everywhere a framework

[Ray Martin <ma...@gmail.com>]

HI

I have a very troubling question for myself.  I do not wish to be
ungracious - my question is meant only with good intention.  I probably am
missing the intuitive answer to my question.

Background:
My interests can be found at http://aurorae-tech.appspot.com

I am considering the creation of a system as i am beginning to describe in
the attached.
I definitely do not wish to create my own framework.  But, getting
reasonably skilled at a framework represents a considerable learning curve.

Please only take a moment of your time to consider my question.  I continue
to study and in the next near time frame i may be able to answer my own
question.

Thank you very much.

p.s. for an anecdote of the project name, read
http://aurorae-wiki.appspot.com/Rationale_and_expectations

Re: everywhere a framework

[Ray Martin <ma...@gmail.com>]

Thank you for reply.

The Stanbol Airavata comparison is probably an grapefruit and oranges comparison as you say. But, if one is assembling a fruit basket, I guess selecting the variety of fruit to be included is okay.

I will continue to study to find similarities, differences, and compatibility between the Stanbol and Airavata worlds.

ComputeFactory did not go forward to proposal - the team wanted to go a different direction. The direction of team interest became DetailMania (can be referenced from http://Aurorae-tech.appspot.com

But, ComputeFactory is still simmering on the back burner. As opportunities arrive, we hope to turn up the heat and share any accomplishments.

Have a super day.

On May 30, 2013, at 8:34 PM, Suresh Marru <sm...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hello Ray,
> 
> Very fascinating trouble indeed, Can we make the RockCrusher answer this? Sorry pun intended. 
> 
> If I understood what you are trying to achieve, Stanbol (or Stanbol-Rave combination) might be a better fit, I say this simple because Airavata as of today doesn't deal directly with Semantic Technologies or Ontologies and might be a hard fit into the mix. In the pre-apache days, Airavata has some experimental student projects to overlay OWL on Airavata XBaya but they did not make it into main code base. Also there are research groups who study Semantic integration in service based architectures like the WSDL-S advocacy groups. 
> 
> Back to your trouble, in this case you may not be comparing apple vs oranges but certainly not oranges vs oranges (may be oranges and grapefruit). Even otherwise, there are numerous examples of redundant framework and implementations (like Axis2 and CXF). From an apache standpoint, its totally fine to have them co-exist as long as community is rallying behind. Otherwise they naturally weed out. I do not think any project will be averse to re-use, but they need a interesting and motivated contributors like yourself to champion integration. If you look at many ASF projects, a code gets bootstrapped, a community is formed around it, from there on, code follows community not other way around. So the way to look at this problem is there are two distinct communities doing different things with identical software tools. This is totally ok. But if there are two communities doing the same thing but with two different tools, they need to be talking to each other. We will appreciate if you can help bridge such communities. 
> 
> BTW, I am curious to learn about your progress on the ComputeFactory integrations, how did that go? anything we can help?  
> 
> Suresh
> 
>  
> On May 30, 2013, at 6:45 PM, Ray Martin <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> HI
>> 
>> I have a very troubling question for myself.  I do not wish to be ungracious - my question is meant only with good intention.  I probably am missing the intuitive answer to my question.
>> 
>> Background:
>> My interests can be found at http://aurorae-tech.appspot.com 
>> 
>> I am considering the creation of a system as i am beginning to describe in the attached.
>> I definitely do not wish to create my own framework.  But, getting reasonably skilled at a framework represents a considerable learning curve.
>> 
>> Please only take a moment of your time to consider my question.  I continue to study and in the next near time frame i may be able to answer my own question.
>> 
>> Thank you very much.
>> 
>> p.s. for an anecdote of the project name, read http://aurorae-wiki.appspot.com/Rationale_and_expectations
>> <RockCrusher.pdf>
> 

Re: everywhere a framework

[Suresh Marru <sm...@apache.org>]

Hello Ray,

Very fascinating trouble indeed, Can we make the RockCrusher answer this? Sorry pun intended. 

If I understood what you are trying to achieve, Stanbol (or Stanbol-Rave combination) might be a better fit, I say this simple because Airavata as of today doesn't deal directly with Semantic Technologies or Ontologies and might be a hard fit into the mix. In the pre-apache days, Airavata has some experimental student projects to overlay OWL on Airavata XBaya but they did not make it into main code base. Also there are research groups who study Semantic integration in service based architectures like the WSDL-S advocacy groups. 

Back to your trouble, in this case you may not be comparing apple vs oranges but certainly not oranges vs oranges (may be oranges and grapefruit). Even otherwise, there are numerous examples of redundant framework and implementations (like Axis2 and CXF). From an apache standpoint, its totally fine to have them co-exist as long as community is rallying behind. Otherwise they naturally weed out. I do not think any project will be averse to re-use, but they need a interesting and motivated contributors like yourself to champion integration. If you look at many ASF projects, a code gets bootstrapped, a community is formed around it, from there on, code follows community not other way around. So the way to look at this problem is there are two distinct communities doing different things with identical software tools. This is totally ok. But if there are two communities doing the same thing but with two different tools, they need to be talking to each other. We will appreciate if you can help bridge such communities. 

BTW, I am curious to learn about your progress on the ComputeFactory integrations, how did that go? anything we can help?  

Suresh

 
On May 30, 2013, at 6:45 PM, Ray Martin <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:

> HI
> 
> I have a very troubling question for myself.  I do not wish to be ungracious - my question is meant only with good intention.  I probably am missing the intuitive answer to my question.
> 
> Background:
> My interests can be found at http://aurorae-tech.appspot.com 
> 
> I am considering the creation of a system as i am beginning to describe in the attached.
> I definitely do not wish to create my own framework.  But, getting reasonably skilled at a framework represents a considerable learning curve.
> 
> Please only take a moment of your time to consider my question.  I continue to study and in the next near time frame i may be able to answer my own question.
> 
> Thank you very much.
> 
> p.s. for an anecdote of the project name, read http://aurorae-wiki.appspot.com/Rationale_and_expectations
> <RockCrusher.pdf>