of some item renders.
But the question for me is, that will depend of the user player?
For the older version is more redable but even so with the font opensans the difference is smaller.
There is some font that the guy from the new renderer adivce?Because if they say that is better they should have some study cases were they can prove that.
So maybe they can advice on good font for a flex enterprise application.Where the user work with it between 4 to 8 hours per day.
Because with that blurry foggy fonts will be a nightmare.
Thanks alex for be always available... almost 24/7
Miguel
> From: aharui@adobe.com
> To: users@flex.apache.org
> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 23:40:44 -0700
> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>
> Did you try it with an older swf version?
>
> On 10/3/13 11:08 PM, "Miguel Ferreira" <mi...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Thank you all,
> >I am trying with another font type to see if i can have a better
> >results.Because of the "better" rendering was one of my key issues to
> >update to the last version to try to keep up with the Apache evolution,
> >but after the project manager saw the result was really hard to convince
> >him that we are on the right path following the steps and evolution of
> >Apache releases.
> >I tried OpenSans and i have a better result but on the edges if we go to
> >detail we can see that is not perfect is still a little bit foggy!
> >Another font suggestion is always welcome?
> >@tom
> >"- it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
> >> >the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we found a
> >> >combination that worked well."
> >can you tell what combinations you did that worked out?
> >Thanks,Miguel
> >
> >> From: aharui@adobe.com
> >> To: users@flex.apache.org
> >> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:19:11 -0700
> >> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> >>
> >> I can't find the email thread, but the answer I got was that there is no
> >> equivalent of gridFitType because the new font rendering algorithm is
> >> "better". IIRC, it is "better" because it employs some anti-aliasing
> >> algorithm on all edges, not just one ones that are unlucky enough to not
> >> fall on pixel boundaries, and doesn't mess with inter-character spacing.
> >>
> >> That said, several folks are unhappy with this algorithm. One
> >>experiment
> >> for you to try now that we have more version flexibility in Apache Flex
> >>is
> >> to set your player/air versions back to whatever it was in 4.1 or even
> >> 4.0. That might cause the player to select an older rendering
> >>algorithm.
> >>
> >> HTH,
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> On 10/3/13 7:24 AM, "modjklist@comcast.net" <mo...@comcast.net>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >> >I've always had problems with embedded fonts in 4.5.1 SDK. I've tried
> >>so
> >> >much to overcome it. Seems no matter which version of Arial or
> >>Helvetica
> >> >I embed, the spark text always looks shorter and fat (e.g. blurry), and
> >> >the mx text looks tall and skinny. The hinting options, while having an
> >> >effect, don't seem to correct this. If anyone has settings that make an
> >> >embedded font (Arial or Helvetica) look normal, I'd really like to try
> >> >them.
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "Tom Chiverton" <tc...@extravision.com>
> >> >To: users@flex.apache.org
> >> >Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:59:30 AM
> >> >Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> >> >
> >> >On 03/10/2013 14:54, Miguel Ferreira wrote:
> >> >> I am finalizing a updated to my costumer from flex 4.1.0 to flex
> >>4.10.0
> >> >>and the fonts really look horrible.
> >> >We had the same issue when migrating up from Adobe Flex 4.1 to Apache
> >> >4.x - it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
> >> >the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we found a
> >> >combination that worked well.
> >> >I'd start by stripping out any relevant styles, then add in a specific
> >> >embeded font, then have a look at the various hinting options
> >>available.
> >> >
> >> >Tom
> >>
> >
>
Re: blurry fonts
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
And, by the way, the ability to configure your SDK to an older player
version is a feature only in Apache Flex, so this is a good reason to have
switched.
On 10/4/13 9:58 AM, "Alex Harui" <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
>
>On 10/3/13 11:53 PM, "Miguel Ferreira" <mi...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I am on the way but i need the playerglobal download to make it work.
>>But alex, that will not depend of the user version.
>>For example if the user have another version the result of the rendering
>>fonts will be diferent?
