NSA CCLA and Accumulo Software Grant

[Adam P Fuchs <ad...@ugov.gov>]

We just faxed in a signed NSA CCLA and Software Grant for Accumulo.

As Billie mentioned earlier, the Software Grant is unmodified, with a caveat in the Exhibit A (List of software and other intellectual property covered by this agreement), to state that some portions of Accumulo are in the public domain, and that the copyright license is granted only for those materials for which there is copyright.

The CCLA is slightly modified. We broadened the definition of "You" (or "Your") in section one to include "the owner of a contribution not subject to copyright". We also modified the Grant of Copyright License in section two to include the clause "to the extent that copyright exists in the Contribution(s)". The full text of the modified CCLA is attached. Should we pose this as a question to the LEGAL jira now to see if ASF will accept these changes?

Adam

Re: NSA CCLA and Accumulo Software Grant

[Adam Fuchs <ad...@ugov.gov>]

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>wrote:

> At least send email to Sam Ruby explaining the mods, and perhaps also
> open a ticket on LEGAL.
>
> I just posted https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-100. (bonus
points for getting 100, right?)

Do you have Sam Ruby's email address? I can't seem to find it.

Thanks,
Adam

Re: NSA CCLA and Accumulo Software Grant

[Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>]

At least send email to Sam Ruby explaining the mods, and perhaps also
open a ticket on LEGAL.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Adam P Fuchs <ad...@ugov.gov> wrote:
> We just faxed in a signed NSA CCLA and Software Grant for Accumulo.
>
> As Billie mentioned earlier, the Software Grant is unmodified, with a caveat in the Exhibit A (List of software and other intellectual property covered by this agreement), to state that some portions of Accumulo are in the public domain, and that the copyright license is granted only for those materials for which there is copyright.
>
> The CCLA is slightly modified. We broadened the definition of "You" (or "Your") in section one to include "the owner of a contribution not subject to copyright". We also modified the Grant of Copyright License in section two to include the clause "to the extent that copyright exists in the Contribution(s)". The full text of the modified CCLA is attached. Should we pose this as a question to the LEGAL jira now to see if ASF will accept these changes?
>
> Adam
>

Re: NSA CCLA and Accumulo Software Grant

[Keith Turner <ke...@deenlo.com>]

We probably have enough info in svn to know who contributed what at a given
point in time.  But I am not sure if that is enough, would need to know what
the rules are for derivative work.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Aaron Cordova <aa...@cordovas.org> wrote:

> Will we ever know what portions are public domain?
>
>

Re: NSA CCLA and Accumulo Software Grant

[Aaron Cordova <aa...@cordovas.org>]

Will we ever know what portions are public domain?

On Sep 20, 2011, at 1:55 PM, Adam P Fuchs wrote:

> We just faxed in a signed NSA CCLA and Software Grant for Accumulo.
> 
> As Billie mentioned earlier, the Software Grant is unmodified, with a caveat in the Exhibit A (List of software and other intellectual property covered by this agreement), to state that some portions of Accumulo are in the public domain, and that the copyright license is granted only for those materials for which there is copyright.
> 
> The CCLA is slightly modified. We broadened the definition of "You" (or "Your") in section one to include "the owner of a contribution not subject to copyright". We also modified the Grant of Copyright License in section two to include the clause "to the extent that copyright exists in the Contribution(s)". The full text of the modified CCLA is attached. Should we pose this as a question to the LEGAL jira now to see if ASF will accept these changes?
> 
> Adam
> <modified_CCLA.txt>

Re: NSA CCLA and Accumulo Software Grant

[Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>]

AH, I think that's my job. One minute.

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Billie J Rinaldi
<bi...@ugov.gov> wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:30:00 PM, "Benson Margulies" <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> if the grant has been registered by the secretary
>
> Also, how can we find out whether or not the grant has been registered?
>
> Billie
>

Re: NSA CCLA and Accumulo Software Grant

[Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>]

I see the grant checked into the appropriate place where us members of
the bavarian illuminati can look. So we're good with that.

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Billie J Rinaldi
<bi...@ugov.gov> wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:30:00 PM, "Benson Margulies" <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> if the grant has been registered by the secretary
>
> Also, how can we find out whether or not the grant has been registered?
>
> Billie
>

Re: NSA CCLA and Accumulo Software Grant

[Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>]

I can in fact do the account requests, but I need to know your
preferred Apache userids. Unless you've already sent them to private
or something and I can look in the archive. It would be a kindness if
all of you would just send me private email with you name that I can
recognize from the proposal and your two top uses of userids.

