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[Friday] - finding the Mavens in the Java world
Hi all;
For those of you that have read The
<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316346624/sr=1-1/qid=1138589404/ref=pd_bb
s_1/002-3569767-9990453?%5Fencoding=UTF8> Tipping Point, this will make
sense (I think). For those that haven't, a maven is a person that trys just
about every interesting program they see, and then tells others what they
think about it. They're the ones the rest of us depend on to tell us what is
worth trying and what new programs we should just skip.
We want to give a free copy of Windward Reports
<http://www.windwardreports.com/> to all mavens in the Java (and .NET)
programming world (value $1,134.00). No conditions or requirements or
anything like that. A free regular copy with no limitations except that they
cannot resell it.
Why?
We figure if we give them a copy, they might use it. And if they use it, we
figure they'll probably post or write about it. So we're not asking them to
do anything - but we figure our odds are pretty good they will. (Yes, we
believe that much in our reporting engine.)
So. Any ideas on how to find these people and make the offer to them?
Thanks - dave
David Thielen
<http://www.windwardreports.com> www.windwardreports.com
303-499-2544
RE: [Friday] - finding the Mavens in the Java world
Posted by David Thielen <da...@windward.net>.
Yep, The Tipping Point is a really popular book (he credits it in his blog
which is nice). What is interesting to me is I think the trick is getting
the word to the mavens, not the connectors. Then the mavens talk to the
connectors and the connectors talk to the world.
But I think having the mavens "bless" a product is a much more powerful
first step, even if it is less direct than going straight to the connectors.
Anyways, thank you very much for the pointer - will send an offer of a free
copy to all of them.
Thanks - dave
David Thielen
www.windwardreports.com
303-499-2544
-----Original Message-----
From: Leon Rosenberg [mailto:rosenberg.leon@googlemail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 8:08 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Friday] - finding the Mavens in the Java world
David Geary (http://www.jroller.com/page/dgeary) states himself as
maven on his page, and writes some other names:
http://jroller.com/page/dgeary?catname=%2FRuby+on+Rails
Connectors are people who are extraordinarily connected to other
people: they are the people who seem to know everybody. Mavens, on the
other hand, are people who love to acquire knowledge on all sorts of
topics and, perhaps more importantly, love to tell others about what
they've learned (in fact, the word maven comes from Yiddish and means
someone who accumulates knowledge). Both mavens and connectors are
crucial for affecting a tipping point. I don't know about other
programming communities, but in the Java world, Rails has been
enthusiastically adopted by (at least) the following connectors and
mavens:
* James Duncan Davidson (ANT)
* Mike Clark (Pragmatic Automation)
* Jason Hunter (Java Servlet Programming)
* Bruce Tate (Bitter Java, Spring Dev Notebook)
* Dion Almaer (Founder of theserverside.com)
* Stuart Holloway (Component Dev for Java)
* Justin Gehtland (Better, Faster, Lighter Java)
* Glenn Vanderburg (Tricks of the Java Programming Gurus)
* Your humble servant (Graphic Java, Core JSF)
He's talking about mavens in RoR context, but a maven is a maven, is a
maven, isn't it?:-9
regards
Leon
On 2/3/06, David Thielen <da...@windward.net> wrote:
> Hi all;
>
>
>
> For those of you that have read The
>
<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316346624/sr=1-1/qid=1138589404/ref=pd_bb
> s_1/002-3569767-9990453?%5Fencoding=UTF8> Tipping Point, this will make
> sense (I think). For those that haven't, a maven is a person that trys
just
> about every interesting program they see, and then tells others what they
> think about it. They're the ones the rest of us depend on to tell us what
is
> worth trying and what new programs we should just skip.
>
>
>
> We want to give a free copy of Windward Reports
> <http://www.windwardreports.com/> to all mavens in the Java (and .NET)
> programming world (value $1,134.00). No conditions or requirements or
> anything like that. A free regular copy with no limitations except that
they
> cannot resell it.
>
>
>
> Why?
>
>
>
> We figure if we give them a copy, they might use it. And if they use it,
we
> figure they'll probably post or write about it. So we're not asking them
to
> do anything - but we figure our odds are pretty good they will. (Yes, we
> believe that much in our reporting engine.)
>
>
>
> So. Any ideas on how to find these people and make the offer to them?
>
>
>
> Thanks - dave
>
>
>
>
>
> David Thielen
>
> <http://www.windwardreports.com> www.windwardreports.com
>
> 303-499-2544
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Friday] - finding the Mavens in the Java world
Posted by Leon Rosenberg <ro...@googlemail.com>.
David Geary (http://www.jroller.com/page/dgeary) states himself as
maven on his page, and writes some other names:
http://jroller.com/page/dgeary?catname=%2FRuby+on+Rails
Connectors are people who are extraordinarily connected to other
people: they are the people who seem to know everybody. Mavens, on the
other hand, are people who love to acquire knowledge on all sorts of
topics and, perhaps more importantly, love to tell others about what
they've learned (in fact, the word maven comes from Yiddish and means
someone who accumulates knowledge). Both mavens and connectors are
crucial for affecting a tipping point. I don't know about other
programming communities, but in the Java world, Rails has been
enthusiastically adopted by (at least) the following connectors and
mavens:
* James Duncan Davidson (ANT)
* Mike Clark (Pragmatic Automation)
* Jason Hunter (Java Servlet Programming)
* Bruce Tate (Bitter Java, Spring Dev Notebook)
* Dion Almaer (Founder of theserverside.com)
* Stuart Holloway (Component Dev for Java)
* Justin Gehtland (Better, Faster, Lighter Java)
* Glenn Vanderburg (Tricks of the Java Programming Gurus)
* Your humble servant (Graphic Java, Core JSF)
He's talking about mavens in RoR context, but a maven is a maven, is a
maven, isn't it?:-9
regards
Leon
On 2/3/06, David Thielen <da...@windward.net> wrote:
> Hi all;
>
>
>
> For those of you that have read The
> <http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316346624/sr=1-1/qid=1138589404/ref=pd_bb
> s_1/002-3569767-9990453?%5Fencoding=UTF8> Tipping Point, this will make
> sense (I think). For those that haven't, a maven is a person that trys just
> about every interesting program they see, and then tells others what they
> think about it. They're the ones the rest of us depend on to tell us what is
> worth trying and what new programs we should just skip.