>Assuming you configured your SDK properly, the result should be that the
>SWF you generate has a lower swf version than it would have otherwise.
>Any version of the Flash Player should see that version number and render
>the fonts using the algorithm associated with that version, so it should
>not matter what the actual Flash Player version the user has installed.
>
Re: blurry fonts
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
On 10/3/13 11:53 PM, "Miguel Ferreira" <mi...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>I am on the way but i need the playerglobal download to make it work.
>But alex, that will not depend of the user version.
>For example if the user have another version the result of the rendering
>fonts will be diferent?
Assuming you configured your SDK properly, the result should be that the
SWF you generate has a lower swf version than it would have otherwise.
Any version of the Flash Player should see that version number and render
the fonts using the algorithm associated with that version, so it should
not matter what the actual Flash Player version the user has installed.
RE: blurry fonts
Posted by Miguel Ferreira <mi...@hotmail.com>.
I am on the way but i need the playerglobal download to make it work.
But alex, that will not depend of the user version.
For example if the user have another version the result of the rendering fonts will be diferent?
> From: aharui@adobe.com
> To: users@flex.apache.org
> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 23:40:44 -0700
> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>
> Did you try it with an older swf version?
>
> On 10/3/13 11:08 PM, "Miguel Ferreira" <mi...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Thank you all,
> >I am trying with another font type to see if i can have a better
> >results.Because of the "better" rendering was one of my key issues to
> >update to the last version to try to keep up with the Apache evolution,
> >but after the project manager saw the result was really hard to convince
> >him that we are on the right path following the steps and evolution of
> >Apache releases.
> >I tried OpenSans and i have a better result but on the edges if we go to
> >detail we can see that is not perfect is still a little bit foggy!
> >Another font suggestion is always welcome?
> >@tom
> >"- it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
> >> >the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we found a
> >> >combination that worked well."
> >can you tell what combinations you did that worked out?
> >Thanks,Miguel
> >
> >> From: aharui@adobe.com
> >> To: users@flex.apache.org
> >> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:19:11 -0700
> >> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> >>
> >> I can't find the email thread, but the answer I got was that there is no
> >> equivalent of gridFitType because the new font rendering algorithm is
> >> "better". IIRC, it is "better" because it employs some anti-aliasing
> >> algorithm on all edges, not just one ones that are unlucky enough to not
> >> fall on pixel boundaries, and doesn't mess with inter-character spacing.
> >>
> >> That said, several folks are unhappy with this algorithm. One
> >>experiment
> >> for you to try now that we have more version flexibility in Apache Flex
> >>is
> >> to set your player/air versions back to whatever it was in 4.1 or even
> >> 4.0. That might cause the player to select an older rendering
> >>algorithm.
> >>
> >> HTH,
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> On 10/3/13 7:24 AM, "modjklist@comcast.net" <mo...@comcast.net>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >> >I've always had problems with embedded fonts in 4.5.1 SDK. I've tried
> >>so
> >> >much to overcome it. Seems no matter which version of Arial or
> >>Helvetica
> >> >I embed, the spark text always looks shorter and fat (e.g. blurry), and
> >> >the mx text looks tall and skinny. The hinting options, while having an
> >> >effect, don't seem to correct this. If anyone has settings that make an
> >> >embedded font (Arial or Helvetica) look normal, I'd really like to try
> >> >them.
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "Tom Chiverton" <tc...@extravision.com>
> >> >To: users@flex.apache.org
> >> >Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:59:30 AM
> >> >Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> >> >
> >> >On 03/10/2013 14:54, Miguel Ferreira wrote:
> >> >> I am finalizing a updated to my costumer from flex 4.1.0 to flex
> >>4.10.0
> >> >>and the fonts really look horrible.
> >> >We had the same issue when migrating up from Adobe Flex 4.1 to Apache
> >> >4.x - it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
> >> >the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we found a
> >> >combination that worked well.
> >> >I'd start by stripping out any relevant styles, then add in a specific
> >> >embeded font, then have a look at the various hinting options
> >>available.
