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Posted to dev@ofbiz.apache.org by David E Jones <de...@me.com> on 2010/04/15 05:50:02 UTC
The ofbiz.org domain
My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th of this year.
This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that aren't anything official related to the project)?
There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation if there is interest (I think some other projects have done this, while others have just let the old domain go).
What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
-David
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Doesn't matter to me - I'll just do something about it - which is what I was saying in the first place. The difference between me and the ASF is that I'm actually prepared to accept the domain, with the infra around it already - and that's why I even mentioned transferring it to me. I've got no plans to do anything with ofbiz.org other than help broker it to the ASF - which could be helpful to Mr. Jones.
Cheers,
Ruppert
On Apr 16, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>> I am more than happy to take that over for the project and migrate all of the redirects (and improve them even) once we get it over there to ensure we don't lose anything. Just let me know and I'll make this migration simple. I'm also a registrar so to Ean's point, I'm more than happy to take it on as the registrar and will guarantee that it will be migrated to the ASF whenever they are ready.
>>
> It would be just as difficult to transfer to Hotwax as it would be to
> transfer it to ASF. David should just pay the renewal fee so it doesn't
> get snapped up by a domain squatter and then transfer it to ASF whenever
> is convenient for all the involved parties.
>
> --
> Ean Schuessler, CTO
> ean@brainfood.com
> 214-720-0700 x 315
> Brainfood, Inc.
> http://www.brainfood.com
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Scott Gray <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
I don't think I can afford to participate in this auction :-(
Regards
Scott
On 17/04/2010, at 5:05 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>
> Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own.
>
> Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix).
>
> On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;)
>
> -David
>
>
> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>
>> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru.
>>
>> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ruppert
>>
>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
>>
>>> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it ....
>>>>
>>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use
>>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network
>>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is
>>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort.
>>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the
>>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd
>>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme.
>>>
>>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks
>>> in the larger picture?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO
>>> ean@brainfood.com
>>> 214-720-0700 x 315
>>> Brainfood, Inc.
>>> http://www.brainfood.com
>>>
>>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by David E Jones <de...@me.com>.
Shi,
I'm the one who started this discussion. My intention so far has been to try to encourage some action on this issue. So far, that has failed (lots of talk, no action).
If I kept ofbiz.org I'm not sure what I'd even do with it, and I'd rather have the ASF take it over.
Still, after the responses so far keeping it for my own isn't a bad idea... and becoming more tempting. Most likely though I'll just play the Hotwax game and hold on to it but change the DNS server and park it to encourage action.
-David
On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Shi Yusen wrote:
> I think David should keep ofbiz.org as his own. Community is not
> communist.
>
> Please stop this discussion.
>
>
> 在 2010-04-21三的 11:46 -0600，Tim Ruppert写道：
>> Here's the latest update from Infra at the ASF:
>>
>> 1. They will be happy to migrate the ofbiz.org domain.
>> 2. They have recommended that we not transfer it to them right away
>> - But instead either reup it where it is or migrate it to someone who can manage it
>> 3. The reason is that it will take a while for them to migrate all of the services :(
>> - This will be important IMO.
>> - The services that would be migrated would be:
>> -- DNS
>> -- Apache redirects
>> 4. Getting services in place before we move to the ASF.
>> - I think this is important because due to propagation, we would have everything already setup.
>> - This will lead to less headaches.
>>
>> Because David does not want to be in the middle of this, my vote would still be to transfer the domain to someone like Jacopo since he's the PMC chair. He gets the domain reup at really cheap prices, he has access to keep the services exactly as they are today and can get the information to the ASF, and there's no chance that he'd do something devious with the domain.
>>
>> David, if you are interested in this, please think about it and let us all know - this will ensure that services do not go down for anyone involved - and Jacopo can manage migrating it to the ASF once the DNS and apache host files are already in place.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ruppert
>>
>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:05 AM, David E Jones wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix).
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes this makes a lot of sense to me; let's see if the Infra can take action quickly (the ball is already in their court) and if not let's find another good solution together.
>>>
>>>> On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;)
>>>
>>> This is really great!
>>> BTW thank you David for bringing up this important topic.
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>>
>>>> -David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru.
>>>>>
>>>>> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Ruppert
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>>>>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it ....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use
>>>>>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network
>>>>>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is
>>>>>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort.
>>>>>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the
>>>>>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd
>>>>>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks
>>>>>> in the larger picture?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO
>>>>>> ean@brainfood.com
>>>>>> 214-720-0700 x 315
>>>>>> Brainfood, Inc.
>>>>>> http://www.brainfood.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
+1 for parking it.
your right it would force action.
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David E Jones sent the following on 4/21/2010 11:02 AM:
> Shi,
>
> I'm the one who started this discussion. My intention so far has been to try to encourage some action on this issue. So far, that has failed (lots of talk, no action).
>
> If I kept ofbiz.org I'm not sure what I'd even do with it, and I'd rather have the ASF take it over.
>
> Still, after the responses so far keeping it for my own isn't a bad idea... and becoming more tempting. Most likely though I'll just play the Hotwax game and hold on to it but change the DNS server and park it to encourage action.
>
> -David
>
>
> On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Shi Yusen wrote:
>
>> I think David should keep ofbiz.org as his own. Community is not
>> communist.
>>
>> Please stop this discussion.
>>
>>
>> 在 2010-04-21三的 11:46 -0600，Tim Ruppert写道：
>>> Here's the latest update from Infra at the ASF:
>>>
>>> 1. They will be happy to migrate the ofbiz.org domain.
>>> 2. They have recommended that we not transfer it to them right away
>>> - But instead either reup it where it is or migrate it to someone who can manage it
>>> 3. The reason is that it will take a while for them to migrate all of the services :(
>>> - This will be important IMO.
>>> - The services that would be migrated would be:
>>> -- DNS
>>> -- Apache redirects
>>> 4. Getting services in place before we move to the ASF.
>>> - I think this is important because due to propagation, we would have everything already setup.
>>> - This will lead to less headaches.
>>>
>>> Because David does not want to be in the middle of this, my vote would still be to transfer the domain to someone like Jacopo since he's the PMC chair. He gets the domain reup at really cheap prices, he has access to keep the services exactly as they are today and can get the information to the ASF, and there's no chance that he'd do something devious with the domain.
>>>
>>> David, if you are interested in this, please think about it and let us all know - this will ensure that services do not go down for anyone involved - and Jacopo can manage migrating it to the ASF once the DNS and apache host files are already in place.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ruppert
>>>
>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:05 AM, David E Jones wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix).
>>>>>
>>>> Yes this makes a lot of sense to me; let's see if the Infra can take action quickly (the ball is already in their court) and if not let's find another good solution together.
>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;)
>>>> This is really great!
>>>> BTW thank you David for bringing up this important topic.
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>>> -David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Ruppert
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>>>>>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it ....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use
>>>>>>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network
>>>>>>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is
>>>>>>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort.
>>>>>>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the
>>>>>>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd
>>>>>>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks
>>>>>>> in the larger picture?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO
>>>>>>> ean@brainfood.com
>>>>>>> 214-720-0700 x 315
>>>>>>> Brainfood, Inc.
>>>>>>> http://www.brainfood.com
>>>>>>>
>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Shi Yusen <sh...@langhua.cn>.
I think David should keep ofbiz.org as his own. Community is not
communist.
Please stop this discussion.
在 2010-04-21三的 11:46 -0600，Tim Ruppert写道：
> Here's the latest update from Infra at the ASF:
>
> 1. They will be happy to migrate the ofbiz.org domain.
> 2. They have recommended that we not transfer it to them right away
> - But instead either reup it where it is or migrate it to someone who can manage it
> 3. The reason is that it will take a while for them to migrate all of the services :(
> - This will be important IMO.
> - The services that would be migrated would be:
> -- DNS
> -- Apache redirects
> 4. Getting services in place before we move to the ASF.
> - I think this is important because due to propagation, we would have everything already setup.
> - This will lead to less headaches.
>
> Because David does not want to be in the middle of this, my vote would still be to transfer the domain to someone like Jacopo since he's the PMC chair. He gets the domain reup at really cheap prices, he has access to keep the services exactly as they are today and can get the information to the ASF, and there's no chance that he'd do something devious with the domain.
>
> David, if you are interested in this, please think about it and let us all know - this will ensure that services do not go down for anyone involved - and Jacopo can manage migrating it to the ASF once the DNS and apache host files are already in place.
>
> Cheers,
> Ruppert
>
> On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>
> > On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:05 AM, David E Jones wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own.
> >>
> >> Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix).
> >>
> >
> > Yes this makes a lot of sense to me; let's see if the Infra can take action quickly (the ball is already in their court) and if not let's find another good solution together.
> >
> >> On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;)
> >
> > This is really great!
> > BTW thank you David for bringing up this important topic.
> >
> > Jacopo
> >
> >>
> >> -David
> >>
> >>
> >> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
> >>
> >>> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru.
> >>>
> >>> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Ruppert
> >>>
> >>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Tim Ruppert wrote:
> >>>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it ....
> >>>>>
> >>>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use
> >>>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network
> >>>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is
> >>>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort.
> >>>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the
> >>>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd
> >>>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme.
> >>>>
> >>>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks
> >>>> in the larger picture?
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO
> >>>> ean@brainfood.com
> >>>> 214-720-0700 x 315
> >>>> Brainfood, Inc.
> >>>> http://www.brainfood.com
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
It does seem that way for sure - so as I said, the only decision we have left is whether or not you should reup at NetSol or if you want to get out of it - sending it to Jacopo so that he can ensure it migrates smoothly. Whatever works on your end is fine - I'll be happy to support the transition either way and get the information staged at the ASF before we pull the trigger on the transfer.
Cheers,
Ruppert
On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:53 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>
> Thanks for the update Tim.
>
> It sounds like no matter what we're not going to see any quick action on this.
>
> -David
>
>
> On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>
>> Here's the information from a thread between Shane, Upayavira, Jacopo and myself. Jacques and I also voted to make sure that it's setup before we switch, but this should give you ample reason to believe what I wrote before. They are basically saying that we should keep it going before it gets lost because they are not sure if they can dive in.
>>
>> There was another response saying that Upayavira might be able to help out straight away - so maybe it's not such a big deal. Again, putting the infra in place and testing before we transfer is the best route IMO.
>>
>> ---
>>
>>> No worries man - but you are on all of those if you're still on the private lists - here is the info that I've seen on the infra list:
>>>
>>> Sorry - too many mailing lists. This is an action item for Jacopo and David, who should *extend the existing domain registration* for another year.
>>>
>>> Then after the registration goes through, infra (thanks Upayavira!) needs to take the action (i.e. not trademarks@).
>>>
>>> I entered a JIRA ticket to track this, which is Infra's preferred method for tracking things:
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2625
>>>
>>>> Upayavira,
>>>>
>>>> please see my comments inline:
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Upayavira wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jacopo,
>>>>>
>>>>> I responded to this on trademarks@, but didn't CC, so I suspect you
>>>>> didn't see my reply.
>>>>
>>>> yes, I actually missed your reply, sorry for this.
>>>>
>>>>> I said:
>>>>>
>>>>> "I've just done a transfer for subversion, and would happily handle this
>>>>> for you (but over at infrastructure@).
>>>>>
>>>>> My guess though is that 20 days left is not enough - you'd have to wait
>>>>> for probably a month after renewal.
>>>>
>>>> It is fine even if the ofbiz.org domain is not reachable for some time; the important thing is that the ASF get it before it is stolen by someone else.
>>>>
>>>>> From what I've seen, renewing isn't
>>>>> really a problem as you may well retain that period on your domain even
>>>>> when transferred over to the Apache registrar's account."