-benson


On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think that us mentors have to do this, let me go get someone to
> correct my leaky memory.
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Billie J Rinaldi
> <bi...@ugov.gov> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:30:00 PM, "Benson Margulies" <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Yes we can set up svn and all of that, since you all submitted iclas.
>>
>> Can we put ourselves in for Apache accounts?
>>
>> Billie
>>
>

Re: NSA CCLA and Accumulo Software Grant

[Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>]

I think that us mentors have to do this, let me go get someone to
correct my leaky memory.

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Billie J Rinaldi
<bi...@ugov.gov> wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:30:00 PM, "Benson Margulies" <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes we can set up svn and all of that, since you all submitted iclas.
>
> Can we put ourselves in for Apache accounts?
>
> Billie
>

Re: NSA CCLA and Accumulo Software Grant

[Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Billie J Rinaldi
<bi...@ugov.gov> wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:36:12 PM, "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>> I'm not sure that registering the grand constitutes acceptance of the
>> changes made to the boilerplate grant. I don't think this should stop
>> our progress but I would like to see more explicit acceptance of the
>> changes from someone in the corporation empowered to do so; something
>> that I feel needs to be done before the first release
>
> We did not make changes to the grant.  In Exhibit A, which contains a list of items covered by the agreement, we stated that portions of the code are in the public domain and thus copyright does not exist for them.  Is there any concern that that will not be acceptable?
>

There is no concern. We should go ahead and get your initial granted
code loaded. We should all reread the incubator web site pages to be
sure we're clear on the procedure.


> We did make changes to the CCLA and hope their acceptability (or that of some alternate solution) will be resolved in LEGAL-100.
>
> Billie
>

Re: NSA CCLA and Accumulo Software Grant

[Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>]

Word is that Sam has been on vacation.

Re: NSA CCLA and Accumulo Software Grant

["Alan D. Cabrera" <ad...@toolazydogs.com>]

On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:35 AM, Billie J Rinaldi wrote:

> On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:36:12 PM, "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>> I'm not sure that registering the grand constitutes acceptance of the
>> changes made to the boilerplate grant. I don't think this should stop
>> our progress but I would like to see more explicit acceptance of the
>> changes from someone in the corporation empowered to do so; something
>> that I feel needs to be done before the first release
> 
> We did not make changes to the grant.  In Exhibit A, which contains a list of items covered by the agreement, we stated that portions of the code are in the public domain and thus copyright does not exist for them.  Is there any concern that that will not be acceptable?

Ahh, ok.  I misunderstood LEGAL-100.

> We did make changes to the CCLA and hope their acceptability (or that of some alternate solution) will be resolved in LEGAL-100.

No worries.  As I mentioned before as have until the first release to resolve all this.


Regards,
Alan

Re: NSA CCLA and Accumulo Software Grant

[Billie J Rinaldi <bi...@ugov.gov>]

On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:36:12 PM, "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure that registering the grand constitutes acceptance of the
> changes made to the boilerplate grant. I don't think this should stop
> our progress but I would like to see more explicit acceptance of the
> changes from someone in the corporation empowered to do so; something
> that I feel needs to be done before the first release

We did not make changes to the grant.  In Exhibit A, which contains a list of items covered by the agreement, we stated that portions of the code are in the public domain and thus copyright does not exist for them.  Is there any concern that that will not be acceptable?

We did make changes to the CCLA and hope their acceptability (or that of some alternate solution) will be resolved in LEGAL-100.

Billie

Re: NSA CCLA and Accumulo Software Grant

["Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>]

On Sep 27, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Adam Fuchs <ad...@ugov.gov> wrote:
>> Dear Accumulo Mentors,
>> 
>> The Apache secretaries have received a copy of our CCLA and Software Grant.
>> We haven't heard any activity on the LEGAL-100 question regarding the CCLA
>> changes. So, what's the next step? Is it time to put us in for svn accounts?
>> Looks like Aaron has an account, but the rest of us have not.
> 
> Yes we can set up svn and all of that, since you all submitted iclas.
> 
> Since you submitted the grant, if the grant has been registered by the
> secretary, we could even ask infra to roll the initial import.

I'm not sure that registering the grand constitutes acceptance of the changes made to the boilerplate grant.  I don't think this should stop our progress but I would like to see more explicit acceptance of the changes from someone in the corporation empowered to do so; something that I feel needs to be done before the first release

> The CCLA question raises, well, questions of conscience after that.
> Anyone with an icla on file can commit anything which they have rights
> to. My view is that a person can certainly commit their own 'public
> domain' work without an active CCLA.
> 
> For any work in which an employer does have rights, a committer would
> want to know that their employer's CCLA has been accepted. Us mentors
> have to draw straws as to who pokes the officers for a response.

I think it should be ok to start work while we clear up these issues.  That's what the Incubator is for.  