> >> >
> >> >Tom
> >>
> >
>
Re: blurry fonts
Posted by Tom Chiverton <tc...@extravision.com>.
On 04/10/2013 07:08, Miguel Ferreira wrote:
> Another font suggestion is always welcome?
We like Roboto Medium.
Tom
Re: blurry fonts
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
Did you try it with an older swf version?
On 10/3/13 11:08 PM, "Miguel Ferreira" <mi...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>Thank you all,
>I am trying with another font type to see if i can have a better
>results.Because of the "better" rendering was one of my key issues to
>update to the last version to try to keep up with the Apache evolution,
>but after the project manager saw the result was really hard to convince
>him that we are on the right path following the steps and evolution of
>Apache releases.
>I tried OpenSans and i have a better result but on the edges if we go to
>detail we can see that is not perfect is still a little bit foggy!
>Another font suggestion is always welcome?
>@tom
>"- it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
>> >the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we found a
>> >combination that worked well."
>can you tell what combinations you did that worked out?
>Thanks,Miguel
>
>> From: aharui@adobe.com
>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:19:11 -0700
>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>>
>> I can't find the email thread, but the answer I got was that there is no
>> equivalent of gridFitType because the new font rendering algorithm is
>> "better". IIRC, it is "better" because it employs some anti-aliasing
>> algorithm on all edges, not just one ones that are unlucky enough to not
>> fall on pixel boundaries, and doesn't mess with inter-character spacing.
>>
>> That said, several folks are unhappy with this algorithm. One
>>experiment
>> for you to try now that we have more version flexibility in Apache Flex
>>is
>> to set your player/air versions back to whatever it was in 4.1 or even
>> 4.0. That might cause the player to select an older rendering
>>algorithm.
>>
>> HTH,
>> -Alex
>>
>> On 10/3/13 7:24 AM, "modjklist@comcast.net" <mo...@comcast.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>> >I've always had problems with embedded fonts in 4.5.1 SDK. I've tried
>>so
>> >much to overcome it. Seems no matter which version of Arial or
>>Helvetica
>> >I embed, the spark text always looks shorter and fat (e.g. blurry), and
>> >the mx text looks tall and skinny. The hinting options, while having an
>> >effect, don't seem to correct this. If anyone has settings that make an
>> >embedded font (Arial or Helvetica) look normal, I'd really like to try
>> >them.
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Tom Chiverton" <tc...@extravision.com>
>> >To: users@flex.apache.org
>> >Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:59:30 AM
>> >Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>> >
>> >On 03/10/2013 14:54, Miguel Ferreira wrote:
>> >> I am finalizing a updated to my costumer from flex 4.1.0 to flex
>>4.10.0
>> >>and the fonts really look horrible.
>> >We had the same issue when migrating up from Adobe Flex 4.1 to Apache
>> >4.x - it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
>> >the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we found a
>> >combination that worked well.
>> >I'd start by stripping out any relevant styles, then add in a specific
>> >embeded font, then have a look at the various hinting options
>>available.
>> >
>> >Tom
>>
>
RE: blurry fonts
Posted by Miguel Ferreira <mi...@hotmail.com>.
Thank you all,
I am trying with another font type to see if i can have a better results.Because of the "better" rendering was one of my key issues to update to the last version to try to keep up with the Apache evolution, but after the project manager saw the result was really hard to convince him that we are on the right path following the steps and evolution of Apache releases.
I tried OpenSans and i have a better result but on the edges if we go to detail we can see that is not perfect is still a little bit foggy!
Another font suggestion is always welcome?
@tom
"- it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
> >the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we found a
> >combination that worked well."
can you tell what combinations you did that worked out?
Thanks,Miguel
> From: aharui@adobe.com
> To: users@flex.apache.org
> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:19:11 -0700
> Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>
> I can't find the email thread, but the answer I got was that there is no
> equivalent of gridFitType because the new font rendering algorithm is
> "better". IIRC, it is "better" because it employs some anti-aliasing
> algorithm on all edges, not just one ones that are unlucky enough to not
> fall on pixel boundaries, and doesn't mess with inter-character spacing.
