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Posted to user@openmeetings.apache.org by Robert Chalmers <ro...@gmail.com> on 2012/07/15 08:46:58 UTC
Can we have fully quoted PATH strings please in the code?
Fine naming conventions these days determine that spaces are allowed in
path names. On almost every platform. Can we have this in openmeetings too
please?
For example - Windows is notorious for path names like "C:\Program
Files\program xxx", or even user created paths like "F:\My Websites"
If I install OM into a directory like "F:\My Websites\Domain Name\red5" ...
it simply wont work. It breaks on the first "<blank>" between "My" and
"Websites"
I have enough trouble setting the PATH variable for old-convention
software, that have to have the old 8.3 names, like "C:\Program~1\" name.
Ok, there are a few in my path, but surely this is something that the OM
code itself shouldn't have to worry about. Quoted paths have been around
for years now. Even like "C:\Program%20Files\" do it.
I really hate having to have every thing hanging off the C:\ (or F:\)
directory. ie; C:\red5.
It's not only a problem for Windows users, but it's nice to have open names
on Unix too, which I am pretty familiar with as well.
It makes for very untidy coding areas.
hope we can see some joy on this.
RE: Can we have fully quoted PATH strings please in the code?
Posted by Stephen Cottham <St...@robertbird.com.au>.
I can also confirm that paths with spaces work when compiling which was part of the Windows XP guide I wrote a couple of months back. – Robert I thought you used this guide when you built yours after you had initial problems with different Java versions installed?
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27838216/Installing+OM2.x+On+WindowsXP-7-2003-2008.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1339594617000
Best Regards
From: Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com]
Sent: 17 July 2012 11:17
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Can we have fully quoted PATH strings please in the code?
Java build is working fine on path with spaces (tested today on trunk) (Win7 x64 Ent)
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Robert Chalmers <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Sebastian,
Yes, uploading was one, and that was pretty difficult to pin down, but building on Windows is another.
No doubt there sre others I havent even found yet?
I see someone else is having trouble with their java location as well, and quite likely will still run into this problem.
Dont know if anything can actually be done about it, but its worth watching out for.
Cheers
Robert
-----
On 17/07/2012, at 7:44 PM, "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Robert,
I will review, however what have been your exact issues when installing with a space in the path name?
As far as I can remember the only issue might be uploading of documents.
What else did you find out?
Sebastian
2012/7/15 Robert Chalmers <ro...@gmail.com>
Hi George,
This has always been a bit of a pain, having to work around the spaces, but I also run other scripted programs, Moodle, Joomla, Wordpress, Drupal and a lot of other scripts, all of which happily live under F:/My Websites/
It's only OM I've had to build and run from C:/ based directories. Or at least the root of a drive anyway, like F:/
I think the only one of the others that gave me problems was Joomla, it needed the PATH variable set to the old naming convention of C:/Program~1/ for something before it would work.
I know its not really a major issue so long as one remembers the potential trap is there - it had me stuck for quite a while when I first tried putting OM together on the Windows box.
I can imagine there will be others who just quietly give up on it and say nothing.
At the least its a trap that could be highlighted in red somewhere maybe?
"If you install on Windows you MUST have no directories or filenames with spaces in them."
Cheers
Robert
-----
On 15/07/2012, at 8:50 PM, "George Kirkham" <gk...@co2crc.com.au> wrote:
Robert,
I don’t know if spaces in directory and file names is a problem with red5 or with Openmeetings, I guess the developers will comment later.
Due to the pain they have caused me, I very much I dislike spaces being used in directory and file names. I recommend to people never to use spaces in directories and file names, unless absolutely necessary.
I had to smile when I noticed that Vista and Windows 7 changed “C:\Documents and Settings” to “C:\Users”, but “C:\Program Files” continues to exist with a space in the directory name.
To overcome issues with programs that do not like spaces, I usually create a folder called “C:\Programs” and put my programs in this directory.
However this does not answer or address the issue that you raised, so hopefully someone will be able to give you answer.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
From: Robert Chalmers [mailto:robert.a.chalmers@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 15 July 2012 4:47 PM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Can we have fully quoted PATH strings please in the code?
Fine naming conventions these days determine that spaces are allowed in path names. On almost every platform. Can we have this in openmeetings too please?
