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Posted to user@jspwiki.apache.org by Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> on 2012/06/29 17:32:25 UTC
JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Hi All,
Referring to the notes here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSPWiki
Any suggestions about how to get it back? I don't think this is quite
right - and certainly does no good for the visibility of the
application. Happy to pitch in if needed...
Cheers,
--
Dave Koelmeyer
http://www.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Jim Willeke <ji...@willeke.com>.
You should be able to simply recreate the page without any conflict.
The contant, must be verifiable (include references) and not contain
copyrighted material or the page maybe deleted again.
--
-jim
Jim Willeke
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Dave Koelmeyer <
dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Referring to the notes here:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**JSPWiki<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSPWiki>
>
> Any suggestions about how to get it back? I don't think this is quite
> right - and certainly does no good for the visibility of the application.
> Happy to pitch in if needed...
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Dave Koelmeyer
> http://www.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
>
>
Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Karl Skibinski <ch...@40.to>.
Hi everyone!
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 01:11:03PM +0200, Mike wrote:
> I would ask them, "What makes MoinMoin or MediaWiki more notable than
> JSPWiki?" after all, iirc JSPWiki was, at one stage, the default wiki
At least MediaWiki is the software wikipedia runs on. So I think that
makes it kind of notable. ;-)
Greetings, KS!
Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Mike <mi...@gmail.com>.
On 08/08/2012 10:36, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
> Sigh. I don't think anything is going to satisfy that editor anytime
> soon.
I would ask them, "What makes MoinMoin or MediaWiki more notable than
JSPWiki?" after all, iirc JSPWiki was, at one stage, the default wiki
included in MacOS. If notability it a real issue, then the ONLY wiki
worthy of inclusion would be WardsWiki, imho.
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Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Quinn Fissler <qf...@gmail.com>.
An author was told he "was not a credible source" to provide info about his
book.
Roth rebukes Wikipedia over edit
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19527797
Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Quinn Fissler <qf...@gmail.com>.
Sorry if a little off topic, but I thought it an interesting window into
the world of the wikipedia
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/features/what-has-wikipedias-army-of-volunteer-editors-got-against-kate-middletons-wedding-gown-8050397.html
On 14 August 2012 08:21, Christophe Dupriez <
christophe.dupriez@poisoncentre.be> wrote:
> I tried even further without results:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade
>
> For those wanting to understand the issue more in depth, I suggest the
> following article from well known researchers:
> Deletion Discussions in Wikipedia: Decision Factors and Outcomes / Jodi
> Schneider et al. from DERI
> http://jodischneider.com/pubs/wikisym2012.pdf
>
> We will strike back... after Apache graduation !
>
> Christophe Dupriez
> Centre Antipoisons-Antigifcentrum
> C/o Hôpital Central de la Base Reine Astrid
> Rue Bruyn
> 1120 Bruxelles
> Belgique
> tel 32-(0)2.264.96.36
> fax 32-(0)2.264.96.46
> _____
>
> From: Dave Koelmeyer [mailto:dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz]
> To: jspwiki-user@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:33:24 +0200
> Subject: Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
>
> On 8/08/12 09:34 PM, Harry Metske wrote:
> > We already have something like that :
> http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiSites
> >
> > We could use it as a starting point, it probably needs some gardening.
> >
> > regards,
> > Harry
>
> Well, the Wikipedia page has been deleted, again. Personally I'm just
> now going to focus on the link Harry's provided above (one it becomes
> writeable again).
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Dave Koelmeyer
> http://www.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
>
>
>
Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Christophe Dupriez <ch...@poisoncentre.be>.
Bad news: their complete answer I got is at bottom of the following page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade
I propose we do not despair and make progress on Apache incubation before trying to rebuild a Wikipedia page.
Courage!