>>>>>
>>>>> So basically, I doubt the registrar would allow you to transfer at this
>>>>> point anyhow.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said, I'm happy to help you with the migration. We can co-ordinate
>>>>> a time between us to attempt it, and I can do any necessary
>>>>> co-ordination with infra to make sure everything goes right.
>>>>
>>>> Perfect! Just let me know exactly what information you need from us and we will do all the required steps.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My main question is what do you want the domain once transferred.
>>>>> Serving the site off ofbiz.org I suspect would be a no-go. Having
>>>>> ofbiz.org redirect to ofbiz.apache.org would be exactly the preferred
>>>>> option.
>>>>
>>>> This is exactly what we would like to have: ofbiz.org should simply redirect to ofbiz.apache.org
>>>> Our main concern is that we want to be sure that ASF takes ownership of the ofbiz.org domain, before it is taken by a third party non part of the community.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So, let me know how/when you want to proceed.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ruppert
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:52 AM, David E Jones wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> As much as I'd like to take your word on all of this Tim, I know that at least the part related to me isn't correct. Could you forward some of the emails you've received about this? Aside from an email that just came through, I haven't even seen anything on the private mailing list... and that makes communication problems more likely.
>>>
>>> -David
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's the latest update from Infra at the ASF:
>>>>
>>>> 1. They will be happy to migrate the ofbiz.org domain.
>>>> 2. They have recommended that we not transfer it to them right away
>>>> - But instead either reup it where it is or migrate it to someone who can manage it
>>>> 3. The reason is that it will take a while for them to migrate all of the services :(
>>>> - This will be important IMO.
>>>> - The services that would be migrated would be:
>>>> -- DNS
>>>> -- Apache redirects
>>>> 4. Getting services in place before we move to the ASF.
>>>> - I think this is important because due to propagation, we would have everything already setup.
>>>> - This will lead to less headaches.
>>>>
>>>> Because David does not want to be in the middle of this, my vote would still be to transfer the domain to someone like Jacopo since he's the PMC chair. He gets the domain reup at really cheap prices, he has access to keep the services exactly as they are today and can get the information to the ASF, and there's no chance that he'd do something devious with the domain.
>>>>
>>>> David, if you are interested in this, please think about it and let us all know - this will ensure that services do not go down for anyone involved - and Jacopo can manage migrating it to the ASF once the DNS and apache host files are already in place.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Ruppert
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:05 AM, David E Jones wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes this makes a lot of sense to me; let's see if the Infra can take action quickly (the ball is already in their court) and if not let's find another good solution together.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> This is really great!
>>>>> BTW thank you David for bringing up this important topic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -David
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Ruppert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it ....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use
>>>>>>>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network
>>>>>>>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is
>>>>>>>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort.
>>>>>>>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the
>>>>>>>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd
>>>>>>>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks
>>>>>>>> in the larger picture?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO
>>>>>>>> ean@brainfood.com
>>>>>>>> 214-720-0700 x 315
>>>>>>>> Brainfood, Inc.
>>>>>>>> http://www.brainfood.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
the other option I just thought about is to transfer ownership to ASF
but keep the technical as you(david). That gets it over to ASF but you
still have control. you can transfer the Technical once ASF if ready.
look at other domains ASF has to see how they list the ownership.
BTW you can export the Zone and just import it into DNS server that is
not a big thing. takes all of 1/2 hour.
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Tim Ruppert sent the following on 4/21/2010 12:16 PM:
> It does seem that way for sure - so as I said, the only decision we have left is whether or not you should reup at NetSol or if you want to get out of it - sending it to Jacopo so that he can ensure it migrates smoothly. Whatever works on your end is fine - I'll be happy to support the transition either way and get the information staged at the ASF before we pull the trigger on the transfer.
>
> Cheers,
> Ruppert
>
> On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:53 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the update Tim.
>>
>> It sounds like no matter what we're not going to see any quick action on this.
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>
>>> Here's the information from a thread between Shane, Upayavira, Jacopo and myself. Jacques and I also voted to make sure that it's setup before we switch, but this should give you ample reason to believe what I wrote before. They are basically saying that we should keep it going before it gets lost because they are not sure if they can dive in.
>>>
>>> There was another response saying that Upayavira might be able to help out straight away - so maybe it's not such a big deal. Again, putting the infra in place and testing before we transfer is the best route IMO.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>>> No worries man - but you are on all of those if you're still on the private lists - here is the info that I've seen on the infra list:
>>>>
>>>> Sorry - too many mailing lists. This is an action item for Jacopo and David, who should *extend the existing domain registration* for another year.
>>>>
>>>> Then after the registration goes through, infra (thanks Upayavira!) needs to take the action (i.e. not trademarks@).
>>>>
>>>> I entered a JIRA ticket to track this, which is Infra's preferred method for tracking things:
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2625
>>>>
>>>>> Upayavira,
>>>>>
>>>>> please see my comments inline:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Upayavira wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacopo,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I responded to this on trademarks@, but didn't CC, so I suspect you
>>>>>> didn't see my reply.
>>>>> yes, I actually missed your reply, sorry for this.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I've just done a transfer for subversion, and would happily handle this
>>>>>> for you (but over at infrastructure@).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My guess though is that 20 days left is not enough - you'd have to wait
>>>>>> for probably a month after renewal.
>>>>> It is fine even if the ofbiz.org domain is not reachable for some time; the important thing is that the ASF get it before it is stolen by someone else.
>>>>>
>>>>>> From what I've seen, renewing isn't
>>>>>> really a problem as you may well retain that period on your domain even
>>>>>> when transferred over to the Apache registrar's account."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So basically, I doubt the registrar would allow you to transfer at this
>>>>>> point anyhow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I said, I'm happy to help you with the migration. We can co-ordinate
>>>>>> a time between us to attempt it, and I can do any necessary
>>>>>> co-ordination with infra to make sure everything goes right.
>>>>> Perfect! Just let me know exactly what information you need from us and we will do all the required steps.
>>>>>
>>>>>> My main question is what do you want the domain once transferred.
>>>>>> Serving the site off ofbiz.org I suspect would be a no-go. Having
>>>>>> ofbiz.org redirect to ofbiz.apache.org would be exactly the preferred
>>>>>> option.
>>>>> This is exactly what we would like to have: ofbiz.org should simply redirect to ofbiz.apache.org
>>>>> Our main concern is that we want to be sure that ASF takes ownership of the ofbiz.org domain, before it is taken by a third party non part of the community.
>>>>>
>>>>>> So, let me know how/when you want to proceed.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacopo
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ruppert
>>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:52 AM, David E Jones wrote:
>>>
>>>> As much as I'd like to take your word on all of this Tim, I know that at least the part related to me isn't correct. Could you forward some of the emails you've received about this? Aside from an email that just came through, I haven't even seen anything on the private mailing list... and that makes communication problems more likely.
>>>>
>>>> -David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here's the latest update from Infra at the ASF:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. They will be happy to migrate the ofbiz.org domain.
>>>>> 2. They have recommended that we not transfer it to them right away
>>>>> - But instead either reup it where it is or migrate it to someone who can manage it
>>>>> 3. The reason is that it will take a while for them to migrate all of the services :(
>>>>> - This will be important IMO.
>>>>> - The services that would be migrated would be:
>>>>> -- DNS
>>>>> -- Apache redirects
>>>>> 4. Getting services in place before we move to the ASF.
>>>>> - I think this is important because due to propagation, we would have everything already setup.
>>>>> - This will lead to less headaches.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because David does not want to be in the middle of this, my vote would still be to transfer the domain to someone like Jacopo since he's the PMC chair. He gets the domain reup at really cheap prices, he has access to keep the services exactly as they are today and can get the information to the ASF, and there's no chance that he'd do something devious with the domain.
>>>>>
>>>>> David, if you are interested in this, please think about it and let us all know - this will ensure that services do not go down for anyone involved - and Jacopo can manage migrating it to the ASF once the DNS and apache host files are already in place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Ruppert
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:05 AM, David E Jones wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes this makes a lot of sense to me; let's see if the Infra can take action quickly (the ball is already in their court) and if not let's find another good solution together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;)
>>>>>> This is really great!
>>>>>> BTW thank you David for bringing up this important topic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Ruppert
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it ....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use
>>>>>>>>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network
>>>>>>>>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is
>>>>>>>>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort.
>>>>>>>>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the
>>>>>>>>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd
>>>>>>>>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks
>>>>>>>>> in the larger picture?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO
>>>>>>>>> ean@brainfood.com
>>>>>>>>> 214-720-0700 x 315
>>>>>>>>> Brainfood, Inc.
>>>>>>>>> http://www.brainfood.com
>>>>>>>>>
>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by David E Jones <de...@me.com>.
Thanks for the update Tim.
It sounds like no matter what we're not going to see any quick action on this.
-David
On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
> Here's the information from a thread between Shane, Upayavira, Jacopo and myself. Jacques and I also voted to make sure that it's setup before we switch, but this should give you ample reason to believe what I wrote before. They are basically saying that we should keep it going before it gets lost because they are not sure if they can dive in.
>
> There was another response saying that Upayavira might be able to help out straight away - so maybe it's not such a big deal. Again, putting the infra in place and testing before we transfer is the best route IMO.
>
> ---
>
>> No worries man - but you are on all of those if you're still on the private lists - here is the info that I've seen on the infra list:
>>
>> Sorry - too many mailing lists. This is an action item for Jacopo and David, who should *extend the existing domain registration* for another year.
>>
>> Then after the registration goes through, infra (thanks Upayavira!) needs to take the action (i.e. not trademarks@).
>>
>> I entered a JIRA ticket to track this, which is Infra's preferred method for tracking things:
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2625
>>
>>> Upayavira,
>>>
>>> please see my comments inline:
>>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Upayavira wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jacopo,
>>>>
>>>> I responded to this on trademarks@, but didn't CC, so I suspect you
>>>> didn't see my reply.
>>>
>>> yes, I actually missed your reply, sorry for this.
>>>
>>>> I said:
>>>>
>>>> "I've just done a transfer for subversion, and would happily handle this
>>>> for you (but over at infrastructure@).
>>>>
>>>> My guess though is that 20 days left is not enough - you'd have to wait
>>>> for probably a month after renewal.
>>>
>>> It is fine even if the ofbiz.org domain is not reachable for some time; the important thing is that the ASF get it before it is stolen by someone else.
>>>
>>>> From what I've seen, renewing isn't
>>>> really a problem as you may well retain that period on your domain even
>>>> when transferred over to the Apache registrar's account."
>>>>
>>>> So basically, I doubt the registrar would allow you to transfer at this
>>>> point anyhow.
>>>>
>>>> As I said, I'm happy to help you with the migration. We can co-ordinate
>>>> a time between us to attempt it, and I can do any necessary
>>>> co-ordination with infra to make sure everything goes right.
>>>
>>> Perfect! Just let me know exactly what information you need from us and we will do all the required steps.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> My main question is what do you want the domain once transferred.
>>>> Serving the site off ofbiz.org I suspect would be a no-go. Having
>>>> ofbiz.org redirect to ofbiz.apache.org would be exactly the preferred
>>>> option.
>>>
>>> This is exactly what we would like to have: ofbiz.org should simply redirect to ofbiz.apache.org
>>> Our main concern is that we want to be sure that ASF takes ownership of the ofbiz.org domain, before it is taken by a third party non part of the community.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, let me know how/when you want to proceed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>
>
> Cheers,
> Ruppert
>
> On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:52 AM, David E Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> As much as I'd like to take your word on all of this Tim, I know that at least the part related to me isn't correct. Could you forward some of the emails you've received about this? Aside from an email that just came through, I haven't even seen anything on the private mailing list... and that makes communication problems more likely.
