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[5.0] User experience
Hi,
Now that the webapp compilation is there and working, I paid some
attention to the possible first time user experience when using the
admin webapp, or even the first access to the index page.
This definitely changes the user experience a *lot* (unlike JMX, which
is invisible ;-) ). Costin was definitely right for that, and it was
worth the pain. Likely, this will make users try to look into how JSP
stuff can be so fast, and use compilation more (which would be cool, as
it would decrease the amount of compiler-not-found "bugs" being reported).
Remy
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Re: [REPOST] [VOTE] [4.1.22] Stability rating
Posted by Remy Maucherat <re...@apache.org>.
Glenn Nielsen wrote:
> Remy Maucherat wrote:
>
>> Glenn Nielsen wrote:
>>
>>> There was a bug fix to JDBCStore after 4.1.22 was built.
>>>
>>> I think we need a 4.1.23 build for stable.
>>>
>>> Sorry!
>>
>>
>>
>> No problem.
>> Since you're at it, could you remove the fileupload related
>> functionality from 4.1.x ?
>>
>
> If this is only because of the released state of commons-fileupload,
> then no. fileupload Beta 1 was released Feb 15, 2003. The HTMLManager
> is in synch with it and works.
>
> Besides, those features of the HTMLManager which use fileupload have
> already
> been included in a stable release. Kind of late to remove them now.
This is not true. 4.1.18 included version 1.12 of the HTML manager,
which had no dependencies on commons-fileupload.
As people have expressed desire to remove that dependency, I would be
grateful if you did actually remove it. Or release a final version of
fileupload.
Remy
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Re: [REPOST] [VOTE] [4.1.22] Stability rating
Posted by Glenn Nielsen <gl...@mail.more.net>.
Costin Manolache wrote:
> Glenn Nielsen wrote:
>
>
>>>Beta != release.
>>>
>>>And no, that's not the main reason. If you need the manager to include
>>>fileupload - than place it in WEB-INF/lib, don't bloat server/lib.
>>>The /admin doesn't place struts.jar in server/lib.
>>>
>>
>>That can be done. But I will also have to move the
>>/server/lib/servlets-manager.jar into /manager/WEB-INF/lib and add
>>additional permissioins to the catalina.policy.
>
>
>
>
>>>I'm not comfortable with making HTMLManager too complex - but if you
>>>really need that, fine - but do it right.
>>>
>>>You could easily have a separate webapp that supports uploading - there
>>>is no need to have one kitchen-sink servlet that does everything.
>>>
>>
>>fileupload is used as part of the HTML anager so that you can upload a war
>>file to install. It makes no sense to split it out to a separate webapp.
>
>
> I understand what fileupload is doing - but HTML Manager doesn't have to
> get into content management, it is wrong design.
>
> Create another servlet that supports upload functionality. Or use webdav.
> We just can't keep adding features to HTMLManager - it is already too big
> for one servlet.
>
NO, NO, NO.
This doesn't have anything to do with content management.
It allows you to upload a WAR file and have it installed as a web application
context. i.e. One of the tasks the manager is supposed to do.
Glenn
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Re: [REPOST] [VOTE] [4.1.22] Stability rating
Posted by Costin Manolache <cm...@yahoo.com>.
Glenn Nielsen wrote:
>> Beta != release.
>>
>> And no, that's not the main reason. If you need the manager to include
>> fileupload - than place it in WEB-INF/lib, don't bloat server/lib.
>> The /admin doesn't place struts.jar in server/lib.
>>
>
> That can be done. But I will also have to move the
> /server/lib/servlets-manager.jar into /manager/WEB-INF/lib and add
> additional permissioins to the catalina.policy.
>> I'm not comfortable with making HTMLManager too complex - but if you
>> really need that, fine - but do it right.
>>
>> You could easily have a separate webapp that supports uploading - there
>> is no need to have one kitchen-sink servlet that does everything.
>>
>
> fileupload is used as part of the HTML anager so that you can upload a war
> file to install. It makes no sense to split it out to a separate webapp.
I understand what fileupload is doing - but HTML Manager doesn't have to
get into content management, it is wrong design.
Create another servlet that supports upload functionality. Or use webdav.
We just can't keep adding features to HTMLManager - it is already too big
for one servlet.
And certainly not in 4.1.22.
Costin
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Re: [REPOST] [VOTE] [4.1.22] Stability rating
Posted by Glenn Nielsen <gl...@mail.more.net>.
Costin Manolache wrote:
> Glenn Nielsen wrote:
>
>
>>Remy Maucherat wrote:
>>
>>>Glenn Nielsen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>There was a bug fix to JDBCStore after 4.1.22 was built.
>>>>
>>>>I think we need a 4.1.23 build for stable.
>>>>
>>>>Sorry!
>>>
>>>
>>>No problem.
>>>Since you're at it, could you remove the fileupload related
>>>functionality from 4.1.x ?
>>>
>>
>>If this is only because of the released state of commons-fileupload,
>>then no. fileupload Beta 1 was released Feb 15, 2003. The HTMLManager
>>is in synch with it and works.
>
>
> Beta != release.
>
> And no, that's not the main reason. If you need the manager to include
> fileupload - than place it in WEB-INF/lib, don't bloat server/lib.
> The /admin doesn't place struts.jar in server/lib.
