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Posted to dev@ripple.apache.org by Ross Gardler <Ro...@microsoft.com> on 2015/12/01 07:13:59 UTC
Trademark use after retirement
As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked on elsewhere if you so desire.
Ross
Re: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
Anyone opposed to me asking on Twitter? This sounds like bragging, but
I've got a lot of followers, so someone may be able to hook me up.
Heck, I'll just ask.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> I would also be interested in keeping this project alive in github. I would also like to see if we can continue to keep the name - "Ripple".
> I plan to send a mail to trademarks@apache.org to confirm that Apache does not own the trademark - Ripple. If Apache does not, do we have contacts in blackberry that we could reach out to ?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ross Gardler [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 8:00 AM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
>
> I concur, you can certainly take the code under the Apache License and a different name (would need to change references in the code itself too).
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Christian Grobmeier<ma...@apache.org>
> Sent: 12/1/2015 7:44 AM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Trademark use after retirement
>
> Nothing would prevent you to do something like that.
> There are a few formal requirments, like also saying "$X is not related with Apache Ripple etc" anymore.
>
> Here is some guidance, but in general i think its all just saying clearly what it is and what not.
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fapache.org%2ffoundation%2fmarks%2f%23guidelines&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475a865408d2fa6656e7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=2Yyic0ID%2bdMwiGPHAquMqR1GJxw0FmN8XTULQXqovaw%3d
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 16:27, Raymond Camden wrote:
>> Oh thats cool. And I assume that if it ended up as Project X or some
>> such, we can say, "This project was formally known as Apache Ripple".
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> <gr...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > Actually it is possible to make some kind of references from the old
>> > project pages to the new home.
>> > Like in example:
>> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fincu
>> > bator.apache.org%2fprojects%2fzetacomponents.html&data=01%7c01%7cRos
>> > s.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475a865408d2fa6656e7%7c72f98
>> > 8bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=J257WMk2He7bewT9tH5zSyX07tHc5b
>> > ZZE%2bgZbLX%2fNYE%3d
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 12:55, Raymond Camden wrote:
>> >> So does anyone want to do this? I'd like to see Ripple up on GitHub
>> >> and I'd be happy to help manage it, but I frankly give two hoots
>> >> about the name itself. If there is someone who knows a contact at
>> >> Blackberry to ask, cool, otherwise, I say we just pick some random
>> >> new name and put it up on GitHub.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Ross Gardler
>> >> <Ro...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >> > As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
>> >> >
>> >> > If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
>> >> >
>> >> > The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked on elsewhere if you so desire.
>> >> >
>> >> > Ross
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> ===================================================================
>> >> ======== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
>> >>
>> >> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
>> >> Blog :
>> >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.raymondcamde
>> >> n.com&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475
>> >> a865408d2fa6656e7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=LD%2
>> >> f8FTwiGl0LiHzyKen7dx9tUc5V%2fF7YjoFdPgwdnCM%3d
>> >> Twitter: raymondcamden
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ======================================================================
>> ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
>>
>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
>> Blog :
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.raymondcamden.c
>> om&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475a86540
>> 8d2fa6656e7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=LD%2f8FTwiGl0
>> LiHzyKen7dx9tUc5V%2fF7YjoFdPgwdnCM%3d
>> Twitter: raymondcamden
--
===========================================================================
Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
Twitter: raymondcamden
Re: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
Ok, Parashuram, let us know what you hear from Apache.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com> wrote:
> Once you confirm the status with Apache trademarks, let me know if you need support on the BlackBerry side.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Ken Wallis
> Senior Product Manager
> Office: +1 (925) 931-6024
> BlackBerry: (415) 860-3980
> kwallis@blackberry.com
> BlackBerry Corporation
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ross Gardler [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 11:29 AM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
>
> Contacts in http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RippleProposal
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Parashuram N [mailto:panarasi@microsoft.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 11:27 AM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
>
> I would also be interested in keeping this project alive in github. I would also like to see if we can continue to keep the name - "Ripple".
> I plan to send a mail to trademarks@apache.org to confirm that Apache does not own the trademark - Ripple. If Apache does not, do we have contacts in blackberry that we could reach out to ?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ross Gardler [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 8:00 AM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
>
> I concur, you can certainly take the code under the Apache License and a different name (would need to change references in the code itself too).
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Christian Grobmeier<ma...@apache.org>
> Sent: 12/1/2015 7:44 AM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Trademark use after retirement
>
> Nothing would prevent you to do something like that.
> There are a few formal requirments, like also saying "$X is not related with Apache Ripple etc" anymore.
>
> Here is some guidance, but in general i think its all just saying clearly what it is and what not.
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fapache.org%2ffoundation%2fmarks%2f%23guidelines&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475a865408d2fa6656e7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=2Yyic0ID%2bdMwiGPHAquMqR1GJxw0FmN8XTULQXqovaw%3d
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 16:27, Raymond Camden wrote:
>> Oh thats cool. And I assume that if it ended up as Project X or some
>> such, we can say, "This project was formally known as Apache Ripple".
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> <gr...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > Actually it is possible to make some kind of references from the old
>> > project pages to the new home.
>> > Like in example:
>> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fincu
>> > bator.apache.org%2fprojects%2fzetacomponents.html&data=01%7c01%7cRos
>> > s.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475a865408d2fa6656e7%7c72f98
>> > 8bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=J257WMk2He7bewT9tH5zSyX07tHc5b
>> > ZZE%2bgZbLX%2fNYE%3d
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 12:55, Raymond Camden wrote:
>> >> So does anyone want to do this? I'd like to see Ripple up on GitHub
>> >> and I'd be happy to help manage it, but I frankly give two hoots
>> >> about the name itself. If there is someone who knows a contact at
>> >> Blackberry to ask, cool, otherwise, I say we just pick some random
>> >> new name and put it up on GitHub.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Ross Gardler
>> >> <Ro...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >> > As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
>> >> >
>> >> > If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
>> >> >
>> >> > The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked on elsewhere if you so desire.
>> >> >
>> >> > Ross
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> ===================================================================
>> >> ======== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
>> >>
>> >> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
>> >> Blog :
>> >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.raymondcamde
>> >> n.com&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475
>> >> a865408d2fa6656e7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=LD%2
>> >> f8FTwiGl0LiHzyKen7dx9tUc5V%2fF7YjoFdPgwdnCM%3d
>> >> Twitter: raymondcamden
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ======================================================================
>> ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
>>
>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
>> Blog :
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.raymondcamden.c
>> om&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475a86540
>> 8d2fa6656e7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=LD%2f8FTwiGl0
>> LiHzyKen7dx9tUc5V%2fF7YjoFdPgwdnCM%3d
>> Twitter: raymondcamden
--
===========================================================================
Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
Twitter: raymondcamden
RE: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>.
Once you confirm the status with Apache trademarks, let me know if you need support on the BlackBerry side.
Regards,
--
Ken Wallis
Senior Product Manager
Office: +1 (925) 931-6024
BlackBerry: (415) 860-3980
kwallis@blackberry.com
BlackBerry Corporation
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Gardler [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 11:29 AM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Contacts in http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RippleProposal
-----Original Message-----
From: Parashuram N [mailto:panarasi@microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 11:27 AM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
I would also be interested in keeping this project alive in github. I would also like to see if we can continue to keep the name - "Ripple".
I plan to send a mail to trademarks@apache.org to confirm that Apache does not own the trademark - Ripple. If Apache does not, do we have contacts in blackberry that we could reach out to ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Gardler [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 8:00 AM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
I concur, you can certainly take the code under the Apache License and a different name (would need to change references in the code itself too).
Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Christian Grobmeier<ma...@apache.org>
Sent: 12/1/2015 7:44 AM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Trademark use after retirement
Nothing would prevent you to do something like that.
