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Board report draft
Folks
I put together a draft of the board report. Feel free to contribute more
content / make corrections:
http://wiki.apache.org/HttpComponents/BoardReportSept2008
Cheers
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Re: Board report draft
Posted by "Asankha C. Perera" <as...@wso2.com>.
ant elder wrote:
> Looks good to me and i agree would be good to mention about Droids.
>
Looks good.. +1
asankha
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>> Folks
>>
>> Please do try to find a few minutes to review the report and add bits
>> that you think are missing.
>>
>> We probably should also mention the ongoing discussion about the
>> possibility of Droids moving out of the Labs and joining the project as
>> a subproject
>>
>> Oleg
>>
>> On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:11 +0200, Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
>>
>>> Folks
>>>
>>> I put together a draft of the board report. Feel free to contribute more
>>> content / make corrections:
>>>
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/HttpComponents/BoardReportSept2008
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Oleg
>>>
>>>
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Re: Board report draft
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@juntadeandalucia.es>.
On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 12:46 +0200, Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I added a section on Droids to the board report. Please review.
Nice wording.
Thank you very much Oleg.
salu2
>
> If Erik does not show up online today, I will submit the report around
> 20:00 GMT.
>
> Oleg
>
>
> On Sat, 2008-09-13 at 10:49 +0200, Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> > On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 09:03 +0200, Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> > ...
> > > >
> > > > Another concern is that HttpComponents may prove too constraining if you
> > > > envisage Droids being more than a framework for web (HTTP) crawlers.
> > >
> > > Droids definitely is not limit to http. http will be a big part of
> > > droids but not any other protocol should be supported in the future.
> > >
> >
> > That should read that any other protocol will be (hopefully) supported
> > in the future.
> >
> > salu2
> >
> > > > In
> > > > this case Lucene could be a better home for Droids.
> > >
> > > Maybe we can postpone the decision. Both project can sponsor the
> > > incubation and when leaving we decide.
> > >
> > > Thanks Oleg.
> > >
> > > salu2
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Oleg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > "The important thing right now for droids is to get people interested
> > > > > and committed." [2]
> > > > >
> > > > > salu2
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] http://markmail.org/message/c7g5gxgducqdeeio
> > > > > [2] http://markmail.org/message/v7vuyv2dgzbzra7e
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...ant
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Folks
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please do try to find a few minutes to review the report and add bits
> > > > > > > that you think are missing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We probably should also mention the ongoing discussion about the
> > > > > > > possibility of Droids moving out of the Labs and joining the project as
> > > > > > > a subproject
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oleg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:11 +0200, Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> > > > > > > > Folks
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I put together a draft of the board report. Feel free to contribute more
> > > > > > > > content / make corrections:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://wiki.apache.org/HttpComponents/BoardReportSept2008
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Oleg
> > > > > > > >
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Re: Board report draft
Posted by Erik Abele <er...@codefaktor.de>.
On Sep 15, 2008, at 12:46:13, Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I added a section on Droids to the board report. Please review.
Thanks so much.
> If Erik does not show up online today, I will submit the report around
> 20:00 GMT.
I'm in the process of looking through the stuff and preparing the
final report. I'll try to catch you on IM somewhere to coordinate -
otherwise I'm planning on submitting the reort later today...
Cheers,
Erik
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Re: Board report draft
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
Folks,
I added a section on Droids to the board report. Please review.
If Erik does not show up online today, I will submit the report around
20:00 GMT.
Oleg
On Sat, 2008-09-13 at 10:49 +0200, Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 09:03 +0200, Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> ...
> > >
> > > Another concern is that HttpComponents may prove too constraining if you
> > > envisage Droids being more than a framework for web (HTTP) crawlers.
> >
> > Droids definitely is not limit to http. http will be a big part of
> > droids but not any other protocol should be supported in the future.
> >
>
> That should read that any other protocol will be (hopefully) supported
> in the future.
>
> salu2
>
> > > In
> > > this case Lucene could be a better home for Droids.
> >
> > Maybe we can postpone the decision. Both project can sponsor the
> > incubation and when leaving we decide.
> >
> > Thanks Oleg.
