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Posted to log4j-user@logging.apache.org by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> on 2013/04/18 10:21:01 UTC
log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Hello log4cxx users/devs,
I wrote an E-Mail in february to consider log4cxx for the attic.
The attic means the code is accessible, but no Apache committer is
actively maintaining it or releasing code.
In february a couple of people shown their interest in the project. I
thought a while about it, considering to apply patches myself. But as
I have not much knowledge/interest in c++ it is really not the best
option.
Another option came to my mind. I have not clarified it with others so
far, so i am not sure if this would work out.
Anyway, at Apache we have the so-called Incubator. It is a place where
we build up communities, clarify legal things and so on. It is not so
easy to get new committers in an existing tlp, but it is more easy to
allow direct commit access to interested parties in the incubator.
The log4cxx project would not be an "official" apache project, until
it is coming out of the incubator. This will be the case if the
community around log4cxx has proven a level of interest and long-term
commitment, if the community has learned what is "around Apache" and
how to create proper releases.
If there are 3 people with an interest, I am willing to help with
incubation as mentor.
But please, if you are considering to help and step up: do it only if
you *really* have an interest and a *really* willing to donate some of
your time. If you are in doubt if OS work at Apache is for you,
consider to clone log4cxx at github and work there for a while.
I will give this e-mail a couple of days to develop; after this I will
either open a vote for the Attic or discuss the option of a new
incubation with a new development team.
Cheers
Christian
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Re: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by chand priyankara <ch...@engineering.com>.
Hi all,
What I suggest here is, that we should come to a conclusion soon and
resume/re-start developments/fixes ASAP. Because that's the only way to
regain Log4CXX glory!!!
Last few weeks, I tried to fix some [atlease blocking]bugs, but I couldn't
finish since i don't have commit rights.Once you go through the bug
lists,you may find those enhancements requested are not such big issues.
But we have to make it happen.
Christian??? Any steps further, please....
regards,
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On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Nick Williams
> <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
> > Lacking any responses, I'll chime in:
> >
> > I didn't know log4cxx existed. The only Cxx code I write is Java+Native.
> With that said, now that I know it exists, I will investigate using it in
> my native code; I'm not sure.
> >
> > I'd love to try to help some, but I simply don't have time right now.
> I'm in the middle of writing a book. Perhaps after the book comes out, but
> that's going to be another 8 months from now.
> >
> > It sure would be a shame to see it head to the attic. :-(
>
> Just want to make sure everybody knows that attic doesn't mean
> "deleted". The code will be accessible and we'll make a pointer to it.
> It is just an indicator that there is nobody working on it (I just
> have not the time to learn the skills :-().
>
> When ever a group of people (I guess 3 to 5 would make it happen) come
> together and *want* to maintain it, we can get it back from the attic
> without big pain.
>
> So, if you have finished your book (curious about what you write!) you
> have a chance to revive it.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > On Apr 18, 2013, at 3:21 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> >
> >> Hello log4cxx users/devs,
> >>
> >> I wrote an E-Mail in february to consider log4cxx for the attic.
> >>
> >> The attic means the code is accessible, but no Apache committer is
> >> actively maintaining it or releasing code.
> >>
> >> In february a couple of people shown their interest in the project. I
> >> thought a while about it, considering to apply patches myself. But as
> >> I have not much knowledge/interest in c++ it is really not the best
> >> option.
> >>
> >> Another option came to my mind. I have not clarified it with others so
> >> far, so i am not sure if this would work out.
> >>
> >> Anyway, at Apache we have the so-called Incubator. It is a place where
> >> we build up communities, clarify legal things and so on. It is not so
> >> easy to get new committers in an existing tlp, but it is more easy to
> >> allow direct commit access to interested parties in the incubator.
> >>
> >> The log4cxx project would not be an "official" apache project, until
> >> it is coming out of the incubator. This will be the case if the
> >> community around log4cxx has proven a level of interest and long-term
> >> commitment, if the community has learned what is "around Apache" and
> >> how to create proper releases.
> >>
> >> If there are 3 people with an interest, I am willing to help with
> >> incubation as mentor.
> >>
> >> But please, if you are considering to help and step up: do it only if
> >> you *really* have an interest and a *really* willing to donate some of
> >> your time. If you are in doubt if OS work at Apache is for you,
> >> consider to clone log4cxx at github and work there for a while.
> >>
> >> I will give this e-mail a couple of days to develop; after this I will
> >> either open a vote for the Attic or discuss the option of a new
> >> incubation with a new development team.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Christian
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://www.grobmeier.de
> >> https://www.timeandbill.de
> >>
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> >
>
>
>
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> https://www.timeandbill.de
>
Re: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Nick Williams
<ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
> Lacking any responses, I'll chime in:
>
> I didn't know log4cxx existed. The only Cxx code I write is Java+Native. With that said, now that I know it exists, I will investigate using it in my native code; I'm not sure.
>
> I'd love to try to help some, but I simply don't have time right now. I'm in the middle of writing a book. Perhaps after the book comes out, but that's going to be another 8 months from now.
>
> It sure would be a shame to see it head to the attic. :-(
Just want to make sure everybody knows that attic doesn't mean
"deleted". The code will be accessible and we'll make a pointer to it.
It is just an indicator that there is nobody working on it (I just
have not the time to learn the skills :-().
When ever a group of people (I guess 3 to 5 would make it happen) come
together and *want* to maintain it, we can get it back from the attic
without big pain.
So, if you have finished your book (curious about what you write!) you
have a chance to revive it.
Cheers
>
> Nick
>
> On Apr 18, 2013, at 3:21 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>
>> Hello log4cxx users/devs,
>>
>> I wrote an E-Mail in february to consider log4cxx for the attic.
>>
>> The attic means the code is accessible, but no Apache committer is
>> actively maintaining it or releasing code.
>>
>> In february a couple of people shown their interest in the project. I
>> thought a while about it, considering to apply patches myself. But as
>> I have not much knowledge/interest in c++ it is really not the best
>> option.
>>
>> Another option came to my mind. I have not clarified it with others so
>> far, so i am not sure if this would work out.
>>
>> Anyway, at Apache we have the so-called Incubator. It is a place where
>> we build up communities, clarify legal things and so on. It is not so
>> easy to get new committers in an existing tlp, but it is more easy to
>> allow direct commit access to interested parties in the incubator.