There are a few formal requirments, like also saying "$X is not related with Apache Ripple etc" anymore.
Here is some guidance, but in general i think its all just saying clearly what it is and what not.
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fapache.org%2ffoundation%2fmarks%2f%23guidelines&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475a865408d2fa6656e7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=2Yyic0ID%2bdMwiGPHAquMqR1GJxw0FmN8XTULQXqovaw%3d
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 16:27, Raymond Camden wrote:
> Oh thats cool. And I assume that if it ended up as Project X or some
> such, we can say, "This project was formally known as Apache Ripple".
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Christian Grobmeier
> <gr...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Actually it is possible to make some kind of references from the old
> > project pages to the new home.
> > Like in example:
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fincu
> > bator.apache.org%2fprojects%2fzetacomponents.html&data=01%7c01%7cRos
> > s.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475a865408d2fa6656e7%7c72f98
> > 8bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=J257WMk2He7bewT9tH5zSyX07tHc5b
> > ZZE%2bgZbLX%2fNYE%3d
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 12:55, Raymond Camden wrote:
> >> So does anyone want to do this? I'd like to see Ripple up on GitHub
> >> and I'd be happy to help manage it, but I frankly give two hoots
> >> about the name itself. If there is someone who knows a contact at
> >> Blackberry to ask, cool, otherwise, I say we just pick some random
> >> new name and put it up on GitHub.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Ross Gardler
> >> <Ro...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> > As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
> >> >
> >> > If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
> >> >
> >> > The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked on elsewhere if you so desire.
> >> >
> >> > Ross
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> ===================================================================
> >> ======== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
> >>
> >> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> >> Blog :
> >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.raymondcamde
> >> n.com&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475
> >> a865408d2fa6656e7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=LD%2
> >> f8FTwiGl0LiHzyKen7dx9tUc5V%2fF7YjoFdPgwdnCM%3d
> >> Twitter: raymondcamden
>
>
>
> --
> ======================================================================
> ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> Blog :
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.raymondcamden.c
> om&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475a86540
> 8d2fa6656e7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=LD%2f8FTwiGl0
> LiHzyKen7dx9tUc5V%2fF7YjoFdPgwdnCM%3d
> Twitter: raymondcamden
RE: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Ross Gardler <Ro...@microsoft.com>.
Contacts in http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RippleProposal
-----Original Message-----
From: Parashuram N [mailto:panarasi@microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 11:27 AM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
I would also be interested in keeping this project alive in github. I would also like to see if we can continue to keep the name - "Ripple".
I plan to send a mail to trademarks@apache.org to confirm that Apache does not own the trademark - Ripple. If Apache does not, do we have contacts in blackberry that we could reach out to ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Gardler [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 8:00 AM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
I concur, you can certainly take the code under the Apache License and a different name (would need to change references in the code itself too).
Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Christian Grobmeier<ma...@apache.org>
Sent: 12/1/2015 7:44 AM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Trademark use after retirement
Nothing would prevent you to do something like that.
There are a few formal requirments, like also saying "$X is not related with Apache Ripple etc" anymore.
Here is some guidance, but in general i think its all just saying clearly what it is and what not.
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fapache.org%2ffoundation%2fmarks%2f%23guidelines&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475a865408d2fa6656e7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=2Yyic0ID%2bdMwiGPHAquMqR1GJxw0FmN8XTULQXqovaw%3d
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 16:27, Raymond Camden wrote:
> Oh thats cool. And I assume that if it ended up as Project X or some
> such, we can say, "This project was formally known as Apache Ripple".
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Christian Grobmeier
> <gr...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Actually it is possible to make some kind of references from the old
> > project pages to the new home.
> > Like in example:
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fincu
> > bator.apache.org%2fprojects%2fzetacomponents.html&data=01%7c01%7cRos
> > s.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475a865408d2fa6656e7%7c72f98
> > 8bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=J257WMk2He7bewT9tH5zSyX07tHc5b
> > ZZE%2bgZbLX%2fNYE%3d
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 12:55, Raymond Camden wrote:
> >> So does anyone want to do this? I'd like to see Ripple up on GitHub
> >> and I'd be happy to help manage it, but I frankly give two hoots
> >> about the name itself. If there is someone who knows a contact at
> >> Blackberry to ask, cool, otherwise, I say we just pick some random
> >> new name and put it up on GitHub.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Ross Gardler
> >> <Ro...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> > As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
> >> >
> >> > If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
> >> >
> >> > The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked on elsewhere if you so desire.
> >> >
> >> > Ross
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> ===================================================================
> >> ======== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
> >>
> >> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> >> Blog :
> >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.raymondcamde
> >> n.com&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475
> >> a865408d2fa6656e7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=LD%2
> >> f8FTwiGl0LiHzyKen7dx9tUc5V%2fF7YjoFdPgwdnCM%3d
> >> Twitter: raymondcamden
>
>
>
> --
> ======================================================================
> ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> Blog :
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.raymondcamden.c
> om&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475a86540
> 8d2fa6656e7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=LD%2f8FTwiGl0
> LiHzyKen7dx9tUc5V%2fF7YjoFdPgwdnCM%3d
> Twitter: raymondcamden
RE: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>.
I would also be interested in keeping this project alive in github. I would also like to see if we can continue to keep the name - "Ripple".
I plan to send a mail to trademarks@apache.org to confirm that Apache does not own the trademark - Ripple. If Apache does not, do we have contacts in blackberry that we could reach out to ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Gardler [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 8:00 AM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
I concur, you can certainly take the code under the Apache License and a different name (would need to change references in the code itself too).
Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Christian Grobmeier<ma...@apache.org>
Sent: 12/1/2015 7:44 AM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Trademark use after retirement
Nothing would prevent you to do something like that.
There are a few formal requirments, like also saying "$X is not related with Apache Ripple etc" anymore.
Here is some guidance, but in general i think its all just saying clearly what it is and what not.
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fapache.org%2ffoundation%2fmarks%2f%23guidelines&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475a865408d2fa6656e7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=2Yyic0ID%2bdMwiGPHAquMqR1GJxw0FmN8XTULQXqovaw%3d
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 16:27, Raymond Camden wrote:
> Oh thats cool. And I assume that if it ended up as Project X or some
> such, we can say, "This project was formally known as Apache Ripple".
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Christian Grobmeier
> <gr...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Actually it is possible to make some kind of references from the old
> > project pages to the new home.
> > Like in example:
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fincu
> > bator.apache.org%2fprojects%2fzetacomponents.html&data=01%7c01%7cRos
> > s.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475a865408d2fa6656e7%7c72f98
> > 8bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=J257WMk2He7bewT9tH5zSyX07tHc5b
> > ZZE%2bgZbLX%2fNYE%3d
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 12:55, Raymond Camden wrote:
> >> So does anyone want to do this? I'd like to see Ripple up on GitHub
> >> and I'd be happy to help manage it, but I frankly give two hoots
> >> about the name itself. If there is someone who knows a contact at
> >> Blackberry to ask, cool, otherwise, I say we just pick some random
> >> new name and put it up on GitHub.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Ross Gardler
> >> <Ro...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> > As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
> >> >
> >> > If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
> >> >
> >> > The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked on elsewhere if you so desire.
> >> >
> >> > Ross
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> ===================================================================
> >> ======== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
> >>
> >> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> >> Blog :
> >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.raymondcamde
> >> n.com&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475
> >> a865408d2fa6656e7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=LD%2
> >> f8FTwiGl0LiHzyKen7dx9tUc5V%2fF7YjoFdPgwdnCM%3d
> >> Twitter: raymondcamden
>
>
>
> --
> ======================================================================
> ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> Blog :
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.raymondcamden.c
> om&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475a86540
> 8d2fa6656e7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=LD%2f8FTwiGl0
> LiHzyKen7dx9tUc5V%2fF7YjoFdPgwdnCM%3d
> Twitter: raymondcamden
RE: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Ross Gardler <Ro...@microsoft.com>.
