RE: URGENT - Help defending Struts [slightly off-topic]

[ajay brar <aj...@hotmail.com>]

hi!

i was going to take this opportunity to point out how CIO's are generally 
big duds, esp the CIO in Accenture, who is an even greater dud going by what 
little contact i have had with Accenture staff.

why? well there was this project i did as part of uni which used Struts and 
the accenture person chose another project that just mentioned the 
likelihood of using MS Biztalk and that was enough for a 1st prize. Seems 
Apache is not as well thought of as MS. Or so was my experience.

so i'm surprised to learn that Accenture uses Struts all the time.

but with CIO's from my experience, most of them belong to another era and 
just have difficulty coming to terms with how stuff is done today, and 
having no clue of that, they just content themselves with raising as many 
hurdles as possible. Moreover they have deep reservations for any software 
which is open source and/or free.

well thats my $0.02




>From: russell.c.friedberg@accenture.com
>Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
>To: <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
>Subject: RE: URGENT - Help defending Struts
>Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:28:05 -0600
>
>Sorry about that - Joe caught a Freudian slip in my mail.  It is the
>client CIO (I tend to slip that way and think of him as mine).
>Accenture uses Struts all of the time (we use it in our base offering -
>that is why we want to use it here).
>
>Sorry for the confusion.
>
>Thanks again to everyone,
>Russell
>
>russell.c.friedberg@accenture.com
>310-426-5587
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Germuska [mailto:Joe@Germuska.com]
>Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:13 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: Re: URGENT - Help defending Struts
>Importance: High
>
> >Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is
>not
> >widely used in B2C sites.  Does anyone know of any sites, preferably
> >commerce sites that are using Struts?  This would be extremely helpful.
>
>The CIO of a company as big as Accenture is going to decide whether
>Struts should be used or not based on whether or not anyone else is
>doing it?
>
>That's pretty weak.  You'd think he'd at least have some trusted
>technology advisers that could help him decide based on the merits
>instead of just watching the crowds.  Isn't innovation a big buzzword
>for consulting companies like that?
>
>My last project, a collaborative commerce project with a major lawn
>and garden equipment manufacturer, is built entirely upon Struts, and
>is already available for dealer registration; the public should be
>able to use the client's site to purchase tractors and accessories
>from local dealers in Q1 2004.  My company has also developed a
>number of applications in the home appliances industry for direct to
>consumer and manufacturer-collaborative appliance sales which were
>either built from the ground up with Struts, or are gradually being
>ported to Struts.
>
>We also use Struts to run the primary consumer facing sites for
>companies in home furniture, office furniture, and personal
>healthcare products which don't currently have commerce components.
>
>But hey, if he wants you to write your own web application frameworks
>from the ground up, and internally perform all the testing that a
>large user community has already done on the Struts codebase and
>train all your new employees on the internal way to do it instead of
>hiring people who might come in already experienced in a
>framework....  well, that's one way to do it.
>
>Joe
>--
>Joe Germuska
>Joe@Germuska.com
>http://blog.germuska.com
>   "We want beef in dessert if we can get it there."
>    -- Betty Hogan, Director of New Product Development, National
>Cattlemen's Beef Association
>
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Re: URGENT - Help defending Struts [slightly off-topic]

[Brice Ruth <br...@fiskars.com>]

This is entirely inappropriate for this list, please take comments such 
as these off-line with interested parties. Please keep posts to this 
list professional and above-board.

ajay brar wrote:

> hi!
>
> i was going to take this opportunity to point out how CIO's are 
> generally big duds, esp the CIO in Accenture, who is an even greater 
> dud going by what little contact i have had with Accenture staff.
>
> why? well there was this project i did as part of uni which used 
> Struts and the accenture person chose another project that just 
> mentioned the likelihood of using MS Biztalk and that was enough for a 
> 1st prize. Seems Apache is not as well thought of as MS. Or so was my 
> experience.
>
> so i'm surprised to learn that Accenture uses Struts all the time.
>
> but with CIO's from my experience, most of them belong to another era 
> and just have difficulty coming to terms with how stuff is done today, 
> and having no clue of that, they just content themselves with raising 
> as many hurdles as possible. Moreover they have deep reservations for 
> any software which is open source and/or free.
>
> well thats my $0.02
>
>
>
>
>> From: russell.c.friedberg@accenture.com
>> Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
>> To: <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
>> Subject: RE: URGENT - Help defending Struts
>> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:28:05 -0600
>>
>> Sorry about that - Joe caught a Freudian slip in my mail.  It is the
>> client CIO (I tend to slip that way and think of him as mine).
>> Accenture uses Struts all of the time (we use it in our base offering -
>> that is why we want to use it here).
>>
>> Sorry for the confusion.
>>
>> Thanks again to everyone,
>> Russell
>>
>> russell.c.friedberg@accenture.com
>> 310-426-5587
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joe Germuska [mailto:Joe@Germuska.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:13 AM
>> To: Struts Users Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: URGENT - Help defending Struts
>> Importance: High
>>
>> >Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is
>> not
>> >widely used in B2C sites.  Does anyone know of any sites, preferably
>> >commerce sites that are using Struts?  This would be extremely helpful.
>>
>> The CIO of a company as big as Accenture is going to decide whether
>> Struts should be used or not based on whether or not anyone else is
>> doing it?
>>
>> That's pretty weak.  You'd think he'd at least have some trusted
>> technology advisers that could help him decide based on the merits
>> instead of just watching the crowds.  Isn't innovation a big buzzword
>> for consulting companies like that?
>>
>> My last project, a collaborative commerce project with a major lawn
>> and garden equipment manufacturer, is built entirely upon Struts, and
>> is already available for dealer registration; the public should be
>> able to use the client's site to purchase tractors and accessories
>> from local dealers in Q1 2004.  My company has also developed a
>> number of applications in the home appliances industry for direct to
>> consumer and manufacturer-collaborative appliance sales which were
>> either built from the ground up with Struts, or are gradually being
>> ported to Struts.
>>
>> We also use Struts to run the primary consumer facing sites for
>> companies in home furniture, office furniture, and personal
>> healthcare products which don't currently have commerce components.
>>
>> But hey, if he wants you to write your own web application frameworks
>> from the ground up, and internally perform all the testing that a
>> large user community has already done on the Struts codebase and
>> train all your new employees on the internal way to do it instead of
>> hiring people who might come in already experienced in a
>> framework....  well, that's one way to do it.
>>
>> Joe
>> -- 
>> Joe Germuska
>> Joe@Germuska.com
>> http://blog.germuska.com
>>   "We want beef in dessert if we can get it there."
>>    -- Betty Hogan, Director of New Product Development, National
>> Cattlemen's Beef Association
>>
>>
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