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S4 status (was: Re: Thoughts on Incubator board reports)
Jukka Zitting wrote on Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 14:41:00 +0100:
> Just pick one from the list (ideally one that you aren't directly
> mentoring), read the submitted report (if one exists!) and compare it
> to the previous report (for most podlings that's the one from December
> [2]) and a quick browsing of things like the podling status page [3],
> web site, list archives and svn commit history. Then, if needed,
> follow up with a "$podling status" mail to general@ for any feedback
> or questions that you may have. You may also place the podling in the
> appropriate category in the report summary if the review gave you a
> good enough picture of the podling status.
>
Thanks for the actionable item Jukka, here's my take on the S4 report:
It sounds like the project has successfully migrated its infrastructure
to Apache and is progressing well on the technical front. However, I'm
concerned by the emphasis on technical details (eg, the feature list of
the trunk-become-0.5 version) and the lack of details on "Grow the
community"; it is the latter, not the former, which is the purpose of
the incubator and a blocker to graduation.
The community appears to consist of 2-3 active contributors:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-s4-dev/201202.mbox/author
I'd like to hear from the PPMC how they plan to expand their dev
community.
Daniel
P.S. The metrics aren't really clear. What is "55 on dev" --- 55 unique
posters? 55 posts? Did they change by more than X% since last quarter?
> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2012
> [2] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2011
> [3] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
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Re: S4 status (was: Re: Thoughts on Incubator board reports)
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
Daniel Shahaf wrote on Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:07:18 +0200:
> Flavio Junqueira wrote on Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 00:21:13 +0100:
> > Is there anything important I'm missing?
>
> (/me leaves this question for the rest of general@ to answer)
... as I think their answers will be more useful than mine. I'm not
bestpositioned to answer your question.
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Re: S4 status (was: Re: Thoughts on Incubator board reports)
Posted by Flavio Junqueira <fp...@s4.io>.
Let's leave it for the next report then, I probably have all information but spread across sources, so I don't have it ready.
Thanks,
-Flavio
On Mar 14, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Flavio Junqueira <fp...@s4.io> wrote:
>> Hi Jukka, We can certainly provide the information you request.
>
> Cool, thanks!
>
>> Do you want us to update the last report or to consider it for future reports?
>
> No need to rush unless you already have the info readily available.
> I'm submitting the Incubator report in a few hours.
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
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Re: S4 status (was: Re: Thoughts on Incubator board reports)
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Flavio Junqueira <fp...@s4.io> wrote:
> Hi Jukka, We can certainly provide the information you request.
Cool, thanks!
> Do you want us to update the last report or to consider it for future reports?
No need to rush unless you already have the info readily available.
I'm submitting the Incubator report in a few hours.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: S4 status (was: Re: Thoughts on Incubator board reports)
Posted by Flavio Junqueira <fp...@s4.io>.
Hi Jukka, We can certainly provide the information you request. Do you want us to update the last report or to consider it for future reports?
-Flavio
On Mar 14, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for the review and followup, Daniel!
>
> Flavio Junqueira wrote on Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 00:21:13 +0100:
>> Is there anything important I'm missing?
>
> I'm happy with your report for this month (with the note, as already
> raised by Daniel, that technical issues are not relevant to
> graduation).
>
> Going forward it would be great if you (and other podlings for that
> matter) included a note about how many active committers you have and
> how independent (separate employers, etc.) they are. That would make
> it easier to for us to see how active and diverse the project
> community is.
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
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Re: S4 status (was: Re: Thoughts on Incubator board reports)
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Thanks for the review and followup, Daniel!
Flavio Junqueira wrote on Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 00:21:13 +0100:
> Is there anything important I'm missing?
I'm happy with your report for this month (with the note, as already
raised by Daniel, that technical issues are not relevant to
graduation).
Going forward it would be great if you (and other podlings for that
matter) included a note about how many active committers you have and
how independent (separate employers, etc.) they are. That would make
it easier to for us to see how active and diverse the project
community is.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: S4 status (was: Re: Thoughts on Incubator board reports)
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
Flavio Junqueira wrote on Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 00:21:13 +0100:
> Thanks for your interest in the project. Here are my thoughts about the points raised.
>
> >>> I'd like to hear from the PPMC how they plan to expand their dev
> >>> community.
>
>
> I expect us to attract more developers by increasing awareness. We
> have given presentations about the project internally (at least at
> Yahoo!) and externally. Some of the developers have written a paper
> about it and presented in 2010 (KDCloud) and we have proposed a talk
> for the next hadoop summit. Hopefully as developers hear more about
> the project they will feel compelled to join the community and
> contribute. We also expect to attract more attention once we have
> a release out (I believe we are close to cut a release). With
> a release, we can write a few blog posts about it and promote the
> project.
>
Thanks for the information; good luck.
> Is there anything important I'm missing?
(/me leaves this question for the rest of general@ to answer)
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Re: S4 status (was: Re: Thoughts on Incubator board reports)
Posted by Flavio Junqueira <fp...@s4.io>.
Thanks for your interest in the project. Here are my thoughts about the points raised.
>>> I'd like to hear from the PPMC how they plan to expand their dev
>>> community.
I expect us to attract more developers by increasing awareness. We have given presentations about the project internally (at least at Yahoo!) and externally. Some of the developers have written a paper about it and presented in 2010 (KDCloud) and we have proposed a talk for the next hadoop summit. Hopefully as developers hear more about the project they will feel compelled to join the community and contribute. We also expect to attract more attention once we have a release out (I believe we are close to cut a release). With a release, we can write a few blog posts about it and promote the project.