I concur, you can certainly take the code under the Apache License and a different name (would need to change references in the code itself too).
Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Christian Grobmeier<ma...@apache.org>
Sent: 12/1/2015 7:44 AM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Trademark use after retirement
Nothing would prevent you to do something like that.
There are a few formal requirments, like also saying "$X is not related
with Apache Ripple etc" anymore.
Here is some guidance, but in general i think its all just saying
clearly what it is and what not.
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fapache.org%2ffoundation%2fmarks%2f%23guidelines&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475a865408d2fa6656e7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=2Yyic0ID%2bdMwiGPHAquMqR1GJxw0FmN8XTULQXqovaw%3d
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 16:27, Raymond Camden wrote:
> Oh thats cool. And I assume that if it ended up as Project X or some
> such, we can say, "This project was formally known as Apache Ripple".
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Christian Grobmeier
> <gr...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Actually it is possible to make some kind of references from the old
> > project pages to the new home.
> > Like in example:
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fincubator.apache.org%2fprojects%2fzetacomponents.html&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475a865408d2fa6656e7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=J257WMk2He7bewT9tH5zSyX07tHc5bZZE%2bgZbLX%2fNYE%3d
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 12:55, Raymond Camden wrote:
> >> So does anyone want to do this? I'd like to see Ripple up on GitHub
> >> and I'd be happy to help manage it, but I frankly give two hoots about
> >> the name itself. If there is someone who knows a contact at Blackberry
> >> to ask, cool, otherwise, I say we just pick some random new name and
> >> put it up on GitHub.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Ross Gardler
> >> <Ro...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> > As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
> >> >
> >> > If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
> >> >
> >> > The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked on elsewhere if you so desire.
> >> >
> >> > Ross
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> ===========================================================================
> >> Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
> >>
> >> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> >> Blog : https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.raymondcamden.com&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475a865408d2fa6656e7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=LD%2f8FTwiGl0LiHzyKen7dx9tUc5V%2fF7YjoFdPgwdnCM%3d
> >> Twitter: raymondcamden
>
>
>
> --
> ===========================================================================
> Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> Blog : https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.raymondcamden.com&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cee0adee1d9a5475a865408d2fa6656e7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=LD%2f8FTwiGl0LiHzyKen7dx9tUc5V%2fF7YjoFdPgwdnCM%3d
> Twitter: raymondcamden
Re: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@apache.org>.
Nothing would prevent you to do something like that.
There are a few formal requirments, like also saying "$X is not related
with Apache Ripple etc" anymore.
Here is some guidance, but in general i think its all just saying
clearly what it is and what not.
http://apache.org/foundation/marks/#guidelines
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 16:27, Raymond Camden wrote:
> Oh thats cool. And I assume that if it ended up as Project X or some
> such, we can say, "This project was formally known as Apache Ripple".
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Christian Grobmeier
> <gr...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Actually it is possible to make some kind of references from the old
> > project pages to the new home.
> > Like in example:
> > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/zetacomponents.html
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 12:55, Raymond Camden wrote:
> >> So does anyone want to do this? I'd like to see Ripple up on GitHub
> >> and I'd be happy to help manage it, but I frankly give two hoots about
> >> the name itself. If there is someone who knows a contact at Blackberry
> >> to ask, cool, otherwise, I say we just pick some random new name and
> >> put it up on GitHub.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Ross Gardler
> >> <Ro...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> > As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
> >> >
> >> > If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
> >> >
> >> > The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked on elsewhere if you so desire.
> >> >
> >> > Ross
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> ===========================================================================
> >> Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
> >>
> >> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> >> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> >> Twitter: raymondcamden
>
>
>
> --
> ===========================================================================
> Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> Twitter: raymondcamden
Re: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
Oh thats cool. And I assume that if it ended up as Project X or some
such, we can say, "This project was formally known as Apache Ripple".
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Christian Grobmeier
<gr...@apache.org> wrote:
> Actually it is possible to make some kind of references from the old
> project pages to the new home.
> Like in example:
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/zetacomponents.html
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 12:55, Raymond Camden wrote:
>> So does anyone want to do this? I'd like to see Ripple up on GitHub
>> and I'd be happy to help manage it, but I frankly give two hoots about
>> the name itself. If there is someone who knows a contact at Blackberry
>> to ask, cool, otherwise, I say we just pick some random new name and
>> put it up on GitHub.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Ross Gardler
>> <Ro...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> > As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
>> >
>> > If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
>> >
>> > The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked on elsewhere if you so desire.
>> >
>> > Ross
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ===========================================================================
>> Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
>>
>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
>> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
>> Twitter: raymondcamden
--
===========================================================================
Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
Twitter: raymondcamden
Re: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@apache.org>.
Actually it is possible to make some kind of references from the old
project pages to the new home.
Like in example:
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/zetacomponents.html
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 12:55, Raymond Camden wrote:
> So does anyone want to do this? I'd like to see Ripple up on GitHub
> and I'd be happy to help manage it, but I frankly give two hoots about
> the name itself. If there is someone who knows a contact at Blackberry
> to ask, cool, otherwise, I say we just pick some random new name and
> put it up on GitHub.
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Ross Gardler
> <Ro...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> > As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
> >
> > If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
> >
> > The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked on elsewhere if you so desire.
> >
> > Ross
>
>
>
> --
> ===========================================================================
> Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> Twitter: raymondcamden
Re: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
So does anyone want to do this? I'd like to see Ripple up on GitHub
and I'd be happy to help manage it, but I frankly give two hoots about
the name itself. If there is someone who knows a contact at Blackberry
to ask, cool, otherwise, I say we just pick some random new name and
put it up on GitHub.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Ross Gardler
<Ro...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
>
> If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
>
> The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked on elsewhere if you so desire.
>
> Ross
--
===========================================================================
Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
Twitter: raymondcamden
Re: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Marvin Humphrey <ma...@rectangular.com>.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
> I'm also happy if the IPMC chooses to put a note on whatever archive
> the ASF hosts for the retired podling that points to the successor
> project.
After retirement, podling websites redirect to the incubation status
page. Here's Ripple's:
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/ripple
(Unlike retired TLPs that go into the Attic, the Incubator does not
preserve podling websites after munging with a "RETIRED" banner.)
There should be no problem adding pointers from that page to the
successor project.
Marvin Humphrey
Re: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
1) I say just do a simple Google Group.
2) I vote no - I'm getting tired of all the Slack orgs. ;) I do think
a channel on Cordova though would be appropriate.
3) I say start fresh. :)
On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 8:24 PM, Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I have created a new Org called ripple-emulator[1] and forked the Apache Repo [2]. I have also added the folks who said they wanted to be members in the organization. If you would like to be invited to the organization, please let me know and I can add you with your github name. I may have missed some folks from the previous emails, so if you have not yet received an invitation, please do send me your github id again.
>
> Some open questions
>
> 1. Should we have a mailing list / group ? If yes, where should that be ?
> 2. Should we simply create a slack channel on Cordova slack where we could discuss stuff, or should we create a new slack domain ?
> 3. What do we do about existing JIRA issues ? Should we import them to github, or should we start fresh ?
>
>
>
> [1] https://github.com/ripple-emulator
> [2] https://github.com/ripple-emulator/incubator-ripple
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ross Gardler [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 12:48 PM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
> Cc: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
> Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
>
> Yep you are free to fork the code. It's up to you who you add as committees. As you say the Apache mark should be removed.
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Parashuram N<ma...@microsoft.com>
> Sent: 12/21/2015 11:33 PM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>; trademarks@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>
> Cc: Ken Wallis<ma...@blackberry.com>
> Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> Thanks a lot for following up on the trademark. I think this message is good, and we should put it up on the new repository that we create.