For example - Windows is notorious for path names like "C:\Program Files\program xxx", or even user created paths like "F:\My Websites"
If I install OM into a directory like "F:\My Websites\Domain Name\red5" ... it simply wont work. It breaks on the first "<blank>" between "My" and "Websites"
I have enough trouble setting the PATH variable for old-convention software, that have to have the old 8.3 names, like "C:\Program~1\" name. Ok, there are a few in my path, but surely this is something that the OM code itself shouldn't have to worry about. Quoted paths have been around for years now. Even like "C:\Program%20Files\" do it.
I really hate having to have every thing hanging off the C:\ (or F:\) directory. ie; C:\red5.
It's not only a problem for Windows users, but it's nice to have open names on Unix too, which I am pretty familiar with as well.
It makes for very untidy coding areas.
hope we can see some joy on this.
--
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Re: Can we have fully quoted PATH strings please in the code?
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Java build is working fine on path with spaces (tested today on trunk)
(Win7 x64 Ent)
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Robert Chalmers <
robert.a.chalmers@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Sebastian,
> Yes, uploading was one, and that was pretty difficult to pin down, but
> building on Windows is another.
> No doubt there sre others I havent even found yet?
> I see someone else is having trouble with their java location as well, and
> quite likely will still run into this problem.
> Dont know if anything can actually be done about it, but its worth
> watching out for.
> Cheers
> Robert
>
>
> -----
>
>
> On 17/07/2012, at 7:44 PM, "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> I will review, however what have been your exact issues when installing
> with a space in the path name?
> As far as I can remember the only issue might be uploading of documents.
>
> What else did you find out?
>
> Sebastian
>
> 2012/7/15 Robert Chalmers <ro...@gmail.com>
>
>> Hi George,
>> This has always been a bit of a pain, having to work around the spaces,
>> but I also run other scripted programs, Moodle, Joomla, Wordpress, Drupal
>> and a lot of other scripts, all of which happily live under F:/My Websites/
>> It's only OM I've had to build and run from C:/ based directories. Or at
>> least the root of a drive anyway, like F:/
>> I think the only one of the others that gave me problems was Joomla, it
>> needed the PATH variable set to the old naming convention of C:/Program~1/
>> for something before it would work.
>> I know its not really a major issue so long as one remembers the
>> potential trap is there - it had me stuck for quite a while when I first
>> tried putting OM together on the Windows box.
>> I can imagine there will be others who just quietly give up on it and say
>> nothing.
>> At the least its a trap that could be highlighted in red somewhere maybe?
>> "If you install on Windows you MUST have no directories or filenames with
>> spaces in them."
>>
>> Cheers
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> -----
>>
>>
>> On 15/07/2012, at 8:50 PM, "George Kirkham" <gk...@co2crc.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Robert,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I don’t know if spaces in directory and file names is a problem with red5
>> or with Openmeetings, I guess the developers will comment later.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Due to the pain they have caused me, I very much I dislike spaces being
>> used in directory and file names. I recommend to people never to use
>> spaces in directories and file names, unless absolutely necessary.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I had to smile when I noticed that Vista and Windows 7 changed
>> “C:\Documents and Settings” to “C:\Users”, but “C:\Program Files” continues
>> to exist with a space in the directory name.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> To overcome issues with programs that do not like spaces, I usually
>> create a folder called “C:\Programs” and put my programs in this directory.
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> However this does not answer or address the issue that you raised, so
>> hopefully someone will be able to give you answer.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thanks,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> George Kirkham****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Robert Chalmers [mailto:robert.a.chalmers@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 15 July 2012 4:47 PM
>> *To:* openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Can we have fully quoted PATH strings please in the code?****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Fine naming conventions these days determine that spaces are allowed in
>> path names. On almost every platform. Can we have this in openmeetings too
>> please?****
>>
>> For example - Windows is notorious for path names like "C:\Program
>> Files\program xxx", or even user created paths like "F:\My Websites"****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> If I install OM into a directory like "F:\My Websites\Domain Name\red5"
>> ... it simply wont work. It breaks on the first "<blank>" between "My" and
>> "Websites"****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I have enough trouble setting the PATH variable for old-convention
>> software, that have to have the old 8.3 names, like "C:\Program~1\" name.