> >
> > salu2
> >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Oleg
> > >
> > >
> > > > "The important thing right now for droids is to get people interested
> > > > and committed." [2]
> > > >
> > > > salu2
> > > >
> > > > [1] http://markmail.org/message/c7g5gxgducqdeeio
> > > > [2] http://markmail.org/message/v7vuyv2dgzbzra7e
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ...ant
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Folks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please do try to find a few minutes to review the report and add bits
> > > > > > that you think are missing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We probably should also mention the ongoing discussion about the
> > > > > > possibility of Droids moving out of the Labs and joining the project as
> > > > > > a subproject
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oleg
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:11 +0200, Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> > > > > > > Folks
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I put together a draft of the board report. Feel free to contribute more
> > > > > > > content / make corrections:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://wiki.apache.org/HttpComponents/BoardReportSept2008
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oleg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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Re: Board report draft
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 09:03 +0200, Thorsten Scherler wrote:
...
> >
> > Another concern is that HttpComponents may prove too constraining if you
> > envisage Droids being more than a framework for web (HTTP) crawlers.
>
> Droids definitely is not limit to http. http will be a big part of
> droids but not any other protocol should be supported in the future.
>
That should read that any other protocol will be (hopefully) supported
in the future.
salu2
> > In
> > this case Lucene could be a better home for Droids.
>
> Maybe we can postpone the decision. Both project can sponsor the
> incubation and when leaving we decide.
>
> Thanks Oleg.
>
> salu2
>
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Oleg
> >
> >
> > > "The important thing right now for droids is to get people interested
> > > and committed." [2]
> > >
> > > salu2
> > >
> > > [1] http://markmail.org/message/c7g5gxgducqdeeio
> > > [2] http://markmail.org/message/v7vuyv2dgzbzra7e
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ...ant
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Folks
> > > > >
> > > > > Please do try to find a few minutes to review the report and add bits
> > > > > that you think are missing.
> > > > >
> > > > > We probably should also mention the ongoing discussion about the
> > > > > possibility of Droids moving out of the Labs and joining the project as
> > > > > a subproject
> > > > >
> > > > > Oleg
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:11 +0200, Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> > > > > > Folks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I put together a draft of the board report. Feel free to contribute more
> > > > > > content / make corrections:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://wiki.apache.org/HttpComponents/BoardReportSept2008
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oleg
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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Re: Board report draft
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@juntadeandalucia.es>.
On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 00:03 +0200, Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 23:40 +0200, Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 19:03 +0100, ant elder wrote:
> > > Looks good to me and i agree would be good to mention about Droids.
> >
> > I started a proposal for incubation, but ATM there is a ongoing
> > discussion about how to leave labs and we should wait till it settles.
> >
> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DroidsProposal
> >
> > The other thing is the community component for droids. The only initial
> > committer ATM besides me is Ryan from lucene/solr, some colleagues of
> > mine have posted patches and lucene committer expressed interest for
> > sponsoring droids as well (labs list) [1].
> >
>
> Hi Thorsten
>
> Community building is precisely the reason why Droids should go through
> the process of incubation.
I agree, the recent discussion has started (I guess) because it is the
first project leaving labs.
> Several people (including myself) expressed
> willingness to help with the incubation process, but this may not be
> enough to ensure a tong term viability of Droids. Getting new people on
> board is indeed the biggest issue.
Yes.
>
> Another concern is that HttpComponents may prove too constraining if you
> envisage Droids being more than a framework for web (HTTP) crawlers.
Droids definitely is not limit to http. http will be a big part of
droids but not any other protocol should be supported in the future.
> In
> this case Lucene could be a better home for Droids.
Maybe we can postpone the decision. Both project can sponsor the
incubation and when leaving we decide.
Thanks Oleg.
salu2
>
> Cheers
>
> Oleg
>
>
> > "The important thing right now for droids is to get people interested
> > and committed." [2]
> >
> > salu2
> >
> > [1] http://markmail.org/message/c7g5gxgducqdeeio
> > [2] http://markmail.org/message/v7vuyv2dgzbzra7e
> >
> > >
> > > ...ant
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Folks
> > > >
> > > > Please do try to find a few minutes to review the report and add bits
> > > > that you think are missing.