>
> Apache folks, what should be the next steps on this ? We now have the trademark issue taken care of, and the new project can be in a new Github repo with this message.
> Should I go ahead and do the following
>
> 1. Fork the existing repo - git://git.apache.org/incubator-ripple.git (need a name for the new organization. Folks, how about using https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=github.com%2fripple-emulator&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cfe8fe993cc6a4658737d08d30a5f2e4a%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=T34wvVFo1EF7dwfk4wjEMtBK267RPzHHz%2bGBsdMr0WE%3d ? Note that ripple username is already taken) 2. Add folks who have expressed interest as owners 3. In the title, remove "Apache Ripple" and now call it "Ripple".
>
> I think we should keep the license as Apache License, so I guess we will not be changing the License file, or headers in the source code.
> Is there anything else we should be doing ?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Wallis [mailto:kwallis@blackberry.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:58 AM
> To: Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>
> Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
> Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
>
> I have received the following formal response from our legal/copyright team:
>
>
> "BlackBerry is not asserting any rights in RIPPLE and makes no representations or warranties with respect to the name as a trademark."
>
>
> The wording is specifically chosen, and I hope it will suffice for your needs.
>
> Please let me know if you have any further questions or needs.
>
> --
> Ken Wallis
> Senior Product Manager
> Office: +1 (925) 931-6024
> BlackBerry: (415) 860-3980
> kwallis@blackberry.com
> BlackBerry Corporation
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Parashuram N [mailto:panarasi@microsoft.com]
> Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 10:28 PM
> To: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
> Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
> Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
>
> Thank you Shane.
>
> Ken, Thank you for volunteering to help with the trademark for using the name "Ripple". Is there a way we can be granted a formal permission from Blackberry to use the name "Ripple" ?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shane Curcuru [mailto:asf@shanecurcuru.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 12:24 PM
> To: trademarks@apache.org; dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Trademark use after retirement
>
> (Note mixed private/public lists)
>
> Please treat Ripple as an Apache trademark until the IPMC formally retires the podling - i.e. until that vote is completed, meaning that organizationally the ASF has recognized the podling is retiring.
>
> Given that there's been ample discussion here within the Ripple community at Apache, and that some of the members here wish to continue development elsewhere using the name, the ASF will have no objection to future developers calling software derived from this project "Ripple".
> Don't call it "Apache" obviously, and we would appreciate a footer "based on the retired Apache Ripple podling" or something similar. I'm also happy if the IPMC chooses to put a note on whatever archive the ASF hosts for the retired podling that points to the successor project.
>
> It looks like Ken elsethread can help confirm that RIM/Blackberry won't have any problems with this either, so hopefully you'll be all set!
>
> It's important for the ASF to defend all Apache project and podling trademarks to ensure that we maintain our reputation for independently governed projects. This is especially important in some other kinds of cases, where other companies may try to manipulate our podlings or projects unfairly. But in cases where the community tries, but just doesn't succeed at incubation, the ASF has no wishes to get in the way of the community trying their luck elsewhere.
>
> Good luck, by the way!
>
> - Shane
>
>
> Parashuram N wrote on 12/1/15 2:29 PM:
> ...
>> -----Original Message----- From: Ross Gardler
>> [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015
>> 10:14 PM To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org Subject: Trademark use
>> after retirement
>>
>> As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be
>> retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the
>> status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I
>> responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need
>> permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of
>> the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred
>> to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
>>
>> If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to
>> confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that
>> the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the
>> trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should
>> anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
>>
>> The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked
>> on elsewhere if you so desire.
>>
>> Ross
>>
>
--
===========================================================================
Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
Twitter: raymondcamden
RE: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Ross Gardler <Ro...@microsoft.com>.
Best to clone. Thus is a new project. You should ensure people know who owns it and this where to go for the canonical source.
Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Tim Barham<ma...@microsoft.com>
Sent: 1/5/2016 3:10 AM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Some comments:
* The repo shouldn't be called "incubator-ripple", since "incubator" was specific to its Apache status.
* Should we clone the Apache repo rather than forking it? Is there any reason to have it tied back to the Apache repo in any way?
* I'm hoping you were planning on adding me :)
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Parashuram N [mailto:panarasi@microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 12:25 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Cc: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Hi folks,
I have created a new Org called ripple-emulator[1] and forked the Apache Repo [2]. I have also added the folks who said they wanted to be members in the organization. If you would like to be invited to the organization, please let me know and I can add you with your github name. I may have missed some folks from the previous emails, so if you have not yet received an invitation, please do send me your github id again.
Some open questions
1. Should we have a mailing list / group ? If yes, where should that be ?
2. Should we simply create a slack channel on Cordova slack where we could discuss stuff, or should we create a new slack domain ?
3. What do we do about existing JIRA issues ? Should we import them to github, or should we start fresh ?
[1] https://github.com/ripple-emulator
[2] https://github.com/ripple-emulator/incubator-ripple
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Gardler [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 12:48 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Cc: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Yep you are free to fork the code. It's up to you who you add as committees. As you say the Apache mark should be removed.
Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Parashuram N<ma...@microsoft.com>
Sent: 12/21/2015 11:33 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>; trademarks@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>
Cc: Ken Wallis<ma...@blackberry.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Hi Ken,
Thanks a lot for following up on the trademark. I think this message is good, and we should put it up on the new repository that we create.
Apache folks, what should be the next steps on this ? We now have the trademark issue taken care of, and the new project can be in a new Github repo with this message.
Should I go ahead and do the following
1. Fork the existing repo - git://git.apache.org/incubator-ripple.git (need a name for the new organization. Folks, how about using https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=github.com%2fripple-emulator&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cfe8fe993cc6a4658737d08d30a5f2e4a%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=T34wvVFo1EF7dwfk4wjEMtBK267RPzHHz%2bGBsdMr0WE%3d ? Note that ripple username is already taken) 2. Add folks who have expressed interest as owners 3. In the title, remove "Apache Ripple" and now call it "Ripple".
I think we should keep the license as Apache License, so I guess we will not be changing the License file, or headers in the source code.
Is there anything else we should be doing ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Wallis [mailto:kwallis@blackberry.com]
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:58 AM
To: Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>
Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
I have received the following formal response from our legal/copyright team:
"BlackBerry is not asserting any rights in RIPPLE and makes no representations or warranties with respect to the name as a trademark."
The wording is specifically chosen, and I hope it will suffice for your needs.
Please let me know if you have any further questions or needs.
--
Ken Wallis
Senior Product Manager
Office: +1 (925) 931-6024
BlackBerry: (415) 860-3980
kwallis@blackberry.com
BlackBerry Corporation
-----Original Message-----
From: Parashuram N [mailto:panarasi@microsoft.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 10:28 PM
To: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Thank you Shane.
Ken, Thank you for volunteering to help with the trademark for using the name "Ripple". Is there a way we can be granted a formal permission from Blackberry to use the name "Ripple" ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Curcuru [mailto:asf@shanecurcuru.org]
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 12:24 PM
To: trademarks@apache.org; dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trademark use after retirement
(Note mixed private/public lists)
Please treat Ripple as an Apache trademark until the IPMC formally retires the podling - i.e. until that vote is completed, meaning that organizationally the ASF has recognized the podling is retiring.
Given that there's been ample discussion here within the Ripple community at Apache, and that some of the members here wish to continue development elsewhere using the name, the ASF will have no objection to future developers calling software derived from this project "Ripple".
Don't call it "Apache" obviously, and we would appreciate a footer "based on the retired Apache Ripple podling" or something similar. I'm also happy if the IPMC chooses to put a note on whatever archive the ASF hosts for the retired podling that points to the successor project.