Christophe Dupriez
Centre Antipoisons-Antigifcentrum
C/o Hôpital Central de la Base Reine Astrid
Rue Bruyn
1120 Bruxelles
Belgique
tel 32-(0)2.264.96.36
fax 32-(0)2.264.96.46
_____
From: Dave Koelmeyer [mailto:dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz]
To: jspwiki-user@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:33:24 +0200
Subject: Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
On 8/08/12 09:34 PM, Harry Metske wrote:
> We already have something like that : http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiSites
>
> We could use it as a starting point, it probably needs some gardening.
>
> regards,
> Harry
Well, the Wikipedia page has been deleted, again. Personally I'm just
now going to focus on the link Harry's provided above (one it becomes
writeable again).
Cheers,
--
Dave Koelmeyer
http://www.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Christophe Dupriez <ch...@poisoncentre.be>.
I tried even further without results:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade
For those wanting to understand the issue more in depth, I suggest the following article from well known researchers:
Deletion Discussions in Wikipedia: Decision Factors and Outcomes / Jodi Schneider et al. from DERI
http://jodischneider.com/pubs/wikisym2012.pdf
We will strike back... after Apache graduation !
Christophe Dupriez
Centre Antipoisons-Antigifcentrum
C/o Hôpital Central de la Base Reine Astrid
Rue Bruyn
1120 Bruxelles
Belgique
tel 32-(0)2.264.96.36
fax 32-(0)2.264.96.46
_____
From: Dave Koelmeyer [mailto:dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz]
To: jspwiki-user@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:33:24 +0200
Subject: Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
On 8/08/12 09:34 PM, Harry Metske wrote:
> We already have something like that : http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiSites
>
> We could use it as a starting point, it probably needs some gardening.
>
> regards,
> Harry
Well, the Wikipedia page has been deleted, again. Personally I'm just
now going to focus on the link Harry's provided above (one it becomes
writeable again).
Cheers,
--
Dave Koelmeyer
http://www.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Christophe Dupriez <ch...@poisoncentre.be>.
Shame on them!
I wrote this to the deleter:
Hi! I added few days ago few explanations about why the JSPWiki community would had liked some tolerance and support before being deleted from Wikipedia.
The problem with deletion is that everything disappear, discussion included! I will not repeat here the arguments but please understand that if you work hard keeping Wikipedia coherent, there is also people working hard to make a nice open-source software, people who may not be proficient at documenting in Wikipedia. We are in the midst of Apache graduation and this is in a way too much to handle: please understand and put things in a way we can progress and not stumble. If you have precise requests, please do not hesitate to ask, we will make our best. [[Christophe Dupriez]]
Christophe Dupriez
Centre Antipoisons-Antigifcentrum
C/o Hôpital Central de la Base Reine Astrid
Rue Bruyn
1120 Bruxelles
Belgique
tel 32-(0)2.264.96.36
fax 32-(0)2.264.96.46
_____
From: Dave Koelmeyer [mailto:dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz]
To: jspwiki-user@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:33:24 +0200
Subject: Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
On 8/08/12 09:34 PM, Harry Metske wrote:
> We already have something like that : http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiSites
>
> We could use it as a starting point, it probably needs some gardening.
>
> regards,
> Harry
Well, the Wikipedia page has been deleted, again. Personally I'm just
now going to focus on the link Harry's provided above (one it becomes
writeable again).
Cheers,
--
Dave Koelmeyer
http://www.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>.
On 8/08/12 09:34 PM, Harry Metske wrote:
> We already have something like that : http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiSites
>
> We could use it as a starting point, it probably needs some gardening.
>
> regards,
> Harry
Well, the Wikipedia page has been deleted, again. Personally I'm just
now going to focus on the link Harry's provided above (one it becomes
writeable again).
Cheers,
--
Dave Koelmeyer
http://www.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
RE: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Christophe Dupriez <ch...@poisoncentre.be>.