>>
>> The log4cxx project would not be an "official" apache project, until
>> it is coming out of the incubator. This will be the case if the
>> community around log4cxx has proven a level of interest and long-term
>> commitment, if the community has learned what is "around Apache" and
>> how to create proper releases.
>>
>> If there are 3 people with an interest, I am willing to help with
>> incubation as mentor.
>>
>> But please, if you are considering to help and step up: do it only if
>> you *really* have an interest and a *really* willing to donate some of
>> your time. If you are in doubt if OS work at Apache is for you,
>> consider to clone log4cxx at github and work there for a while.
>>
>> I will give this e-mail a couple of days to develop; after this I will
>> either open a vote for the Attic or discuss the option of a new
>> incubation with a new development team.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Christian
>>
>> --
>> http://www.grobmeier.de
>> https://www.timeandbill.de
>>
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Re: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Nick Williams
<ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
> Lacking any responses, I'll chime in:
>
> I didn't know log4cxx existed. The only Cxx code I write is Java+Native. With that said, now that I know it exists, I will investigate using it in my native code; I'm not sure.
>
> I'd love to try to help some, but I simply don't have time right now. I'm in the middle of writing a book. Perhaps after the book comes out, but that's going to be another 8 months from now.
>
> It sure would be a shame to see it head to the attic. :-(
Just want to make sure everybody knows that attic doesn't mean
"deleted". The code will be accessible and we'll make a pointer to it.
It is just an indicator that there is nobody working on it (I just
have not the time to learn the skills :-().
When ever a group of people (I guess 3 to 5 would make it happen) come
together and *want* to maintain it, we can get it back from the attic
without big pain.
So, if you have finished your book (curious about what you write!) you
have a chance to revive it.
Cheers
>
> Nick
>
> On Apr 18, 2013, at 3:21 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>
>> Hello log4cxx users/devs,
>>
>> I wrote an E-Mail in february to consider log4cxx for the attic.
>>
>> The attic means the code is accessible, but no Apache committer is
>> actively maintaining it or releasing code.
>>
>> In february a couple of people shown their interest in the project. I
>> thought a while about it, considering to apply patches myself. But as
>> I have not much knowledge/interest in c++ it is really not the best
>> option.
>>
>> Another option came to my mind. I have not clarified it with others so
>> far, so i am not sure if this would work out.
>>
>> Anyway, at Apache we have the so-called Incubator. It is a place where
>> we build up communities, clarify legal things and so on. It is not so
>> easy to get new committers in an existing tlp, but it is more easy to
>> allow direct commit access to interested parties in the incubator.
>>
>> The log4cxx project would not be an "official" apache project, until
>> it is coming out of the incubator. This will be the case if the
>> community around log4cxx has proven a level of interest and long-term
>> commitment, if the community has learned what is "around Apache" and
>> how to create proper releases.
>>
>> If there are 3 people with an interest, I am willing to help with
>> incubation as mentor.
>>
>> But please, if you are considering to help and step up: do it only if
>> you *really* have an interest and a *really* willing to donate some of
>> your time. If you are in doubt if OS work at Apache is for you,
>> consider to clone log4cxx at github and work there for a while.
>>
>> I will give this e-mail a couple of days to develop; after this I will
>> either open a vote for the Attic or discuss the option of a new
>> incubation with a new development team.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Christian
>>
>> --
>> http://www.grobmeier.de
>> https://www.timeandbill.de
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-user-unsubscribe@logging.apache.org
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>>
>
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https://www.timeandbill.de
Re: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net>.
Lacking any responses, I'll chime in:
I didn't know log4cxx existed. The only Cxx code I write is Java+Native. With that said, now that I know it exists, I will investigate using it in my native code; I'm not sure.
I'd love to try to help some, but I simply don't have time right now. I'm in the middle of writing a book. Perhaps after the book comes out, but that's going to be another 8 months from now.
It sure would be a shame to see it head to the attic. :-(
Nick
On Apr 18, 2013, at 3:21 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> Hello log4cxx users/devs,
>
> I wrote an E-Mail in february to consider log4cxx for the attic.
>
> The attic means the code is accessible, but no Apache committer is
> actively maintaining it or releasing code.
>
> In february a couple of people shown their interest in the project. I
> thought a while about it, considering to apply patches myself. But as
> I have not much knowledge/interest in c++ it is really not the best
> option.
>
> Another option came to my mind. I have not clarified it with others so
> far, so i am not sure if this would work out.
>
> Anyway, at Apache we have the so-called Incubator. It is a place where
> we build up communities, clarify legal things and so on. It is not so
> easy to get new committers in an existing tlp, but it is more easy to
> allow direct commit access to interested parties in the incubator.
>
> The log4cxx project would not be an "official" apache project, until
> it is coming out of the incubator. This will be the case if the
> community around log4cxx has proven a level of interest and long-term
> commitment, if the community has learned what is "around Apache" and
> how to create proper releases.
>
> If there are 3 people with an interest, I am willing to help with
> incubation as mentor.
>
> But please, if you are considering to help and step up: do it only if
> you *really* have an interest and a *really* willing to donate some of
> your time. If you are in doubt if OS work at Apache is for you,
> consider to clone log4cxx at github and work there for a while.
>
> I will give this e-mail a couple of days to develop; after this I will
> either open a vote for the Attic or discuss the option of a new
> incubation with a new development team.
>
> Cheers
> Christian
>
> --
> http://www.grobmeier.de
> https://www.timeandbill.de
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-user-unsubscribe@logging.apache.org
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>
Re: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by Roland Uuesoo <ro...@gmail.com>.
Hi.
Just wanted to note that there already are a couple of forks on github...
https://github.com/apache/log4cxx
Github is probably the easiest way to share the changes.
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hello Chand,
>
> i asked the other logging members over at general@.
> One suggestion was to enable a git mirror for log4cxx and make it easier
> for others to contribute.
> Ralph (from log4j 2 mainly) mentioned he could look at the patches,
> because he has the skills which i lack.
> On the other hand, I might be able to release.
>
> Then the community could contribute / fork via GitHub too, which lightens
> the burden.
>
> So far not confirmed, but this is another option.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 8:34 AM, chand priyankara <ch...@engineering.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Any further suggestions in going forward other than Incubator or Attic?
