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Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
Posted by Arjun Dhar <dh...@yahoo.com>.
If only I could inject a "window.close();" on that post! :)
Being un-biased and logically trying to break it down ..., I think people
have to differentiate between "FRAMEWORKS" and "FRAMEWORKS + FLUFF".
E.g.: Their criteria "Three stars means a fully-fledged plug-in with
advanced specialized features like WYSIWYG editing." ... I just implemented
a Wicket Integration of CKEditor, with AJAX on the CkEditor buttons,
connecting directly to my service layer. = " FLUFF "
Wicket provides very neat Ajax support for developers to do stuff with it.
Also overall, I've been pretty miffed with the Java Community for
masturbating over frameworks* while PHP has heavy weights like Drupal and
Joomla that steal the show.
.............I've found Wicket to be a good ally in creating better sites
faster, cheaper and more maintainable than any PHP competitor or any Java
framework + CMS solution.............
* = http://www.mail-archive.com/users@wicket.apache.org/msg55584.html
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Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
Posted by arronlee <ar...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
As for me, I am testing the related .net barcode generator
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Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
Posted by Andrea Del Bene <ad...@ciseonweb.it>.
That's why I don't like a statement like "UI programming on client-side
with Java". You are just giving the impression of programming your GUI
in Java, but in the end is a lot of JavaScript, and this doesn't help
code maintenance as pointed out by Eelco .
I know that GWT is good at "mimicking" desktop style but you can do it
also with Wicket with the right components.
> Ugh, I mean 'just do that in JavaScript'
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Eelco Hillenius
> <ee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> To be honest, I don't think the comparison matrix is that bad. I would
>>> consider a framework like Vaadin over Wicket if all I wanted a typical
>>> desktop style only (menu bar, content frames + layout manager, fancy
>>> widgets) only type of application, what they call "application
>>> oriented", especially if it would benefit a lot from client-side UI
>>> management.
>> Or just do that in Java. I can tell you from experience that
>> developing (and e.g. debugging!) with GWT is painful on many different
>> levels. I like how Vaadin markets itself, what it's goals are etc, but
>> I can't imagine not stumbling into the same kind of hassle that comes
>> with developing with GWT. Might even make it worse, as it's yet
>> another abstraction over it.
>>
>> My2c,
>>
>> Eelco
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Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
Posted by Eelco Hillenius <ee...@gmail.com>.
Ugh, I mean 'just do that in JavaScript'
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Eelco Hillenius
<ee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To be honest, I don't think the comparison matrix is that bad. I would
>> consider a framework like Vaadin over Wicket if all I wanted a typical
>> desktop style only (menu bar, content frames + layout manager, fancy
>> widgets) only type of application, what they call "application
>> oriented", especially if it would benefit a lot from client-side UI
>> management.
>
> Or just do that in Java. I can tell you from experience that
> developing (and e.g. debugging!) with GWT is painful on many different
> levels. I like how Vaadin markets itself, what it's goals are etc, but
> I can't imagine not stumbling into the same kind of hassle that comes
> with developing with GWT. Might even make it worse, as it's yet
> another abstraction over it.
>
> My2c,
>
> Eelco
>
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Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
Posted by Eelco Hillenius <ee...@gmail.com>.
> To be honest, I don't think the comparison matrix is that bad. I would
> consider a framework like Vaadin over Wicket if all I wanted a typical
> desktop style only (menu bar, content frames + layout manager, fancy
> widgets) only type of application, what they call "application
> oriented", especially if it would benefit a lot from client-side UI
> management.
Or just do that in Java. I can tell you from experience that
developing (and e.g. debugging!) with GWT is painful on many different
levels. I like how Vaadin markets itself, what it's goals are etc, but
I can't imagine not stumbling into the same kind of hassle that comes
with developing with GWT. Might even make it worse, as it's yet
another abstraction over it.
My2c,
Eelco
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Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
Posted by Pointbreak <po...@ml1.net>.
That's actually accurate, as Martin already explained, Wicket has no
provisions for client side Java based programming.
To be honest, I don't think the comparison matrix is that bad. I would
consider a framework like Vaadin over Wicket if all I wanted a typical
desktop style only (menu bar, content frames + layout manager, fancy
widgets) only type of application, what they call "application
oriented", especially if it would benefit a lot from client-side UI
management.
On Wednesday, October 26, 2011 10:18 PM, "Andrea Del Bene"
<an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's right but why they didn't include Java among languages you can
> use to program on client side with Wicket. It's a mystery!
> > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Andrea Del Bene<an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> You missed the funniest row: "UI programming on client-side". What does it
> >> mean "Java, Javascript" for GWT and Vaadin and just "Javascript" for Wicket?