I added this to the "Discussion" of the Wikipedia JSPWiki page:
Searching in Wikipedia, one can learn that JSPWiki is part of the history of Wikis development and also the basis of important Wikis like the ones of JBOSS and GlassFish. Generally speaking, the flexibility of JSPWiki, one of the rare amenable Java based Wiki software, has served many public institutions in opening their content to different community of practice (I was responsible for it at Belgium Poison Centre). The JSPWiki community will now do its best to document this and we therefore ask kindly for your help: free software development is difficult and it is the addition of good wills that makes it possible. Thank you! [[User:Christophe Dupriez]]
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Koelmeyer [mailto:dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz]
Sent: mercredi 8 août 2012 13:44
To: jspwiki-user@incubator.apache.org
Cc: Christophe Dupriez
Subject: Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
On 8/08/12 11:32 PM, Christophe Dupriez wrote:
> My 3 cents on this:
>
> 1) This provocation can be seen helpful in the sense that it pushes us to look and find some references.
>
> 2) Just to document other initiatives like JBoss Wiki, Wikipedia
> should document JSPWiki
>
> 3) Czarkoff has something to prove, nothing to do with a small group like ours or JSPWiki:
Hi Christophe,
Nice find - I knew something like this might have been the case. As for your other points, I totally agree - time to get to work :)
Cheers,
--
Dave Koelmeyer
http://www.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>.
On 8/08/12 11:32 PM, Christophe Dupriez wrote:
> My 3 cents on this:
>
> 1) This provocation can be seen helpful in the sense that it pushes us to look and find some references.
>
> 2) Just to document other initiatives like JBoss Wiki, Wikipedia should document JSPWiki
>
> 3) Czarkoff has something to prove, nothing to do with a small group like ours or JSPWiki:
Hi Christophe,
Nice find - I knew something like this might have been the case. As for
your other points, I totally agree - time to get to work :)
Cheers,
--
Dave Koelmeyer
http://www.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
RE: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Christophe Dupriez <ch...@poisoncentre.be>.
My 3 cents on this:
1) This provocation can be seen helpful in the sense that it pushes us to look and find some references.
2) Just to document other initiatives like JBoss Wiki, Wikipedia should document JSPWiki
3) Czarkoff has something to prove, nothing to do with a small group like ours or JSPWiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Czarkoff/essays/Businesses_are_rarely_notable
I suggest us be very careful to not feed an anger where we are not the real stake: to improve quietly the existing page (looking at German and French one) but, more important, by modifying other pages mentioning JSPWiki to make them point to it.
I suggest we find articles in Wikipedia which need to refer to JSPWiki and add links there...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_wikis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_JBoss_software
One very simple way to detect all the source links in Google Search:
site:en.wikipedia.org "jspwiki" -"JAMWiki JSPWIKI"
Another important step would be to interview Jane about the people he knows who forked JSPWiki or use it for humanitarian or very public uses... (Jane are you there?)
Christophe
-----Original Message-----
From: Roberto Venturi [mailto:Roven@Mercurio.It]
Sent: mercredi 8 août 2012 11:41
To: jspwiki-user@incubator.apache.org;Harry Metske
Subject: Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
It's a good idea, imho, but that page is actually read-only ;-)
When someone help me to write a page who, when called, set "Mickey Mouse" as wiki user and assign him to group "mouses". (see my email to jspwiki-dev M.L.) i will be happy to add my company to the list.
Good luck to JSPWiki,
Roberto
Quoting "Harry Metske" <ha...@gmail.com>:
> We already have something like that :
> http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiSites
>
> We could use it as a starting point, it probably needs some gardening.
>
> regards,
> Harry
>
> 2012/8/8, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez <ju...@gmail.com>:
>> Hi,
>>
>> if it's going to be deleted, we could also place that content under
>> http://incubator.apache.org/jspwiki/ under something like an "About"
>> page or so (like an extended Home). At least the content won't be lost..