>> or else, can we get in to a conclusion, please.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>>
>> *Chand Priyankara* [image: Facebook]<http://www.facebook.com/chand.priyankara>
>> [image: LinkedIn] <http://lk.linkedin.com/in/chandpriyankara> [image:
>> Blogger] <http://chandpriyankara.blogspot.com/> [image: Google Plus]<http://plus.google.com/104246340732624023499>
>>
>> |BSc(Eng) - Electrical & Information
>> |(094) 773-361-566
>> |chand@engineering.com
>> |http://chandpriyankara.blogspot.com
>> <http://www.iucnredlist.org/amazing-species>sent via internet
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Florian Seydoux <
>> florianseydoux@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Le Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:04:25 +0200,
>>> Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> wrote :
>>>
>>> > [...]
>>> > Basically there are many people who "keep
>>> > an eye on the project", discuss, commit a few things but keep their
>>> > level of activity pretty low. This works too, as long as the person
>>> > "sticks" with the project.
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> As a user of this great library since almost 7 years (with some
>>> discontinuities) , I'll be very happy to see it "back online".
>>>
>>> The proposition of Christian to move them on Incubation stage makes
>>> sense, and seems even very appealing.
>>>
>>> Despite I didn't actively contributed till now, I would be very happy
>>> to offer some of my time for such task, following the quoted opinion
>>> here above.
>>>
>>> Of course, starting by simply providing patches would already be a
>>> first step for me - I just wanted to let you know that there are
>>> potential workpower, just waiting some activity on the lib to be
>>> 'activated'.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Florian
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> http://www.grobmeier.de
> https://www.timeandbill.de
>
Re: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by Pedro Lamarão <pe...@prodist.com.br>.
Em 06/05/2013 14:00, chand priyankara escreveu:
> Pretty good discussions, thanks to every body.
> Git seems a good track, and I'm in.
>
> Since *Christian* is here, I hope we can continue with:
> https://github.com/apache/log4cxx
I have somehow missed this.
We will see about rebasing our internal fork onto that.
Is there a process for patch reviewing and/or pull requests already in
place?
--
Pedro Lamarão Rosa e Silva
Prodist Technologies
http://www.prodist.com.br/
"Securing Transaction Systems"
Tel.: (21) 4062-7188
Re: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by chand priyankara <ch...@engineering.com>.
Hi All,
Pretty good discussions, thanks to every body.
Git seems a good track, and I'm in.
Since *Christian* is here, I hope we can continue with:
https://github.com/apache/log4cxx
:)
regards,
*Chand Priyankara* [image: Facebook]<http://www.facebook.com/chand.priyankara>
[image: LinkedIn] <http://lk.linkedin.com/in/chandpriyankara> [image:
Blogger] <http://chandpriyankara.blogspot.com/> [image: Google
Plus]<http://plus.google.com/104246340732624023499>
|BSc(Eng) - Electrical & Information
|(094) 773-361-566
|chand@engineering.com
|http://chandpriyankara.blogspot.com
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On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Pedro Lamarão
<pe...@prodist.com.br>wrote:
> Em 06/05/2013 11:38, Rhys Ulerich escreveu:
> >> I will make a fork from trunk on GitHub today. Anyone wants in, we can
> >> deal with the patches, tarball releases and things like that.
> >>
> >> --> https://github.com/pedrolamarao/log4cxx
> >
> > With regards to a Github-based fork, one important thing from the
> > discussion at
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/logging-general/201305.mbox/browser
> > was that ICLAs should be in place before pull requests can be
> > accepted. Otherwise, incorporating any changes into an Apache-blessed
> > tree at a later date becomes difficult.
>
>
> If someone could instruct me on this process, I could submit a
> contribution agreement ASAP, and then keep this in mind while managing
> the fork. I suspect a small community would not give me much trouble in
> this regard.
>
>
> --
> Pedro Lamarão Rosa e Silva
> Prodist Technologies
> http://www.prodist.com.br/
> "Securing Transaction Systems"
> Tel.: (21) 4062-7188
>
>
Re: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by Pedro Lamarão <pe...@prodist.com.br>.
Em 06/05/2013 11:38, Rhys Ulerich escreveu:
>> I will make a fork from trunk on GitHub today. Anyone wants in, we can
>> deal with the patches, tarball releases and things like that.
>>
>> --> https://github.com/pedrolamarao/log4cxx
>
> With regards to a Github-based fork, one important thing from the
> discussion at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/logging-general/201305.mbox/browser
> was that ICLAs should be in place before pull requests can be
> accepted. Otherwise, incorporating any changes into an Apache-blessed
> tree at a later date becomes difficult.
If someone could instruct me on this process, I could submit a
contribution agreement ASAP, and then keep this in mind while managing
the fork. I suspect a small community would not give me much trouble in
this regard.
--
Pedro Lamarão Rosa e Silva
Prodist Technologies
http://www.prodist.com.br/
"Securing Transaction Systems"
Tel.: (21) 4062-7188
Re: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by Rhys Ulerich <rh...@gmail.com>.
> I will make a fork from trunk on GitHub today. Anyone wants in, we can
> deal with the patches, tarball releases and things like that.
>
> --> https://github.com/pedrolamarao/log4cxx
With regards to a Github-based fork, one important thing from the
discussion at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/logging-general/201305.mbox/browser
was that ICLAs should be in place before pull requests can be
accepted. Otherwise, incorporating any changes into an Apache-blessed
tree at a later date becomes difficult.
- Rhys
Re: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by Pedro Lamarão <pe...@prodist.com.br>.
Em 05/05/2013 03:42, Christian Grobmeier escreveu:
> Hello Chand,
>
> i asked the other logging members over at general@.
> One suggestion was to enable a git mirror for log4cxx and make it easier
> for others to contribute.
> Ralph (from log4j 2 mainly) mentioned he could look at the patches,
> because he has the skills which i lack.
> On the other hand, I might be able to release.
>
> Then the community could contribute / fork via GitHub too, which
> lightens the burden.
>
> So far not confirmed, but this is another option.
We were planning on a fork for our own purposes; this seems a good
opportunity for us to participate.
I will make a fork from trunk on GitHub today. Anyone wants in, we can
deal with the patches, tarball releases and things like that.
--> https://github.com/pedrolamarao/log4cxx
--
Pedro Lamarão Rosa e Silva
Prodist Technologies
http://www.prodist.com.br/
"Securing Transaction Systems"
Tel.: (21) 4062-7188
Re: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
Hello Chand,
i asked the other logging members over at general@.