>
That can be done. But I will also have to move the
/server/lib/servlets-manager.jar into /manager/WEB-INF/lib and add additional
permissioins to the catalina.policy.
> I'm not comfortable with making HTMLManager too complex - but if you really
> need that, fine - but do it right.
>
> You could easily have a separate webapp that supports uploading - there is
> no need to have one kitchen-sink servlet that does everything.
>
fileupload is used as part of the HTML anager so that you can upload a war
file to install. It makes no sense to split it out to a separate webapp.
> Costin
>
>
>>Besides, those features of the HTMLManager which use fileupload have
>>already
>>been included in a stable release. Kind of late to remove them now.
>>
>>Glenn
>>
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>>Missouri Research and Education Network | */ |
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>
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>
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Re: [REPOST] [VOTE] [4.1.22] Stability rating
Posted by Costin Manolache <cm...@yahoo.com>.
Glenn Nielsen wrote:
> Remy Maucherat wrote:
>> Glenn Nielsen wrote:
>>
>>> There was a bug fix to JDBCStore after 4.1.22 was built.
>>>
>>> I think we need a 4.1.23 build for stable.
>>>
>>> Sorry!
>>
>>
>> No problem.
>> Since you're at it, could you remove the fileupload related
>> functionality from 4.1.x ?
>>
>
> If this is only because of the released state of commons-fileupload,
> then no. fileupload Beta 1 was released Feb 15, 2003. The HTMLManager
> is in synch with it and works.
Beta != release.
And no, that's not the main reason. If you need the manager to include
fileupload - than place it in WEB-INF/lib, don't bloat server/lib.
The /admin doesn't place struts.jar in server/lib.
I'm not comfortable with making HTMLManager too complex - but if you really
need that, fine - but do it right.
You could easily have a separate webapp that supports uploading - there is
no need to have one kitchen-sink servlet that does everything.
Costin
>
> Besides, those features of the HTMLManager which use fileupload have
> already
> been included in a stable release. Kind of late to remove them now.
>
> Glenn
>
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Re: [REPOST] [VOTE] [4.1.22] Stability rating
Posted by Glenn Nielsen <gl...@mail.more.net>.
Remy Maucherat wrote:
> Glenn Nielsen wrote:
>
>> There was a bug fix to JDBCStore after 4.1.22 was built.
>>
>> I think we need a 4.1.23 build for stable.
>>
>> Sorry!
>
>
> No problem.
> Since you're at it, could you remove the fileupload related
> functionality from 4.1.x ?
>
If this is only because of the released state of commons-fileupload,
then no. fileupload Beta 1 was released Feb 15, 2003. The HTMLManager
is in synch with it and works.
Besides, those features of the HTMLManager which use fileupload have already
been included in a stable release. Kind of late to remove them now.
Glenn
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Re: [REPOST] [VOTE] [4.1.22] Stability rating
Posted by Costin Manolache <cm...@yahoo.com>.
Remy Maucherat wrote:
> Glenn Nielsen wrote:
>> There was a bug fix to JDBCStore after 4.1.22 was built.
>>
>> I think we need a 4.1.23 build for stable.
>>
>> Sorry!
>
> No problem.
> Since you're at it, could you remove the fileupload related
> functionality from 4.1.x ?
Big +1 !
Costin
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Re: [REPOST] [VOTE] [4.1.22] Stability rating
Posted by Remy Maucherat <re...@apache.org>.
Glenn Nielsen wrote:
> There was a bug fix to JDBCStore after 4.1.22 was built.
>
> I think we need a 4.1.23 build for stable.
>
> Sorry!
No problem.
Since you're at it, could you remove the fileupload related
functionality from 4.1.x ?
Thanks,
Remy
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Re: [REPOST] [VOTE] [4.1.22] Stability rating
Posted by Glenn Nielsen <gl...@mail.more.net>.
There was a bug fix to JDBCStore after 4.1.22 was built.
I think we need a 4.1.23 build for stable.
Sorry!
Glenn
Remy Maucherat wrote:
> <ballot>
> [ ] Alpha
> [X] Beta
> [ ] Stable (GA)
> </ballot>
>
> Ok this is a nag ;-)
> The idea is that there's a (rather minor) security issue in 4.1.18, and
> we should have a release to fix it sooner than later (and I've been
> saying that for weeks now :-( ).
>
> I can release yet another build if needed.
>
> Remy
>
>
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[REPOST] [VOTE] [4.1.22] Stability rating
Posted by Remy Maucherat <re...@apache.org>.
<ballot>
[ ] Alpha
[ ] Beta
[ ] Stable (GA)
</ballot>
Ok this is a nag ;-)
The idea is that there's a (rather minor) security issue in 4.1.18, and
we should have a release to fix it sooner than later (and I've been
saying that for weeks now :-( ).
I can release yet another build if needed.
Remy
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RE: [4.1.22] Stability rating
Posted by George Sexton <gs...@mhsoftware.com>.
Works for me.
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Subject: [4.1.22] Stability rating
<ballot>
[ ] Alpha
[ ] Beta
[X] Stable (GA)
</ballot>
Remy
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[4.1.22] Stability rating
Posted by Remy Maucherat <re...@apache.org>.
<ballot>
[ ] Alpha
[ ] Beta
[ ] Stable (GA)
</ballot>
Remy
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