>
> That said, several folks are unhappy with this algorithm. One experiment
> for you to try now that we have more version flexibility in Apache Flex is
> to set your player/air versions back to whatever it was in 4.1 or even
> 4.0. That might cause the player to select an older rendering algorithm.
>
> HTH,
> -Alex
>
> On 10/3/13 7:24 AM, "modjklist@comcast.net" <mo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >I've always had problems with embedded fonts in 4.5.1 SDK. I've tried so
> >much to overcome it. Seems no matter which version of Arial or Helvetica
> >I embed, the spark text always looks shorter and fat (e.g. blurry), and
> >the mx text looks tall and skinny. The hinting options, while having an
> >effect, don't seem to correct this. If anyone has settings that make an
> >embedded font (Arial or Helvetica) look normal, I'd really like to try
> >them.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Tom Chiverton" <tc...@extravision.com>
> >To: users@flex.apache.org
> >Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:59:30 AM
> >Subject: Re: blurry fonts
> >
> >On 03/10/2013 14:54, Miguel Ferreira wrote:
> >> I am finalizing a updated to my costumer from flex 4.1.0 to flex 4.10.0
> >>and the fonts really look horrible.
> >We had the same issue when migrating up from Adobe Flex 4.1 to Apache
> >4.x - it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
> >the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we found a
> >combination that worked well.
> >I'd start by stripping out any relevant styles, then add in a specific
> >embeded font, then have a look at the various hinting options available.
> >
> >Tom
>
Re: blurry fonts
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
I can't find the email thread, but the answer I got was that there is no
equivalent of gridFitType because the new font rendering algorithm is
"better". IIRC, it is "better" because it employs some anti-aliasing
algorithm on all edges, not just one ones that are unlucky enough to not
fall on pixel boundaries, and doesn't mess with inter-character spacing.
That said, several folks are unhappy with this algorithm. One experiment
for you to try now that we have more version flexibility in Apache Flex is
to set your player/air versions back to whatever it was in 4.1 or even
4.0. That might cause the player to select an older rendering algorithm.
HTH,
-Alex
On 10/3/13 7:24 AM, "modjklist@comcast.net" <mo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>I've always had problems with embedded fonts in 4.5.1 SDK. I've tried so
>much to overcome it. Seems no matter which version of Arial or Helvetica
>I embed, the spark text always looks shorter and fat (e.g. blurry), and
>the mx text looks tall and skinny. The hinting options, while having an
>effect, don't seem to correct this. If anyone has settings that make an
>embedded font (Arial or Helvetica) look normal, I'd really like to try
>them.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tom Chiverton" <tc...@extravision.com>
>To: users@flex.apache.org
>Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:59:30 AM
>Subject: Re: blurry fonts
>
>On 03/10/2013 14:54, Miguel Ferreira wrote:
>> I am finalizing a updated to my costumer from flex 4.1.0 to flex 4.10.0
>>and the fonts really look horrible.
>We had the same issue when migrating up from Adobe Flex 4.1 to Apache
>4.x - it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
>the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we found a
>combination that worked well.
>I'd start by stripping out any relevant styles, then add in a specific
>embeded font, then have a look at the various hinting options available.
>
>Tom
Re: blurry fonts
Posted by mo...@comcast.net.
I've always had problems with embedded fonts in 4.5.1 SDK. I've tried so much to overcome it. Seems no matter which version of Arial or Helvetica I embed, the spark text always looks shorter and fat (e.g. blurry), and the mx text looks tall and skinny. The hinting options, while having an effect, don't seem to correct this. If anyone has settings that make an embedded font (Arial or Helvetica) look normal, I'd really like to try them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Chiverton" <tc...@extravision.com>
To: users@flex.apache.org
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:59:30 AM
Subject: Re: blurry fonts
On 03/10/2013 14:54, Miguel Ferreira wrote:
> I am finalizing a updated to my costumer from flex 4.1.0 to flex 4.10.0 and the fonts really look horrible.
