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[DISCUSS] PMC Chair of Dubbo
Hi All,
According to [1], in the "Preparing a Charter" section, we need to
decide PMC chair.
This is previously discussed on the "[DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
Dubbo(incubating) as a Top Level Project" thread, but it looks like it
is easily ignored. Therefore I am starting a dedicated thread to
discuss this.
I personally am suggesting Ian Luo as PMC chair. Ian is leading the
Dubbo project, and has rich experience in RPC/service framework. I
think he is the best candidate.
How do others think?
[1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
--
Best Regards！
Huxing
Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair of Dubbo
Posted by 华 钟明 <cr...@gmail.com>.
+1 Agree！
Best Regards！
Zhongming Hua
在 2019/4/4 上午10:33，“LiZhenNet”<li...@gmail.com> 写入:
Agree
Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> 于2019年4月4日周四 上午10:27写道：
> Hi All,
>
> According to [1], in the "Preparing a Charter" section, we need to
> decide PMC chair.
> This is previously discussed on the "[DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
> Dubbo(incubating) as a Top Level Project" thread, but it looks like it
> is easily ignored. Therefore I am starting a dedicated thread to
> discuss this.
>
> I personally am suggesting Ian Luo as PMC chair. Ian is leading the
> Dubbo project, and has rich experience in RPC/service framework. I
> think he is the best candidate.
>
> How do others think?
>
> [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> --
> Best Regards！
> Huxing
>
Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair of Dubbo
Posted by LiZhenNet <li...@gmail.com>.
Agree
Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> 于2019年4月4日周四 上午10:27写道：
> Hi All,
>
> According to [1], in the "Preparing a Charter" section, we need to
> decide PMC chair.
> This is previously discussed on the "[DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
> Dubbo(incubating) as a Top Level Project" thread, but it looks like it
> is easily ignored. Therefore I am starting a dedicated thread to
> discuss this.
>
> I personally am suggesting Ian Luo as PMC chair. Ian is leading the
> Dubbo project, and has rich experience in RPC/service framework. I
> think he is the best candidate.
>
> How do others think?
>
> [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> --
> Best Regards！
> Huxing
>
Re:Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair of Dubbo
Posted by 秦金卫 <ki...@163.com>.
+1 to Ian Luo as PMC chair
Luo has rich experience in service framework and combine more and more persons in community.
It's wonderful.
在 2019-04-04 16:49:58，"徐靖峰" <ki...@foxmail.com> 写道：
>V587, more than agree.
>
>> 在 2019年4月4日，下午1:04，Yuhao Bi <bi...@apache.org> 写道：
>>
>> +1 to Ian Luo as PMC chair
>>
>> Yuhao Bi
>>
>> Xin Wang <xi...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月4日周四 上午11:02写道：
>>
>>> + 1 to support Ian Luo to become the PMC chair
>>>
>>>
>>> Jun Liu <li...@apache.org> 于2019年4月4日周四 上午10:59写道：
>>>
>>>> He is also the right person for PMC chair in my mind.
>>>>
>>>> Jun
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 4, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> According to [1], in the "Preparing a Charter" section, we need to
>>>>> decide PMC chair.
>>>>> This is previously discussed on the "[DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
>>>>> Dubbo(incubating) as a Top Level Project" thread, but it looks like it
>>>>> is easily ignored. Therefore I am starting a dedicated thread to
>>>>> discuss this.
>>>>>
>>>>> I personally am suggesting Ian Luo as PMC chair. Ian is leading the
>>>>> Dubbo project, and has rich experience in RPC/service framework. I
>>>>> think he is the best candidate.
>>>>>
>>>>> How do others think?
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best Regards！
>>>>> Huxing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair of Dubbo
Posted by 徐靖峰 <ki...@foxmail.com>.
V587, more than agree.
> 在 2019年4月4日，下午1:04，Yuhao Bi <bi...@apache.org> 写道：
>
> +1 to Ian Luo as PMC chair
>
> Yuhao Bi
>
> Xin Wang <xi...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月4日周四 上午11:02写道：
>
>> + 1 to support Ian Luo to become the PMC chair
>>
>>
>> Jun Liu <li...@apache.org> 于2019年4月4日周四 上午10:59写道：
>>
>>> He is also the right person for PMC chair in my mind.
