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[PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2
> Hi,
>
> I have been leveraging a wide range of open source projects in an
> enterprise
> environment for more then 10 years. During this time, I have developed a
> rich
> understanding of both the positive and negative implications of doing so.
> I
> am currently working at Merck and Co. Inc., with the responsibility for
> overseeing the engineering and operations of Merck's global
> Internet/Intranet
> web infrastructure. This infrastructure includes ~5000 Apache virtual
> hosts
> and ~2700 Tomcat based applications with both test and production
> environments.
> To allow my team to manage an ever growing range of web assets, we have
> developed
> a web based tool set to manage the entire web infrastructure. Throughout
> the
> development of the tool set, the idea of releasing it back to the
> community that
> has provided me with so many wonderful tools has always been part of the
> project
> plan. At this time I would like to propose the adoption of the TMCg2 as
> an
> incubator project under the ASF.
>
> Regards,
> Neil Stein
>
> ####################
>
>
> TMCg2 Proposal
>
> 0. Rationale
>
> Organizations apply many styles to the management of open source web and
> application middle tier services, and although functional - it can not be
> considered to be a true enterprise means of middle tier service
> management.
> With the aim of solidifying the ease and control with which the
> enterprise
> manages the underlying Open Source web and application server
> infrastructure, the TMCg2 was created. This solution brings the promise
> of
> a single central tool that improves productivity, increases control and
> efficiencies in both horizontal and vertical scaling of services, while
> allowing for a proactive means in reducing and distributing the
> complexities
> of managing open source web and application server assets.
>
> 0.1 Criteria
>
> Meritocracy:
>
> The current committers have experience working with open source projects
> and
> communities, and the leaders of this project have a career based working
> under normal meritocracy rules.
>
> Community:
>
> TMCg2 is not based on an existing open source community, but the
> contributors involved have experience leveraging and building upon many
> open
> source projects at Merck and Co., Inc. A primary objective of the
> project
> is to build a vibrant community of users and active contributors.
>
> Core Developers:
>
> The initial committers are not members of a computer technology based
> company, but rather a part of a Fortune 100 company focused on bringing
> efficiencies to its use of open source software.
>
> FEATURES
> ** Please see White-Paper for specific details.
http://tmcg2.sourceforge.net/TMCg2_WhitePaper.pdf
<http://tmcg2.sourceforge.net/TMCg2_WhitePaper.pdf>
> The TMCg2 is divided into two components, the console and agent. Each
> component is then broken down into smaller modules that perform the
> specific
> tasks.
>
> TMCg2 Console
> The TMCg2 Console is a browser based interface for both administrators
> and
> application development teams, with access controls, rules, and web
> application settings stored in a structured relational database. A view
> is
> provided to development teams to focus on the configuration and status of
> their web application. Additional views are provided for the enterprise
> administrators to focus on the Apache and Tomcat configurations and
> operating processes. Some types of requests for a developer would include
> application reloads/restarts and content deployments. Administrators
> would
> make requests such as creating/modifying web applications, virtual hosts,
> starting or stopping the web application servers.
>
> TMCg2 Agents
> The TMCg2 Agent is responsible for brokering messages from the console to
> the appropriate module.
>
> 0.2 Warning signs
>
> Management of an extensive web infrastructure is a very important topic
> for
> Merck and Co., Inc., and has had limited attention from the ASF.
> Continuing
> and growing the TMCg2 will provide a continued benefit to Merck and Co.,
> Inc. There is no risk of any of the usual warning signs of orphaned or
> abandoned code.
>
> The current committers have experience working with open source projects
> and
> communities and the leaders of this project have a career based working
> under normal meritocracy rules.
>
> Orphaned products:
>
>
>
> 3. Identify the ASF resources to be created
>
> 3.1 mailing list(s)
>
> * tmcg2-ppmc
> * tmcg2-dev
> * tmcg2-commits
> * tmcg2-user
>
> 3.2 Subversion repository
>
> * [WWW] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/tmcg2
> <https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/tmcg2>
>
> 3.3 Jira
>
> * tmcg2 (TMCg2)
>
> 4. Identify the initial set of committers:
>
> * Neil Stein
> * Steve Toback
>
>
> 5. Identify Apache sponsoring individual
>
> We request that the Apache Incubator PMC sponsor TMCg2 as an incubating
> project, with the eventual goal of graduation as a TLP. The initial
> contributors feel the scope of the project doesn't clearly overlap with
> any
> existing TLP, and is broad enough to justify eventual TLP status.
>
> Champion: Bill Rowe
>
> Mentors: Bill Rowe
> Jim Jagielski
>
>
>
> Neil Stein
> Merck & Co. Inc.
> Enterprise Web Infrastructure
> phone -- 908-423-4297
>
>
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
It's been 6 days since the introduction to this project at ApacheCon, and two
weeks, today, since it was proposed.
Votes +1; wrowe, mads, jerenkrantz, jimjag
Votes -1; [none]
I'll give this one last day to stew, and without further objection, will call
the vote and begin creating the incubation-infra for this new crew, along with
my co-mentor Mads.