One suggestion was to enable a git mirror for log4cxx and make it easier
for others to contribute.
Ralph (from log4j 2 mainly) mentioned he could look at the patches, because
he has the skills which i lack.
On the other hand, I might be able to release.
Then the community could contribute / fork via GitHub too, which lightens
the burden.
So far not confirmed, but this is another option.
Cheers
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 8:34 AM, chand priyankara <ch...@engineering.com>wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Any further suggestions in going forward other than Incubator or Attic?
> or else, can we get in to a conclusion, please.
>
> regards,
>
>
> *Chand Priyankara* [image: Facebook]<http://www.facebook.com/chand.priyankara>
> [image: LinkedIn] <http://lk.linkedin.com/in/chandpriyankara> [image:
> Blogger] <http://chandpriyankara.blogspot.com/> [image: Google Plus]<http://plus.google.com/104246340732624023499>
>
> |BSc(Eng) - Electrical & Information
> |(094) 773-361-566
> |chand@engineering.com
> |http://chandpriyankara.blogspot.com
> <http://www.iucnredlist.org/amazing-species>sent via internet
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Florian Seydoux <
> florianseydoux@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Le Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:04:25 +0200,
>> Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> wrote :
>>
>> > [...]
>> > Basically there are many people who "keep
>> > an eye on the project", discuss, commit a few things but keep their
>> > level of activity pretty low. This works too, as long as the person
>> > "sticks" with the project.
>> <snip>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> As a user of this great library since almost 7 years (with some
>> discontinuities) , I'll be very happy to see it "back online".
>>
>> The proposition of Christian to move them on Incubation stage makes
>> sense, and seems even very appealing.
>>
>> Despite I didn't actively contributed till now, I would be very happy
>> to offer some of my time for such task, following the quoted opinion
>> here above.
>>
>> Of course, starting by simply providing patches would already be a
>> first step for me - I just wanted to let you know that there are
>> potential workpower, just waiting some activity on the lib to be
>> 'activated'.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Florian
>>
>>
>
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AW: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by "Wiebesiek, Torsten" <to...@grecon.de>.
Hi all,
> Any further suggestions in going forward other than Incubator or Attic?
> or else, can we get in to a conclusion, please.
sorry for the late response. Lately, I didn't check the log4cxx new very
frequently, but this might change quickly. :-)
We are using this great library in all our C++ projects and it would be
nice to see it being maintained again, and as my time allows, I am willing
to help with documentation, help on this list, and maybe even some patches.
Moving log4cxx to the Incubator sounds great. :-)
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Re: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
Hello Chand,
i asked the other logging members over at general@.
One suggestion was to enable a git mirror for log4cxx and make it easier
for others to contribute.
Ralph (from log4j 2 mainly) mentioned he could look at the patches, because
he has the skills which i lack.
On the other hand, I might be able to release.
Then the community could contribute / fork via GitHub too, which lightens
the burden.
So far not confirmed, but this is another option.
Cheers
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 8:34 AM, chand priyankara <ch...@engineering.com>wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Any further suggestions in going forward other than Incubator or Attic?
> or else, can we get in to a conclusion, please.
>
> regards,
>
>
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>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Florian Seydoux <
> florianseydoux@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Le Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:04:25 +0200,
>> Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> wrote :
>>
>> > [...]
>> > Basically there are many people who "keep
>> > an eye on the project", discuss, commit a few things but keep their
>> > level of activity pretty low. This works too, as long as the person
>> > "sticks" with the project.
>> <snip>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> As a user of this great library since almost 7 years (with some
>> discontinuities) , I'll be very happy to see it "back online".
>>
>> The proposition of Christian to move them on Incubation stage makes
>> sense, and seems even very appealing.
>>
>> Despite I didn't actively contributed till now, I would be very happy
>> to offer some of my time for such task, following the quoted opinion
>> here above.
>>
>> Of course, starting by simply providing patches would already be a
>> first step for me - I just wanted to let you know that there are
>> potential workpower, just waiting some activity on the lib to be
>> 'activated'.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Florian
>>
>>
>
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Re: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by chand priyankara <ch...@engineering.com>.
Hi all,
Any further suggestions in going forward other than Incubator or Attic?
or else, can we get in to a conclusion, please.
regards,
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On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Florian Seydoux
<fl...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Le Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:04:25 +0200,
> Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> wrote :
>
> > [...]
> > Basically there are many people who "keep
> > an eye on the project", discuss, commit a few things but keep their
> > level of activity pretty low. This works too, as long as the person
> > "sticks" with the project.
> <snip>
>
> Hi All,
>
> As a user of this great library since almost 7 years (with some
> discontinuities) , I'll be very happy to see it "back online".
>
> The proposition of Christian to move them on Incubation stage makes
> sense, and seems even very appealing.
>
> Despite I didn't actively contributed till now, I would be very happy
> to offer some of my time for such task, following the quoted opinion
> here above.
>
> Of course, starting by simply providing patches would already be a
> first step for me - I just wanted to let you know that there are
> potential workpower, just waiting some activity on the lib to be
> 'activated'.
>
> Cheers
>
> Florian
>
>
Re: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by chand priyankara <ch...@engineering.com>.
Hi all,
Any further suggestions in going forward other than Incubator or Attic?
or else, can we get in to a conclusion, please.
regards,
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[image: LinkedIn] <http://lk.linkedin.com/in/chandpriyankara> [image:
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On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Florian Seydoux
<fl...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Le Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:04:25 +0200,
> Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> wrote :
>
> > [...]
> > Basically there are many people who "keep
> > an eye on the project", discuss, commit a few things but keep their
> > level of activity pretty low. This works too, as long as the person
> > "sticks" with the project.
> <snip>
>
> Hi All,
>
> As a user of this great library since almost 7 years (with some
> discontinuities) , I'll be very happy to see it "back online".
>
> The proposition of Christian to move them on Incubation stage makes
> sense, and seems even very appealing.
>
> Despite I didn't actively contributed till now, I would be very happy
> to offer some of my time for such task, following the quoted opinion
> here above.
>
> Of course, starting by simply providing patches would already be a
> first step for me - I just wanted to let you know that there are
> potential workpower, just waiting some activity on the lib to be
> 'activated'.
>
> Cheers
>
> Florian
>
>
Re: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by Florian Seydoux <fl...@gmail.com>.