>>>
>>> Jun
>>>
>>>> On Apr 4, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> According to [1], in the "Preparing a Charter" section, we need to
>>>> decide PMC chair.
>>>> This is previously discussed on the "[DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
>>>> Dubbo(incubating) as a Top Level Project" thread, but it looks like it
>>>> is easily ignored. Therefore I am starting a dedicated thread to
>>>> discuss this.
>>>>
>>>> I personally am suggesting Ian Luo as PMC chair. Ian is leading the
>>>> Dubbo project, and has rich experience in RPC/service framework. I
>>>> think he is the best candidate.
>>>>
>>>> How do others think?
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>>>> --
>>>> Best Regards！
>>>> Huxing
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair of Dubbo
Posted by Yuhao Bi <bi...@apache.org>.
+1 to Ian Luo as PMC chair
Yuhao Bi
Xin Wang <xi...@gmail.com> 于2019年4月4日周四 上午11:02写道：
> + 1 to support Ian Luo to become the PMC chair
>
>
> Jun Liu <li...@apache.org> 于2019年4月4日周四 上午10:59写道：
>
> > He is also the right person for PMC chair in my mind.
> >
> > Jun
> >
> > > On Apr 4, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > According to [1], in the "Preparing a Charter" section, we need to
> > > decide PMC chair.
> > > This is previously discussed on the "[DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
> > > Dubbo(incubating) as a Top Level Project" thread, but it looks like it
> > > is easily ignored. Therefore I am starting a dedicated thread to
> > > discuss this.
> > >
> > > I personally am suggesting Ian Luo as PMC chair. Ian is leading the
> > > Dubbo project, and has rich experience in RPC/service framework. I
> > > think he is the best candidate.
> > >
> > > How do others think?
> > >
> > > [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> > > --
> > > Best Regards！
> > > Huxing
> >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair of Dubbo
Posted by Xin Wang <xi...@gmail.com>.
+ 1 to support Ian Luo to become the PMC chair
Jun Liu <li...@apache.org> 于2019年4月4日周四 上午10:59写道：
> He is also the right person for PMC chair in my mind.
>
> Jun
>
> > On Apr 4, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > According to [1], in the "Preparing a Charter" section, we need to
> > decide PMC chair.
> > This is previously discussed on the "[DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
> > Dubbo(incubating) as a Top Level Project" thread, but it looks like it
> > is easily ignored. Therefore I am starting a dedicated thread to
> > discuss this.
> >
> > I personally am suggesting Ian Luo as PMC chair. Ian is leading the
> > Dubbo project, and has rich experience in RPC/service framework. I
> > think he is the best candidate.
> >
> > How do others think?
> >
> > [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> > --
> > Best Regards！
> > Huxing
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair of Dubbo
Posted by Jun Liu <li...@apache.org>.
He is also the right person for PMC chair in my mind.
Jun
> On Apr 4, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> According to [1], in the "Preparing a Charter" section, we need to
> decide PMC chair.
> This is previously discussed on the "[DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
> Dubbo(incubating) as a Top Level Project" thread, but it looks like it
> is easily ignored. Therefore I am starting a dedicated thread to
> discuss this.
>
> I personally am suggesting Ian Luo as PMC chair. Ian is leading the
> Dubbo project, and has rich experience in RPC/service framework. I
> think he is the best candidate.
>
> How do others think?
>
> [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> --
> Best Regards！
> Huxing
Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair of Dubbo
Posted by Zonghai Shang <yi...@apache.org>.
+1 Ian Luo as PMC chair
Ian Luo is the founder of Apache Dubbo project and an expert in RPC. I have
communicated with him before, and I admire his accumulation in this field.
-yiji
Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> 于2019年4月4日周四 上午10:27写道：
> Hi All,
>
> According to [1], in the "Preparing a Charter" section, we need to
> decide PMC chair.
> This is previously discussed on the "[DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
> Dubbo(incubating) as a Top Level Project" thread, but it looks like it
> is easily ignored. Therefore I am starting a dedicated thread to
> discuss this.
>
> I personally am suggesting Ian Luo as PMC chair. Ian is leading the
> Dubbo project, and has rich experience in RPC/service framework. I
> think he is the best candidate.
>
> How do others think?
>
> [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> --
> Best Regards！
> Huxing
>
Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair of Dubbo
Posted by Ian Luo <ia...@gmail.com>.