>
>
>
> We want to give a free copy of Windward Reports
> <http://www.windwardreports.com/> to all mavens in the Java (and .NET)
> programming world (value $1,134.00). No conditions or requirements or
> anything like that. A free regular copy with no limitations except that they
> cannot resell it.
>
>
>
> Why?
>
>
>
> We figure if we give them a copy, they might use it. And if they use it, we
> figure they'll probably post or write about it. So we're not asking them to
> do anything - but we figure our odds are pretty good they will. (Yes, we
> believe that much in our reporting engine.)
>
>
>
> So. Any ideas on how to find these people and make the offer to them?
>
>
>
> Thanks - dave
>
>
>
>
>
> David Thielen
>
> <http://www.windwardreports.com> www.windwardreports.com
>
> 303-499-2544
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Friday] - finding the Mavens in the Java world
Posted by Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com>.
On 2/3/06, David Thielen <da...@windward.net> wrote:
> So. Any ideas on how to find these people and make the offer to them?
For J2EE Mavens, I'd start by reviewing the most popular blogs at JRoller,
* http://jroller.com/
and then review the blogs that these people read.
-Ted.
http://husted.com/ted/blog/
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RE: [Friday] - finding the Mavens in the Java world
Posted by David Thielen <da...@windward.net>.
Thank you - we do post our press releases there and it draws a lot of
interest - but seems to be more look-i-loos than purchasers - no idea why.
As to paid vs free (Jasper), it depends on what your time iw worth. We've
had lots of people go from Jasper to Windward because it saves them so much
time. On the flip side, I've had people in Malaysia and Vietnam tell me that
the extra time required for Jasper was ok in their case as salaries are so
low there.
Thanks - dave
David Thielen
www.windwardreports.com
303-499-2544
-----Original Message-----
From: DGraham@EvergreenInvestments.com
[mailto:DGraham@EvergreenInvestments.com]
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 8:18 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Friday] - finding the Mavens in the Java world
I'm a regular lurker at http://www.theserverside.com/tss
However, before you advertise it, I'd recommend that you have a good
argument for using a free/closed product versus a free/open product
(Jasper Reports). Possibly, you've already thougth about this.
-Dennis
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Hi all;
For those of you that have read The
<
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316346624/sr=1-1/qid=1138589404/ref=pd_bb
s_1/002-3569767-9990453?%5Fencoding=UTF8> Tipping Point, this will make
sense (I think). For those that haven't, a maven is a person that trys
just
about every interesting program they see, and then tells others what they
think about it. They're the ones the rest of us depend on to tell us what
is
worth trying and what new programs we should just skip.
We want to give a free copy of Windward Reports
<http://www.windwardreports.com/> to all mavens in the Java (and .NET)
programming world (value $1,134.00). No conditions or requirements or
anything like that. A free regular copy with no limitations except that
they
cannot resell it.
Why?
We figure if we give them a copy, they might use it. And if they use it,
we
figure they'll probably post or write about it. So we're not asking them
to
do anything - but we figure our odds are pretty good they will. (Yes, we
believe that much in our reporting engine.)
So. Any ideas on how to find these people and make the offer to them?
Thanks - dave
David Thielen
<http://www.windwardreports.com> www.windwardreports.com
303-499-2544
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Re: [Friday] - finding the Mavens in the Java world
Posted by DG...@EvergreenInvestments.com.
I'm a regular lurker at http://www.theserverside.com/tss
However, before you advertise it, I'd recommend that you have a good
argument for using a free/closed product versus a free/open product
(Jasper Reports). Possibly, you've already thougth about this.
-Dennis
"David Thielen" <da...@windward.net>
02/03/2006 09:08 AM
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Hi all;
For those of you that have read The
<
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316346624/sr=1-1/qid=1138589404/ref=pd_bb
s_1/002-3569767-9990453?%5Fencoding=UTF8> Tipping Point, this will make
sense (I think). For those that haven't, a maven is a person that trys
just
about every interesting program they see, and then tells others what they
think about it. They're the ones the rest of us depend on to tell us what
is
worth trying and what new programs we should just skip.
We want to give a free copy of Windward Reports
<http://www.windwardreports.com/> to all mavens in the Java (and .NET)
programming world (value $1,134.00). No conditions or requirements or
anything like that. A free regular copy with no limitations except that
they
cannot resell it.
Why?
We figure if we give them a copy, they might use it. And if they use it,
we
figure they'll probably post or write about it. So we're not asking them
to
do anything - but we figure our odds are pretty good they will. (Yes, we
believe that much in our reporting engine.)
So. Any ideas on how to find these people and make the offer to them?
Thanks - dave
David Thielen
<http://www.windwardreports.com> www.windwardreports.com
303-499-2544