Thanks to all who've given this proposal their consideration (w or w/o email)!
Bill
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
On Dec 17, 2005, at 10:07 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 09:28:29AM -0500, Stein, Neil S wrote:
>>> plan. At this time I would like to propose the adoption of the
>>> TMCg2 as
>>> an
>>> incubator project under the ASF.
>
> +1. -- justin
>
+1
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2
Posted by Justin Erenkrantz <ju...@erenkrantz.com>.
On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 09:28:29AM -0500, Stein, Neil S wrote:
> > plan. At this time I would like to propose the adoption of the TMCg2 as
> > an
> > incubator project under the ASF.
+1. -- justin
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2
Posted by Mads Toftum <ma...@toftum.dk>.
On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 04:58:54PM -0800, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> Neil, and incubator PMC,
>
> * I'm happy to serve as mentor on this project.
>
I would be too if there is a need for an additional mentor.
> All in all, I vote +1 to accept this project into incubation, and I thank
> you
> for offering this project to the ASF.
>
+1 (from the peanut gallery)
vh
Mads Toftum
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
Stein, Neil S wrote:
>>
>>To allow my team to manage an ever growing range of web assets, we have developed
>>a web based tool set to manage the entire web infrastructure. Throughout the
>>development of the tool set, the idea of releasing it back to the community that
>>has provided me with so many wonderful tools has always been part of the project
>>plan. At this time I would like to propose the adoption of the TMCg2 as an
>>incubator project under the ASF.
Neil, and incubator PMC,
* I'm happy to serve as mentor on this project.
* You mentioned an initial development community of approx 10 specific folks
from 5 -different- organizations, I find that a promising start. [Most of
these contributions take some time to attract a broader community.]
* The scope of the project is impressive; it will be interesting to keep it
sufficiently modular so that it scales to the user's interests and needs.
[It seems the shortcoming of most such tools is that they 1) try to do too
much or 2) don't scale effectively to attract a broad community.]
* The module has a tie to Oracle and future tie to MySQL - there are licensing
issues about what dependencies we can distribute, but these issues can be
addressed during incubation.
All in all, I vote +1 to accept this project into incubation, and I thank you
for offering this project to the ASF.
Bill
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2
Posted by Mads Toftum <ma...@toftum.dk>.
On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 11:30:01PM -0600, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> A final concern was raised, TMCg2 stands for (???). I've read it as 'The
> Management Console generation 2'. Now from an OSS standpoint, there's no
> first generation, so I'd suggest dropping the g2 designation. But was I
> badly
> mistaken? Someone's suggested that the M is Merck, but I've seen no such
> ref.
>
I tend to agree that the name isn't very good. TMC is not a very good
choice either - Apache The ... wouldn't really work. It would be nice to
find something more appropriate before starting to create too many
mailing lists.
vh
Mads Toftum
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
To publish the initial page the following need to be threshed out...
Stein, Neil S wrote:
>> At this time I would like to propose the adoption of the TMCg2 as
>> an incubator project under the ASF.
>>
>> Community:
>>
>> [Snip]
Need names here, including those who plan to actually participate from beyond
the original committer base. Include those without CLA's - that can be dealt
with (and updated) next. There is concerned that this is a two man project
(which obviously, it's not, but that was the original posting.) If you have
names, they should be added now (and subscribe to the -dev list upon creation.)
>> 3.1 mailing list(s)
>>
>> * tmcg2-ppmc
>> * tmcg2-dev
>> * tmcg2-commits
>> * tmcg2-user
For the moment, we need only -ppmc, -dev and -commits, we can add -user
after the initial evaluation tarball. That list name would change of course
once the project graduated, confusing users further.
>> 3.2 Subversion repository
>>
>> * [WWW] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/tmcg2
>><https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/tmcg2>
Prior to any initial import, this should be made available at least to ASF
members for review; Roy notes that sf.net/projects/tmcg2/ contains no code.
Can we publish this? I can place it in an incubator PMC-only repository for
all PMC or ASF members to consider before import/adoption.
>> * tmcg2 (TMCg2)
>> Mentors: Bill Rowe
>> Jim Jagielski
Add Mads to that list of course. Jim, since your offer was quite some time
ago ... ping, are you still interested in mentoring?
A final concern was raised, TMCg2 stands for (???). I've read it as 'The
Management Console generation 2'. Now from an OSS standpoint, there's no
first generation, so I'd suggest dropping the g2 designation. But was I badly
mistaken? Someone's suggested that the M is Merck, but I've seen no such ref.
Bill
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate TMCg2
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
+1
On Dec 6, 2005, at 9:28 AM, Stein, Neil S wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have been leveraging a wide range of open source projects in an
>> enterprise
>> environment for more then 10 years. During this time, I have
>> developed a
>> rich
>> understanding of both the positive and negative implications of
>> doing so.