From Mark's description, it looks quite a big challenge to me. In the past,
I focus more on driving this project forward from the perspective of
technique which apparent interests me very much. The most benefit I
received from this incubating practice is that I have truly believed
'community over code'. I'd like to give it a try if the board accepts the
proposal, and hope to contribute more by wearing this 'admin' hat.
Regards,
-Ian.
On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 11:42 PM Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 5:42 PM Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 04/04/2019 03:26, Huxing Zhang wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > According to [1], in the "Preparing a Charter" section, we need to
> > > decide PMC chair.
> >
> > Just to nitpick here.
> >
> > The PMC does not decide on who is the chair. The board does.
> >
> > The PMC makes a recommendation to the board as to who should be
> > appointed the PMC chair. The board nearly always accepts that
> > recommendation.
>
> Understand, what I mean is to decide the recommendation :-)
>
> >
> > > This is previously discussed on the "[DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
> > > Dubbo(incubating) as a Top Level Project" thread, but it looks like it
> > > is easily ignored. Therefore I am starting a dedicated thread to
> > > discuss this.
> > >
> > > I personally am suggesting Ian Luo as PMC chair. Ian is leading the
> > > Dubbo project, and has rich experience in RPC/service framework. I
> > > think he is the best candidate.
> >
> > Leading is a word that always makes me nervous around ASF projects.
>
> By saying leading, I mean to say skills like technical foresight,
> sophisticated understanding of the architecture and underlying
> implementation, and etc. to drive the project forward.
> I think every project/community will have one or more folk like this.
> I do not mean to say one has more power over others. In Apache, all
> the PMC members are equal.
>
> >
> > The role of PMC chair is an unusual one. PMC chairs are officers of the
> > foundation and, as such, have quite a lot of authority. However, if they
> > ever need to use that authority then it usually means things have gone
> > very badly wrong.
>
> Just adding some more information about what PMC chair is, and what it
> the responsibility.
>
> PMC CHAIR
> The Chair of a Project Management Committee (PMC) is appointed by the
> Board from the PMC Members. The PMC as a whole is the entity that
> controls and leads the project. The Chair is the interface between the
> Board and the Project. PMC Chairs have specific duties[1][2], which is
> briefly described here:
> - SUBSCRIBE TO THE BOARD@ MAILING LIST
> - REVIEW BOARD MEETING MINUTES ABOUT THEIR PROJECT
> - ENSURE THE PROJECT'S QUARTERLY BOARD REPORT IS SUBMITTED
> - ENSURE NEW COMMITTER REQUESTS ARE MADE
> - SEND NOTICES AND FOLLOWUP WHEN ADDING NEW PMC MEMBERS
> - MAINTAIN ASF RECORDS ON THE PMC ROSTER
>
> [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
> [2]
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/foundation/officers/advice-for-new-pmc-chairs.txt
>
> >
> > If everything is working as it should, the role of PMC chair is mostly
> > an admin role. Applying for new accounts, writing quarterly reports, etc.
> >
> > The most important part of a PMC chair's role is to write quarterly
> > reports for the board that *accurately* describe the current state of
> > the project community. Note: not the technical state of the project, but
> > the state of the project community. I'd strongly recommend reading
> > through the minutes of the last few board meetings to get an idea of
> > what makes a good project report in the eyes of the board.
>
> I have added the link here[3] so that the community can take a look.
>
> [3]
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2019/board_minutes_2019_02_20.txt
>
> >
> > Mark
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards！
> Huxing
>
Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair of Dubbo
Posted by Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 5:42 PM Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On 04/04/2019 03:26, Huxing Zhang wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > According to [1], in the "Preparing a Charter" section, we need to
> > decide PMC chair.
>
> Just to nitpick here.
>
> The PMC does not decide on who is the chair. The board does.
>
> The PMC makes a recommendation to the board as to who should be
> appointed the PMC chair. The board nearly always accepts that
> recommendation.
Understand, what I mean is to decide the recommendation :-)
>
> > This is previously discussed on the "[DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
> > Dubbo(incubating) as a Top Level Project" thread, but it looks like it
> > is easily ignored. Therefore I am starting a dedicated thread to
> > discuss this.
> >
> > I personally am suggesting Ian Luo as PMC chair. Ian is leading the
> > Dubbo project, and has rich experience in RPC/service framework. I
> > think he is the best candidate.