Is there anything important I'm missing?
>>> P.S. The metrics aren't really clear. What is "55 on dev" --- 55 unique
>>> posters? 55 posts? Did they change by more than X% since last quarter?
We don't have numbers from previous quarters. The only other number I have is 124 watchers on github.
-Flavio
On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:56 PM, Patrick Hunt wrote:
> +s4-dev@
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name> wrote:
>> Ping, waiting for a response from s4-dev@ folks.
>>
>> Daniel Shahaf wrote on Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 16:19:27 +0200:
>>> Jukka Zitting wrote on Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 14:41:00 +0100:
>>>> Just pick one from the list (ideally one that you aren't directly
>>>> mentoring), read the submitted report (if one exists!) and compare it
>>>> to the previous report (for most podlings that's the one from December
>>>> [2]) and a quick browsing of things like the podling status page [3],
>>>> web site, list archives and svn commit history. Then, if needed,
>>>> follow up with a "$podling status" mail to general@ for any feedback
>>>> or questions that you may have. You may also place the podling in the
>>>> appropriate category in the report summary if the review gave you a
>>>> good enough picture of the podling status.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the actionable item Jukka, here's my take on the S4 report:
>>>
>>> It sounds like the project has successfully migrated its infrastructure
>>> to Apache and is progressing well on the technical front. However, I'm
>>> concerned by the emphasis on technical details (eg, the feature list of
>>> the trunk-become-0.5 version) and the lack of details on "Grow the
>>> community"; it is the latter, not the former, which is the purpose of
>>> the incubator and a blocker to graduation.
>>>
>>> The community appears to consist of 2-3 active contributors:
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-s4-dev/201202.mbox/author
>>> I'd like to hear from the PPMC how they plan to expand their dev
>>> community.
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> P.S. The metrics aren't really clear. What is "55 on dev" --- 55 unique
>>> posters? 55 posts? Did they change by more than X% since last quarter?
>>>
>>>> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2012
>>>> [2] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2011
>>>> [3] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/
>>>>
>>>> BR,
>>>>
>>>> Jukka Zitting
>>>>
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Re: S4 status (was: Re: Thoughts on Incubator board reports)
Posted by Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>.
+s4-dev@
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name> wrote:
> Ping, waiting for a response from s4-dev@ folks.
>
> Daniel Shahaf wrote on Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 16:19:27 +0200:
>> Jukka Zitting wrote on Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 14:41:00 +0100:
>> > Just pick one from the list (ideally one that you aren't directly
>> > mentoring), read the submitted report (if one exists!) and compare it
>> > to the previous report (for most podlings that's the one from December
>> > [2]) and a quick browsing of things like the podling status page [3],
>> > web site, list archives and svn commit history. Then, if needed,
>> > follow up with a "$podling status" mail to general@ for any feedback
>> > or questions that you may have. You may also place the podling in the
>> > appropriate category in the report summary if the review gave you a
>> > good enough picture of the podling status.
>> >
>>
>> Thanks for the actionable item Jukka, here's my take on the S4 report:
>>
>> It sounds like the project has successfully migrated its infrastructure
>> to Apache and is progressing well on the technical front. However, I'm
>> concerned by the emphasis on technical details (eg, the feature list of
>> the trunk-become-0.5 version) and the lack of details on "Grow the
>> community"; it is the latter, not the former, which is the purpose of
>> the incubator and a blocker to graduation.
>>
>> The community appears to consist of 2-3 active contributors:
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-s4-dev/201202.mbox/author
>> I'd like to hear from the PPMC how they plan to expand their dev
>> community.
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> P.S. The metrics aren't really clear. What is "55 on dev" --- 55 unique
>> posters? 55 posts? Did they change by more than X% since last quarter?
>>
>> > [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2012
>> > [2] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2011
>> > [3] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/
>> >
>> > BR,
>> >
>> > Jukka Zitting
>> >
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Re: S4 status (was: Re: Thoughts on Incubator board reports)
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
Ping, waiting for a response from s4-dev@ folks.
Daniel Shahaf wrote on Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 16:19:27 +0200:
> Jukka Zitting wrote on Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 14:41:00 +0100:
> > Just pick one from the list (ideally one that you aren't directly
> > mentoring), read the submitted report (if one exists!) and compare it
> > to the previous report (for most podlings that's the one from December
> > [2]) and a quick browsing of things like the podling status page [3],
> > web site, list archives and svn commit history. Then, if needed,
> > follow up with a "$podling status" mail to general@ for any feedback
> > or questions that you may have. You may also place the podling in the
> > appropriate category in the report summary if the review gave you a
> > good enough picture of the podling status.
> >
>
> Thanks for the actionable item Jukka, here's my take on the S4 report:
>
> It sounds like the project has successfully migrated its infrastructure
> to Apache and is progressing well on the technical front. However, I'm
> concerned by the emphasis on technical details (eg, the feature list of
> the trunk-become-0.5 version) and the lack of details on "Grow the
> community"; it is the latter, not the former, which is the purpose of
> the incubator and a blocker to graduation.
>
> The community appears to consist of 2-3 active contributors:
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-s4-dev/201202.mbox/author
> I'd like to hear from the PPMC how they plan to expand their dev
> community.
>
> Daniel
>
> P.S. The metrics aren't really clear. What is "55 on dev" --- 55 unique
> posters? 55 posts? Did they change by more than X% since last quarter?
>
> > [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2012
> > [2] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2011
> > [3] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/
> >
> > BR,
> >
> > Jukka Zitting
> >
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