We had the same issue when migrating up from Adobe Flex 4.1 to Apache
4.x - it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we found a
combination that worked well.
I'd start by stripping out any relevant styles, then add in a specific
embeded font, then have a look at the various hinting options available.
Tom
Re: blurry fonts
Posted by Tom Chiverton <tc...@extravision.com>.
On 03/10/2013 14:54, Miguel Ferreira wrote:
> I am finalizing a updated to my costumer from flex 4.1.0 to flex 4.10.0 and the fonts really look horrible.
We had the same issue when migrating up from Adobe Flex 4.1 to Apache
4.x - it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for
the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we found a
combination that worked well.
I'd start by stripping out any relevant styles, then add in a specific
embeded font, then have a look at the various hinting options available.
Tom
RE: textflow configuration manageTabkey
Posted by After24 <vi...@after24.net>.
Hi Miguel,
Another option may be to handle the tab key by assigning a custom
EditManager (extending flashx.textLayout.edit.EditManager) to the TextFlow :
/public class CustomEditManager extends EditManager
{
override public function keyDownHandler(event:KeyboardEvent):void
{
if (event.keyCode == 9)
{
// Your implementation
}
}
}/
And assigning this custom EditManager to the TextFlow :
/yourTextFlow.interactionManager = new CustomEditManager();
/
Miguel Ferreira wrote
> The perfect solution should be to merge the both solutions and on the
> TextFlowUtil.importFromXML we could pass the configuration or by default
> use the default configuration set it in TextFlow.defaultConfiguration.
> in this moment is what i am making to test all the workflow.
> Thank you for the input
>
>> From:
> smatheson@
>> To:
> users@.apache
>> Subject: Re: textflow configuration manageTabkey
>> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 12:55:21 +0000
>>
>> Hi
>> If you have a simple textFlow display only, it seems to work well, I
>> found in some case with alinement = center and links in text, I found the
>> clickable link target area was wrong, I need to upgrade and check my
>> issue
>> with latest SDK, then create a bug if there is still an issue
>>
>> Just do some good Q&A on this feature to save you a lot of work later
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> On 4/28/14, 1:48 PM, "Miguel Ferreira" <
> miguel.cd.ferreira@
> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi Vicent,
>> >Thank you.
>> >I was using the TextFlowUtil.importFromXML.
>> >now beucase or email i changed for this:
>> >TextConverter.importToFlow(tlfXML , TextConverter.TEXT_LAYOUT_FORMAT,
>> >TextFlow.defaultConfiguration );
>> >Then i can pass the configuration that i need.
>> >Thanks for the big picture!
>> >Now i have a error on the change event but i have to check it...
>> >
>> >> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 12:17:36 +0200
>> >> From:
> vincent@
>> >> To:
> users@.apache
>> >> Subject: Re: textflow configuration manageTabkey
>> >>
>> >> Hi Miguel,
>> >>
>> >> When you import your TextFlow from the XML, do you set the config
>> >> parameter of the importToFlow method ? this parameter can be used to
>> >> associate a Configuration to the TextFlow.
>> >>
>> >> Vincent.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Le 28/04/2014 12:02, Miguel Ferreira a écrit :
>> >> > Hi all,
>> >> > I am trying to do something and i am sure that should be available a
>> >>easy way to do it when i can see all the picture, but meanwhile is not
>> >>the case so maybe some one can help.
>> >> > I change the default configuration of the textFlow like this;
>> >> > TextFlow.defaultConfiguration.manageTabKey = true;
>> >> >
>> >> > When i see the defalut textflow from a richtext i have that option
>> >>enabled without any problem.
>> >> >
>> >> > The problem starts when i use :
>> >> > TextFlowUtil.importFromXML
>> >> > everytime that i have a XML and i import it to textflow the
>> configure
>> >>for the manageTabKey is false and if i want to change i cannot because
>> >>is read only on the documents i did not find a solution for that.
>> >> > Someone face the same problem before?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you for some feedback in advance.
>> >> > Miguel.
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
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