>
> Leading is a word that always makes me nervous around ASF projects.
By saying leading, I mean to say skills like technical foresight,
sophisticated understanding of the architecture and underlying
implementation, and etc. to drive the project forward.
I think every project/community will have one or more folk like this.
I do not mean to say one has more power over others. In Apache, all
the PMC members are equal.
>
> The role of PMC chair is an unusual one. PMC chairs are officers of the
> foundation and, as such, have quite a lot of authority. However, if they
> ever need to use that authority then it usually means things have gone
> very badly wrong.
Just adding some more information about what PMC chair is, and what it
the responsibility.
PMC CHAIR
The Chair of a Project Management Committee (PMC) is appointed by the
Board from the PMC Members. The PMC as a whole is the entity that
controls and leads the project. The Chair is the interface between the
Board and the Project. PMC Chairs have specific duties[1][2], which is
briefly described here:
- SUBSCRIBE TO THE BOARD@ MAILING LIST
- REVIEW BOARD MEETING MINUTES ABOUT THEIR PROJECT
- ENSURE THE PROJECT'S QUARTERLY BOARD REPORT IS SUBMITTED
- ENSURE NEW COMMITTER REQUESTS ARE MADE
- SEND NOTICES AND FOLLOWUP WHEN ADDING NEW PMC MEMBERS
- MAINTAIN ASF RECORDS ON THE PMC ROSTER
[1] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
[2] https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/foundation/officers/advice-for-new-pmc-chairs.txt
>
> If everything is working as it should, the role of PMC chair is mostly
> an admin role. Applying for new accounts, writing quarterly reports, etc.
>
> The most important part of a PMC chair's role is to write quarterly
> reports for the board that *accurately* describe the current state of
> the project community. Note: not the technical state of the project, but
> the state of the project community. I'd strongly recommend reading
> through the minutes of the last few board meetings to get an idea of
> what makes a good project report in the eyes of the board.
I have added the link here[3] so that the community can take a look.
[3] http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2019/board_minutes_2019_02_20.txt
>
> Mark
--
Best Regards！
Huxing
Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair of Dubbo
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 04/04/2019 03:26, Huxing Zhang wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> According to [1], in the "Preparing a Charter" section, we need to
> decide PMC chair.
Just to nitpick here.
The PMC does not decide on who is the chair. The board does.
The PMC makes a recommendation to the board as to who should be
appointed the PMC chair. The board nearly always accepts that
recommendation.
> This is previously discussed on the "[DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
> Dubbo(incubating) as a Top Level Project" thread, but it looks like it
> is easily ignored. Therefore I am starting a dedicated thread to
> discuss this.
>
> I personally am suggesting Ian Luo as PMC chair. Ian is leading the
> Dubbo project, and has rich experience in RPC/service framework. I
> think he is the best candidate.
Leading is a word that always makes me nervous around ASF projects.
The role of PMC chair is an unusual one. PMC chairs are officers of the
foundation and, as such, have quite a lot of authority. However, if they
ever need to use that authority then it usually means things have gone
very badly wrong.
If everything is working as it should, the role of PMC chair is mostly
an admin role. Applying for new accounts, writing quarterly reports, etc.
The most important part of a PMC chair's role is to write quarterly
reports for the board that *accurately* describe the current state of
the project community. Note: not the technical state of the project, but
the state of the project community. I'd strongly recommend reading
through the minutes of the last few board meetings to get an idea of
what makes a good project report in the eyes of the board.
Mark
Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair of Dubbo
Posted by Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org>.
Hi All,
I think the community has reached as consensus here.
I will continue to draft graduation resolution with Ian Luo as PMC chair.
On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 10:26 AM Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> According to [1], in the "Preparing a Charter" section, we need to
> decide PMC chair.
> This is previously discussed on the "[DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
> Dubbo(incubating) as a Top Level Project" thread, but it looks like it
> is easily ignored. Therefore I am starting a dedicated thread to
> discuss this.
>
> I personally am suggesting Ian Luo as PMC chair. Ian is leading the
> Dubbo project, and has rich experience in RPC/service framework. I
> think he is the best candidate.
>
> How do others think?
>
> [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> --
> Best Regards！
> Huxing
--
Best Regards！
Huxing