> > > >
> > > > We probably should also mention the ongoing discussion about the
> > > > possibility of Droids moving out of the Labs and joining the project as
> > > > a subproject
> > > >
> > > > Oleg
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:11 +0200, Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> > > > > Folks
> > > > >
> > > > > I put together a draft of the board report. Feel free to contribute more
> > > > > content / make corrections:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://wiki.apache.org/HttpComponents/BoardReportSept2008
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > >
> > > > > Oleg
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: Board report draft
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 23:40 +0200, Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 19:03 +0100, ant elder wrote:
> > Looks good to me and i agree would be good to mention about Droids.
>
> I started a proposal for incubation, but ATM there is a ongoing
> discussion about how to leave labs and we should wait till it settles.
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DroidsProposal
>
> The other thing is the community component for droids. The only initial
> committer ATM besides me is Ryan from lucene/solr, some colleagues of
> mine have posted patches and lucene committer expressed interest for
> sponsoring droids as well (labs list) [1].
>
Hi Thorsten
Community building is precisely the reason why Droids should go through
the process of incubation. Several people (including myself) expressed
willingness to help with the incubation process, but this may not be
enough to ensure a tong term viability of Droids. Getting new people on
board is indeed the biggest issue.
Another concern is that HttpComponents may prove too constraining if you
envisage Droids being more than a framework for web (HTTP) crawlers. In
this case Lucene could be a better home for Droids.
Cheers
Oleg
> "The important thing right now for droids is to get people interested
> and committed." [2]
>
> salu2
>
> [1] http://markmail.org/message/c7g5gxgducqdeeio
> [2] http://markmail.org/message/v7vuyv2dgzbzra7e
>
> >
> > ...ant
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Folks
> > >
> > > Please do try to find a few minutes to review the report and add bits
> > > that you think are missing.
> > >
> > > We probably should also mention the ongoing discussion about the
> > > possibility of Droids moving out of the Labs and joining the project as
> > > a subproject
> > >
> > > Oleg
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:11 +0200, Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> > > > Folks
> > > >
> > > > I put together a draft of the board report. Feel free to contribute more
> > > > content / make corrections:
> > > >
> > > > http://wiki.apache.org/HttpComponents/BoardReportSept2008
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Oleg
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: Board report draft
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 19:03 +0100, ant elder wrote:
> Looks good to me and i agree would be good to mention about Droids.
I started a proposal for incubation, but ATM there is a ongoing
discussion about how to leave labs and we should wait till it settles.
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DroidsProposal
The other thing is the community component for droids. The only initial
committer ATM besides me is Ryan from lucene/solr, some colleagues of
mine have posted patches and lucene committer expressed interest for
sponsoring droids as well (labs list) [1].
"The important thing right now for droids is to get people interested
and committed." [2]
salu2
[1] http://markmail.org/message/c7g5gxgducqdeeio
[2] http://markmail.org/message/v7vuyv2dgzbzra7e
>
> ...ant
>
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Folks
> >
> > Please do try to find a few minutes to review the report and add bits
> > that you think are missing.
> >
> > We probably should also mention the ongoing discussion about the
> > possibility of Droids moving out of the Labs and joining the project as
> > a subproject
> >
> > Oleg
> >
> > On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:11 +0200, Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> > > Folks
> > >
> > > I put together a draft of the board report. Feel free to contribute more
> > > content / make corrections:
> > >
> > > http://wiki.apache.org/HttpComponents/BoardReportSept2008
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Oleg
> > >
> > >
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Re: Board report draft
Posted by ant elder <an...@gmail.com>.
Looks good to me and i agree would be good to mention about Droids.
...ant
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> Folks
>
> Please do try to find a few minutes to review the report and add bits
> that you think are missing.
>
> We probably should also mention the ongoing discussion about the
> possibility of Droids moving out of the Labs and joining the project as
> a subproject
>
> Oleg
>
> On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:11 +0200, Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> > Folks
> >
> > I put together a draft of the board report. Feel free to contribute more
> > content / make corrections:
> >
> > http://wiki.apache.org/HttpComponents/BoardReportSept2008
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Oleg
> >
> >
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Re: Board report draft
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
Folks
Please do try to find a few minutes to review the report and add bits
that you think are missing.
We probably should also mention the ongoing discussion about the
possibility of Droids moving out of the Labs and joining the project as
a subproject
Oleg
On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:11 +0200, Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> Folks
>
> I put together a draft of the board report. Feel free to contribute more
> content / make corrections:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/HttpComponents/BoardReportSept2008
>
> Cheers
>
> Oleg
>
>
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