Regards,
Alan

> 
> --benson
> 
> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Adam
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Adam P Fuchs <ad...@ugov.gov> wrote:
>> 
>>> We just faxed in a signed NSA CCLA and Software Grant for Accumulo.
>>> 
>>> As Billie mentioned earlier, the Software Grant is unmodified, with a
>>> caveat in the Exhibit A (List of software and other intellectual property
>>> covered by this agreement), to state that some portions of Accumulo are in
>>> the public domain, and that the copyright license is granted only for those
>>> materials for which there is copyright.
>>> 
>>> The CCLA is slightly modified. We broadened the definition of "You" (or
>>> "Your") in section one to include "the owner of a contribution not subject
>>> to copyright". We also modified the Grant of Copyright License in section
>>> two to include the clause "to the extent that copyright exists in the
>>> Contribution(s)". The full text of the modified CCLA is attached. Should we
>>> pose this as a question to the LEGAL jira now to see if ASF will accept
>>> these changes?
>>> 
>>> Adam
>>> 
>> 

Re: NSA CCLA and Accumulo Software Grant

[Billie J Rinaldi <bi...@ugov.gov>]

On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:30:00 PM, "Benson Margulies" <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes we can set up svn and all of that, since you all submitted iclas.

Can we put ourselves in for Apache accounts?

Billie

Re: NSA CCLA and Accumulo Software Grant

[Billie J Rinaldi <bi...@ugov.gov>]

On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:30:00 PM, "Benson Margulies" <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> if the grant has been registered by the secretary

Also, how can we find out whether or not the grant has been registered?

Billie

Re: NSA CCLA and Accumulo Software Grant

[Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Adam Fuchs <ad...@ugov.gov> wrote:
> Dear Accumulo Mentors,
>
> The Apache secretaries have received a copy of our CCLA and Software Grant.
> We haven't heard any activity on the LEGAL-100 question regarding the CCLA
> changes. So, what's the next step? Is it time to put us in for svn accounts?
> Looks like Aaron has an account, but the rest of us have not.

Yes we can set up svn and all of that, since you all submitted iclas.

Since you submitted the grant, if the grant has been registered by the
secretary, we could even ask infra to roll the initial import.

The CCLA question raises, well, questions of conscience after that.
Anyone with an icla on file can commit anything which they have rights
to. My view is that a person can certainly commit their own 'public
domain' work without an active CCLA.

For any work in which an employer does have rights, a committer would
want to know that their employer's CCLA has been accepted. Us mentors
have to draw straws as to who pokes the officers for a response.

--benson


>
> Thanks,
> Adam
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Adam P Fuchs <ad...@ugov.gov> wrote:
>
>> We just faxed in a signed NSA CCLA and Software Grant for Accumulo.
>>
>> As Billie mentioned earlier, the Software Grant is unmodified, with a
>> caveat in the Exhibit A (List of software and other intellectual property
>> covered by this agreement), to state that some portions of Accumulo are in
>> the public domain, and that the copyright license is granted only for those
>> materials for which there is copyright.
>>
>> The CCLA is slightly modified. We broadened the definition of "You" (or
>> "Your") in section one to include "the owner of a contribution not subject
>> to copyright". We also modified the Grant of Copyright License in section
>> two to include the clause "to the extent that copyright exists in the
>> Contribution(s)". The full text of the modified CCLA is attached. Should we
>> pose this as a question to the LEGAL jira now to see if ASF will accept
>> these changes?
>>
>> Adam
>>
>

Re: NSA CCLA and Accumulo Software Grant

[Adam Fuchs <ad...@ugov.gov>]

Dear Accumulo Mentors,

The Apache secretaries have received a copy of our CCLA and Software Grant.
We haven't heard any activity on the LEGAL-100 question regarding the CCLA
changes. So, what's the next step? Is it time to put us in for svn accounts?
Looks like Aaron has an account, but the rest of us have not.

Thanks,
Adam



On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Adam P Fuchs <ad...@ugov.gov> wrote:

> We just faxed in a signed NSA CCLA and Software Grant for Accumulo.
>
> As Billie mentioned earlier, the Software Grant is unmodified, with a
> caveat in the Exhibit A (List of software and other intellectual property
> covered by this agreement), to state that some portions of Accumulo are in
> the public domain, and that the copyright license is granted only for those
> materials for which there is copyright.
>
> The CCLA is slightly modified. We broadened the definition of "You" (or
> "Your") in section one to include "the owner of a contribution not subject
> to copyright". We also modified the Grant of Copyright License in section
> two to include the clause "to the extent that copyright exists in the
> Contribution(s)". The full text of the modified CCLA is attached. Should we
> pose this as a question to the LEGAL jira now to see if ASF will accept
> these changes?
>
> Adam
>