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Posted to dev@subversion.apache.org by kf...@collab.net on 2004/04/12 21:03:32 UTC
Re: [Issue 1813] Using ./.subversion, if it exists, to override/augment ~/.subversion settings
Lele Gaifax <le...@nautilus.homeip.net> writes:
> kfogel> http://subversion.tigris.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=1813
>
> kfogel> We generally prefer to discuss new ideas on the mailing
> kfogel> lists, then summarize the conclusions in the issue tracker
> kfogel> (with pointers to the mailing list thread, of course).
> kfogel> This is so the issue tracker remains more or less a todo
> kfogel> list, instead of being a discussion forum, since it's not
> kfogel> well-suited technically for the latter.
>
> Pardon me, but while I wished for better arguments to justify
> status'ing it Resolved, as already said in this ML (see below), I
> *did* talk about that both on IRC and on ML, and you are the second
> person that instead of making a point, or see if others can take
> advantage of an idea (or not!-) just drop it because "we didn't talk
> /there/ about /this/": maybe this should be made clear before letting
> one submit a new issue, but, imho, one should never assume that "since
> I never heard of it, it must not be relevant".
No, you misunderstood what I wrote.
You opened an issue about a discussion that took place on mailing
lists / in IRC... but you attached none of that context to the issue!
Therefore, I had no way to know that there *was* any such context.
So I closed the issue, asking for discussion first, but also said if
the discussion had already been had, to please reopen with pointers to
the correct archives.
And, since you mention it, this policy *is* "made clear", right on the
front page of the issue tracker:
http://subversion.tigris.org/project_issues.html
Notice the big yellow box with text near the top, and see the third
bulleted item in that box.
> Anyway...
>
> kfogel> Can you take this idea to dev@subversion.tigris.org?
>
> Here I am :-)
Yes, thank you.
> kfogel> Or, if there *is* a mailing list thread on this, reopen
> kfogel> this issue and link to it.
>
> Uhm, *can* I actually do that?
Uhm, yes, otherwise I wouldn't have asked. Did you try?
> See these messages:
>
> [...]
>
> And browse this "focusnipped" chat on #svn, 29/03/2004 23:15:05 CET:
>
> [...]
Yes, this is exactly the stuff I was asking for you to put in the
issue when you reopen it. Can you do that? Thanks.
> So, again, if it's a stupid idea, say that, and I'll be happy. But
> before that, spend a few seconds to think about it, because even if
> evidently *others* have done that before you, this should not
> interfere with its goodness/badness ratio.
You have no idea how many seconds (or more) I spent thinking about it
before I asked for more context, so please don't make guesses.
If you'll just include the context the first time, this won't happen.
(And if you forget to, that's fine, but don't complain that you've
been done an injustice, just because someone asks you to follow the
clear & posted issue tracker guidelines :-) ).
Thanks,
-Karl
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Re: [Issue 1813] Using ./.subversion, if it exists, to override/augment ~/.subversion settings
Posted by kf...@collab.net.
Lele Gaifax <le...@nautilus.homeip.net> writes:
> kfogel> But if we can't get some context into that issue tracker,
> kfogel> we have a problem. Let's try to solve it...
>
> Wandering around I discovered I needed the observer role to reopen the
> issue and be able to add the context. Hopefully it's fixed now.
Thanks!
-K
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Re: [Issue 1813] Using ./.subversion, if it exists, to override/augment ~/.subversion settings
Posted by Lele Gaifax <le...@nautilus.homeip.net>.
>>>>> "kfogel" == kfogel <kf...@collab.net> writes:
kfogel> But if we can't get some context into that issue tracker,
kfogel> we have a problem. Let's try to solve it...
Wandering around I discovered I needed the observer role to reopen the
issue and be able to add the context. Hopefully it's fixed now.
hth,
ciao, lele.
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Re: [Issue 1813] Using ./.subversion, if it exists, to override/augment ~/.subversion settings
Posted by kf...@collab.net.
Lele Gaifax <le...@nautilus.homeip.net> writes:
> kfogel> Or, if there *is* a mailing list thread on this, reopen
> kfogel> this issue and link to it.
> >> Uhm, *can* I actually do that?
>
> kfogel> Uhm, yes, otherwise I wouldn't have asked. Did you try?
>
> Uhm, yes, otherwise I wouldn't have asked.
Then, please don't just ask "*can* I actually do that?" and give no
more information. Instead, describe what you tried to do and how it
didn't work. The issue tracker should allow you to add comments to
any issue, if you're logged in, and clearly you were at some point,
because you filed the issue.
There was no way for me to tell from your sentence what you tried to
do and/or what went wrong. But if we can't get some context into that
issue tracker, we have a problem. Let's try to solve it...
Thanks,
-K
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Re: [Issue 1813] Using ./.subversion, if it exists, to override/augment ~/.subversion settings
Posted by Lele Gaifax <le...@nautilus.homeip.net>.
>>>>> "kfogel" == kfogel <kf...@collab.net> writes:
kfogel> Notice the big yellow box with text near the top, and see
kfogel> the third bulleted item in that box.
Yes, and it seems I did followed it, didn't I?
kfogel> Or, if there *is* a mailing list thread on this, reopen
kfogel> this issue and link to it.
>> Uhm, *can* I actually do that?
kfogel> Uhm, yes, otherwise I wouldn't have asked. Did you try?
Uhm, yes, otherwise I wouldn't have asked.
>> So, again, if it's a stupid idea, say that, and I'll be happy.
>> But before that, spend a few seconds to think about it, because
>> even if evidently *others* have done that before you, this
>> should not interfere with its goodness/badness ratio.
kfogel> You have no idea how many seconds (or more) I spent
kfogel> thinking about it before I asked for more context, so
kfogel> please don't make guesses.
As I have an exact idea of the amount of time I devoted to this issue,
and yet I did not hear anything sensible about it, I guess it's got
its chance.
kfogel> If you'll just include the context the first time, this
kfogel> won't happen. (And if you forget to, that's fine, but
kfogel> don't complain that you've been done an injustice, just
kfogel> because someone asks you to follow the clear & posted
kfogel> issue tracker guidelines :-) ).
That was *not* my complain, btw.
ciao, lele.
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real: Emanuele Gaifas | comincerò ad aver paura di chi mi copia.
email: lele@seldati.it | -- Fortunato Depero, 1929.
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