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>
>>> Here's the latest update from Infra at the ASF:
>>>
>>> 1. They will be happy to migrate the ofbiz.org domain.
>>> 2. They have recommended that we not transfer it to them right away
>>> - But instead either reup it where it is or migrate it to someone who can manage it
>>> 3. The reason is that it will take a while for them to migrate all of the services :(
>>> - This will be important IMO.
>>> - The services that would be migrated would be:
>>> -- DNS
>>> -- Apache redirects
>>> 4. Getting services in place before we move to the ASF.
>>> - I think this is important because due to propagation, we would have everything already setup.
>>> - This will lead to less headaches.
>>>
>>> Because David does not want to be in the middle of this, my vote would still be to transfer the domain to someone like Jacopo since he's the PMC chair. He gets the domain reup at really cheap prices, he has access to keep the services exactly as they are today and can get the information to the ASF, and there's no chance that he'd do something devious with the domain.
>>>
>>> David, if you are interested in this, please think about it and let us all know - this will ensure that services do not go down for anyone involved - and Jacopo can manage migrating it to the ASF once the DNS and apache host files are already in place.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ruppert
>>>
>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:05 AM, David E Jones wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes this makes a lot of sense to me; let's see if the Infra can take action quickly (the ball is already in their court) and if not let's find another good solution together.
>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;)
>>>>
>>>> This is really great!
>>>> BTW thank you David for bringing up this important topic.
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Ruppert
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>>>>>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it ....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use
>>>>>>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network
>>>>>>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is
>>>>>>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort.
>>>>>>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the
>>>>>>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd
>>>>>>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks
>>>>>>> in the larger picture?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO
>>>>>>> ean@brainfood.com
>>>>>>> 214-720-0700 x 315
>>>>>>> Brainfood, Inc.
>>>>>>> http://www.brainfood.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Sorry - this was supposed to be part of my message and somehow got lumped in with Shane's latest response. My apologies.
Cheers,
Ruppert
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595
On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>> No worries man - but you are on all of those if you're still on the private lists - here is the info that I've seen on the infra list:
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Here's the information from a thread between Shane, Upayavira, Jacopo and myself. Jacques and I also voted to make sure that it's setup before we switch, but this should give you ample reason to believe what I wrote before. They are basically saying that we should keep it going before it gets lost because they are not sure if they can dive in.
There was another response saying that Upayavira might be able to help out straight away - so maybe it's not such a big deal. Again, putting the infra in place and testing before we transfer is the best route IMO.
---
> No worries man - but you are on all of those if you're still on the private lists - here is the info that I've seen on the infra list:
>
> Sorry - too many mailing lists. This is an action item for Jacopo and David, who should *extend the existing domain registration* for another year.
>
> Then after the registration goes through, infra (thanks Upayavira!) needs to take the action (i.e. not trademarks@).
>
> I entered a JIRA ticket to track this, which is Infra's preferred method for tracking things:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2625
>
>> Upayavira,
>>
>> please see my comments inline:
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Upayavira wrote:
>>
>>> Jacopo,
>>>
>>> I responded to this on trademarks@, but didn't CC, so I suspect you
>>> didn't see my reply.
>>
>> yes, I actually missed your reply, sorry for this.
>>
>>> I said:
>>>
>>> "I've just done a transfer for subversion, and would happily handle this
>>> for you (but over at infrastructure@).
>>>
>>> My guess though is that 20 days left is not enough - you'd have to wait
>>> for probably a month after renewal.
>>
>> It is fine even if the ofbiz.org domain is not reachable for some time; the important thing is that the ASF get it before it is stolen by someone else.
>>
>>> From what I've seen, renewing isn't
>>> really a problem as you may well retain that period on your domain even
>>> when transferred over to the Apache registrar's account."
>>>
>>> So basically, I doubt the registrar would allow you to transfer at this
>>> point anyhow.
>>>
>>> As I said, I'm happy to help you with the migration. We can co-ordinate
>>> a time between us to attempt it, and I can do any necessary
>>> co-ordination with infra to make sure everything goes right.
>>
>> Perfect! Just let me know exactly what information you need from us and we will do all the required steps.
>>
>>>
>>> My main question is what do you want the domain once transferred.
>>> Serving the site off ofbiz.org I suspect would be a no-go. Having
>>> ofbiz.org redirect to ofbiz.apache.org would be exactly the preferred
>>> option.
>>
>> This is exactly what we would like to have: ofbiz.org should simply redirect to ofbiz.apache.org
>> Our main concern is that we want to be sure that ASF takes ownership of the ofbiz.org domain, before it is taken by a third party non part of the community.
>>
>>>
>>> So, let me know how/when you want to proceed.
>>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Jacopo
>
Cheers,
Ruppert
On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:52 AM, David E Jones wrote:
>
> As much as I'd like to take your word on all of this Tim, I know that at least the part related to me isn't correct. Could you forward some of the emails you've received about this? Aside from an email that just came through, I haven't even seen anything on the private mailing list... and that makes communication problems more likely.
>
> -David
>
>
> On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>
>> Here's the latest update from Infra at the ASF:
>>
>> 1. They will be happy to migrate the ofbiz.org domain.
>> 2. They have recommended that we not transfer it to them right away
>> - But instead either reup it where it is or migrate it to someone who can manage it
>> 3. The reason is that it will take a while for them to migrate all of the services :(
>> - This will be important IMO.
>> - The services that would be migrated would be:
>> -- DNS
>> -- Apache redirects
>> 4. Getting services in place before we move to the ASF.
>> - I think this is important because due to propagation, we would have everything already setup.
>> - This will lead to less headaches.
>>
>> Because David does not want to be in the middle of this, my vote would still be to transfer the domain to someone like Jacopo since he's the PMC chair. He gets the domain reup at really cheap prices, he has access to keep the services exactly as they are today and can get the information to the ASF, and there's no chance that he'd do something devious with the domain.
>>
>> David, if you are interested in this, please think about it and let us all know - this will ensure that services do not go down for anyone involved - and Jacopo can manage migrating it to the ASF once the DNS and apache host files are already in place.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ruppert
>>
>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:05 AM, David E Jones wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix).
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes this makes a lot of sense to me; let's see if the Infra can take action quickly (the ball is already in their court) and if not let's find another good solution together.
>>>
>>>> On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;)
>>>
>>> This is really great!
>>> BTW thank you David for bringing up this important topic.
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>>
>>>> -David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru.
>>>>>
>>>>> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Ruppert
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>>>>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it ....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use
>>>>>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network
>>>>>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is
>>>>>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort.
>>>>>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the
>>>>>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd
>>>>>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks
>>>>>> in the larger picture?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO
>>>>>> ean@brainfood.com
>>>>>> 214-720-0700 x 315
>>>>>> Brainfood, Inc.
>>>>>> http://www.brainfood.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by David E Jones <de...@me.com>.
As much as I'd like to take your word on all of this Tim, I know that at least the part related to me isn't correct. Could you forward some of the emails you've received about this? Aside from an email that just came through, I haven't even seen anything on the private mailing list... and that makes communication problems more likely.
-David
On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
> Here's the latest update from Infra at the ASF:
>
> 1. They will be happy to migrate the ofbiz.org domain.
> 2. They have recommended that we not transfer it to them right away
> - But instead either reup it where it is or migrate it to someone who can manage it
> 3. The reason is that it will take a while for them to migrate all of the services :(
> - This will be important IMO.
> - The services that would be migrated would be:
> -- DNS
> -- Apache redirects
> 4. Getting services in place before we move to the ASF.
> - I think this is important because due to propagation, we would have everything already setup.
> - This will lead to less headaches.
>
> Because David does not want to be in the middle of this, my vote would still be to transfer the domain to someone like Jacopo since he's the PMC chair. He gets the domain reup at really cheap prices, he has access to keep the services exactly as they are today and can get the information to the ASF, and there's no chance that he'd do something devious with the domain.
>
> David, if you are interested in this, please think about it and let us all know - this will ensure that services do not go down for anyone involved - and Jacopo can manage migrating it to the ASF once the DNS and apache host files are already in place.
>
> Cheers,
> Ruppert
>
> On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>
>> On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:05 AM, David E Jones wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own.
>>>
>>> Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix).
>>>
>>
>> Yes this makes a lot of sense to me; let's see if the Infra can take action quickly (the ball is already in their court) and if not let's find another good solution together.
>>
>>> On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;)
>>
>> This is really great!
>> BTW thank you David for bringing up this important topic.
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>>
>>> -David
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>>
>>>> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru.
>>>>
>>>> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Ruppert
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>>>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it ....
>>>>>>
>>>>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use
>>>>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network
>>>>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is
>>>>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort.
>>>>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the
>>>>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd
>>>>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks
>>>>> in the larger picture?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO
>>>>> ean@brainfood.com
>>>>> 214-720-0700 x 315
>>>>> Brainfood, Inc.
>>>>> http://www.brainfood.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Here's the latest update from Infra at the ASF:
1. They will be happy to migrate the ofbiz.org domain.
2. They have recommended that we not transfer it to them right away
- But instead either reup it where it is or migrate it to someone who can manage it
3. The reason is that it will take a while for them to migrate all of the services :(
- This will be important IMO.
- The services that would be migrated would be:
-- DNS
-- Apache redirects
4. Getting services in place before we move to the ASF.
- I think this is important because due to propagation, we would have everything already setup.
- This will lead to less headaches.
Because David does not want to be in the middle of this, my vote would still be to transfer the domain to someone like Jacopo since he's the PMC chair. He gets the domain reup at really cheap prices, he has access to keep the services exactly as they are today and can get the information to the ASF, and there's no chance that he'd do something devious with the domain.
David, if you are interested in this, please think about it and let us all know - this will ensure that services do not go down for anyone involved - and Jacopo can manage migrating it to the ASF once the DNS and apache host files are already in place.
Cheers,
Ruppert
On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:05 AM, David E Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own.
>>
>> Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix).
>>
>
> Yes this makes a lot of sense to me; let's see if the Infra can take action quickly (the ball is already in their court) and if not let's find another good solution together.
>
>> On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;)
>
> This is really great!
> BTW thank you David for bringing up this important topic.
>
> Jacopo
>
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>
>>> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru.
>>>
>>> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ruppert
>>>
>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it ....
>>>>>
>>>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use
>>>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network
>>>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is
>>>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort.
>>>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the
>>>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd
>>>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme.
>>>>
>>>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks
>>>> in the larger picture?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO
>>>> ean@brainfood.com
>>>> 214-720-0700 x 315
>>>> Brainfood, Inc.
>>>> http://www.brainfood.com
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:05 AM, David E Jones wrote:
>
> Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own.
>
> Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix).
>
Yes this makes a lot of sense to me; let's see if the Infra can take action quickly (the ball is already in their court) and if not let's find another good solution together.
> On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;)
This is really great!
BTW thank you David for bringing up this important topic.
Jacopo
>
> -David
>
>
> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>
>> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru.
>>
>> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ruppert
>>
>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
>>
>>> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it ....
>>>>
>>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use
>>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network
>>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is
>>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort.
>>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the
>>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd
>>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme.
>>>
>>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks
>>> in the larger picture?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO
>>> ean@brainfood.com
>>> 214-720-0700 x 315
>>> Brainfood, Inc.
>>> http://www.brainfood.com
>>>
>>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by David E Jones <de...@me.com>.
Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough before... the $35 or somehow saving me some effort in continuing to do things the old way is not the point, the point is to get this onto ASF infra ASAP just like all other resources. It would be way easier to click a few buttons but that wouldn't resolve the issue with ofbiz.org that some individual owns the domain and that the DNS is still hosted by a third party (ie Contegix).
On the other hand, the whole auctioning idea for the domain name is interesting... do I hear $1000? One thousand to the respectable lady in front. Do I hear $1500? Fifteen hundred to the gentleman in the t-shirt and shorts. Let's get this really going! Do I hear $5000? Amazing folks! Five thousand to the man in the suit with the hat with red lettering on it that I can't quite make out from here... looks like it starts with an "O" and is in all caps. Going once... going twice... sold! A special thanks to all involved, and to the man who... wait... wow again! I've just been informed that ofbiz.org and sun.com are now under the same umbrella... who could have imagined! ;)
-David
On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
> The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru.
>
> The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly.
>
> Cheers,
> Ruppert
>
> On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
>
>> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it ....
>>>
>> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use
>> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network
>> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is
>> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort.
>> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the
>> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd
>> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme.
>>
>> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks
>> in the larger picture?
>>
>> --
>> Ean Schuessler, CTO
>> ean@brainfood.com
>> 214-720-0700 x 315
>> Brainfood, Inc.
>> http://www.brainfood.com
>>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
The only thing that's less low effort is that this keeps David having to mess with it - which is what I'm hoping to avoid. As I said before - it doesn't matter to me - this is just a super cheap way of doing things and puts the onus on the people who want to follow this one all the way thru.
The good thing - is regardless of which way David decides to go - I think we'll be able to support making it happen relatively quickly.
Cheers,
Ruppert
On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it ....
>>
> I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use
> a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network
> Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is
> GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort.
> I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the
> domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd
> get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme.
>
> I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks
> in the larger picture?
>
> --
> Ean Schuessler, CTO
> ean@brainfood.com
> 214-720-0700 x 315
> Brainfood, Inc.
> http://www.brainfood.com
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Ean Schuessler <ea...@brainfood.com>.
Tim Ruppert wrote:
> I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it ....
>
I just figured David has been paying for it for some time and could use
a little reimbursement for his troubles. I agree with you that Network
Solutions prices are highway robbery. OpenSRS (TUCOWS) is cheaper as is
GoDaddy or a bunch of others but they all require some immediate effort.
I figured paying the $35 is the lowest effort way for David to keep the
domain secure until ASF-infra is ready to do something about it. He'd
get reimbursed and then some for his effort with my scheme.
I do share your dislike for Network Solutions but what's $35 more bucks
in the larger picture?
--
Ean Schuessler, CTO
ean@brainfood.com
214-720-0700 x 315
Brainfood, Inc.
http://www.brainfood.com
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
I guess I'd love to know why you're looking to pay $70+ for an interim solution when I can get do it for the community for just a few bucks and I'll likely be the one to help ensure that it actually gets pushed forward and maintained? Doesn't matter much to me, sounds like David should just put it up for auction - there seem to be a lot of people looking to spend money on it ....
Cheers,
Ruppert
On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>> David, it's not $35 for me - it's only a few bucks - so I'm happy to pay it and help broker this - especially since I'm not sure if it'll get handled by the ASF in time. There is a precedent here from the last migration, so I'd like to avoid that if possible. Let me know how I can help on this one.
>>
> Adam and I both have $35 for David, so he can make a $35 dollar profit.
> Any body one else want to get in on paying David back?
>
> --
> Ean Schuessler, CTO
> ean@brainfood.com
> 214-720-0700 x 315
> Brainfood, Inc.
> http://www.brainfood.com
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Ean Schuessler <ea...@brainfood.com>.
Tim Ruppert wrote:
> David, it's not $35 for me - it's only a few bucks - so I'm happy to pay it and help broker this - especially since I'm not sure if it'll get handled by the ASF in time. There is a precedent here from the last migration, so I'd like to avoid that if possible. Let me know how I can help on this one.
>
Adam and I both have $35 for David, so he can make a $35 dollar profit.
Any body one else want to get in on paying David back?
--
Ean Schuessler, CTO
ean@brainfood.com
214-720-0700 x 315
Brainfood, Inc.
http://www.brainfood.com
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Looks like the safer solution to me
Jacques
From: "Tim Ruppert" <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> David, it's not $35 for me - it's only a few bucks - so I'm happy to pay it and help broker this - especially since I'm not sure
> if it'll get handled by the ASF in time. There is a precedent here from the last migration, so I'd like to avoid that if
> possible. Let me know how I can help on this one.
>
> Cheers,
> Ruppert
>
> On Apr 16, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Scott Gray wrote:
>
>> On 17/04/2010, at 8:49 AM, David E Jones wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>>>> I am more than happy to take that over for the project and migrate all of the redirects (and improve them even) once we get it
>>>>> over there to ensure we don't lose anything. Just let me know and I'll make this migration simple. I'm also a registrar so
>>>>> to Ean's point, I'm more than happy to take it on as the registrar and will guarantee that it will be migrated to the ASF
>>>>> whenever they are ready.
>>>>>
>>>> It would be just as difficult to transfer to Hotwax as it would be to
>>>> transfer it to ASF. David should just pay the renewal fee so it doesn't
>>>> get snapped up by a domain squatter and then transfer it to ASF whenever
>>>> is convenient for all the involved parties.
>>>
>>> Perhaps, but then I'd be out another $35 and the chances of this being handled in the near future would be reduced. There is
>>> still nearly a month before it expires... and I suppose if it can't be done in that time then not only will this be informative
>>> but I'll also have to make a decision. I hate making decisions... there's always such a good chance that I'll decide wrong (I'm
>>> really good at that).
>>>
>>> -David
>>
>> Jacopo has got the ball rolling but if it doesn't see enough action on the ASF side in time then I'm sure the community can help
>> out with $35 (or HotWax can pick up the domain temporarily).
>>
>> Regards
>> Scott
>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
David, it's not $35 for me - it's only a few bucks - so I'm happy to pay it and help broker this - especially since I'm not sure if it'll get handled by the ASF in time. There is a precedent here from the last migration, so I'd like to avoid that if possible. Let me know how I can help on this one.
Cheers,
Ruppert
On Apr 16, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Scott Gray wrote:
> On 17/04/2010, at 8:49 AM, David E Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
>>
>>> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>>> I am more than happy to take that over for the project and migrate all of the redirects (and improve them even) once we get it over there to ensure we don't lose anything. Just let me know and I'll make this migration simple. I'm also a registrar so to Ean's point, I'm more than happy to take it on as the registrar and will guarantee that it will be migrated to the ASF whenever they are ready.
>>>>
>>> It would be just as difficult to transfer to Hotwax as it would be to
>>> transfer it to ASF. David should just pay the renewal fee so it doesn't
>>> get snapped up by a domain squatter and then transfer it to ASF whenever
>>> is convenient for all the involved parties.
>>
>> Perhaps, but then I'd be out another $35 and the chances of this being handled in the near future would be reduced. There is still nearly a month before it expires... and I suppose if it can't be done in that time then not only will this be informative but I'll also have to make a decision. I hate making decisions... there's always such a good chance that I'll decide wrong (I'm really good at that).
>>
>> -David
>
> Jacopo has got the ball rolling but if it doesn't see enough action on the ASF side in time then I'm sure the community can help out with $35 (or HotWax can pick up the domain temporarily).
>
> Regards
> Scott
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Scott Gray <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
On 17/04/2010, at 8:49 AM, David E Jones wrote:
>
> On Apr 16, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
>
>> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>> I am more than happy to take that over for the project and migrate all of the redirects (and improve them even) once we get it over there to ensure we don't lose anything. Just let me know and I'll make this migration simple. I'm also a registrar so to Ean's point, I'm more than happy to take it on as the registrar and will guarantee that it will be migrated to the ASF whenever they are ready.
>>>
>> It would be just as difficult to transfer to Hotwax as it would be to
>> transfer it to ASF. David should just pay the renewal fee so it doesn't
>> get snapped up by a domain squatter and then transfer it to ASF whenever
>> is convenient for all the involved parties.
>
> Perhaps, but then I'd be out another $35 and the chances of this being handled in the near future would be reduced. There is still nearly a month before it expires... and I suppose if it can't be done in that time then not only will this be informative but I'll also have to make a decision. I hate making decisions... there's always such a good chance that I'll decide wrong (I'm really good at that).
>
> -David
Jacopo has got the ball rolling but if it doesn't see enough action on the ASF side in time then I'm sure the community can help out with $35 (or HotWax can pick up the domain temporarily).
Regards
Scott
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by David E Jones <de...@me.com>.
On Apr 16, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>> I am more than happy to take that over for the project and migrate all of the redirects (and improve them even) once we get it over there to ensure we don't lose anything. Just let me know and I'll make this migration simple. I'm also a registrar so to Ean's point, I'm more than happy to take it on as the registrar and will guarantee that it will be migrated to the ASF whenever they are ready.
>>
> It would be just as difficult to transfer to Hotwax as it would be to
> transfer it to ASF. David should just pay the renewal fee so it doesn't
> get snapped up by a domain squatter and then transfer it to ASF whenever
> is convenient for all the involved parties.
Perhaps, but then I'd be out another $35 and the chances of this being handled in the near future would be reduced. There is still nearly a month before it expires... and I suppose if it can't be done in that time then not only will this be informative but I'll also have to make a decision. I hate making decisions... there's always such a good chance that I'll decide wrong (I'm really good at that).
-David
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Ean Schuessler <ea...@brainfood.com>.
Tim Ruppert wrote:
> I am more than happy to take that over for the project and migrate all of the redirects (and improve them even) once we get it over there to ensure we don't lose anything. Just let me know and I'll make this migration simple. I'm also a registrar so to Ean's point, I'm more than happy to take it on as the registrar and will guarantee that it will be migrated to the ASF whenever they are ready.
>
It would be just as difficult to transfer to Hotwax as it would be to
transfer it to ASF. David should just pay the renewal fee so it doesn't
get snapped up by a domain squatter and then transfer it to ASF whenever
is convenient for all the involved parties.
--
Ean Schuessler, CTO
ean@brainfood.com
214-720-0700 x 315
Brainfood, Inc.
http://www.brainfood.com
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
I am more than happy to take that over for the project and migrate all of the redirects (and improve them even) once we get it over there to ensure we don't lose anything. Just let me know and I'll make this migration simple. I'm also a registrar so to Ean's point, I'm more than happy to take it on as the registrar and will guarantee that it will be migrated to the ASF whenever they are ready.
Cheers,
Ruppert
On Apr 15, 2010, at 4:11 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>
> There seems to be quite a bit of interest in keeping it. Which of those who feels it is important to keep the domain will work with ASF infra to get it transferred?
>
> AFAIK there are two parts to this:
>
> 1. transfer the domain name to whatever registrar the ASF prefers
> 2. set up DNS entries for whatever DNs are desired
>
> For part #1, just let me know when to turn off the domain lock and I'll do it so that the registrar can be changed (it's with register.com right now). For #2 I'm not sure what the full list of DNS settings looks like as that has been handled by contegix for a while, so I guess whoever takes this on will need to research that and then send the details to the ASF to get it setup.
>
> -David
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2010, at 10:50 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th of this year.
>>
>> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that aren't anything official related to the project)?
>>
>> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation if there is interest (I think some other projects have done this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>>
>> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Scott Gray <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
I'll do it if no ones steps up in the next day or two, although I'd prefer not to have to.
Regards
Scott
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
On 16/04/2010, at 10:11 AM, David E Jones wrote:
>
> There seems to be quite a bit of interest in keeping it. Which of those who feels it is important to keep the domain will work with ASF infra to get it transferred?