Le Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:04:25 +0200,
Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> wrote :
> [...]
> Basically there are many people who "keep
> an eye on the project", discuss, commit a few things but keep their
> level of activity pretty low. This works too, as long as the person
> "sticks" with the project.
<snip>
Hi All,
As a user of this great library since almost 7 years (with some
discontinuities) , I'll be very happy to see it "back online".
The proposition of Christian to move them on Incubation stage makes
sense, and seems even very appealing.
Despite I didn't actively contributed till now, I would be very happy
to offer some of my time for such task, following the quoted opinion
here above.
Of course, starting by simply providing patches would already be a
first step for me - I just wanted to let you know that there are
potential workpower, just waiting some activity on the lib to be
'activated'.
Cheers
Florian
Re: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by Florian Seydoux <fl...@gmail.com>.
Le Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:04:25 +0200,
Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> wrote :
> [...]
> Basically there are many people who "keep
> an eye on the project", discuss, commit a few things but keep their
> level of activity pretty low. This works too, as long as the person
> "sticks" with the project.
<snip>
Hi All,
As a user of this great library since almost 7 years (with some
discontinuities) , I'll be very happy to see it "back online".
The proposition of Christian to move them on Incubation stage makes
sense, and seems even very appealing.
Despite I didn't actively contributed till now, I would be very happy
to offer some of my time for such task, following the quoted opinion
here above.
Of course, starting by simply providing patches would already be a
first step for me - I just wanted to let you know that there are
potential workpower, just waiting some activity on the lib to be
'activated'.
Cheers
Florian
Re: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Thorsten Schöning
<ts...@am-soft.de> wrote:
>> Lets hope a few more people are interested, then we might have a chance to go to incubation.
>
> "Interest" shouldn't be a problem at all, I'm definitely, because I
> switched a lot of our projects to log4cxx within the last 2 or 3
> years. I even svnsync'ed all log4cxx code base for days after I read
> you considering moving the project to attic. ;-) But doing active
> development or releases is another thing, we are only a small company
> of 3 devs and therefore simply don't have the resources to invest a
> valuable amount of time into log4cxx development on a regular basis.
I hear you :-)
> Besides that, what I'm able and willing to do is to provide patches
> for bug fixes, any further development we do for our requirements and
> give some support on the mailing list if I'm able to help. From what I
> understand this should all be a lot easier if log4cxx moves (back?) to
> incubator.
Without incubation, one needs to "earn" committership. It would also
mean it is f.e. me who needs to apply all patches. I have not a good
clue, cannot not easily discuss the code and of course it is
frustrating for other devs to see their patches waiting for a long
time in the queue. In incubation, we can give out commit access a bit
easier (we do this a lot with other incoming projects).
If you are actually providing bugfix patches, it might be enough
already for committership. Basically there are many people who "keep
an eye on the project", discuss, commit a few things but keep their
level of activity pretty low. This works too, as long as the person
"sticks" with the project. Basically with what you describe you would
probably make up a good committer, even when you "just commit" a
couple of hours to log4cxx.
That said, with your honest estimation we should still look for a few
other people. It is always easier to keep a project running with a
couple of people.
Cheers
Christian
>
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>
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Re: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by Thorsten Schöning <ts...@am-soft.de>.
Guten Tag Christian Grobmeier,
am Donnerstag, 18. April 2013 um 11:35 schrieben Sie:
> Lets hope a few more people are interested, then we might have a chance to go to incubation.
"Interest" shouldn't be a problem at all, I'm definitely, because I
switched a lot of our projects to log4cxx within the last 2 or 3
years. I even svnsync'ed all log4cxx code base for days after I read
you considering moving the project to attic. ;-) But doing active
development or releases is another thing, we are only a small company
of 3 devs and therefore simply don't have the resources to invest a
valuable amount of time into log4cxx development on a regular basis.
Besides that, what I'm able and willing to do is to provide patches
for bug fixes, any further development we do for our requirements and
give some support on the mailing list if I'm able to help. From what I
understand this should all be a lot easier if log4cxx moves (back?) to
incubator.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Thorsten Schöning
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Re: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by Thorsten Schöning <ts...@am-soft.de>.
Guten Tag Christian Grobmeier,
am Donnerstag, 18. April 2013 um 11:35 schrieben Sie:
> Lets hope a few more people are interested, then we might have a chance to go to incubation.
"Interest" shouldn't be a problem at all, I'm definitely, because I
switched a lot of our projects to log4cxx within the last 2 or 3
years. I even svnsync'ed all log4cxx code base for days after I read
you considering moving the project to attic. ;-) But doing active
development or releases is another thing, we are only a small company
of 3 devs and therefore simply don't have the resources to invest a
valuable amount of time into log4cxx development on a regular basis.
Besides that, what I'm able and willing to do is to provide patches
for bug fixes, any further development we do for our requirements and
give some support on the mailing list if I'm able to help. From what I
understand this should all be a lot easier if log4cxx moves (back?) to
incubator.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Thorsten Schöning
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Re: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by chand priyankara <ch...@engineering.com>.
Hello,
That's great Christian , and I'm OK with it.
*“Something must be done. This is something. Therefore we must do it!”*
*
*
Hopefully, waiting for more support from the community.* *
*
*
*
*
regards,
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On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>wrote:
> [- log4j-user, +log4cxx-user]
>
> Hello Chand,
>
> thanks for your feedback!
>
> You made a few good points. Still, a project which is not maintained bug
> patching its code base or creating releases is actually "end of life".
> That said, the role "mentor" is restricted to active long-term
> Apache-people (spoken easily).
>
> But it would be possible for you to join the developers team as committer.
> In this case you would get direct write access to SVN. I, as mentor, would
> assist you to understand all the rules of the Apache Software Foundation.
>
> That said, I count you as "initial committer" if we would go into the
> incubator, right?
>
> Lets hope a few more people are interested, then we might have a chance to
> go to incubation.
>
> Cheers
> Christian
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:59 AM, chand priyankara <ch...@engineering.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Christian,
>>
>> Thanks for you work on log4cxx.
>> What I mean is its better go towards Incubator, than Attic.
>> Because, I still believe log4cxx is the primary logging framework for C++
>> related projects.
>> The concern is, even though the number of C++ based [new]projects
>> are less, still it is a good choice to move with.
>>
>> If we move this to Attic[Apache project has reached its end of life],
>> even a new user will be hesitate to use this incredible tool.