>> Ok, there are a few in my path, but surely this is something that the OM
>> code itself shouldn't have to worry about. Quoted paths have been around
>> for years now. Even like "C:\Program%20Files\" do it.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I really hate having to have every thing hanging off the C:\ (or F:\)
>> directory. ie; C:\red5.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> It's not only a problem for Windows users, but it's nice to have open
>> names on Unix too, which I am pretty familiar with as well.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> It makes for very untidy coding areas.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> hope we can see some joy on this.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.openmeetings.de
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
>
--
WBR
Maxim aka solomax
Re: Can we have fully quoted PATH strings please in the code?
Posted by Robert Chalmers <ro...@gmail.com>.
Hi Sebastian,
Yes, uploading was one, and that was pretty difficult to pin down, but building on Windows is another.
No doubt there sre others I havent even found yet?
I see someone else is having trouble with their java location as well, and quite likely will still run into this problem.
Dont know if anything can actually be done about it, but its worth watching out for.
Cheers
Robert
-----
On 17/07/2012, at 7:44 PM, "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> I will review, however what have been your exact issues when installing with a space in the path name?
> As far as I can remember the only issue might be uploading of documents.
>
> What else did you find out?
>
> Sebastian
>
> 2012/7/15 Robert Chalmers <ro...@gmail.com>
> Hi George,
> This has always been a bit of a pain, having to work around the spaces, but I also run other scripted programs, Moodle, Joomla, Wordpress, Drupal and a lot of other scripts, all of which happily live under F:/My Websites/
> It's only OM I've had to build and run from C:/ based directories. Or at least the root of a drive anyway, like F:/
> I think the only one of the others that gave me problems was Joomla, it needed the PATH variable set to the old naming convention of C:/Program~1/ for something before it would work.
> I know its not really a major issue so long as one remembers the potential trap is there - it had me stuck for quite a while when I first tried putting OM together on the Windows box.
> I can imagine there will be others who just quietly give up on it and say nothing.
> At the least its a trap that could be highlighted in red somewhere maybe?
> "If you install on Windows you MUST have no directories or filenames with spaces in them."
>
> Cheers
> Robert
>
>
> -----
>
>
> On 15/07/2012, at 8:50 PM, "George Kirkham" <gk...@co2crc.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Robert,
>>
>>
>>
>> I don��t know if spaces in directory and file names is a problem with red5 or with Openmeetings, I guess the developers will comment later.
>>
>>
>>
>> Due to the pain they have caused me, I very much I dislike spaces being used in directory and file names. I recommend to people never to use spaces in directories and file names, unless absolutely necessary.
>>
>>
>>
>> I had to smile when I noticed that Vista and Windows 7 changed ��C:\Documents and Settings�� to ��C:\Users��, but ��C:\Program Files�� continues to exist with a space in the directory name.
>>
>>
>>
>> To overcome issues with programs that do not like spaces, I usually create a folder called ��C:\Programs�� and put my programs in this directory.
>>
>>
>>
>> However this does not answer or address the issue that you raised, so hopefully someone will be able to give you answer.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> George Kirkham
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Robert Chalmers [mailto:robert.a.chalmers@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, 15 July 2012 4:47 PM
>> To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Can we have fully quoted PATH strings please in the code?
>>
>>
>>
>> Fine naming conventions these days determine that spaces are allowed in path names. On almost every platform. Can we have this in openmeetings too please?
>>
>> For example - Windows is notorious for path names like "C:\Program Files\program xxx", or even user created paths like "F:\My Websites"
>>
>>
>>
>> If I install OM into a directory like "F:\My Websites\Domain Name\red5" ... it simply wont work. It breaks on the first "<blank>" between "My" and "Websites"
>>
>>
>>
>> I have enough trouble setting the PATH variable for old-convention software, that have to have the old 8.3 names, like "C:\Program~1\" name. Ok, there are a few in my path, but surely this is something that the OM code itself shouldn't have to worry about. Quoted paths have been around for years now. Even like "C:\Program%20Files\" do it.
>>
>>
>>
>> I really hate having to have every thing hanging off the C:\ (or F:\) directory. ie; C:\red5.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's not only a problem for Windows users, but it's nice to have open names on Unix too, which I am pretty familiar with as well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> It makes for very untidy coding areas.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> hope we can see some joy on this.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.openmeetings.de
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: Can we have fully quoted PATH strings please in the code?
Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
Hi Robert,
I will review, however what have been your exact issues when installing
with a space in the path name?
As far as I can remember the only issue might be uploading of documents.
What else did you find out?
Sebastian
2012/7/15 Robert Chalmers <ro...@gmail.com>
> Hi George,
> This has always been a bit of a pain, having to work around the spaces,
> but I also run other scripted programs, Moodle, Joomla, Wordpress, Drupal
> and a lot of other scripts, all of which happily live under F:/My Websites/
> It's only OM I've had to build and run from C:/ based directories. Or at
> least the root of a drive anyway, like F:/
> I think the only one of the others that gave me problems was Joomla, it
> needed the PATH variable set to the old naming convention of C:/Program~1/
> for something before it would work.
> I know its not really a major issue so long as one remembers the potential
> trap is there - it had me stuck for quite a while when I first tried
> putting OM together on the Windows box.
> I can imagine there will be others who just quietly give up on it and say
> nothing.
> At the least its a trap that could be highlighted in red somewhere maybe?
> "If you install on Windows you MUST have no directories or filenames with
> spaces in them."
>
> Cheers
> Robert
>
>
> -----
>
>
> On 15/07/2012, at 8:50 PM, "George Kirkham" <gk...@co2crc.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> Robert,****
>
> ** **
>
> I don’t know if spaces in directory and file names is a problem with red5
> or with Openmeetings, I guess the developers will comment later.****
>
> ** **
>
> Due to the pain they have caused me, I very much I dislike spaces being
> used in directory and file names. I recommend to people never to use
> spaces in directories and file names, unless absolutely necessary.****
>
> ** **
>
> I had to smile when I noticed that Vista and Windows 7 changed
> “C:\Documents and Settings” to “C:\Users”, but “C:\Program Files” continues
> to exist with a space in the directory name.****
>
> ** **
>
> To overcome issues with programs that do not like spaces, I usually create
> a folder called “C:\Programs” and put my programs in this directory. ****
>
> ** **
>
> However this does not answer or address the issue that you raised, so
> hopefully someone will be able to give you answer.****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks,****
>
> ** **
>
> George Kirkham****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Robert Chalmers [mailto:robert.a.chalmers@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, 15 July 2012 4:47 PM
> *To:* openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Can we have fully quoted PATH strings please in the code?****
>
> ** **
>
> Fine naming conventions these days determine that spaces are allowed in
> path names. On almost every platform. Can we have this in openmeetings too
> please?****
>
> For example - Windows is notorious for path names like "C:\Program
> Files\program xxx", or even user created paths like "F:\My Websites"****
>
> ** **
>
> If I install OM into a directory like "F:\My Websites\Domain Name\red5"
> ... it simply wont work. It breaks on the first "<blank>" between "My" and
> "Websites"****
>
> ** **
>
> I have enough trouble setting the PATH variable for old-convention
> software, that have to have the old 8.3 names, like "C:\Program~1\" name.
> Ok, there are a few in my path, but surely this is something that the OM
> code itself shouldn't have to worry about. Quoted paths have been around
> for years now. Even like "C:\Program%20Files\" do it.****
>
> ** **
>
> I really hate having to have every thing hanging off the C:\ (or F:\)
> directory. ie; C:\red5.****
>
> ** **
>
> It's not only a problem for Windows users, but it's nice to have open
> names on Unix too, which I am pretty familiar with as well.****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> It makes for very untidy coding areas.****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> hope we can see some joy on this.****
>
> ** **
>
>
--
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.openmeetings.de
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: Can we have fully quoted PATH strings please in the code?
Posted by Robert Chalmers <ro...@gmail.com>.
Hi George,
This has always been a bit of a pain, having to work around the spaces, but I also run other scripted programs, Moodle, Joomla, Wordpress, Drupal and a lot of other scripts, all of which happily live under F:/My Websites/
It's only OM I've had to build and run from C:/ based directories. Or at least the root of a drive anyway, like F:/
I think the only one of the others that gave me problems was Joomla, it needed the PATH variable set to the old naming convention of C:/Program~1/ for something before it would work.