>
> AFAIK there are two parts to this:
>
> 1. transfer the domain name to whatever registrar the ASF prefers
> 2. set up DNS entries for whatever DNs are desired
>
> For part #1, just let me know when to turn off the domain lock and I'll do it so that the registrar can be changed (it's with register.com right now). For #2 I'm not sure what the full list of DNS settings looks like as that has been handled by contegix for a while, so I guess whoever takes this on will need to research that and then send the details to the ASF to get it setup.
>
> -David
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2010, at 10:50 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th of this year.
>>
>> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that aren't anything official related to the project)?
>>
>> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation if there is interest (I think some other projects have done this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>>
>> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
I will contact ASF Infra today and let you know as soon as I have more information.
Thank you,
Jacopo
On Apr 16, 2010, at 12:11 AM, David E Jones wrote:
>
> There seems to be quite a bit of interest in keeping it. Which of those who feels it is important to keep the domain will work with ASF infra to get it transferred?
>
> AFAIK there are two parts to this:
>
> 1. transfer the domain name to whatever registrar the ASF prefers
> 2. set up DNS entries for whatever DNs are desired
>
> For part #1, just let me know when to turn off the domain lock and I'll do it so that the registrar can be changed (it's with register.com right now). For #2 I'm not sure what the full list of DNS settings looks like as that has been handled by contegix for a while, so I guess whoever takes this on will need to research that and then send the details to the ASF to get it setup.
>
> -David
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2010, at 10:50 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th of this year.
>>
>> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that aren't anything official related to the project)?
>>
>> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation if there is interest (I think some other projects have done this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>>
>> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com>.
Ean Schuessler wrote:
> I'm sure ASF-infra is up to their eyeballs in doo-doo right now thanks to the JIRA break-in. I know I've got $10 for you if you could pay to renew it and give ASF-infra some time to finish laundering their undershorts.
Underpants gnome?
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Ean Schuessler <ea...@brainfood.com>.
I'm sure ASF-infra is up to their eyeballs in doo-doo right now thanks to the JIRA break-in. I know I've got $10 for you if you could pay to renew it and give ASF-infra some time to finish laundering their undershorts.
----- "David E Jones" wrote:
> There seems to be quite a bit of interest in keeping it. Which of those who feels it is important to keep the domain will work with ASF infra to get it transferred?
> AFAIK there are two parts to this:
> 1. transfer the domain name to whatever registrar the ASF prefers
> 2. set up DNS entries for whatever DNs are desired
> For part #1, just let me know when to turn off the domain lock and I'll do it so that the registrar can be changed (it's with register.com right now). For #2 I'm not sure what the full list of DNS settings looks like as that has been handled by contegix for a while, so I guess whoever takes this on will need to research that and then send the details to the ASF to get it setup.
--
Ean Schuessler
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by David E Jones <de...@me.com>.
There seems to be quite a bit of interest in keeping it. Which of those who feels it is important to keep the domain will work with ASF infra to get it transferred?
AFAIK there are two parts to this:
1. transfer the domain name to whatever registrar the ASF prefers
2. set up DNS entries for whatever DNs are desired
For part #1, just let me know when to turn off the domain lock and I'll do it so that the registrar can be changed (it's with register.com right now). For #2 I'm not sure what the full list of DNS settings looks like as that has been handled by contegix for a while, so I guess whoever takes this on will need to research that and then send the details to the ASF to get it setup.
-David
On Apr 14, 2010, at 10:50 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>
> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th of this year.
>
> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that aren't anything official related to the project)?
>
> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation if there is interest (I think some other projects have done this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>
> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>
> -David
>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Ashish Vijaywargiya <vi...@gmail.com>.
I would prefer to keep it. Most of the time I type ofbiz.org in my browser :-).
--
Ashish
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:20 AM, David E Jones <de...@me.com> wrote:
>
> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th of this year.
>
> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that aren't anything official related to the project)?
>
> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation if there is interest (I think some other projects have done this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>
> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>
> -David
>
>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by David E Jones <de...@me.com>.
Why?
-David
On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:07 PM, hongs bill wrote:
> It is worth keeping around.
>
> 2010/4/15, David E Jones <de...@me.com>:
>>
>>
>> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th of
>> this year.
>>
>> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using it, or
>> let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that aren't anything
>> official related to the project)?
>>
>> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't
>> needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.orgdomain. The
>> ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the
>> foundation if there is interest (I think some other projects have done this,
>> while others have just let the old domain go).
>>
>> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> I am hongs
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by hongs bill <bi...@gmail.com>.
It is worth keeping around.
2010/4/15, David E Jones <de...@me.com>:
>
>
> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th of
> this year.
>
> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using it, or
> let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that aren't anything
> official related to the project)?
>
> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't
> needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.orgdomain. The
> ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the
> foundation if there is interest (I think some other projects have done this,
> while others have just let the old domain go).
>
> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>
> -David
>
>
>
--
I am hongs
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com>.
David E Jones wrote:
> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th of this year.
>
> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that aren't anything official related to the project)?
>
> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation if there is interest (I think some other projects have done this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>
> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
I'd say keep it, it's easier to remember in my honest opinion.
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Ruth Hoffman <rh...@aesolves.com>.
Hi Ean:
Good reason to try and get ASF to keep it. (No disrespect intended but,
need I mention, underneath all this, is the "commercial" reality that
your comment implies.)
Regards,
Ruth
Ean Schuessler wrote:
> It would cause major damage to our Google search placement to drop all
> the pages in their database on the ofbiz.org domain. We should, at
> least, keep it for another year with permanent redirects on all URLs
> to the Apache equivalent. My $0.02.
>
> David E Jones wrote:
>> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th
>> of this year.
>>
>> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using
>> it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that
>> aren't anything official related to the project)?
>>
>> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't
>> needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.org
>> domain. The ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and
>> maintained by the foundation if there is interest (I think some other
>> projects have done this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>>
>> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Ean Schuessler <ea...@brainfood.com>.
It would cause major damage to our Google search placement to drop all
the pages in their database on the ofbiz.org domain. We should, at
least, keep it for another year with permanent redirects on all URLs to
the Apache equivalent. My $0.02.
David E Jones wrote:
> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th of this year.
>
> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that aren't anything official related to the project)?
>
> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation if there is interest (I think some other projects have done this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>
> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>
--
Ean Schuessler, CTO
ean@brainfood.com
214-720-0700 x 315
Brainfood, Inc.
http://www.brainfood.com
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Scott Gray <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
+1 let's keep a hold of it. Even if for no other reason than we don't want anyone else to grab it up and use it in a way that we may not like. I'm sure it gets a lot of hits, I still use it.
Regards
Scott
On 15/04/2010, at 4:14 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
> +1 please transfer it to Apache so that the old URLs will be preserved - and bookmarks can be worked on. I'll be happy to send them the stuff that we're doing at Contegix now and push it forward.
>
> Cheers,
> Ruppert
>
> On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:50 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th of this year.
>>
>> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that aren't anything official related to the project)?
>>
>> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation if there is interest (I think some other projects have done this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>>
>> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
+1 please transfer it to Apache so that the old URLs will be preserved - and bookmarks can be worked on. I'll be happy to send them the stuff that we're doing at Contegix now and push it forward.
Cheers,
Ruppert
On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:50 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>
> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th of this year.
>
> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that aren't anything official related to the project)?
>
> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation if there is interest (I think some other projects have done this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>
> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>
> -David
>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Ryan Foster <ry...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Ruth,
I disagree with you on point number 2. Ofbiz.org is not just a domain name. The name OFBiz is a product, and a brand-able, trademark-able product at that. So, while the domain may not have as much brand value as apple.com, microsoft.com, or, from an open source perspective, wordpress.com; the same principle applies. So even though WordPress is widely distributed and thousands of people make boatloads of money selling themes, customizations, implementation, etc. I think you would have a very tough trying to get anyone to sell you the wordpress.org or the wordpress.com domain.
The license for OFBiz resides with Apache, so the domain should reside with them as well. The brand name, OFBiz, is intellectual property and any derivatives of that name including ofbiz.org, ofbiz.net, ofbiz.com, etc are part of the intellectual property.
As far as your commercial success goes, I think you should make money. Lots and lots of money. If you spend time and effort writing good books that provide valuable information, what's wrong with making a profit on them? Most, if not all of the information contained in the 50-60 books I own on design and development could have been found combing through resources on the internet, but I bought them because the were well written, information books. I know every book that Zeldman wrote on CSS, but I don't think he ever tried to register css.org -- he can't, because it's owned by The Colorado Springs School luck bastards ;-)
Ryan Foster
HotWax Media
801.671.0769
ryan.foster@hotwaxmedia.com
On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
> Hi Jacques:
>
> Wow, I'm flattered that you would compare myOFBiz.com to Java! Or at least juxtapose it with the "big boys" :-)
>
> Just to clear the air:
>
> 1) myOFBiz.com is not an organization, company or any other commercially viable entity. It is a domain name and a server running an instance of OFBiz.
>
> 2) Like myOFBiz.com, ofbiz.org is only a domain name. Both have no intellectual property or other proprietary resources that could be sold. The only thing that can be sold, in either case, is the domain name. Which, I have to admit for ofbiz.org has brand recognition - at least today. That is why I'm interested in it. .
>
> 3) I fully understand your position. IMO the ofbiz.org domain is not a sacred icon. In fact, as each day goes by, it has less and less meaning. If project committers and other OFBiz devotees wish to worship at the ofbiz.org shrine, then who am I to ask "why?". It is you belief that ofbiz.org has value. I'm very progressive in at least this regard: I believe, "to each his/her own".
>
> On a related note, do you feel that there is something wrong with commercial success? What I mean is, why can't OFBiz enjoy some "commercial" success? Or maybe I should ask, what do you mean by "commercial"?
>
> Kind Regards,
> Ruth
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> Hi Ruth,
>>
>> I'm sorry to say that I agree with Jeroen. I'd never have made a proposition like yours: for me ofbiz.org is clearly and should
>> remain a community name.
>>
>> It's not directed against you, because I believe in your faith in OFBiz. But who knows what will happen with your effort? It's hard
>> to trust people, even when you have a good feeling, but it's even harder to trust organizations. Look for instance at what happened
>> recently to Java now owned by Oracle (and BTW according to Tiobe recenlty lost its 1st place as a language
>> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html), MySql may also suffer for the same reason, and we know the IT
>> history is cluttered of such cases.
>>
>> Also I was already dissapointed by the Opentaps experience. Even if Si has been almost clear about his intentions (not sure at which
>> point though) see "How to make money from open source" at http://www.opensourcestrategies.org/.
>>
>> My 2 cts
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rh...@aesolves.com>
>>> Hi Jeroen:
>>> If this was a directed to me, then:
>>>
>>> 1) My enterprise is not a money making, "commercial" concern. My mission has always been to provide high quality affordable
>>> learning resources to the community at large. My view of the "community" is anyone looking for OFBiz materials, not just project
>>> committers. The only way I can possible afford to do that is charge a nominal fee for some of these books. And, believe me, I'm
>>> not making any money on this endeavor. As I've said before, it is a labor of love.
>>>
>>> 2) Want to donate money to help the cause? Buy some of my books. You will help pay for the server and hosting, quality content
>>> creation tools, professional editors, SME's time in reviewing materials...and I could go on.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ruth
>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
>>> ruth.hoffman@myofbiz.com
>>>
>>> Jeroen van der Wal wrote:
>>>> I don't like to see ofbiz.org to be used for commercial purposes. If
>>>> the subscription cost is a problem I'm willing to make a donation in
>>>> order to keep the domain within the community.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Ryan Foster <ry...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Ruth,
I disagree with you on point number 2. Ofbiz.org is not just a domain name. The name OFBiz is a product, and a brand-able, trademark-able product at that. So, while the domain may not have as much brand value as apple.com, microsoft.com, or, from an open source perspective, wordpress.com; the same principle applies. So even though WordPress is widely distributed and thousands of people make boatloads of money selling themes, customizations, implementation, etc. I think you would have a very tough trying to get anyone to sell you the wordpress.org or the wordpress.com domain.