It looks like Ken elsethread can help confirm that RIM/Blackberry won't have any problems with this either, so hopefully you'll be all set!
It's important for the ASF to defend all Apache project and podling trademarks to ensure that we maintain our reputation for independently governed projects. This is especially important in some other kinds of cases, where other companies may try to manipulate our podlings or projects unfairly. But in cases where the community tries, but just doesn't succeed at incubation, the ASF has no wishes to get in the way of the community trying their luck elsewhere.
Good luck, by the way!
- Shane
Parashuram N wrote on 12/1/15 2:29 PM:
...
> -----Original Message----- From: Ross Gardler
> [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015
> 10:14 PM To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org Subject: Trademark use
> after retirement
>
> As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be
> retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the
> status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I
> responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need
> permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of
> the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred
> to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
>
> If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to
> confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that
> the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the
> trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should
> anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
>
> The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked
> on elsewhere if you so desire.
>
> Ross
>
RE: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>.
The repo is now called "Ripple". The reason I wanted to tie to back to the Apache repo was to ensure that people know where it originated from. I am hoping that the old repo will have a redirection notice.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Barham [mailto:Tim.Barham@microsoft.com]
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 7:10 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Some comments:
* The repo shouldn't be called "incubator-ripple", since "incubator" was specific to its Apache status.
* Should we clone the Apache repo rather than forking it? Is there any reason to have it tied back to the Apache repo in any way?
* I'm hoping you were planning on adding me :)
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Parashuram N [mailto:panarasi@microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 12:25 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Cc: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Hi folks,
I have created a new Org called ripple-emulator[1] and forked the Apache Repo [2]. I have also added the folks who said they wanted to be members in the organization. If you would like to be invited to the organization, please let me know and I can add you with your github name. I may have missed some folks from the previous emails, so if you have not yet received an invitation, please do send me your github id again.
Some open questions
1. Should we have a mailing list / group ? If yes, where should that be ?
2. Should we simply create a slack channel on Cordova slack where we could discuss stuff, or should we create a new slack domain ?
3. What do we do about existing JIRA issues ? Should we import them to github, or should we start fresh ?
[1] https://github.com/ripple-emulator
[2] https://github.com/ripple-emulator/incubator-ripple
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Gardler [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 12:48 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Cc: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Yep you are free to fork the code. It's up to you who you add as committees. As you say the Apache mark should be removed.
Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Parashuram N<ma...@microsoft.com>
Sent: 12/21/2015 11:33 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>; trademarks@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>
Cc: Ken Wallis<ma...@blackberry.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Hi Ken,
Thanks a lot for following up on the trademark. I think this message is good, and we should put it up on the new repository that we create.
Apache folks, what should be the next steps on this ? We now have the trademark issue taken care of, and the new project can be in a new Github repo with this message.
Should I go ahead and do the following
1. Fork the existing repo - git://git.apache.org/incubator-ripple.git (need a name for the new organization. Folks, how about using https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=github.com%2fripple-emulator&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cfe8fe993cc6a4658737d08d30a5f2e4a%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=T34wvVFo1EF7dwfk4wjEMtBK267RPzHHz%2bGBsdMr0WE%3d ? Note that ripple username is already taken) 2. Add folks who have expressed interest as owners 3. In the title, remove "Apache Ripple" and now call it "Ripple".
I think we should keep the license as Apache License, so I guess we will not be changing the License file, or headers in the source code.
Is there anything else we should be doing ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Wallis [mailto:kwallis@blackberry.com]
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:58 AM
To: Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>
Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
I have received the following formal response from our legal/copyright team:
"BlackBerry is not asserting any rights in RIPPLE and makes no representations or warranties with respect to the name as a trademark."
The wording is specifically chosen, and I hope it will suffice for your needs.
Please let me know if you have any further questions or needs.
--
Ken Wallis
Senior Product Manager
Office: +1 (925) 931-6024
BlackBerry: (415) 860-3980
kwallis@blackberry.com
BlackBerry Corporation
-----Original Message-----
From: Parashuram N [mailto:panarasi@microsoft.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 10:28 PM
To: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Thank you Shane.
Ken, Thank you for volunteering to help with the trademark for using the name "Ripple". Is there a way we can be granted a formal permission from Blackberry to use the name "Ripple" ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Curcuru [mailto:asf@shanecurcuru.org]
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 12:24 PM
To: trademarks@apache.org; dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trademark use after retirement
(Note mixed private/public lists)
Please treat Ripple as an Apache trademark until the IPMC formally retires the podling - i.e. until that vote is completed, meaning that organizationally the ASF has recognized the podling is retiring.
Given that there's been ample discussion here within the Ripple community at Apache, and that some of the members here wish to continue development elsewhere using the name, the ASF will have no objection to future developers calling software derived from this project "Ripple".
Don't call it "Apache" obviously, and we would appreciate a footer "based on the retired Apache Ripple podling" or something similar. I'm also happy if the IPMC chooses to put a note on whatever archive the ASF hosts for the retired podling that points to the successor project.
It looks like Ken elsethread can help confirm that RIM/Blackberry won't have any problems with this either, so hopefully you'll be all set!
It's important for the ASF to defend all Apache project and podling trademarks to ensure that we maintain our reputation for independently governed projects. This is especially important in some other kinds of cases, where other companies may try to manipulate our podlings or projects unfairly. But in cases where the community tries, but just doesn't succeed at incubation, the ASF has no wishes to get in the way of the community trying their luck elsewhere.
Good luck, by the way!
- Shane
Parashuram N wrote on 12/1/15 2:29 PM:
...
> -----Original Message----- From: Ross Gardler
> [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015
> 10:14 PM To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org Subject: Trademark use
> after retirement
>
> As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be
> retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the
> status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I
> responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need
> permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of
> the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred
> to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
>
> If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to
> confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that
> the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the
> trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should
> anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
>
> The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked
> on elsewhere if you so desire.
>
> Ross
>
RE: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Tim Barham <Ti...@microsoft.com>.
Some comments:
* The repo shouldn't be called "incubator-ripple", since "incubator" was specific to its Apache status.
* Should we clone the Apache repo rather than forking it? Is there any reason to have it tied back to the Apache repo in any way?
* I'm hoping you were planning on adding me :)
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Parashuram N [mailto:panarasi@microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 12:25 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Cc: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Hi folks,
I have created a new Org called ripple-emulator[1] and forked the Apache Repo [2]. I have also added the folks who said they wanted to be members in the organization. If you would like to be invited to the organization, please let me know and I can add you with your github name. I may have missed some folks from the previous emails, so if you have not yet received an invitation, please do send me your github id again.
Some open questions
1. Should we have a mailing list / group ? If yes, where should that be ?
2. Should we simply create a slack channel on Cordova slack where we could discuss stuff, or should we create a new slack domain ?
3. What do we do about existing JIRA issues ? Should we import them to github, or should we start fresh ?
[1] https://github.com/ripple-emulator
[2] https://github.com/ripple-emulator/incubator-ripple
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Gardler [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 12:48 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Cc: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Yep you are free to fork the code. It's up to you who you add as committees. As you say the Apache mark should be removed.
Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Parashuram N<ma...@microsoft.com>
Sent: 12/21/2015 11:33 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>; trademarks@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>
Cc: Ken Wallis<ma...@blackberry.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Hi Ken,
Thanks a lot for following up on the trademark. I think this message is good, and we should put it up on the new repository that we create.
Apache folks, what should be the next steps on this ? We now have the trademark issue taken care of, and the new project can be in a new Github repo with this message.