>> But still in Incubation, there is a possibility to increase the number of
>> dev/user support, since newbies are looking Incubation projects than Attic
>> projects.
>>
>> Personally, I use log4cxx for several C++ projects really confidence with
>> it, and willing to use it in upcoming projects as well.
>> So, I'll be there, in my best to support/develop/enhance log4cxx.
>>
>> I can support log4cxx with been as an Incubation mentor.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> regards,
>>
>>
>> *Chand Priyankara* [image: Facebook]<http://www.facebook.com/chand.priyankara>
>> [image: LinkedIn] <http://lk.linkedin.com/in/chandpriyankara> [image:
>> Blogger] <http://chandpriyankara.blogspot.com/> [image: Google Plus]<http://plus.google.com/104246340732624023499>
>>
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>> |(094) 773-361-566
>> |chand@engineering.com
>> |http://chandpriyankara.blogspot.com
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>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Hello log4cxx users/devs,
>>>
>>> I wrote an E-Mail in february to consider log4cxx for the attic.
>>>
>>> The attic means the code is accessible, but no Apache committer is
>>> actively maintaining it or releasing code.
>>>
>>> In february a couple of people shown their interest in the project. I
>>> thought a while about it, considering to apply patches myself. But as
>>> I have not much knowledge/interest in c++ it is really not the best
>>> option.
>>>
>>> Another option came to my mind. I have not clarified it with others so
>>> far, so i am not sure if this would work out.
>>>
>>> Anyway, at Apache we have the so-called Incubator. It is a place where
>>> we build up communities, clarify legal things and so on. It is not so
>>> easy to get new committers in an existing tlp, but it is more easy to
>>> allow direct commit access to interested parties in the incubator.
>>>
>>> The log4cxx project would not be an "official" apache project, until
>>> it is coming out of the incubator. This will be the case if the
>>> community around log4cxx has proven a level of interest and long-term
>>> commitment, if the community has learned what is "around Apache" and
>>> how to create proper releases.
>>>
>>> If there are 3 people with an interest, I am willing to help with
>>> incubation as mentor.
>>>
>>> But please, if you are considering to help and step up: do it only if
>>> you *really* have an interest and a *really* willing to donate some of
>>> your time. If you are in doubt if OS work at Apache is for you,
>>> consider to clone log4cxx at github and work there for a while.
>>>
>>> I will give this e-mail a couple of days to develop; after this I will
>>> either open a vote for the Attic or discuss the option of a new
>>> incubation with a new development team.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Christian
>>>
>>> --
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>>> https://www.timeandbill.de
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by chand priyankara <ch...@engineering.com>.
Hello,
That's great Christian , and I'm OK with it.
*“Something must be done. This is something. Therefore we must do it!”*
*
*
Hopefully, waiting for more support from the community.* *
*
*
*
*
regards,
*Chand Priyankara* [image: Facebook]<http://www.facebook.com/chand.priyankara>
[image: LinkedIn] <http://lk.linkedin.com/in/chandpriyankara> [image:
Blogger] <http://chandpriyankara.blogspot.com/> [image: Google
Plus]<http://plus.google.com/104246340732624023499>
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On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>wrote:
> [- log4j-user, +log4cxx-user]
>
> Hello Chand,
>
> thanks for your feedback!
>
> You made a few good points. Still, a project which is not maintained bug
> patching its code base or creating releases is actually "end of life".
> That said, the role "mentor" is restricted to active long-term
> Apache-people (spoken easily).
>
> But it would be possible for you to join the developers team as committer.
> In this case you would get direct write access to SVN. I, as mentor, would
> assist you to understand all the rules of the Apache Software Foundation.
>
> That said, I count you as "initial committer" if we would go into the
> incubator, right?
>
> Lets hope a few more people are interested, then we might have a chance to
> go to incubation.
>
> Cheers
> Christian
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:59 AM, chand priyankara <ch...@engineering.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Christian,
>>
>> Thanks for you work on log4cxx.
>> What I mean is its better go towards Incubator, than Attic.
>> Because, I still believe log4cxx is the primary logging framework for C++
>> related projects.
>> The concern is, even though the number of C++ based [new]projects
>> are less, still it is a good choice to move with.
>>
>> If we move this to Attic[Apache project has reached its end of life],
>> even a new user will be hesitate to use this incredible tool.
>> But still in Incubation, there is a possibility to increase the number of
>> dev/user support, since newbies are looking Incubation projects than Attic
>> projects.
>>
>> Personally, I use log4cxx for several C++ projects really confidence with
>> it, and willing to use it in upcoming projects as well.
>> So, I'll be there, in my best to support/develop/enhance log4cxx.
>>
>> I can support log4cxx with been as an Incubation mentor.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> regards,
>>
>>
>> *Chand Priyankara* [image: Facebook]<http://www.facebook.com/chand.priyankara>
>> [image: LinkedIn] <http://lk.linkedin.com/in/chandpriyankara> [image:
>> Blogger] <http://chandpriyankara.blogspot.com/> [image: Google Plus]<http://plus.google.com/104246340732624023499>
>>
>> |BSc(Eng) - Electrical & Information
>> |(094) 773-361-566
>> |chand@engineering.com
>> |http://chandpriyankara.blogspot.com
>> <http://www.iucnredlist.org/amazing-species>sent via internet
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Hello log4cxx users/devs,
>>>
>>> I wrote an E-Mail in february to consider log4cxx for the attic.
>>>
>>> The attic means the code is accessible, but no Apache committer is
>>> actively maintaining it or releasing code.
>>>
>>> In february a couple of people shown their interest in the project. I
>>> thought a while about it, considering to apply patches myself. But as
>>> I have not much knowledge/interest in c++ it is really not the best
>>> option.
>>>
>>> Another option came to my mind. I have not clarified it with others so
>>> far, so i am not sure if this would work out.
>>>
>>> Anyway, at Apache we have the so-called Incubator. It is a place where
>>> we build up communities, clarify legal things and so on. It is not so
>>> easy to get new committers in an existing tlp, but it is more easy to
>>> allow direct commit access to interested parties in the incubator.
>>>
>>> The log4cxx project would not be an "official" apache project, until
>>> it is coming out of the incubator. This will be the case if the
>>> community around log4cxx has proven a level of interest and long-term
>>> commitment, if the community has learned what is "around Apache" and
>>> how to create proper releases.