>>
>> I'm thinking that we could also set up an "Used by" page at
>> incubator's site, holding references to people/companies using
>> JSPWiki, maybe that could help with the "notability" issue..
>>
>> WDYT?
>>
>>
>> br,
>> juan pablo
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Dave Koelmeyer <
>> dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/08/12 08:31 PM, Quinn Fissler wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you see that the nomination for deletion returned on the 27th?
>>>>
>>>> There's also a rhetorical question in the talk page
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Talk:JSPWiki<http://en.wikipedia.org
>>>> /wiki/Talk:JSPWiki>
>>>>
>>>> Sigh. I don't think anything is going to satisfy that editor
>>>> anytime
>>> soon. I think the only thing I can do is continue to promote JSPWiki
>>> out in the wild, and hopefully it becomes a bit more "notable" in
>>> the eyes of Wikipedia's notability guidelines.
>>>
>>> On a related note it would be great to see a bit more of a social
>>> networks presence from JSPWiki (Twitter, Facebook, and the like).
>>> Happy to step up and contribute if needed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave Koelmeyer
>>> http://www.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
>>>
>>>
>>
>
--
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Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Roberto Venturi <Ro...@Mercurio.It>.
It's a good idea, imho, but that page is actually read-only ;-)
When someone help me to write a page who, when called, set "Mickey
Mouse" as wiki user and assign him to group "mouses". (see my email to
jspwiki-dev M.L.) i will be happy to add my company to the list.
Good luck to JSPWiki,
Roberto
Quoting "Harry Metske" <ha...@gmail.com>:
> We already have something like that :
> http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiSites
>
> We could use it as a starting point, it probably needs some gardening.
>
> regards,
> Harry
>
> 2012/8/8, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez <ju...@gmail.com>:
>> Hi,
>>
>> if it's going to be deleted, we could also place that content under
>> http://incubator.apache.org/jspwiki/ under something like an "About" page
>> or so (like an extended Home). At least the content won't be lost..
>>
>> I'm thinking that we could also set up an "Used by" page at incubator's
>> site, holding references to people/companies using JSPWiki, maybe that
>> could help with the "notability" issue..
>>
>> WDYT?
>>
>>
>> br,
>> juan pablo
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Dave Koelmeyer <
>> dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/08/12 08:31 PM, Quinn Fissler wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you see that the nomination for deletion returned on the 27th?
>>>>
>>>> There's also a rhetorical question in the talk page
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Talk:JSPWiki<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:JSPWiki>
>>>>
>>>> Sigh. I don't think anything is going to satisfy that editor anytime
>>> soon. I think the only thing I can do is continue to promote JSPWiki out
>>> in
>>> the wild, and hopefully it becomes a bit more "notable" in the eyes of
>>> Wikipedia's notability guidelines.
>>>
>>> On a related note it would be great to see a bit more of a social
>>> networks
>>> presence from JSPWiki (Twitter, Facebook, and the like). Happy to step up
>>> and contribute if needed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave Koelmeyer
>>> http://www.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
>>>
>>>
>>
>
--
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Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Harry Metske <ha...@gmail.com>.
We already have something like that : http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiSites
We could use it as a starting point, it probably needs some gardening.
regards,
Harry
2012/8/8, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez <ju...@gmail.com>:
> Hi,
>
> if it's going to be deleted, we could also place that content under
> http://incubator.apache.org/jspwiki/ under something like an "About" page
> or so (like an extended Home). At least the content won't be lost..
>
> I'm thinking that we could also set up an "Used by" page at incubator's
> site, holding references to people/companies using JSPWiki, maybe that
> could help with the "notability" issue..
>
> WDYT?
>
>
> br,
> juan pablo
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Dave Koelmeyer <
> dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> On 8/08/12 08:31 PM, Quinn Fissler wrote:
>>
>>> Do you see that the nomination for deletion returned on the 27th?