The license for OFBiz resides with Apache, so the domain should reside with them as well. The brand name, OFBiz, is intellectual property and any derivatives of that name including ofbiz.org, ofbiz.net, ofbiz.com, etc are part of the intellectual property.
As far as your commercial success goes, I think you should make money. Lots and lots of money. If you spend time and effort writing good books that provide valuable information, what's wrong with making a profit on them? Most, if not all of the information contained in the 50-60 books I own on design and development could have been found combing through resources on the internet, but I bought them because the were well written, information books. I own every book that Zeldman wrote on CSS, but I don't think he ever tried to register css.org -- he can't, because it's owned by The Colorado Springs School luck bastards ;-)
Ryan Foster
HotWax Media
801.671.0769
ryan.foster@hotwaxmedia.com
On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>
>
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> Ruth,
>>
>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rh...@aesolves.com>
>>> Hi Jacques:
>>>
>>> Wow, I'm flattered that you would compare myOFBiz.com to Java! Or at least juxtapose it with the "big boys" :-)
>>>
>>> Just to clear the air:
>>>
>>> 1) myOFBiz.com is not an organization, company or any other commercially viable entity. It is a domain name and a server running an instance of OFBiz.
>>>
>>> 2) Like myOFBiz.com, ofbiz.org is only a domain name. Both have no intellectual property or other proprietary resources that could be sold. The only thing that can be sold, in either case, is the domain name. Which, I have to admit for ofbiz.org has brand recognition - at least today. That is why I'm interested in it. .
>>>
>>> 3) I fully understand your position. IMO the ofbiz.org domain is not a sacred icon. In fact, as each day goes by, it has less and less meaning.
>>
>> Less meaning? Why?
> Because it has been superseded by the Apache brand. IMO, if the Apache brand catches on, then the ofbiz.org brand will fade. And we all want the Apache brand to succeed. That ofbiz.org does not (and should not) compete with Apache is a good thing. Better to just put it to rest and be done with it. I'm not against ASF having it, I just wanted to continue to market and push it as a complement to the ASF brand.
>>> If project committers and other OFBiz devotees wish to worship at the ofbiz.org shrine, then who am I to ask "why?". It is you belief that ofbiz.org has value. I'm very progressive in at least this regard: I believe, "to each his/her own".
>>
>> "to each his/her own": a new idiom for me
> How about, "live and let live".
>>
>>> On a related note, do you feel that there is something wrong with commercial success? What I mean is, why can't OFBiz enjoy some "commercial" success? Or maybe I should ask, what do you mean by "commercial"?
>>
>> To paraphrase a famous predecessor <<I challenge you to quote where I said that.>> :D
> Ok, fair. Sorry. I didn't mean any disrespect.
>>
>> Jacques
>> PS: BTW I wish you all the best with myOfbiz.com. Because I know it will be good for OFBiz and the community at large...
> Thanks. I am certainly trying to make it so!
> Regards,
> Ruth
>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Ruth
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>> Hi Ruth,
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry to say that I agree with Jeroen. I'd never have made a proposition like yours: for me ofbiz.org is clearly and should
>>>> remain a community name.
>>>>
>>>> It's not directed against you, because I believe in your faith in OFBiz. But who knows what will happen with your effort? It's hard
>>>> to trust people, even when you have a good feeling, but it's even harder to trust organizations. Look for instance at what happened
>>>> recently to Java now owned by Oracle (and BTW according to Tiobe recenlty lost its 1st place as a language
>>>> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html), MySql may also suffer for the same reason, and we know the IT
>>>> history is cluttered of such cases.
>>>>
>>>> Also I was already dissapointed by the Opentaps experience. Even if Si has been almost clear about his intentions (not sure at which
>>>> point though) see "How to make money from open source" at http://www.opensourcestrategies.org/.
>>>>
>>>> My 2 cts
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rh...@aesolves.com>
>>>>> Hi Jeroen:
>>>>> If this was a directed to me, then:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) My enterprise is not a money making, "commercial" concern. My mission has always been to provide high quality affordable
>>>>> learning resources to the community at large. My view of the "community" is anyone looking for OFBiz materials, not just project
>>>>> committers. The only way I can possible afford to do that is charge a nominal fee for some of these books. And, believe me, I'm
>>>>> not making any money on this endeavor. As I've said before, it is a labor of love.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Want to donate money to help the cause? Buy some of my books. You will help pay for the server and hosting, quality content
>>>>> creation tools, professional editors, SME's time in reviewing materials...and I could go on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Ruth
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
>>>>> ruth.hoffman@myofbiz.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeroen van der Wal wrote:
>>>>>> I don't like to see ofbiz.org to be used for commercial purposes. If
>>>>>> the subscription cost is a problem I'm willing to make a donation in
>>>>>> order to keep the domain within the community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com>.
Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>> 3) I fully understand your position. IMO the ofbiz.org domain is not
>>> a sacred icon. In fact, as each day goes by, it has less and less
>>> meaning.
>>
>> Less meaning? Why?
> Because it has been superseded by the Apache brand. IMO, if the Apache
> brand catches on, then the ofbiz.org brand will fade. And we all want
> the Apache brand to succeed. That ofbiz.org does not (and should not)
> compete with Apache is a good thing. Better to just put it to rest and
> be done with it. I'm not against ASF having it, I just wanted to
> continue to market and push it as a complement to the ASF brand.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
One thing I would like to mention (for the benefit of any newcomers) is
that OFBiz joined the ASF for these reasons:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/faq.html#why
As a relatively small community it was a smart move to place ourselves
under the ASF umbrella because it relieved us of the legal and financial
burdens mentioned in the FAQ. I don't believe anyone in the community
saw that change as a way to relinquish the OFBiz brand and replace it
with Apache. On that point you are completely wrong.
-Adrian
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Ruth Hoffman <rh...@aesolves.com>.
Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> Ruth,
>
> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rh...@aesolves.com>
>> Hi Jacques:
>>
>> Wow, I'm flattered that you would compare myOFBiz.com to Java! Or at
>> least juxtapose it with the "big boys" :-)
>>
>> Just to clear the air:
>>
>> 1) myOFBiz.com is not an organization, company or any other
>> commercially viable entity. It is a domain name and a server running
>> an instance of OFBiz.
>>
>> 2) Like myOFBiz.com, ofbiz.org is only a domain name. Both have no
>> intellectual property or other proprietary resources that could be
>> sold. The only thing that can be sold, in either case, is the domain
>> name. Which, I have to admit for ofbiz.org has brand recognition - at
>> least today. That is why I'm interested in it. .
>>
>> 3) I fully understand your position. IMO the ofbiz.org domain is not
>> a sacred icon. In fact, as each day goes by, it has less and less
>> meaning.
>
> Less meaning? Why?
Because it has been superseded by the Apache brand. IMO, if the Apache
brand catches on, then the ofbiz.org brand will fade. And we all want
the Apache brand to succeed. That ofbiz.org does not (and should not)
compete with Apache is a good thing. Better to just put it to rest and
be done with it. I'm not against ASF having it, I just wanted to
continue to market and push it as a complement to the ASF brand.
>> If project committers and other OFBiz devotees wish to worship at the
>> ofbiz.org shrine, then who am I to ask "why?". It is you belief that
>> ofbiz.org has value. I'm very progressive in at least this regard: I
>> believe, "to each his/her own".
>
> "to each his/her own": a new idiom for me
How about, "live and let live".
>
>> On a related note, do you feel that there is something wrong with
>> commercial success? What I mean is, why can't OFBiz enjoy some
>> "commercial" success? Or maybe I should ask, what do you mean by
>> "commercial"?
>
> To paraphrase a famous predecessor <<I challenge you to quote where I
> said that.>> :D
Ok, fair. Sorry. I didn't mean any disrespect.
>
> Jacques
> PS: BTW I wish you all the best with myOfbiz.com. Because I know it
> will be good for OFBiz and the community at large...
Thanks. I am certainly trying to make it so!
Regards,
Ruth
>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Ruth
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> Hi Ruth,
>>>
>>> I'm sorry to say that I agree with Jeroen. I'd never have made a
>>> proposition like yours: for me ofbiz.org is clearly and should
>>> remain a community name.
>>>
>>> It's not directed against you, because I believe in your faith in
>>> OFBiz. But who knows what will happen with your effort? It's hard
>>> to trust people, even when you have a good feeling, but it's even
>>> harder to trust organizations. Look for instance at what happened
>>> recently to Java now owned by Oracle (and BTW according to Tiobe
>>> recenlty lost its 1st place as a language
>>> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html),
>>> MySql may also suffer for the same reason, and we know the IT
>>> history is cluttered of such cases.
>>>
>>> Also I was already dissapointed by the Opentaps experience. Even if
>>> Si has been almost clear about his intentions (not sure at which
>>> point though) see "How to make money from open source" at
>>> http://www.opensourcestrategies.org/.
>>>
>>> My 2 cts
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rh...@aesolves.com>
>>>> Hi Jeroen:
>>>> If this was a directed to me, then:
>>>>
>>>> 1) My enterprise is not a money making, "commercial" concern. My
>>>> mission has always been to provide high quality affordable
>>>> learning resources to the community at large. My view of the
>>>> "community" is anyone looking for OFBiz materials, not just project
>>>> committers. The only way I can possible afford to do that is charge
>>>> a nominal fee for some of these books. And, believe me, I'm
>>>> not making any money on this endeavor. As I've said before, it is a
>>>> labor of love.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Want to donate money to help the cause? Buy some of my books.
>>>> You will help pay for the server and hosting, quality content
>>>> creation tools, professional editors, SME's time in reviewing
>>>> materials...and I could go on.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ruth
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword
>>>> "myofbiz"
>>>> ruth.hoffman@myofbiz.com
>>>>
>>>> Jeroen van der Wal wrote:
>>>>> I don't like to see ofbiz.org to be used for commercial purposes. If
>>>>> the subscription cost is a problem I'm willing to make a donation in
>>>>> order to keep the domain within the community.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Ruth,
From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rh...@aesolves.com>
> Hi Jacques:
>
> Wow, I'm flattered that you would compare myOFBiz.com to Java! Or at
> least juxtapose it with the "big boys" :-)
>
> Just to clear the air:
>
> 1) myOFBiz.com is not an organization, company or any other commercially
> viable entity. It is a domain name and a server running an instance of
> OFBiz.
>
> 2) Like myOFBiz.com, ofbiz.org is only a domain name. Both have no
> intellectual property or other proprietary resources that could be sold.
> The only thing that can be sold, in either case, is the domain name.
> Which, I have to admit for ofbiz.org has brand recognition - at least
> today. That is why I'm interested in it. .
>
> 3) I fully understand your position. IMO the ofbiz.org domain is not a
> sacred icon. In fact, as each day goes by, it has less and less meaning.
Less meaning? Why?
> If project committers and other OFBiz devotees wish to worship at the
> ofbiz.org shrine, then who am I to ask "why?". It is you belief that
> ofbiz.org has value. I'm very progressive in at least this regard: I
> believe, "to each his/her own".
"to each his/her own": a new idiom for me
> On a related note, do you feel that there is something wrong with
> commercial success? What I mean is, why can't OFBiz enjoy some
> "commercial" success? Or maybe I should ask, what do you mean by
> "commercial"?