>>>
>>> If there are 3 people with an interest, I am willing to help with
>>> incubation as mentor.
>>>
>>> But please, if you are considering to help and step up: do it only if
>>> you *really* have an interest and a *really* willing to donate some of
>>> your time. If you are in doubt if OS work at Apache is for you,
>>> consider to clone log4cxx at github and work there for a while.
>>>
>>> I will give this e-mail a couple of days to develop; after this I will
>>> either open a vote for the Attic or discuss the option of a new
>>> incubation with a new development team.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Christian
>>>
>>> --
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Fwd: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@apache.org>.
[- log4j-user, +log4cxx-user]
Hello Chand,
thanks for your feedback!
You made a few good points. Still, a project which is not maintained bug
patching its code base or creating releases is actually "end of life".
That said, the role "mentor" is restricted to active long-term
Apache-people (spoken easily).
But it would be possible for you to join the developers team as committer.
In this case you would get direct write access to SVN. I, as mentor, would
assist you to understand all the rules of the Apache Software Foundation.
That said, I count you as "initial committer" if we would go into the
incubator, right?
Lets hope a few more people are interested, then we might have a chance to
go to incubation.
Cheers
Christian
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:59 AM, chand priyankara <ch...@engineering.com>wrote:
> Hi Christian,
>
> Thanks for you work on log4cxx.
> What I mean is its better go towards Incubator, than Attic.
> Because, I still believe log4cxx is the primary logging framework for C++
> related projects.
> The concern is, even though the number of C++ based [new]projects
> are less, still it is a good choice to move with.
>
> If we move this to Attic[Apache project has reached its end of life],
> even a new user will be hesitate to use this incredible tool.
> But still in Incubation, there is a possibility to increase the number of
> dev/user support, since newbies are looking Incubation projects than Attic
> projects.
>
> Personally, I use log4cxx for several C++ projects really confidence with
> it, and willing to use it in upcoming projects as well.
> So, I'll be there, in my best to support/develop/enhance log4cxx.
>
> I can support log4cxx with been as an Incubation mentor.
>
>
>
>
> regards,
>
>
> *Chand Priyankara* [image: Facebook]<http://www.facebook.com/chand.priyankara>
> [image: LinkedIn] <http://lk.linkedin.com/in/chandpriyankara> [image:
> Blogger] <http://chandpriyankara.blogspot.com/> [image: Google Plus]<http://plus.google.com/104246340732624023499>
>
> |BSc(Eng) - Electrical & Information
> |(094) 773-361-566
> |chand@engineering.com
> |http://chandpriyankara.blogspot.com
> <http://www.iucnredlist.org/amazing-species>sent via internet
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hello log4cxx users/devs,
>>
>> I wrote an E-Mail in february to consider log4cxx for the attic.
>>
>> The attic means the code is accessible, but no Apache committer is
>> actively maintaining it or releasing code.
>>
>> In february a couple of people shown their interest in the project. I
>> thought a while about it, considering to apply patches myself. But as
>> I have not much knowledge/interest in c++ it is really not the best
>> option.
>>
>> Another option came to my mind. I have not clarified it with others so
>> far, so i am not sure if this would work out.
>>
>> Anyway, at Apache we have the so-called Incubator. It is a place where
>> we build up communities, clarify legal things and so on. It is not so
>> easy to get new committers in an existing tlp, but it is more easy to
>> allow direct commit access to interested parties in the incubator.
>>
>> The log4cxx project would not be an "official" apache project, until
>> it is coming out of the incubator. This will be the case if the
>> community around log4cxx has proven a level of interest and long-term
>> commitment, if the community has learned what is "around Apache" and
>> how to create proper releases.
>>
>> If there are 3 people with an interest, I am willing to help with
>> incubation as mentor.
>>
>> But please, if you are considering to help and step up: do it only if
>> you *really* have an interest and a *really* willing to donate some of
>> your time. If you are in doubt if OS work at Apache is for you,
>> consider to clone log4cxx at github and work there for a while.
>>
>> I will give this e-mail a couple of days to develop; after this I will
>> either open a vote for the Attic or discuss the option of a new
>> incubation with a new development team.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Christian
>>
>> --
>> http://www.grobmeier.de
>> https://www.timeandbill.de
>>
>
>
--
http://www.grobmeier.de
https://www.timeandbill.de
Re: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
[- log4j-user, +log4cxx-user]
Hello Chand,
thanks for your feedback!
You made a few good points. Still, a project which is not maintained bug
patching its code base or creating releases is actually "end of life".
That said, the role "mentor" is restricted to active long-term
Apache-people (spoken easily).
But it would be possible for you to join the developers team as committer.
In this case you would get direct write access to SVN. I, as mentor, would
assist you to understand all the rules of the Apache Software Foundation.
That said, I count you as "initial committer" if we would go into the
incubator, right?
Lets hope a few more people are interested, then we might have a chance to
go to incubation.
Cheers
Christian
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:59 AM, chand priyankara <ch...@engineering.com>wrote:
> Hi Christian,
>
> Thanks for you work on log4cxx.
> What I mean is its better go towards Incubator, than Attic.
> Because, I still believe log4cxx is the primary logging framework for C++
> related projects.
> The concern is, even though the number of C++ based [new]projects
> are less, still it is a good choice to move with.
>
> If we move this to Attic[Apache project has reached its end of life],
> even a new user will be hesitate to use this incredible tool.
> But still in Incubation, there is a possibility to increase the number of
> dev/user support, since newbies are looking Incubation projects than Attic
> projects.
>
> Personally, I use log4cxx for several C++ projects really confidence with
> it, and willing to use it in upcoming projects as well.
> So, I'll be there, in my best to support/develop/enhance log4cxx.
>
> I can support log4cxx with been as an Incubation mentor.
>
>
>
>
> regards,
>
>
> *Chand Priyankara* [image: Facebook]<http://www.facebook.com/chand.priyankara>
> [image: LinkedIn] <http://lk.linkedin.com/in/chandpriyankara> [image:
> Blogger] <http://chandpriyankara.blogspot.com/> [image: Google Plus]<http://plus.google.com/104246340732624023499>
>
> |BSc(Eng) - Electrical & Information
> |(094) 773-361-566
> |chand@engineering.com
> |http://chandpriyankara.blogspot.com
> <http://www.iucnredlist.org/amazing-species>sent via internet
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hello log4cxx users/devs,
>>
>> I wrote an E-Mail in february to consider log4cxx for the attic.