>>>
>>> There's also a rhetorical question in the talk page
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Talk:JSPWiki<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:JSPWiki>
>>>
>>> Sigh. I don't think anything is going to satisfy that editor anytime
>> soon. I think the only thing I can do is continue to promote JSPWiki out
>> in
>> the wild, and hopefully it becomes a bit more "notable" in the eyes of
>> Wikipedia's notability guidelines.
>>
>> On a related note it would be great to see a bit more of a social
>> networks
>> presence from JSPWiki (Twitter, Facebook, and the like). Happy to step up
>> and contribute if needed.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> --
>> Dave Koelmeyer
>> http://www.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
>>
>>
>
Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
if it's going to be deleted, we could also place that content under
http://incubator.apache.org/jspwiki/ under something like an "About" page
or so (like an extended Home). At least the content won't be lost..
I'm thinking that we could also set up an "Used by" page at incubator's
site, holding references to people/companies using JSPWiki, maybe that
could help with the "notability" issue..
WDYT?
br,
juan pablo
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Dave Koelmeyer <
dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
> On 8/08/12 08:31 PM, Quinn Fissler wrote:
>
>> Do you see that the nomination for deletion returned on the 27th?
>>
>> There's also a rhetorical question in the talk page
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Talk:JSPWiki<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:JSPWiki>
>>
>> Sigh. I don't think anything is going to satisfy that editor anytime
> soon. I think the only thing I can do is continue to promote JSPWiki out in
> the wild, and hopefully it becomes a bit more "notable" in the eyes of
> Wikipedia's notability guidelines.
>
> On a related note it would be great to see a bit more of a social networks
> presence from JSPWiki (Twitter, Facebook, and the like). Happy to step up
> and contribute if needed.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Dave Koelmeyer
> http://www.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
>
>
Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>.
On 8/08/12 08:31 PM, Quinn Fissler wrote:
> Do you see that the nomination for deletion returned on the 27th?
>
> There's also a rhetorical question in the talk page
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:JSPWiki
>
Sigh. I don't think anything is going to satisfy that editor anytime
soon. I think the only thing I can do is continue to promote JSPWiki out
in the wild, and hopefully it becomes a bit more "notable" in the eyes
of Wikipedia's notability guidelines.
On a related note it would be great to see a bit more of a social
networks presence from JSPWiki (Twitter, Facebook, and the like). Happy
to step up and contribute if needed.
Cheers,
--
Dave Koelmeyer
http://www.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Quinn Fissler <qf...@gmail.com>.
Do you see that the nomination for deletion returned on the 27th?
There's also a rhetorical question in the talk page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:JSPWiki
Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by "lgilardoni61@gmail.com" <lg...@gmail.com>.
A couple of pointers any volunteer may wish to add ...
http://www.wikimatrix.org/show/JSPWiki
https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/dwcloudtrial/entry/installing_jspwiki_using_a_virtual_application_pattern_vap?lang=en
However I see there is a serious problem in 'None of these help with
notability: the first is primary (not to mention that usage doesn't show
notability anyway)'
We ha ve a long list of things, where however there are only a very few
things that can be really seen, and among these the 'heavy names'
sometimes end up being false
(e.g GlassFish is no more on jspwiki - and it is also written:
'GlassFish Wiki uses Confluence technology
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confluence_%28software%29>. Earlier
versions of the wiki were hosted on JSPWiki')
which I suspect ends up to being one of the worst things that can happen
in wikipedia and surely 'downgrade' any entry.
I suspect that list would need some serious reorganization and check -
aka gardening ... Sorry I wish to have the time to do it but inreality I
haven't so i cant
help more on this ...
As Quinary we use Jspwiki internally, have used to support a European
R&D projects, and use it in 4 intranets for big law firms and lawyers
associations, but
unfortunately all of these are 'closed' wikis so can scarecely help here ..