> >> Does it mean that GWT and Vaadin run bytecode inside browser? Did they
> >> (re)invented applets :)?
> > They (actually GWT, Vaadin is reusing it) compile Java to JavaScript.
> > I.e the developer writes only Java and the framework does the rest.
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
Posted by Andrea Del Bene <an...@gmail.com>.
That's right but why they didn't include Java among languages you can
use to program on client side with Wicket. It's a mystery!
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Andrea Del Bene<an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> You missed the funniest row: "UI programming on client-side". What does it
>> mean "Java, Javascript" for GWT and Vaadin and just "Javascript" for Wicket?
>> Does it mean that GWT and Vaadin run bytecode inside browser? Did they
>> (re)invented applets :)?
> They (actually GWT, Vaadin is reusing it) compile Java to JavaScript.
> I.e the developer writes only Java and the framework does the rest.
>
>
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Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
Posted by Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Andrea Del Bene <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You missed the funniest row: "UI programming on client-side". What does it
> mean "Java, Javascript" for GWT and Vaadin and just "Javascript" for Wicket?
> Does it mean that GWT and Vaadin run bytecode inside browser? Did they
> (re)invented applets :)?
They (actually GWT, Vaadin is reusing it) compile Java to JavaScript.
I.e the developer writes only Java and the framework does the rest.
>>
>> missing a green dot in "Framework extensions are done in Java" - what
>> else are the done in?
>>
>> missing a green dot in "Application oriented" - wicket is both page
>> and application oriented - depends on how you want to build your
>> app...
>>
>> not sure why in the IDE department we get only two stars...you dont
>> need any plugins to make it easier to work with wicket other then some
>> very minor things.
>>
>> why is there nothing in "Number of downloadable add-ons"? are they
>> saying there are zero addons available to download?
>> https://github.com/wicketstuff/core alone contains plenty of addons
>> downloadable from the maven repo. and there are lots of other
>> libraries published by people.
>>
>> my two cents.
>>
>> -igor
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:02 AM, shetc<sh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://vaadin.com/comparison An extensive RIA technology comparison
>>> matrix
>>>
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Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
Posted by Andrea Del Bene <an...@gmail.com>.
You missed the funniest row: "UI programming on client-side". What does
it mean "Java, Javascript" for GWT and Vaadin and just "Javascript" for
Wicket? Does it mean that GWT and Vaadin run bytecode inside browser?
Did they (re)invented applets :)?
> missing a green dot in "Framework extensions are done in Java" - what
> else are the done in?
>
> missing a green dot in "Application oriented" - wicket is both page
> and application oriented - depends on how you want to build your
> app...
>
> not sure why in the IDE department we get only two stars...you dont
> need any plugins to make it easier to work with wicket other then some
> very minor things.
>
> why is there nothing in "Number of downloadable add-ons"? are they
> saying there are zero addons available to download?
> https://github.com/wicketstuff/core alone contains plenty of addons
> downloadable from the maven repo. and there are lots of other
> libraries published by people.
>
> my two cents.
>
> -igor
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:02 AM, shetc<sh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> https://vaadin.com/comparison An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix
>>
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Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
Posted by Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 9:29 PM, <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I do think it would be extremely. Helpful if there was a plugi n to generate html from wicket code or I'm not aware of it. There is a plugin that gives me the option "generate wicket form code" but it never worked. Its not a show stopper by any means though.
I'm not sure that it is extremely useful.
You will generate that html once per form and from there on you will
have to manually tweak the html/css and to be careful to not run the
html generator again because it will override the nice UI (html/css)
that you tweaked the last N working days.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org>
> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:42:15
> To: <us...@wicket.apache.org>
> Reply-To: users@wicket.apache.org
> Subject: Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
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> After the inconsistencies mentioned by Igor and the fact: "Backed up
> by a corporation" - nothing in Wicket column
> I still think we are doing fine :-)
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Josh Kamau <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Looks like crap to me..
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> missing a green dot in "Framework extensions are done in Java" - what
>>> else are the done in?
>>>
>>> missing a green dot in "Application oriented" - wicket is both page
>>> and application oriented - depends on how you want to build your
>>> app...
>>>
>>> not sure why in the IDE department we get only two stars...you dont
>>> need any plugins to make it easier to work with wicket other then some
>>> very minor things.
>>>
>>> why is there nothing in "Number of downloadable add-ons"? are they
>>> saying there are zero addons available to download?
>>> https://github.com/wicketstuff/core alone contains plenty of addons
>>> downloadable from the maven repo. and there are lots of other
>>> libraries published by people.