Should I go ahead and do the following
1. Fork the existing repo - git://git.apache.org/incubator-ripple.git (need a name for the new organization. Folks, how about using https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=github.com%2fripple-emulator&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cfe8fe993cc6a4658737d08d30a5f2e4a%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=T34wvVFo1EF7dwfk4wjEMtBK267RPzHHz%2bGBsdMr0WE%3d ? Note that ripple username is already taken) 2. Add folks who have expressed interest as owners 3. In the title, remove "Apache Ripple" and now call it "Ripple".
I think we should keep the license as Apache License, so I guess we will not be changing the License file, or headers in the source code.
Is there anything else we should be doing ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Wallis [mailto:kwallis@blackberry.com]
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:58 AM
To: Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>
Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
I have received the following formal response from our legal/copyright team:
"BlackBerry is not asserting any rights in RIPPLE and makes no representations or warranties with respect to the name as a trademark."
The wording is specifically chosen, and I hope it will suffice for your needs.
Please let me know if you have any further questions or needs.
--
Ken Wallis
Senior Product Manager
Office: +1 (925) 931-6024
BlackBerry: (415) 860-3980
kwallis@blackberry.com
BlackBerry Corporation
-----Original Message-----
From: Parashuram N [mailto:panarasi@microsoft.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 10:28 PM
To: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Thank you Shane.
Ken, Thank you for volunteering to help with the trademark for using the name "Ripple". Is there a way we can be granted a formal permission from Blackberry to use the name "Ripple" ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Curcuru [mailto:asf@shanecurcuru.org]
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 12:24 PM
To: trademarks@apache.org; dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trademark use after retirement
(Note mixed private/public lists)
Please treat Ripple as an Apache trademark until the IPMC formally retires the podling - i.e. until that vote is completed, meaning that organizationally the ASF has recognized the podling is retiring.
Given that there's been ample discussion here within the Ripple community at Apache, and that some of the members here wish to continue development elsewhere using the name, the ASF will have no objection to future developers calling software derived from this project "Ripple".
Don't call it "Apache" obviously, and we would appreciate a footer "based on the retired Apache Ripple podling" or something similar. I'm also happy if the IPMC chooses to put a note on whatever archive the ASF hosts for the retired podling that points to the successor project.
It looks like Ken elsethread can help confirm that RIM/Blackberry won't have any problems with this either, so hopefully you'll be all set!
It's important for the ASF to defend all Apache project and podling trademarks to ensure that we maintain our reputation for independently governed projects. This is especially important in some other kinds of cases, where other companies may try to manipulate our podlings or projects unfairly. But in cases where the community tries, but just doesn't succeed at incubation, the ASF has no wishes to get in the way of the community trying their luck elsewhere.
Good luck, by the way!
- Shane
Parashuram N wrote on 12/1/15 2:29 PM:
...
> -----Original Message----- From: Ross Gardler
> [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015
> 10:14 PM To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org Subject: Trademark use
> after retirement
>
> As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be
> retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the
> status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I
> responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need
> permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of
> the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred
> to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
>
> If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to
> confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that
> the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the
> trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should
> anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
>
> The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked
> on elsewhere if you so desire.
>
> Ross
>
RE: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>.
Hi folks,
I have created a new Org called ripple-emulator[1] and forked the Apache Repo [2]. I have also added the folks who said they wanted to be members in the organization. If you would like to be invited to the organization, please let me know and I can add you with your github name. I may have missed some folks from the previous emails, so if you have not yet received an invitation, please do send me your github id again.
Some open questions
1. Should we have a mailing list / group ? If yes, where should that be ?
2. Should we simply create a slack channel on Cordova slack where we could discuss stuff, or should we create a new slack domain ?
3. What do we do about existing JIRA issues ? Should we import them to github, or should we start fresh ?
[1] https://github.com/ripple-emulator
[2] https://github.com/ripple-emulator/incubator-ripple
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Gardler [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 12:48 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Cc: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Yep you are free to fork the code. It's up to you who you add as committees. As you say the Apache mark should be removed.
Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Parashuram N<ma...@microsoft.com>
Sent: 12/21/2015 11:33 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>; trademarks@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>
Cc: Ken Wallis<ma...@blackberry.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Hi Ken,
Thanks a lot for following up on the trademark. I think this message is good, and we should put it up on the new repository that we create.
Apache folks, what should be the next steps on this ? We now have the trademark issue taken care of, and the new project can be in a new Github repo with this message.
Should I go ahead and do the following
1. Fork the existing repo - git://git.apache.org/incubator-ripple.git (need a name for the new organization. Folks, how about using https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=github.com%2fripple-emulator&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cfe8fe993cc6a4658737d08d30a5f2e4a%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=T34wvVFo1EF7dwfk4wjEMtBK267RPzHHz%2bGBsdMr0WE%3d ? Note that ripple username is already taken) 2. Add folks who have expressed interest as owners 3. In the title, remove "Apache Ripple" and now call it "Ripple".
I think we should keep the license as Apache License, so I guess we will not be changing the License file, or headers in the source code.
Is there anything else we should be doing ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Wallis [mailto:kwallis@blackberry.com]
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:58 AM
To: Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>
Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
I have received the following formal response from our legal/copyright team:
"BlackBerry is not asserting any rights in RIPPLE and makes no representations or warranties with respect to the name as a trademark."
The wording is specifically chosen, and I hope it will suffice for your needs.
Please let me know if you have any further questions or needs.
--
Ken Wallis
Senior Product Manager
Office: +1 (925) 931-6024
BlackBerry: (415) 860-3980
kwallis@blackberry.com
BlackBerry Corporation
-----Original Message-----
From: Parashuram N [mailto:panarasi@microsoft.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 10:28 PM
To: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Thank you Shane.
Ken, Thank you for volunteering to help with the trademark for using the name "Ripple". Is there a way we can be granted a formal permission from Blackberry to use the name "Ripple" ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Curcuru [mailto:asf@shanecurcuru.org]
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 12:24 PM
To: trademarks@apache.org; dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trademark use after retirement
(Note mixed private/public lists)
Please treat Ripple as an Apache trademark until the IPMC formally retires the podling - i.e. until that vote is completed, meaning that organizationally the ASF has recognized the podling is retiring.
Given that there's been ample discussion here within the Ripple community at Apache, and that some of the members here wish to continue development elsewhere using the name, the ASF will have no objection to future developers calling software derived from this project "Ripple".
Don't call it "Apache" obviously, and we would appreciate a footer "based on the retired Apache Ripple podling" or something similar. I'm also happy if the IPMC chooses to put a note on whatever archive the ASF hosts for the retired podling that points to the successor project.
It looks like Ken elsethread can help confirm that RIM/Blackberry won't have any problems with this either, so hopefully you'll be all set!
It's important for the ASF to defend all Apache project and podling trademarks to ensure that we maintain our reputation for independently governed projects. This is especially important in some other kinds of cases, where other companies may try to manipulate our podlings or projects unfairly. But in cases where the community tries, but just doesn't succeed at incubation, the ASF has no wishes to get in the way of the community trying their luck elsewhere.
Good luck, by the way!
- Shane
Parashuram N wrote on 12/1/15 2:29 PM:
...
> -----Original Message----- From: Ross Gardler
> [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015
> 10:14 PM To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org Subject: Trademark use
> after retirement
>
> As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be
> retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the
> status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I
> responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need
> permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of
> the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred
> to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
>
> If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to
> confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that
> the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the
> trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should
> anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
>
> The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked
> on elsewhere if you so desire.
>
> Ross
>
RE: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Ross Gardler <Ro...@microsoft.com>.
Yep you are free to fork the code. It's up to you who you add as committees. As you say the Apache mark should be removed.
Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Parashuram N<ma...@microsoft.com>
Sent: 12/21/2015 11:33 PM
To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<ma...@ripple.incubator.apache.org>; trademarks@apache.org<ma...@apache.org>
Cc: Ken Wallis<ma...@blackberry.com>
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Hi Ken,
Thanks a lot for following up on the trademark. I think this message is good, and we should put it up on the new repository that we create.