>>
>> The attic means the code is accessible, but no Apache committer is
>> actively maintaining it or releasing code.
>>
>> In february a couple of people shown their interest in the project. I
>> thought a while about it, considering to apply patches myself. But as
>> I have not much knowledge/interest in c++ it is really not the best
>> option.
>>
>> Another option came to my mind. I have not clarified it with others so
>> far, so i am not sure if this would work out.
>>
>> Anyway, at Apache we have the so-called Incubator. It is a place where
>> we build up communities, clarify legal things and so on. It is not so
>> easy to get new committers in an existing tlp, but it is more easy to
>> allow direct commit access to interested parties in the incubator.
>>
>> The log4cxx project would not be an "official" apache project, until
>> it is coming out of the incubator. This will be the case if the
>> community around log4cxx has proven a level of interest and long-term
>> commitment, if the community has learned what is "around Apache" and
>> how to create proper releases.
>>
>> If there are 3 people with an interest, I am willing to help with
>> incubation as mentor.
>>
>> But please, if you are considering to help and step up: do it only if
>> you *really* have an interest and a *really* willing to donate some of
>> your time. If you are in doubt if OS work at Apache is for you,
>> consider to clone log4cxx at github and work there for a while.
>>
>> I will give this e-mail a couple of days to develop; after this I will
>> either open a vote for the Attic or discuss the option of a new
>> incubation with a new development team.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Christian
>>
>> --
>> http://www.grobmeier.de
>> https://www.timeandbill.de
>>
>
>
--
http://www.grobmeier.de
https://www.timeandbill.de
Re: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by chand priyankara <ch...@engineering.com>.
Hi Christian,
Thanks for you work on log4cxx.
What I mean is its better go towards Incubator, than Attic.
Because, I still believe log4cxx is the primary logging framework for C++
related projects.
The concern is, even though the number of C++ based [new]projects are less,
still it is a good choice to move with.
If we move this to Attic[Apache project has reached its end of life], even
a new user will be hesitate to use this incredible tool.
But still in Incubation, there is a possibility to increase the number of
dev/user support, since newbies are looking Incubation projects than Attic
projects.
Personally, I use log4cxx for several C++ projects really confidence with
it, and willing to use it in upcoming projects as well.
So, I'll be there, in my best to support/develop/enhance log4cxx.
I can support log4cxx with been as an Incubation mentor.
regards,
*Chand Priyankara* [image: Facebook]<http://www.facebook.com/chand.priyankara>
[image: LinkedIn] <http://lk.linkedin.com/in/chandpriyankara> [image:
Blogger] <http://chandpriyankara.blogspot.com/> [image: Google
Plus]<http://plus.google.com/104246340732624023499>
|BSc(Eng) - Electrical & Information
|(094) 773-361-566
|chand@engineering.com
|http://chandpriyankara.blogspot.com
<http://www.iucnredlist.org/amazing-species>sent via internet
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hello log4cxx users/devs,
>
> I wrote an E-Mail in february to consider log4cxx for the attic.
>
> The attic means the code is accessible, but no Apache committer is
> actively maintaining it or releasing code.
>
> In february a couple of people shown their interest in the project. I
> thought a while about it, considering to apply patches myself. But as
> I have not much knowledge/interest in c++ it is really not the best
> option.
>
> Another option came to my mind. I have not clarified it with others so
> far, so i am not sure if this would work out.
>
> Anyway, at Apache we have the so-called Incubator. It is a place where
> we build up communities, clarify legal things and so on. It is not so
> easy to get new committers in an existing tlp, but it is more easy to
> allow direct commit access to interested parties in the incubator.
>
> The log4cxx project would not be an "official" apache project, until
> it is coming out of the incubator. This will be the case if the
> community around log4cxx has proven a level of interest and long-term
> commitment, if the community has learned what is "around Apache" and
> how to create proper releases.
>
> If there are 3 people with an interest, I am willing to help with
> incubation as mentor.
>
> But please, if you are considering to help and step up: do it only if
> you *really* have an interest and a *really* willing to donate some of
> your time. If you are in doubt if OS work at Apache is for you,
> consider to clone log4cxx at github and work there for a while.
>
> I will give this e-mail a couple of days to develop; after this I will
> either open a vote for the Attic or discuss the option of a new
> incubation with a new development team.
>
> Cheers
> Christian
>
> --
> http://www.grobmeier.de
> https://www.timeandbill.de
>
Fwd: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
Hello folks,
just a small heads up, I sent this to log4cxx.
Not sure if we can move the project back to the incubator if a couple
of people are interested, but I am willing to find that out in case we
manage to attract a few guys. Otherwise we should vote on the attic
actually.
Of course, comments are welcome.
Cheers
Christian
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:21 AM
Subject: log4cxx - reaching out for interested developers
To: Log4CXX Dev <lo...@logging.apache.org>, Log4J Users List
<lo...@logging.apache.org>
Hello log4cxx users/devs,
I wrote an E-Mail in february to consider log4cxx for the attic.
The attic means the code is accessible, but no Apache committer is
actively maintaining it or releasing code.
In february a couple of people shown their interest in the project. I
thought a while about it, considering to apply patches myself. But as
I have not much knowledge/interest in c++ it is really not the best
option.
Another option came to my mind. I have not clarified it with others so
far, so i am not sure if this would work out.
Anyway, at Apache we have the so-called Incubator. It is a place where
we build up communities, clarify legal things and so on. It is not so
easy to get new committers in an existing tlp, but it is more easy to
allow direct commit access to interested parties in the incubator.
The log4cxx project would not be an "official" apache project, until
it is coming out of the incubator. This will be the case if the
community around log4cxx has proven a level of interest and long-term
commitment, if the community has learned what is "around Apache" and
how to create proper releases.
If there are 3 people with an interest, I am willing to help with
incubation as mentor.
But please, if you are considering to help and step up: do it only if
you *really* have an interest and a *really* willing to donate some of
your time. If you are in doubt if OS work at Apache is for you,
consider to clone log4cxx at github and work there for a while.
I will give this e-mail a couple of days to develop; after this I will
either open a vote for the Attic or discuss the option of a new
incubation with a new development team.
Cheers
Christian
--
http://www.grobmeier.de
https://www.timeandbill.de
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