Luca
On 7/19/2012 4:49 PM, Quinn Fissler wrote:
> FYI, I started the talk page for the article and the admin doesn't like
> these arguments for notability:
>
> "None of these help with notability: the first is primary (not to mention
> that usage doesn't show notability anyway), the second – self-published and
> the third lacks depth. The same goes for all the references that were in
> the article. – Dmitrij D. Czarkoff<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Czarkoff>
> (talk <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Czarkoff>) 07:52, 17 July
> 2012 (UTC) "
>
> so there's some work to do. (Good luck, Dave! Rather you than me! :-) )
>
>
> On 16 July 2012 15:19, Florian Holeczek <fl...@holeczek.de> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> thanks for reporting! I had a look at it, the reason was "lack of
>> notability", which is certainly not correct. See
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NSOFT
>>
>> Here are some links on proving its notability:
>>
>> * Usage in corporations:
>> http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiSites#section-JSPWikiSites-Corporations
>> * JSPWiki is used in the Liferay portal server:
>> http://www.liferay.com/de/community/forums/-/message_boards/view_message/3363055#_19_message_3363055
>> * Recent article in a well-known german computer magazine on social
>> software at Apache, referring to JSPWiki:
>> http://www.heise.de/developer/artikel/Federlesen-9-Social-Software-bei-der-Apache-Software-Foundation-1626106.html
>>
>> Anyone out there who knows how to re-establish the page and how to get the
>> content back?
>>
>> Regards
>> Florian
>>
>>
>> ----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
>> Von: "Dave Koelmeyer" <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>
>> An: "JSPWiki Users" <js...@incubator.apache.org>
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 29. Juni 2012 17:32:25
>> Betreff: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Referring to the notes here:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSPWiki
>>
>> Any suggestions about how to get it back? I don't think this is quite
>> right - and certainly does no good for the visibility of the
>> application. Happy to pitch in if needed...
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> --
>> Dave Koelmeyer
>> http://www.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
>>
>>
Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Quinn Fissler <qf...@gmail.com>.
FYI, I started the talk page for the article and the admin doesn't like
these arguments for notability:
"None of these help with notability: the first is primary (not to mention
that usage doesn't show notability anyway), the second – self-published and
the third lacks depth. The same goes for all the references that were in
the article. – Dmitrij D. Czarkoff<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Czarkoff>
(talk <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Czarkoff>) 07:52, 17 July
2012 (UTC) "
so there's some work to do. (Good luck, Dave! Rather you than me! :-) )
On 16 July 2012 15:19, Florian Holeczek <fl...@holeczek.de> wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> thanks for reporting! I had a look at it, the reason was "lack of
> notability", which is certainly not correct. See
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NSOFT
>
> Here are some links on proving its notability:
>
> * Usage in corporations:
> http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiSites#section-JSPWikiSites-Corporations
> * JSPWiki is used in the Liferay portal server:
> http://www.liferay.com/de/community/forums/-/message_boards/view_message/3363055#_19_message_3363055
> * Recent article in a well-known german computer magazine on social
> software at Apache, referring to JSPWiki:
> http://www.heise.de/developer/artikel/Federlesen-9-Social-Software-bei-der-Apache-Software-Foundation-1626106.html
>
> Anyone out there who knows how to re-establish the page and how to get the
> content back?
>
> Regards
> Florian
>
>
> ----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
> Von: "Dave Koelmeyer" <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>
> An: "JSPWiki Users" <js...@incubator.apache.org>
> Gesendet: Freitag, 29. Juni 2012 17:32:25
> Betreff: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
>
> Hi All,
>
> Referring to the notes here:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSPWiki
>
> Any suggestions about how to get it back? I don't think this is quite
> right - and certainly does no good for the visibility of the
> application. Happy to pitch in if needed...
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Dave Koelmeyer
> http://www.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
>
>
Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Harry Metske <ha...@gmail.com>.