I know its not really a major issue so long as one remembers the potential trap is there - it had me stuck for quite a while when I first tried putting OM together on the Windows box.
I can imagine there will be others who just quietly give up on it and say nothing.
At the least its a trap that could be highlighted in red somewhere maybe?
"If you install on Windows you MUST have no directories or filenames with spaces in them."
Cheers
Robert
-----
On 15/07/2012, at 8:50 PM, "George Kirkham" <gk...@co2crc.com.au> wrote:
> Robert,
>
> I don��t know if spaces in directory and file names is a problem with red5 or with Openmeetings, I guess the developers will comment later.
>
> Due to the pain they have caused me, I very much I dislike spaces being used in directory and file names. I recommend to people never to use spaces in directories and file names, unless absolutely necessary.
>
> I had to smile when I noticed that Vista and Windows 7 changed ��C:\Documents and Settings�� to ��C:\Users��, but ��C:\Program Files�� continues to exist with a space in the directory name.
>
> To overcome issues with programs that do not like spaces, I usually create a folder called ��C:\Programs�� and put my programs in this directory.
>
> However this does not answer or address the issue that you raised, so hopefully someone will be able to give you answer.
>
> Thanks,
>
> George Kirkham
>
>
>
> From: Robert Chalmers [mailto:robert.a.chalmers@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, 15 July 2012 4:47 PM
> To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Can we have fully quoted PATH strings please in the code?
>
> Fine naming conventions these days determine that spaces are allowed in path names. On almost every platform. Can we have this in openmeetings too please?
> For example - Windows is notorious for path names like "C:\Program Files\program xxx", or even user created paths like "F:\My Websites"
>
> If I install OM into a directory like "F:\My Websites\Domain Name\red5" ... it simply wont work. It breaks on the first "<blank>" between "My" and "Websites"
>
> I have enough trouble setting the PATH variable for old-convention software, that have to have the old 8.3 names, like "C:\Program~1\" name. Ok, there are a few in my path, but surely this is something that the OM code itself shouldn't have to worry about. Quoted paths have been around for years now. Even like "C:\Program%20Files\" do it.
>
> I really hate having to have every thing hanging off the C:\ (or F:\) directory. ie; C:\red5.
>
> It's not only a problem for Windows users, but it's nice to have open names on Unix too, which I am pretty familiar with as well.
>
>
> It makes for very untidy coding areas.
>
>
> hope we can see some joy on this.
>
RE: Can we have fully quoted PATH strings please in the code?
Posted by George Kirkham <gk...@co2crc.com.au>.
Robert,
I don’t know if spaces in directory and file names is a problem with red5 or with Openmeetings, I guess the developers will comment later.
Due to the pain they have caused me, I very much I dislike spaces being used in directory and file names. I recommend to people never to use spaces in directories and file names, unless absolutely necessary.
I had to smile when I noticed that Vista and Windows 7 changed “C:\Documents and Settings” to “C:\Users”, but “C:\Program Files” continues to exist with a space in the directory name.
To overcome issues with programs that do not like spaces, I usually create a folder called “C:\Programs” and put my programs in this directory.
However this does not answer or address the issue that you raised, so hopefully someone will be able to give you answer.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
From: Robert Chalmers [mailto:robert.a.chalmers@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 15 July 2012 4:47 PM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Can we have fully quoted PATH strings please in the code?
Fine naming conventions these days determine that spaces are allowed in path names. On almost every platform. Can we have this in openmeetings too please?
For example - Windows is notorious for path names like "C:\Program Files\program xxx", or even user created paths like "F:\My Websites"
If I install OM into a directory like "F:\My Websites\Domain Name\red5" ... it simply wont work. It breaks on the first "<blank>" between "My" and "Websites"
I have enough trouble setting the PATH variable for old-convention software, that have to have the old 8.3 names, like "C:\Program~1\" name. Ok, there are a few in my path, but surely this is something that the OM code itself shouldn't have to worry about. Quoted paths have been around for years now. Even like "C:\Program%20Files\" do it.
I really hate having to have every thing hanging off the C:\ (or F:\) directory. ie; C:\red5.
It's not only a problem for Windows users, but it's nice to have open names on Unix too, which I am pretty familiar with as well.
It makes for very untidy coding areas.
hope we can see some joy on this.