>> I
>> am currently working at Merck and Co. Inc., with the
>> responsibility for
>> overseeing the engineering and operations of Merck's global
>> Internet/Intranet
>> web infrastructure. This infrastructure includes ~5000 Apache
>> virtual
>> hosts
>> and ~2700 Tomcat based applications with both test and production
>> environments.
>> To allow my team to manage an ever growing range of web assets, we
>> have
>> developed
>> a web based tool set to manage the entire web infrastructure.
>> Throughout
>> the
>> development of the tool set, the idea of releasing it back to the
>> community that
>> has provided me with so many wonderful tools has always been part
>> of the
>> project
>> plan. At this time I would like to propose the adoption of the
>> TMCg2 as
>> an
>> incubator project under the ASF.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Neil Stein
>>
>> ####################
>>
>>
>> TMCg2 Proposal
>>
>> 0. Rationale
>>
>> Organizations apply many styles to the management of open source
>> web and
>> application middle tier services, and although functional - it
>> can not be
>> considered to be a true enterprise means of middle tier service
>> management.
>> With the aim of solidifying the ease and control with which the
>> enterprise
>> manages the underlying Open Source web and application server
>> infrastructure, the TMCg2 was created. This solution brings the
>> promise
>> of
>> a single central tool that improves productivity, increases
>> control and
>> efficiencies in both horizontal and vertical scaling of services,
>> while
>> allowing for a proactive means in reducing and distributing the
>> complexities
>> of managing open source web and application server assets.
>>
>> 0.1 Criteria
>>
>> Meritocracy:
>>
>> The current committers have experience working with open source
>> projects
>> and
>> communities, and the leaders of this project have a career based
>> working
>> under normal meritocracy rules.
>>
>> Community:
>>
>> TMCg2 is not based on an existing open source community, but the
>> contributors involved have experience leveraging and building
>> upon many
>> open
>> source projects at Merck and Co., Inc. A primary objective of the
>> project
>> is to build a vibrant community of users and active contributors.
>>
>> Core Developers:
>>
>> The initial committers are not members of a computer technology
>> based
>> company, but rather a part of a Fortune 100 company focused on
>> bringing
>> efficiencies to its use of open source software.
>>
>> FEATURES
>> ** Please see White-Paper for specific details.
> http://tmcg2.sourceforge.net/TMCg2_WhitePaper.pdf
> <http://tmcg2.sourceforge.net/TMCg2_WhitePaper.pdf>
>
>> The TMCg2 is divided into two components, the console and agent.
>> Each
>> component is then broken down into smaller modules that perform the
>> specific
>> tasks.
>>
>> TMCg2 Console
>> The TMCg2 Console is a browser based interface for both
>> administrators
>> and
>> application development teams, with access controls, rules, and web
>> application settings stored in a structured relational
>> database. A view
>> is
>> provided to development teams to focus on the configuration and
>> status of
>> their web application. Additional views are provided for the
>> enterprise
>> administrators to focus on the Apache and Tomcat configurations and
>> operating processes. Some types of requests for a developer would
>> include
>> application reloads/restarts and content deployments.
>> Administrators
>> would
>> make requests such as creating/modifying web applications,
>> virtual hosts,
>> starting or stopping the web application servers.
>>
>> TMCg2 Agents
>> The TMCg2 Agent is responsible for brokering messages from the
>> console to
>> the appropriate module.
>>
>> 0.2 Warning signs
>>
>> Management of an extensive web infrastructure is a very important
>> topic
>> for
>> Merck and Co., Inc., and has had limited attention from the ASF.
>> Continuing
>> and growing the TMCg2 will provide a continued benefit to Merck
>> and Co.,
>> Inc. There is no risk of any of the usual warning signs of
>> orphaned or
>> abandoned code.
>>
>> The current committers have experience working with open source
>> projects
>> and
>> communities and the leaders of this project have a career based
>> working
>> under normal meritocracy rules.
>>
>> Orphaned products:
>>
>>
>>
>> 3. Identify the ASF resources to be created
>>
>> 3.1 mailing list(s)
>>
>> * tmcg2-ppmc
>> * tmcg2-dev
>> * tmcg2-commits
>> * tmcg2-user
>>
>> 3.2 Subversion repository
>>
>> * [WWW] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/tmcg2
>> <https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/tmcg2>
>>
>> 3.3 Jira
>>
>> * tmcg2 (TMCg2)
>>
>> 4. Identify the initial set of committers:
>>
>> * Neil Stein
>> * Steve Toback
>>
>>
>> 5. Identify Apache sponsoring individual
>>
>> We request that the Apache Incubator PMC sponsor TMCg2 as an
>> incubating
>> project, with the eventual goal of graduation as a TLP. The initial
>> contributors feel the scope of the project doesn't clearly
>> overlap with
>> any
>> existing TLP, and is broad enough to justify eventual TLP status.
>>
>> Champion: Bill Rowe
>>
>> Mentors: Bill Rowe
>> Jim Jagielski
>>
>>
>>
>> Neil Stein
>> Merck & Co. Inc.
>> Enterprise Web Infrastructure
>> phone -- 908-423-4297
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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