Apache folks, what should be the next steps on this ? We now have the trademark issue taken care of, and the new project can be in a new Github repo with this message.
Should I go ahead and do the following
1. Fork the existing repo - git://git.apache.org/incubator-ripple.git (need a name for the new organization. Folks, how about using https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=github.com%2fripple-emulator&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cfe8fe993cc6a4658737d08d30a5f2e4a%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=T34wvVFo1EF7dwfk4wjEMtBK267RPzHHz%2bGBsdMr0WE%3d ? Note that ripple username is already taken)
2. Add folks who have expressed interest as owners
3. In the title, remove "Apache Ripple" and now call it "Ripple".
I think we should keep the license as Apache License, so I guess we will not be changing the License file, or headers in the source code.
Is there anything else we should be doing ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Wallis [mailto:kwallis@blackberry.com]
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:58 AM
To: Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>
Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
I have received the following formal response from our legal/copyright team:
"BlackBerry is not asserting any rights in RIPPLE and makes no representations or warranties with respect to the name as a trademark."
The wording is specifically chosen, and I hope it will suffice for your needs.
Please let me know if you have any further questions or needs.
--
Ken Wallis
Senior Product Manager
Office: +1 (925) 931-6024
BlackBerry: (415) 860-3980
kwallis@blackberry.com
BlackBerry Corporation
-----Original Message-----
From: Parashuram N [mailto:panarasi@microsoft.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 10:28 PM
To: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Thank you Shane.
Ken, Thank you for volunteering to help with the trademark for using the name "Ripple". Is there a way we can be granted a formal permission from Blackberry to use the name "Ripple" ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Curcuru [mailto:asf@shanecurcuru.org]
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 12:24 PM
To: trademarks@apache.org; dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trademark use after retirement
(Note mixed private/public lists)
Please treat Ripple as an Apache trademark until the IPMC formally retires the podling - i.e. until that vote is completed, meaning that organizationally the ASF has recognized the podling is retiring.
Given that there's been ample discussion here within the Ripple community at Apache, and that some of the members here wish to continue development elsewhere using the name, the ASF will have no objection to future developers calling software derived from this project "Ripple".
Don't call it "Apache" obviously, and we would appreciate a footer "based on the retired Apache Ripple podling" or something similar. I'm also happy if the IPMC chooses to put a note on whatever archive the ASF hosts for the retired podling that points to the successor project.
It looks like Ken elsethread can help confirm that RIM/Blackberry won't have any problems with this either, so hopefully you'll be all set!
It's important for the ASF to defend all Apache project and podling trademarks to ensure that we maintain our reputation for independently governed projects. This is especially important in some other kinds of cases, where other companies may try to manipulate our podlings or projects unfairly. But in cases where the community tries, but just doesn't succeed at incubation, the ASF has no wishes to get in the way of the community trying their luck elsewhere.
Good luck, by the way!
- Shane
Parashuram N wrote on 12/1/15 2:29 PM:
...
> -----Original Message----- From: Ross Gardler
> [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015
> 10:14 PM To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org Subject: Trademark use
> after retirement
>
> As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be
> retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the
> status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I
> responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need
> permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of
> the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred
> to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
>
> If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to
> confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that
> the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the
> trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should
> anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
>
> The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked
> on elsewhere if you so desire.
>
> Ross
>
RE: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>.
Hi Ken,
Thanks a lot for following up on the trademark. I think this message is good, and we should put it up on the new repository that we create.
Apache folks, what should be the next steps on this ? We now have the trademark issue taken care of, and the new project can be in a new Github repo with this message.
Should I go ahead and do the following
1. Fork the existing repo - git://git.apache.org/incubator-ripple.git (need a name for the new organization. Folks, how about using github.com/ripple-emulator ? Note that ripple username is already taken)
2. Add folks who have expressed interest as owners
3. In the title, remove "Apache Ripple" and now call it "Ripple".
I think we should keep the license as Apache License, so I guess we will not be changing the License file, or headers in the source code.
Is there anything else we should be doing ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Wallis [mailto:kwallis@blackberry.com]
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:58 AM
To: Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>
Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
I have received the following formal response from our legal/copyright team:
"BlackBerry is not asserting any rights in RIPPLE and makes no representations or warranties with respect to the name as a trademark."
The wording is specifically chosen, and I hope it will suffice for your needs.
Please let me know if you have any further questions or needs.
--
Ken Wallis
Senior Product Manager
Office: +1 (925) 931-6024
BlackBerry: (415) 860-3980
kwallis@blackberry.com
BlackBerry Corporation
-----Original Message-----
From: Parashuram N [mailto:panarasi@microsoft.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 10:28 PM
To: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Thank you Shane.
Ken, Thank you for volunteering to help with the trademark for using the name "Ripple". Is there a way we can be granted a formal permission from Blackberry to use the name "Ripple" ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Curcuru [mailto:asf@shanecurcuru.org]
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 12:24 PM
To: trademarks@apache.org; dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trademark use after retirement
(Note mixed private/public lists)
Please treat Ripple as an Apache trademark until the IPMC formally retires the podling - i.e. until that vote is completed, meaning that organizationally the ASF has recognized the podling is retiring.
Given that there's been ample discussion here within the Ripple community at Apache, and that some of the members here wish to continue development elsewhere using the name, the ASF will have no objection to future developers calling software derived from this project "Ripple".
Don't call it "Apache" obviously, and we would appreciate a footer "based on the retired Apache Ripple podling" or something similar. I'm also happy if the IPMC chooses to put a note on whatever archive the ASF hosts for the retired podling that points to the successor project.
It looks like Ken elsethread can help confirm that RIM/Blackberry won't have any problems with this either, so hopefully you'll be all set!
It's important for the ASF to defend all Apache project and podling trademarks to ensure that we maintain our reputation for independently governed projects. This is especially important in some other kinds of cases, where other companies may try to manipulate our podlings or projects unfairly. But in cases where the community tries, but just doesn't succeed at incubation, the ASF has no wishes to get in the way of the community trying their luck elsewhere.
Good luck, by the way!
- Shane
Parashuram N wrote on 12/1/15 2:29 PM:
...
> -----Original Message----- From: Ross Gardler
> [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015
> 10:14 PM To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org Subject: Trademark use
> after retirement
>
> As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be
> retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the
> status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I
> responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need
> permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of
> the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred
> to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
>
> If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to
> confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that
> the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the
> trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should
> anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
>
> The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked
> on elsewhere if you so desire.
>
> Ross
>
RE: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>.
I have received the following formal response from our legal/copyright team:
"BlackBerry is not asserting any rights in RIPPLE and makes no representations or warranties with respect to the name as a trademark."
The wording is specifically chosen, and I hope it will suffice for your needs.
Please let me know if you have any further questions or needs.
--
Ken Wallis
Senior Product Manager
Office: +1 (925) 931-6024
BlackBerry: (415) 860-3980
kwallis@blackberry.com
BlackBerry Corporation
-----Original Message-----
From: Parashuram N [mailto:panarasi@microsoft.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 10:28 PM
To: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Thank you Shane.
Ken, Thank you for volunteering to help with the trademark for using the name "Ripple". Is there a way we can be granted a formal permission from Blackberry to use the name "Ripple" ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Curcuru [mailto:asf@shanecurcuru.org]
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 12:24 PM
To: trademarks@apache.org; dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trademark use after retirement
(Note mixed private/public lists)
Please treat Ripple as an Apache trademark until the IPMC formally retires the podling - i.e. until that vote is completed, meaning that organizationally the ASF has recognized the podling is retiring.