>>>
>>> my two cents.
>>>
>>> -igor
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:02 AM, shetc <sh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> > https://vaadin.com/comparison An extensive RIA technology comparison
>>> matrix
>>> >
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Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
Posted by an...@gmail.com.
I do think it would be extremely. Helpful if there was a plugi n to generate html from wicket code or I'm not aware of it. There is a plugin that gives me the option "generate wicket form code" but it never worked. Its not a show stopper by any means though.
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From: Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org>
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:42:15
To: <us...@wicket.apache.org>
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After the inconsistencies mentioned by Igor and the fact: "Backed up
by a corporation" - nothing in Wicket column
I still think we are doing fine :-)
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Josh Kamau <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looks like crap to me..
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> missing a green dot in "Framework extensions are done in Java" - what
>> else are the done in?
>>
>> missing a green dot in "Application oriented" - wicket is both page
>> and application oriented - depends on how you want to build your
>> app...
>>
>> not sure why in the IDE department we get only two stars...you dont
>> need any plugins to make it easier to work with wicket other then some
>> very minor things.
>>
>> why is there nothing in "Number of downloadable add-ons"? are they
>> saying there are zero addons available to download?
>> https://github.com/wicketstuff/core alone contains plenty of addons
>> downloadable from the maven repo. and there are lots of other
>> libraries published by people.
>>
>> my two cents.
>>
>> -igor
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:02 AM, shetc <sh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> > https://vaadin.com/comparison An extensive RIA technology comparison
>> matrix
>> >
>> > --
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Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
Posted by shetc <sh...@bellsouth.net>.
I forgot the link to the
https://vaadin.com/blog/-/blogs/new-comparison-matrix associated blog .
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Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
Posted by Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org>.
After the inconsistencies mentioned by Igor and the fact: "Backed up
by a corporation" - nothing in Wicket column
I still think we are doing fine :-)
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Josh Kamau <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looks like crap to me..
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> missing a green dot in "Framework extensions are done in Java" - what
>> else are the done in?
>>
>> missing a green dot in "Application oriented" - wicket is both page
>> and application oriented - depends on how you want to build your
>> app...
>>
>> not sure why in the IDE department we get only two stars...you dont
>> need any plugins to make it easier to work with wicket other then some
>> very minor things.
>>
>> why is there nothing in "Number of downloadable add-ons"? are they
>> saying there are zero addons available to download?
>> https://github.com/wicketstuff/core alone contains plenty of addons
>> downloadable from the maven repo. and there are lots of other
>> libraries published by people.
>>
>> my two cents.
>>
>> -igor
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:02 AM, shetc <sh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> > https://vaadin.com/comparison An extensive RIA technology comparison
>> matrix
>> >
>> > --
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Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
Posted by Josh Kamau <jo...@gmail.com>.
Looks like crap to me..
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com>wrote:
> missing a green dot in "Framework extensions are done in Java" - what
> else are the done in?
>
> missing a green dot in "Application oriented" - wicket is both page
> and application oriented - depends on how you want to build your
> app...
>
> not sure why in the IDE department we get only two stars...you dont
> need any plugins to make it easier to work with wicket other then some
> very minor things.
>
> why is there nothing in "Number of downloadable add-ons"? are they
> saying there are zero addons available to download?
> https://github.com/wicketstuff/core alone contains plenty of addons
> downloadable from the maven repo. and there are lots of other
> libraries published by people.
>
> my two cents.
>
> -igor
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:02 AM, shetc <sh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > https://vaadin.com/comparison An extensive RIA technology comparison
> matrix
> >
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Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
Posted by Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com>.
missing a green dot in "Framework extensions are done in Java" - what
else are the done in?
missing a green dot in "Application oriented" - wicket is both page
and application oriented - depends on how you want to build your
app...
not sure why in the IDE department we get only two stars...you dont
need any plugins to make it easier to work with wicket other then some
very minor things.
why is there nothing in "Number of downloadable add-ons"? are they
saying there are zero addons available to download?
https://github.com/wicketstuff/core alone contains plenty of addons
downloadable from the maven repo. and there are lots of other
libraries published by people.
my two cents.
-igor
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:02 AM, shetc <sh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> https://vaadin.com/comparison An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix
>
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Re: An extensive RIA technology comparison matrix including Wicket
Posted by Peter Ertl <pe...@gmx.org>.
the fact that the so called "comparison" is hosted at
vaadin.com
reduces the amount of usefulness significantly for me…
:-)
Am 26.10.2011 um 20:02 schrieb shetc:
> https://vaadin.com/comparison