I see the page has been restored: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSPWiki
regards,
Harry
2012/7/17 Florian Holeczek <fl...@holeczek.de>
> Thanks a lot, Dave!
>
>
> ----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
> Von: "Dave Koelmeyer" <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>
> An: jspwiki-user@incubator.apache.org
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Juli 2012 07:56:09
> Betreff: Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
>
> On 07/17/12 05:38 PM, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Harry Metske <harry.metske@gmail.com
> > <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > that would be nice Dave.
> > To be honest I tried to find some cached copy somewhere on the
> > internet
> > yesterday, but could not find one.
> > So if we could get (part of) the original wikipedia articel back
> > again,
> > that would be nice.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hmm, there is a German version: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSPWiki
> >
> > I don't speak German, but I could run it through Google Translate and
> > clear up the wording. Could be good as a start.
> >
>
> Actually, it looks like Wikipedia has a process for requesting pages to
> be undeleted which I have taken the liberty of filling out:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion#JSPWiki
>
> --
> Dave Koelmeyer
> http://www.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
>
>
Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Florian Holeczek <fl...@holeczek.de>.
Thanks a lot, Dave!
----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
Von: "Dave Koelmeyer" <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>
An: jspwiki-user@incubator.apache.org
Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Juli 2012 07:56:09
Betreff: Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
On 07/17/12 05:38 PM, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Harry Metske <harry.metske@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> that would be nice Dave.
> To be honest I tried to find some cached copy somewhere on the
> internet
> yesterday, but could not find one.
> So if we could get (part of) the original wikipedia articel back
> again,
> that would be nice.
>
>
>
> Hmm, there is a German version: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSPWiki
>
> I don't speak German, but I could run it through Google Translate and
> clear up the wording. Could be good as a start.
>
Actually, it looks like Wikipedia has a process for requesting pages to
be undeleted which I have taken the liberty of filling out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion#JSPWiki
--
Dave Koelmeyer
http://www.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>.
On 07/17/12 05:38 PM, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Harry Metske <harry.metske@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> that would be nice Dave.
> To be honest I tried to find some cached copy somewhere on the
> internet
> yesterday, but could not find one.
> So if we could get (part of) the original wikipedia articel back
> again,
> that would be nice.
>
>
>
> Hmm, there is a German version: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSPWiki
>
> I don't speak German, but I could run it through Google Translate and
> clear up the wording. Could be good as a start.
>
Actually, it looks like Wikipedia has a process for requesting pages to
be undeleted which I have taken the liberty of filling out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion#JSPWiki
--
Dave Koelmeyer
http://www.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Florian Holeczek <fl...@holeczek.de>.
Hi Dave,
I know both language versions, and the German one is not a 1 by 1 translation of the English one. So this should be considered as the very last option.
Regards
Florian
----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
Von: "Dave Koelmeyer" <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>
An: jspwiki-user@incubator.apache.org
Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Juli 2012 07:38:44
Betreff: Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Harry Metske <ha...@gmail.com>wrote:
> that would be nice Dave.
> To be honest I tried to find some cached copy somewhere on the internet
> yesterday, but could not find one.
> So if we could get (part of) the original wikipedia articel back again,
> that would be nice.
>
>
>
Hmm, there is a German version: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSPWiki
I don't speak German, but I could run it through Google Translate and clear
up the wording. Could be good as a start.
Cheers,
Dave
Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>.
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Harry Metske <ha...@gmail.com>wrote:
> that would be nice Dave.
> To be honest I tried to find some cached copy somewhere on the internet
> yesterday, but could not find one.
> So if we could get (part of) the original wikipedia articel back again,
> that would be nice.
>
>
>
Hmm, there is a German version: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSPWiki
I don't speak German, but I could run it through Google Translate and clear
up the wording. Could be good as a start.
Cheers,
Dave
Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Harry Metske <ha...@gmail.com>.
that would be nice Dave.
To be honest I tried to find some cached copy somewhere on the internet
yesterday, but could not find one.