Given that there's been ample discussion here within the Ripple community at Apache, and that some of the members here wish to continue development elsewhere using the name, the ASF will have no objection to future developers calling software derived from this project "Ripple".
Don't call it "Apache" obviously, and we would appreciate a footer "based on the retired Apache Ripple podling" or something similar. I'm also happy if the IPMC chooses to put a note on whatever archive the ASF hosts for the retired podling that points to the successor project.
It looks like Ken elsethread can help confirm that RIM/Blackberry won't have any problems with this either, so hopefully you'll be all set!
It's important for the ASF to defend all Apache project and podling trademarks to ensure that we maintain our reputation for independently governed projects. This is especially important in some other kinds of cases, where other companies may try to manipulate our podlings or projects unfairly. But in cases where the community tries, but just doesn't succeed at incubation, the ASF has no wishes to get in the way of the community trying their luck elsewhere.
Good luck, by the way!
- Shane
Parashuram N wrote on 12/1/15 2:29 PM:
...
> -----Original Message----- From: Ross Gardler
> [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015
> 10:14 PM To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org Subject: Trademark use
> after retirement
>
> As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be
> retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the
> status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I
> responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need
> permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of
> the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred
> to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
>
> If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to
> confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that
> the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the
> trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should
> anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
>
> The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked
> on elsewhere if you so desire.
>
> Ross
>
RE: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>.
Looking for the right people to contact now. Will let you know.
Thanks.
--
Ken Wallis
Senior Product Manager
Office: +1 (925) 931-6024
BlackBerry: (415) 860-3980
kwallis@blackberry.com
BlackBerry Corporation
-----Original Message-----
From: Parashuram N [mailto:panarasi@microsoft.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 10:28 PM
To: Ken Wallis <kw...@blackberry.com>
Cc: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org; trademarks@apache.org
Subject: RE: Trademark use after retirement
Thank you Shane.
Ken, Thank you for volunteering to help with the trademark for using the name "Ripple". Is there a way we can be granted a formal permission from Blackberry to use the name "Ripple" ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Curcuru [mailto:asf@shanecurcuru.org]
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 12:24 PM
To: trademarks@apache.org; dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trademark use after retirement
(Note mixed private/public lists)
Please treat Ripple as an Apache trademark until the IPMC formally retires the podling - i.e. until that vote is completed, meaning that organizationally the ASF has recognized the podling is retiring.
Given that there's been ample discussion here within the Ripple community at Apache, and that some of the members here wish to continue development elsewhere using the name, the ASF will have no objection to future developers calling software derived from this project "Ripple".
Don't call it "Apache" obviously, and we would appreciate a footer "based on the retired Apache Ripple podling" or something similar. I'm also happy if the IPMC chooses to put a note on whatever archive the ASF hosts for the retired podling that points to the successor project.
It looks like Ken elsethread can help confirm that RIM/Blackberry won't have any problems with this either, so hopefully you'll be all set!
It's important for the ASF to defend all Apache project and podling trademarks to ensure that we maintain our reputation for independently governed projects. This is especially important in some other kinds of cases, where other companies may try to manipulate our podlings or projects unfairly. But in cases where the community tries, but just doesn't succeed at incubation, the ASF has no wishes to get in the way of the community trying their luck elsewhere.
Good luck, by the way!
- Shane
Parashuram N wrote on 12/1/15 2:29 PM:
...
> -----Original Message----- From: Ross Gardler
> [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015
> 10:14 PM To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org Subject: Trademark use
> after retirement
>
> As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be
> retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the
> status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I
> responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need
> permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of
> the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred
> to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
>
> If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to
> confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that
> the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the
> trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should
> anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
>
> The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked
> on elsewhere if you so desire.
>
> Ross
>
RE: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Parashuram N <pa...@microsoft.com>.
Thank you Shane.
Ken, Thank you for volunteering to help with the trademark for using the name "Ripple". Is there a way we can be granted a formal permission from Blackberry to use the name "Ripple" ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Curcuru [mailto:asf@shanecurcuru.org]
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 12:24 PM
To: trademarks@apache.org; dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trademark use after retirement
(Note mixed private/public lists)
Please treat Ripple as an Apache trademark until the IPMC formally retires the podling - i.e. until that vote is completed, meaning that organizationally the ASF has recognized the podling is retiring.
Given that there's been ample discussion here within the Ripple community at Apache, and that some of the members here wish to continue development elsewhere using the name, the ASF will have no objection to future developers calling software derived from this project "Ripple".
Don't call it "Apache" obviously, and we would appreciate a footer "based on the retired Apache Ripple podling" or something similar. I'm also happy if the IPMC chooses to put a note on whatever archive the ASF hosts for the retired podling that points to the successor project.
It looks like Ken elsethread can help confirm that RIM/Blackberry won't have any problems with this either, so hopefully you'll be all set!
It's important for the ASF to defend all Apache project and podling trademarks to ensure that we maintain our reputation for independently governed projects. This is especially important in some other kinds of cases, where other companies may try to manipulate our podlings or projects unfairly. But in cases where the community tries, but just doesn't succeed at incubation, the ASF has no wishes to get in the way of the community trying their luck elsewhere.
Good luck, by the way!
- Shane
Parashuram N wrote on 12/1/15 2:29 PM:
...
> -----Original Message----- From: Ross Gardler
> [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015
> 10:14 PM To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org Subject: Trademark use
> after retirement
>
> As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be
> retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the
> status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I
> responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need
> permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation of
> the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been transferred
> to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the usual case).
>
> If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to
> confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that
> the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the
> trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should
> anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
>
> The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and worked
> on elsewhere if you so desire.
>
> Ross
>
Re: Trademark use after retirement
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
(Note mixed private/public lists)
Please treat Ripple as an Apache trademark until the IPMC formally
retires the podling - i.e. until that vote is completed, meaning that
organizationally the ASF has recognized the podling is retiring.
Given that there's been ample discussion here within the Ripple
community at Apache, and that some of the members here wish to continue
development elsewhere using the name, the ASF will have no objection to
future developers calling software derived from this project "Ripple".
Don't call it "Apache" obviously, and we would appreciate a footer
"based on the retired Apache Ripple podling" or something similar. I'm
also happy if the IPMC chooses to put a note on whatever archive the ASF
hosts for the retired podling that points to the successor project.
It looks like Ken elsethread can help confirm that RIM/Blackberry won't
have any problems with this either, so hopefully you'll be all set!
It's important for the ASF to defend all Apache project and podling
trademarks to ensure that we maintain our reputation for independently
governed projects. This is especially important in some other kinds of
cases, where other companies may try to manipulate our podlings or
projects unfairly. But in cases where the community tries, but just
doesn't succeed at incubation, the ASF has no wishes to get in the way
of the community trying their luck elsewhere.
Good luck, by the way!
- Shane
Parashuram N wrote on 12/1/15 2:29 PM:
...
> -----Original Message----- From: Ross Gardler
> [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015
> 10:14 PM To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org Subject: Trademark use
> after retirement
>
> As can be seen in recent discussions the Ripple project will be
> retired as an Incubating Apache project. During the discussion the
> status of the Ripple trademark was one question that came up. I
> responded that if anyone wants to use the mark they would need
> permission from whoever owns the mark. In my preliminary evaluation
> of the status of the mark it did not appear that it had been
> transferred to the ASF on entry into the Incubator (which is the
> usual case).
>
> If anyone in the community wants to reuse this mark you need to
> confirm with trademarsk@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> that
> the ASF does not own the mark and, once confirmed, approach the
> trademark owner (Blackberry I believe). Under no circumstances should
> anyone use the Ripple name without obtaining permission.
>
> The code, however, can be taken under the Apache License V2 and
> worked on elsewhere if you so desire.
>
> Ross
>