To paraphrase a famous predecessor
<<I challenge you to quote where I said that.>> :D
Jacques
PS: BTW I wish you all the best with myOfbiz.com. Because I know it will be good for OFBiz and the community at large...
> Kind Regards,
> Ruth
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> Hi Ruth,
>>
>> I'm sorry to say that I agree with Jeroen. I'd never have made a
>> proposition like yours: for me ofbiz.org is clearly and should
>> remain a community name.
>>
>> It's not directed against you, because I believe in your faith in
>> OFBiz. But who knows what will happen with your effort? It's hard
>> to trust people, even when you have a good feeling, but it's even
>> harder to trust organizations. Look for instance at what happened
>> recently to Java now owned by Oracle (and BTW according to Tiobe
>> recenlty lost its 1st place as a language
>> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html),
>> MySql may also suffer for the same reason, and we know the IT
>> history is cluttered of such cases.
>>
>> Also I was already dissapointed by the Opentaps experience. Even if Si
>> has been almost clear about his intentions (not sure at which
>> point though) see "How to make money from open source" at
>> http://www.opensourcestrategies.org/.
>>
>> My 2 cts
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rh...@aesolves.com>
>>> Hi Jeroen:
>>> If this was a directed to me, then:
>>>
>>> 1) My enterprise is not a money making, "commercial" concern. My
>>> mission has always been to provide high quality affordable
>>> learning resources to the community at large. My view of the
>>> "community" is anyone looking for OFBiz materials, not just project
>>> committers. The only way I can possible afford to do that is charge a
>>> nominal fee for some of these books. And, believe me, I'm
>>> not making any money on this endeavor. As I've said before, it is a
>>> labor of love.
>>>
>>> 2) Want to donate money to help the cause? Buy some of my books. You
>>> will help pay for the server and hosting, quality content
>>> creation tools, professional editors, SME's time in reviewing
>>> materials...and I could go on.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ruth
>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
>>> ruth.hoffman@myofbiz.com
>>>
>>> Jeroen van der Wal wrote:
>>>> I don't like to see ofbiz.org to be used for commercial purposes. If
>>>> the subscription cost is a problem I'm willing to make a donation in
>>>> order to keep the domain within the community.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Ruth Hoffman <rh...@aesolves.com>.
Hi Jacques:
Wow, I'm flattered that you would compare myOFBiz.com to Java! Or at
least juxtapose it with the "big boys" :-)
Just to clear the air:
1) myOFBiz.com is not an organization, company or any other commercially
viable entity. It is a domain name and a server running an instance of
OFBiz.
2) Like myOFBiz.com, ofbiz.org is only a domain name. Both have no
intellectual property or other proprietary resources that could be sold.
The only thing that can be sold, in either case, is the domain name.
Which, I have to admit for ofbiz.org has brand recognition - at least
today. That is why I'm interested in it. .
3) I fully understand your position. IMO the ofbiz.org domain is not a
sacred icon. In fact, as each day goes by, it has less and less meaning.
If project committers and other OFBiz devotees wish to worship at the
ofbiz.org shrine, then who am I to ask "why?". It is you belief that
ofbiz.org has value. I'm very progressive in at least this regard: I
believe, "to each his/her own".
On a related note, do you feel that there is something wrong with
commercial success? What I mean is, why can't OFBiz enjoy some
"commercial" success? Or maybe I should ask, what do you mean by
"commercial"?
Kind Regards,
Ruth
Thanks
Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> Hi Ruth,
>
> I'm sorry to say that I agree with Jeroen. I'd never have made a
> proposition like yours: for me ofbiz.org is clearly and should
> remain a community name.
>
> It's not directed against you, because I believe in your faith in
> OFBiz. But who knows what will happen with your effort? It's hard
> to trust people, even when you have a good feeling, but it's even
> harder to trust organizations. Look for instance at what happened
> recently to Java now owned by Oracle (and BTW according to Tiobe
> recenlty lost its 1st place as a language
> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html),
> MySql may also suffer for the same reason, and we know the IT
> history is cluttered of such cases.
>
> Also I was already dissapointed by the Opentaps experience. Even if Si
> has been almost clear about his intentions (not sure at which
> point though) see "How to make money from open source" at
> http://www.opensourcestrategies.org/.
>
> My 2 cts
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rh...@aesolves.com>
>> Hi Jeroen:
>> If this was a directed to me, then:
>>
>> 1) My enterprise is not a money making, "commercial" concern. My
>> mission has always been to provide high quality affordable
>> learning resources to the community at large. My view of the
>> "community" is anyone looking for OFBiz materials, not just project
>> committers. The only way I can possible afford to do that is charge a
>> nominal fee for some of these books. And, believe me, I'm
>> not making any money on this endeavor. As I've said before, it is a
>> labor of love.
>>
>> 2) Want to donate money to help the cause? Buy some of my books. You
>> will help pay for the server and hosting, quality content
>> creation tools, professional editors, SME's time in reviewing
>> materials...and I could go on.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ruth
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
>> ruth.hoffman@myofbiz.com
>>
>> Jeroen van der Wal wrote:
>>> I don't like to see ofbiz.org to be used for commercial purposes. If
>>> the subscription cost is a problem I'm willing to make a donation in
>>> order to keep the domain within the community.
>>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
For Tiobe indice, http://www.ohloh.net/languages?sort=commits seems better to follow Open source projects...
Anyway all this is very rough
Jacques
from.: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> Hi Ruth,
>
> I'm sorry to say that I agree with Jeroen. I'd never have made a proposition like yours: for me ofbiz.org is clearly and should
> remain a community name.
>
> It's not directed against you, because I believe in your faith in OFBiz. But who knows what will happen with your effort? It's
> hard
> to trust people, even when you have a good feeling, but it's even harder to trust organizations. Look for instance at what
> happened
> recently to Java now owned by Oracle (and BTW according to Tiobe recenlty lost its 1st place as a language
> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html), MySql may also suffer for the same reason, and we know the IT
> history is cluttered of such cases.
>
> Also I was already dissapointed by the Opentaps experience. Even if Si has been almost clear about his intentions (not sure at
> which
> point though) see "How to make money from open source" at http://www.opensourcestrategies.org/.
>
> My 2 cts
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rh...@aesolves.com>
>> Hi Jeroen:
>> If this was a directed to me, then:
>>
>> 1) My enterprise is not a money making, "commercial" concern. My mission has always been to provide high quality affordable
>> learning resources to the community at large. My view of the "community" is anyone looking for OFBiz materials, not just project
>> committers. The only way I can possible afford to do that is charge a nominal fee for some of these books. And, believe me, I'm
>> not making any money on this endeavor. As I've said before, it is a labor of love.
>>
>> 2) Want to donate money to help the cause? Buy some of my books. You will help pay for the server and hosting, quality content
>> creation tools, professional editors, SME's time in reviewing materials...and I could go on.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ruth
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
>> ruth.hoffman@myofbiz.com
>>
>> Jeroen van der Wal wrote:
>>> I don't like to see ofbiz.org to be used for commercial purposes. If
>>> the subscription cost is a problem I'm willing to make a donation in
>>> order to keep the domain within the community.
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Hi Ruth,
I'm sorry to say that I agree with Jeroen. I'd never have made a proposition like yours: for me ofbiz.org is clearly and should
remain a community name.
It's not directed against you, because I believe in your faith in OFBiz. But who knows what will happen with your effort? It's hard
to trust people, even when you have a good feeling, but it's even harder to trust organizations. Look for instance at what happened
recently to Java now owned by Oracle (and BTW according to Tiobe recenlty lost its 1st place as a language
http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html), MySql may also suffer for the same reason, and we know the IT
history is cluttered of such cases.
Also I was already dissapointed by the Opentaps experience. Even if Si has been almost clear about his intentions (not sure at which
point though) see "How to make money from open source" at http://www.opensourcestrategies.org/.
My 2 cts
Jacques
From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rh...@aesolves.com>
> Hi Jeroen:
> If this was a directed to me, then:
>
> 1) My enterprise is not a money making, "commercial" concern. My mission has always been to provide high quality affordable
> learning resources to the community at large. My view of the "community" is anyone looking for OFBiz materials, not just project
> committers. The only way I can possible afford to do that is charge a nominal fee for some of these books. And, believe me, I'm
> not making any money on this endeavor. As I've said before, it is a labor of love.
>
> 2) Want to donate money to help the cause? Buy some of my books. You will help pay for the server and hosting, quality content
> creation tools, professional editors, SME's time in reviewing materials...and I could go on.
>
> Regards,
> Ruth
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
> ruth.hoffman@myofbiz.com
>
> Jeroen van der Wal wrote:
>> I don't like to see ofbiz.org to be used for commercial purposes. If
>> the subscription cost is a problem I'm willing to make a donation in
>> order to keep the domain within the community.
>>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Ludovic Maître <lu...@effervens.com>.
Hi all,
As a user of Ofbiz i would like the domain stay in control of the OfBiz
project or ASF like it is (a redirect to http://ofbiz.apache.org/ ),
Best regards,
Le 4/15/10 2:27 PM, Ruth Hoffman a écrit :
> Hi Jeroen:
> If this was a directed to me, then:
>
> 1) My enterprise is not a money making, "commercial" concern. My
> mission has always been to provide high quality affordable learning
> resources to the community at large. My view of the "community" is
> anyone looking for OFBiz materials, not just project committers. The
> only way I can possible afford to do that is charge a nominal fee for
> some of these books. And, believe me, I'm not making any money on this
> endeavor. As I've said before, it is a labor of love.
>
> 2) Want to donate money to help the cause? Buy some of my books. You
> will help pay for the server and hosting, quality content creation
> tools, professional editors, SME's time in reviewing materials...and I
> could go on.
>
> Regards,
> Ruth
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
> ruth.hoffman@myofbiz.com
>
> Jeroen van der Wal wrote:
>> I don't like to see ofbiz.org to be used for commercial purposes. If
>> the subscription cost is a problem I'm willing to make a donation in
>> order to keep the domain within the community.
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Ruth Hoffman <rh...@aesolves.com>.
Hi Jeroen:
I understand your position and respect your beliefs.
I happen to disagree. My "love" is better expressed elsewhere. I think
it was Groucho Marx who said it best, and I paraphrase: "Please accept
my appologies. I don't want to belong to any club that would accept
people like me as a member".
Kind Regards,
Ruth
----------------------------------------------------
Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
ruth.hoffman@myofbiz.com
Jeroen van der Wal wrote:
> Hi Ruth,
>
> To me it's very simple:
> Ofbiz Community = ofbiz.apache.org = ofbiz.org
> And if you want to express your love that's the place!
>
> -Jeroen
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Ruth Hoffman <rh...@aesolves.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jeroen:
>> If this was a directed to me, then:
>>
>> 1) My enterprise is not a money making, "commercial" concern. My mission has
>> always been to provide high quality affordable learning resources to the
>> community at large. My view of the "community" is anyone looking for OFBiz
>> materials, not just project committers. The only way I can possible afford
>> to do that is charge a nominal fee for some of these books. And, believe me,
>> I'm not making any money on this endeavor. As I've said before, it is a
>> labor of love.
>>
>> 2) Want to donate money to help the cause? Buy some of my books. You will
>> help pay for the server and hosting, quality content creation tools,
>> professional editors, SME's time in reviewing materials...and I could go on.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ruth
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
>> ruth.hoffman@myofbiz.com
>>
>> Jeroen van der Wal wrote:
>>
>>> I don't like to see ofbiz.org to be used for commercial purposes. If
>>> the subscription cost is a problem I'm willing to make a donation in
>>> order to keep the domain within the community.
