RE: Why is FO(P) a superior model than what most proprietary tool s propose

["Xie, David (IPCG-NJ)" <xi...@exchange.ml.com>]

Are there any companies out there developing products base on FOP?  Just curious.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Lanphier [mailto:pmlanphier@artemisgroup.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:34 PM
To: fop-user@xml.apache.org
Subject: Re: Why is FO(P) a superior model than what most proprietary tools propose

We are considering using FOP in place of JReports or any other reporting
tools.  More needs to be written on how to use Cocoon and FOP as a true
report writer.  Any help would be great.  I'm currently working with Corda
in hopes that they will change the SVG format to inlining so that it can
be easy used with FOP.  If any of you would like to talk to them about
this that would be great.

Patrick Lanphier
The Artemis Group
http://www.artemisgroup.com
phone: 814-235-0444
  fax: 800-582-9710

On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, J.Pietschmann wrote:

> Patrick Andries wrote:
> > Alex McLintock wrote:
> >> I don't know about an industry analysts study of XSL:FO but we ought
> >> to be able to come up with case studies for people who have
> >> successfully used FOP.
> > I think this is crucial. I found nothing of the sort.
>
> There was recently an announcement on the cocoon list that
> a major NASA site (KSC, i believe) is being redesigned
> using Cocoon 2 (includes FOP) and will going online soon.
> Perhaps some details regarding FOP usage there could be
> asked for.
>
> Apart from this, for my job I found XSLFO superior to
> the various proprietary reporting tools (rather expensive
> stuff). It's just me, though.
>
> J.Pietschmann
>
>
>
>

Re: Why is FO(P) a superior model than what most proprietary tool s propose

["J.Pietschmann" <j3...@yahoo.de>]

Josh wrote:
> Actually that's very good to know. From a designer perspective FOP has 
> felt a bit like the themes for mozilla. It's like designing for a moving 
> target

The spec itself was a (slowly) moving target until recently.
You can still expect amendments for clarification, there has
been a few holes spotted.

There is still a problem with the FOP API for embedding,
i think this will be in flux for some time.

J.Pietschmann

Re: Why is FO(P) a superior model than what most proprietary tool s propose

[Josh <jo...@zype.co.nz>]

J.Pietschmann wrote:

>> The last major update to FOP made changes that rendered earlier .fo 
>> files useless without some tweaks. The work involved in ensuring all 
>> the .fo files are still working everytime FOP is updated would be a 
>> bit of a nightmare.
>
> The problem with the last change you seem to refer to brought FOP into 
> line with a last minute change in the
> standard. You wont see this kind of changes very often.

Actually that's very good to know. From a designer perspective FOP has 
felt a bit like the themes for mozilla. It's like designing for a moving 
target (and hand coding the stuff doesn't make it much easier) so no one 
does.

One day.

Josh

ZYPE - Graphical Interface Design
Phone: 03 963 3735
Mobile: 021 400 472
Web: www.zype.co.nz

Re: Why is FO(P) a superior model than what most proprietary tool s propose

["J.Pietschmann" <j3...@yahoo.de>]

Josh wrote:
> The last major update to FOP made changes that rendered earlier .fo 
> files useless without some tweaks. The work involved in ensuring all the 
> .fo files are still working everytime FOP is updated would be a bit of a 
> nightmare.

The problem with the last change you seem to refer to
brought FOP into line with a last minute change in the
standard.
You wont see this kind of changes very often.

J.Pietschmann

Re: Why is FO(P) a superior model than what most proprietary tool s propose

[Josh <jo...@zype.co.nz>]

>
>
>Are there any companies out there developing products base on FOP?  Just curious.
>

I've been looking at using FOP to get print versions of content from a 
number of web apps but I'm finding it too unstable at the moment to 
really offer as a solution. Coupled with the rather large resource 
required to realistically run Cocoon it's a pretty big commitment.

The last major update to FOP made changes that rendered earlier .fo 
files useless without some tweaks. The work involved in ensuring all the 
.fo files are still working everytime FOP is updated would be a bit of a 
nightmare.
It's a great idea and is going to be a killer solution for 
designers/developers but it's probably going to take a year or so before 
it's completely viable. What is FOP now - 0.20.3? Not very old really :-)


Later
Josh


ZYPE - Graphical Interface Design
Phone: 03 963 3735
Mobile: 021 400 472
Web: www.zype.co.nz

RE: Why is FO(P) a superior model than what most proprietary tool s propose

[Brian O'Kelley <co...@alumni.princeton.edu>]

Our product (Cetova Financial Analysis & Reporting - www.cetova.com)
uses FOP (embedded) for PDF generation.
Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: Xie, David (IPCG-NJ) [mailto:xieda@exchange.ml.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:45 PM
To: 'fop-user@xml.apache.org'
Subject: RE: Why is FO(P) a superior model than what most proprietary
tool s propose


Are there any companies out there developing products base on FOP?  Just
curious.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Lanphier [mailto:pmlanphier@artemisgroup.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:34 PM
To: fop-user@xml.apache.org
Subject: Re: Why is FO(P) a superior model than what most proprietary
tools propose

We are considering using FOP in place of JReports or any other reporting
tools.  More needs to be written on how to use Cocoon and FOP as a true
report writer.  Any help would be great.  I'm currently working with
Corda in hopes that they will change the SVG format to inlining so that
it can be easy used with FOP.  If any of you would like to talk to them
about this that would be great.

Patrick Lanphier
The Artemis Group
http://www.artemisgroup.com
phone: 814-235-0444
  fax: 800-582-9710

On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, J.Pietschmann wrote:

> Patrick Andries wrote:
> > Alex McLintock wrote:
> >> I don't know about an industry analysts study of XSL:FO but we 
> >> ought to be able to come up with case studies for people who have 
> >> successfully used FOP.
> > I think this is crucial. I found nothing of the sort.
>
> There was recently an announcement on the cocoon list that
> a major NASA site (KSC, i believe) is being redesigned
> using Cocoon 2 (includes FOP) and will going online soon. Perhaps some

> details regarding FOP usage there could be asked for.
>
> Apart from this, for my job I found XSLFO superior to
> the various proprietary reporting tools (rather expensive stuff). It's

> just me, though.
>
> J.Pietschmann
>
>
>
>