Re: Multiple hats for members wrt a podling

[Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>]

Hi Matt,

I don't see a conflict for incubating projects when members assume  
multiple roles, including Champion, Mentor, and Committer. If a  
Champion is not a Mentor or Committer, then it's pure altruism.

Craig

On Jan 31, 2008, at 11:20 AM, Matt Benson wrote:

> I'm looking for general feedback about the group's
> perception of incubated projects and the number of
> roles that may be assumed by a foundation member in
> one.  Can I view RAT as an example that it would be
> considered kosher for a member to be both champion of
> and an initial committer on a given proposal?  And in
> contrast, that it _would_ be considered a conflict of
> interest/logistical impossibility for a committer to
> be a mentor?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
>
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Re: Multiple hats for members wrt a podling

[Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>]

On Feb 1, 2008 6:00 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. <wr...@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
> Craig L Russell wrote:
> > Hi Matt,
> >
> > I don't see a conflict for incubating projects when members assume
> > multiple roles, including Champion, Mentor, and Committer. If a Champion
> > is not a Mentor or Committer, then it's pure altruism.

(or you're a serial shiny, shiny open source startup junky ;-)

> There's only one conflict, and the 'voting' thread hints at this.
>
> If you are one of *many* initial committers, but throw your IPMC vote
> around, you win no respect and undermine community.

+1

> But as only *one* of many committers, and treating your vote as equal
> to each of your fellow committers, you can balance this fairly.

+1

> Just be sure to call out when you are throwing out an IPMC vote on the
> wisdom of essential ASF process and policy, vs. when your vote is simply
> a PPMC vote on one of many ways of doing things technically or process
> wise.  And there's no real issue if you do this fairly.

ensuring that you appear to act fairly can prevent you acting as you
otherwise would. it's much harder to have a good design ding-dong
unless everyone is an equal peer. if you're a committer and a mentor
then you're going to have to be willing to step back and listen.

- robert

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Re: Multiple hats for members wrt a podling

["William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>]

Craig L Russell wrote:
> Hi Matt,
> 
> I don't see a conflict for incubating projects when members assume 
> multiple roles, including Champion, Mentor, and Committer. If a Champion 
> is not a Mentor or Committer, then it's pure altruism.

There's only one conflict, and the 'voting' thread hints at this.

If you are one of *many* initial committers, but throw your IPMC vote
around, you win no respect and undermine community.

But as only *one* of many committers, and treating your vote as equal
to each of your fellow committers, you can balance this fairly.

Just be sure to call out when you are throwing out an IPMC vote on the
wisdom of essential ASF process and policy, vs. when your vote is simply
a PPMC vote on one of many ways of doing things technically or process
wise.  And there's no real issue if you do this fairly.

Bill

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