>>>
>>>
>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Jeroen van der Wal <jv...@stromboli.it>.
Hi Ruth,
To me it's very simple:
Ofbiz Community = ofbiz.apache.org = ofbiz.org
And if you want to express your love that's the place!
-Jeroen
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Ruth Hoffman <rh...@aesolves.com> wrote:
> Hi Jeroen:
> If this was a directed to me, then:
>
> 1) My enterprise is not a money making, "commercial" concern. My mission has
> always been to provide high quality affordable learning resources to the
> community at large. My view of the "community" is anyone looking for OFBiz
> materials, not just project committers. The only way I can possible afford
> to do that is charge a nominal fee for some of these books. And, believe me,
> I'm not making any money on this endeavor. As I've said before, it is a
> labor of love.
>
> 2) Want to donate money to help the cause? Buy some of my books. You will
> help pay for the server and hosting, quality content creation tools,
> professional editors, SME's time in reviewing materials...and I could go on.
>
> Regards,
> Ruth
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
> ruth.hoffman@myofbiz.com
>
> Jeroen van der Wal wrote:
>>
>> I don't like to see ofbiz.org to be used for commercial purposes. If
>> the subscription cost is a problem I'm willing to make a donation in
>> order to keep the domain within the community.
>>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Ruth Hoffman <rh...@aesolves.com>.
Hi Jeroen:
If this was a directed to me, then:
1) My enterprise is not a money making, "commercial" concern. My mission
has always been to provide high quality affordable learning resources to
the community at large. My view of the "community" is anyone looking for
OFBiz materials, not just project committers. The only way I can
possible afford to do that is charge a nominal fee for some of these
books. And, believe me, I'm not making any money on this endeavor. As
I've said before, it is a labor of love.
2) Want to donate money to help the cause? Buy some of my books. You
will help pay for the server and hosting, quality content creation
tools, professional editors, SME's time in reviewing materials...and I
could go on.
Regards,
Ruth
----------------------------------------------------
Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
ruth.hoffman@myofbiz.com
Jeroen van der Wal wrote:
> I don't like to see ofbiz.org to be used for commercial purposes. If
> the subscription cost is a problem I'm willing to make a donation in
> order to keep the domain within the community.
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Jeroen van der Wal <jv...@stromboli.it>.
I don't like to see ofbiz.org to be used for commercial purposes. If
the subscription cost is a problem I'm willing to make a donation in
order to keep the domain within the community.
--
Jeroen van der Wal
Stromboli b.v.
+31 655 874050
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Ruth Hoffman <rh...@aesolves.com> wrote:
> Hi Scott:
> I'd eventually replace the myofbiz.com domain with ofbiz.org. Myofbiz.com
> Its still all about OFBiz documentation and eventually training materials,
> so clearly there is a link. FYI, I've been told that "myofbiz" is sometimes
> misinterpreted (by some people) as, well, something I never thought of...
> Regards,
> Ruth
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
> ruth.hoffman@myofbiz.com
>
> Scott Gray wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ruth,
>>
>> Out of interest, what would you do with it?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>>
>> HotWax Media
>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>
>> On 15/04/2010, at 11:31 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hi David:
>>> If you don't want to keep it up and ASF doesn't want it, I'll take it.
>>> Regards,
>>> Ruth
>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
>>> ruth.hoffman@myofbiz.com
>>>
>>> David E Jones wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th of
>>>> this year.
>>>>
>>>> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using it,
>>>> or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that aren't
>>>> anything official related to the project)?
>>>>
>>>> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't
>>>> needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.org domain.
>>>> The ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the
>>>> foundation if there is interest (I think some other projects have done this,
>>>> while others have just let the old domain go).
>>>>
>>>> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>>>>
>>>> -David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Scott Gray <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Thanks Ruth. Nothing against your site but this is exactly the reason why I think the community should retain ofbiz.org even if the ASF won't take it up.
Regards
Scott
On 15/04/2010, at 11:53 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
> Hi Scott:
> I'd eventually replace the myofbiz.com domain with ofbiz.org. Myofbiz.com Its still all about OFBiz documentation and eventually training materials, so clearly there is a link. FYI, I've been told that "myofbiz" is sometimes misinterpreted (by some people) as, well, something I never thought of...
> Regards,
> Ruth
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
> ruth.hoffman@myofbiz.com
>
> Scott Gray wrote:
>> Hi Ruth,
>>
>> Out of interest, what would you do with it?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>>
>> HotWax Media
>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>
>> On 15/04/2010, at 11:31 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi David:
>>> If you don't want to keep it up and ASF doesn't want it, I'll take it.
>>> Regards,
>>> Ruth
>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
>>> ruth.hoffman@myofbiz.com
>>>
>>> David E Jones wrote:
>>>
>>>> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th of this year.
>>>>
>>>> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that aren't anything official related to the project)?
>>>>
>>>> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation if there is interest (I think some other projects have done this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>>>>
>>>> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>>>>
>>>> -David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Ruth Hoffman <rh...@aesolves.com>.
Hi Scott:
I'd eventually replace the myofbiz.com domain with ofbiz.org.
Myofbiz.com Its still all about OFBiz documentation and eventually
training materials, so clearly there is a link. FYI, I've been told that
"myofbiz" is sometimes misinterpreted (by some people) as, well,
something I never thought of...
Regards,
Ruth
----------------------------------------------------
Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
ruth.hoffman@myofbiz.com
Scott Gray wrote:
> Hi Ruth,
>
> Out of interest, what would you do with it?
>
> Thanks
> Scott
>
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
> On 15/04/2010, at 11:31 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>
>
>> Hi David:
>> If you don't want to keep it up and ASF doesn't want it, I'll take it.
>> Regards,
>> Ruth
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
>> ruth.hoffman@myofbiz.com
>>
>> David E Jones wrote:
>>
>>> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th of this year.
>>>
>>> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that aren't anything official related to the project)?
>>>
>>> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation if there is interest (I think some other projects have done this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>>>
>>> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>>>
>>> -David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Scott Gray <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Hi Ruth,
Out of interest, what would you do with it?
Thanks
Scott
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
On 15/04/2010, at 11:31 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
> Hi David:
> If you don't want to keep it up and ASF doesn't want it, I'll take it.
> Regards,
> Ruth
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
> ruth.hoffman@myofbiz.com
>
> David E Jones wrote:
>> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th of this year.
>>
>> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that aren't anything official related to the project)?
>>
>> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation if there is interest (I think some other projects have done this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>>
>> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>>
>>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Ruth Hoffman <rh...@aesolves.com>.
Hi David:
If you don't want to keep it up and ASF doesn't want it, I'll take it.
Regards,
Ruth
----------------------------------------------------
Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz"
ruth.hoffman@myofbiz.com
David E Jones wrote:
> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on May 13th of this year.
>
> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.* domain names that aren't anything official related to the project)?
>
> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it really isn't needed any more now that everything is under the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation if there is interest (I think some other projects have done this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>
> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>
> -David
>
>
>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Yes, this was one of the (optional) steps that we considered during Incubation, but at that time there were a lot of things to do and we gave up.
Jacopo
On Apr 16, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Scott Gray wrote:
> Since it's been brought up, isn't this something we should look to change at some point? Maybe post 10.04 branch?
>
> Regards
> Scott
>
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
> On 15/04/2010, at 6:21 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>
>> Yes,
>>
>> and our Java packages are still using it: org.ofbiz
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:12 AM, Adrian Crum wrote:
>>
>>> I like the ofbiz.org domain! Let's try to keep it.
>>>
>>> -Adrian
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 4/14/10, David E Jones <de...@me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: David E Jones <de...@me.com>
>>>> Subject: The ofbiz.org domain
>>>> To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org
>>>> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 8:50 PM
>>>>
>>>> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on
>>>> May 13th of this year.
>>>>
>>>> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and
>>>> keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.*
>>>> domain names that aren't anything official related to the
>>>> project)?
>>>>
>>>> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it
>>>> really isn't needed any more now that everything is under
>>>> the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could
>>>> be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation
>>>> if there is interest (I think some other projects have done
>>>> this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>>>>
>>>> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>>>>
>>>> -David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Scott Gray <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Since it's been brought up, isn't this something we should look to change at some point? Maybe post 10.04 branch?
Regards
Scott
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
On 15/04/2010, at 6:21 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> Yes,
>
> and our Java packages are still using it: org.ofbiz
>
> Jacopo
>
> On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:12 AM, Adrian Crum wrote:
>
>> I like the ofbiz.org domain! Let's try to keep it.
>>
>> -Adrian
>>
>> --- On Wed, 4/14/10, David E Jones <de...@me.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From: David E Jones <de...@me.com>
>>> Subject: The ofbiz.org domain
>>> To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org
>>> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 8:50 PM
>>>
>>> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on
>>> May 13th of this year.
>>>
>>> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and
>>> keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.*
>>> domain names that aren't anything official related to the
>>> project)?
>>>
>>> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it
>>> really isn't needed any more now that everything is under
>>> the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could
>>> be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation
>>> if there is interest (I think some other projects have done
>>> this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>>>
>>> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>>>
>>> -David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> Yes,
>
> and our Java packages are still using it: org.ofbiz
Looks like an interesting point, isn'it?
Jacques
> Jacopo
>
> On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:12 AM, Adrian Crum wrote:
>
>> I like the ofbiz.org domain! Let's try to keep it.
>>
>> -Adrian
>>
>> --- On Wed, 4/14/10, David E Jones <de...@me.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From: David E Jones <de...@me.com>
>>> Subject: The ofbiz.org domain
>>> To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org
>>> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 8:50 PM
>>>
>>> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on
>>> May 13th of this year.
>>>
>>> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and
>>> keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.*
>>> domain names that aren't anything official related to the
>>> project)?
>>>
>>> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it
>>> really isn't needed any more now that everything is under
>>> the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could
>>> be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation
>>> if there is interest (I think some other projects have done
>>> this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>>>
>>> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>>>
>>> -David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Yes,
and our Java packages are still using it: org.ofbiz
Jacopo
On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:12 AM, Adrian Crum wrote:
> I like the ofbiz.org domain! Let's try to keep it.
>
> -Adrian
>
> --- On Wed, 4/14/10, David E Jones <de...@me.com> wrote:
>
>> From: David E Jones <de...@me.com>
>> Subject: The ofbiz.org domain
>> To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org
>> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 8:50 PM
>>
>> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on
>> May 13th of this year.
>>
>> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and
>> keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.*
>> domain names that aren't anything official related to the
>> project)?
>>
>> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it
>> really isn't needed any more now that everything is under
>> the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could
>> be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation
>> if there is interest (I think some other projects have done
>> this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>>
>> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: The ofbiz.org domain
Posted by Adrian Crum <ad...@yahoo.com>.
I like the ofbiz.org domain! Let's try to keep it.
-Adrian
--- On Wed, 4/14/10, David E Jones <de...@me.com> wrote:
> From: David E Jones <de...@me.com>
> Subject: The ofbiz.org domain
> To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org
> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 8:50 PM
>
> My current registration of the ofbiz.org domain expires on
> May 13th of this year.
>
> This brings up a question: should we keep it around and
> keep using it, or let it go (just all of the other ofbiz.*
> domain names that aren't anything official related to the
> project)?
>
> There is certainly historical significance to it, but it
> really isn't needed any more now that everything is under
> the official apache.org domain. The ofbiz.org domain could
> be transferred to the ASF and maintained by the foundation
> if there is interest (I think some other projects have done
> this, while others have just let the old domain go).
>
> What does everyone think? Is it worth keeping around?
>
> -David
>
>
>