So if we could get (part of) the original wikipedia articel back again,
that would be nice.
kind regards,
Harry
2012/7/17 Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>
> On 07/17/12 02:19 AM, Florian Holeczek wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> thanks for reporting! I had a look at it, the reason was "lack of
>> notability", which is certainly not correct. See
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Wikipedia:NSOFT<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NSOFT>
>>
>> Here are some links on proving its notability:
>>
>> * Usage in corporations: http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/**
>> JSPWikiSites#section-**JSPWikiSites-Corporations<http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiSites#section-JSPWikiSites-Corporations>
>> * JSPWiki is used in the Liferay portal server:
>> http://www.liferay.com/de/**community/forums/-/message_**
>> boards/view_message/3363055#_**19_message_3363055<http://www.liferay.com/de/community/forums/-/message_boards/view_message/3363055#_19_message_3363055>
>> * Recent article in a well-known german computer magazine on social
>> software at Apache, referring to JSPWiki: http://www.heise.de/developer/*
>> *artikel/Federlesen-9-Social-**Software-bei-der-Apache-**
>> Software-Foundation-1626106.**html<http://www.heise.de/developer/artikel/Federlesen-9-Social-Software-bei-der-Apache-Software-Foundation-1626106.html>
>>
>> Anyone out there who knows how to re-establish the page and how to get
>> the content back?
>>
>> Regards
>> Florian
>>
>
> Hi Florian,
>
> Not off the top of my head, but I might get my hands dirty and try some
> Wikipedia editing tonight :)
>
> --
> Dave Koelmeyer
> http://www.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
>
>
Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>.
On 07/17/12 02:19 AM, Florian Holeczek wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> thanks for reporting! I had a look at it, the reason was "lack of notability", which is certainly not correct. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NSOFT
>
> Here are some links on proving its notability:
>
> * Usage in corporations: http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiSites#section-JSPWikiSites-Corporations
> * JSPWiki is used in the Liferay portal server: http://www.liferay.com/de/community/forums/-/message_boards/view_message/3363055#_19_message_3363055
> * Recent article in a well-known german computer magazine on social software at Apache, referring to JSPWiki: http://www.heise.de/developer/artikel/Federlesen-9-Social-Software-bei-der-Apache-Software-Foundation-1626106.html
>
> Anyone out there who knows how to re-establish the page and how to get the content back?
>
> Regards
> Florian
Hi Florian,
Not off the top of my head, but I might get my hands dirty and try some
Wikipedia editing tonight :)
--
Dave Koelmeyer
http://www.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
Re: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Posted by Florian Holeczek <fl...@holeczek.de>.
Hi Dave,
thanks for reporting! I had a look at it, the reason was "lack of notability", which is certainly not correct. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NSOFT
Here are some links on proving its notability:
* Usage in corporations: http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/JSPWikiSites#section-JSPWikiSites-Corporations
* JSPWiki is used in the Liferay portal server: http://www.liferay.com/de/community/forums/-/message_boards/view_message/3363055#_19_message_3363055
* Recent article in a well-known german computer magazine on social software at Apache, referring to JSPWiki: http://www.heise.de/developer/artikel/Federlesen-9-Social-Software-bei-der-Apache-Software-Foundation-1626106.html
Anyone out there who knows how to re-establish the page and how to get the content back?
Regards
Florian
----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
Von: "Dave Koelmeyer" <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>
An: "JSPWiki Users" <js...@incubator.apache.org>
Gesendet: Freitag, 29. Juni 2012 17:32:25
Betreff: JSPWiki page has been deleted from Wikipedia
Hi All,
Referring to the notes here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSPWiki
Any suggestions about how to get it back? I don't think this is quite
right - and certainly does no good for the visibility of the
application. Happy to pitch in if needed...
Cheers,
--
Dave Koelmeyer
http://www.davekoelmeyer.co.nz