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[VOTE] Merge xmlrpc-dev and xmlrpc-user
Hi,
as the traffic on the xmlrpc-dev and xmlrpc-user lists is rather
moderate, I find it counterproductive to have different lists. In its
current state, the project would benefit more, of a single discussion
list, which users and developers share. Therefore, I propose the
following changes:
1.) Introduce a new list, xmlrpc-auto@ws.apache.org. This list
will be initially
populated with all current members of xmlrpc-dev.
2.) Ensure that SVN commits and Jira issues are forwarded to xmlrpc-auto.
3.) If step 2.) is done, merge the lists xmlrpc-user and
xmlrpc-dev to a single
list xmlrpc-dev. In other words, move all xmlrpc-user members
to xmlrpc-dev.
In order to keep current mail addresses valid, make
xmlrpc-user an alias
for xmlrpc-dev.
Furthermore, I propose that all of this shall be done before the
release of XML-RPC 3. In other words, make sure that the published
XML-RPC 3 release reflects the new system.
Jochen
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Re: [VOTE] Merge xmlrpc-dev and xmlrpc-user
Posted by Siegfried Goeschl <si...@it20one.at>.
+1
Siegfried Goeschl
Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> as the traffic on the xmlrpc-dev and xmlrpc-user lists is rather
> moderate, I find it counterproductive to have different lists. In its
> current state, the project would benefit more, of a single discussion
> list, which users and developers share. Therefore, I propose the
> following changes:
>
> 1.) Introduce a new list, xmlrpc-auto@ws.apache.org. This list
> will be initially
> populated with all current members of xmlrpc-dev.
> 2.) Ensure that SVN commits and Jira issues are forwarded to
> xmlrpc-auto.
> 3.) If step 2.) is done, merge the lists xmlrpc-user and
> xmlrpc-dev to a single
> list xmlrpc-dev. In other words, move all xmlrpc-user members
> to xmlrpc-dev.
> In order to keep current mail addresses valid, make
> xmlrpc-user an alias
> for xmlrpc-dev.
>
> Furthermore, I propose that all of this shall be done before the
> release of XML-RPC 3. In other words, make sure that the published
> XML-RPC 3 release reflects the new system.
>
> Jochen
>
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Re: [VOTE] Merge xmlrpc-dev and xmlrpc-user
Posted by Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
sorry for missing the following: I should have fixed a time frame
after which the vote is decided. I'll do that now by stating that I'll
keep the vote open for seven days.
Jochen
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Re: [VOTE] Merge xmlrpc-dev and xmlrpc-user
Posted by Steffen Pingel <st...@gmx.de>.
+1
(I recently subscribed to both lists because I couldn't settle on either one.
Although I consider myself a user of the library I am also a developer and
would not want to miss out on the technical discussion about API etc.)
Steffen
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Re: [VOTE] Merge xmlrpc-dev and xmlrpc-user
Posted by String Larson <st...@mac.com>.
Merge 'em.
On Jul 27, 2006, at 5:20 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
> On 7/27/06, Henri Gomez <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> the dev list have sometimes more traffic than user list :)
>>
>> Well it could be usefull to merge them, but should be checked and
>> validated
>> with ASF Infra
>
> We do not request something unusual. See, for example, the split of
> dev@maven into auto@maven and dev@maven or the ongoing discussion
> regarding commons-dev@jakarta.
>
> Jochen
>
>
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> Whenever you find yourself on the side of the
> majority, it is time to pause and reflect.
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Re: [VOTE] Merge xmlrpc-dev and xmlrpc-user
Posted by Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 7/27/06, Henri Gomez <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
> the dev list have sometimes more traffic than user list :)
>
> Well it could be usefull to merge them, but should be checked and validated
> with ASF Infra
We do not request something unusual. See, for example, the split of
dev@maven into auto@maven and dev@maven or the ongoing discussion
regarding commons-dev@jakarta.
Jochen
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Re: [VOTE] Merge xmlrpc-dev and xmlrpc-user
Posted by Henri Gomez <he...@gmail.com>.
the dev list have sometimes more traffic than user list :)
Well it could be usefull to merge them, but should be checked and validated
with ASF Infra
2006/7/27, Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com>:
>
> On 7/27/06, Henri Gomez <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > For example, ASF httpd and tomcat list,generate many message by days on
> > their users lists, so it's mandatory to have 2 distincts lists.
>
> xmlrpc-dev and xmlrpc-user are both low traffic lists. Otherwise, I'd
> clearly prefer them being splitted myself. See for yourself:
>
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xmlrpc-dev
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xmlrpc-user
>
>
> Jochen
>
>
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> Whenever you find yourself on the side of the
> majority, it is time to pause and reflect.
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Re: [VOTE] Merge xmlrpc-dev and xmlrpc-user
Posted by Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 7/27/06, Henri Gomez <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For example, ASF httpd and tomcat list,generate many message by days on
> their users lists, so it's mandatory to have 2 distincts lists.
xmlrpc-dev and xmlrpc-user are both low traffic lists. Otherwise, I'd
clearly prefer them being splitted myself. See for yourself:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xmlrpc-dev
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xmlrpc-user
Jochen
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Re: [VOTE] Merge xmlrpc-dev and xmlrpc-user
Posted by Henri Gomez <he...@gmail.com>.
2006/7/27, Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com>:
>
> On 7/27/06, Henri Gomez <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Do you have stats on these 2 lists ?
>
> No. Why are you asking?
To see if it could be really usefull to merge them.
For example, ASF httpd and tomcat list,generate many message by days on
their users lists, so it's mandatory to have 2 distincts lists.
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> majority, it is time to pause and reflect.
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Re: [VOTE] Merge xmlrpc-dev and xmlrpc-user
Posted by Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 7/27/06, Henri Gomez <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do you have stats on these 2 lists ?
No. Why are you asking?
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Re: [VOTE] Merge xmlrpc-dev and xmlrpc-user
Posted by Henri Gomez <he...@gmail.com>.
Do you have stats on these 2 lists ?
2006/7/27, Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com>:
>
> Hi,
>
> as the traffic on the xmlrpc-dev and xmlrpc-user lists is rather
> moderate, I find it counterproductive to have different lists. In its
> current state, the project would benefit more, of a single discussion
> list, which users and developers share. Therefore, I propose the
> following changes:
>
> 1.) Introduce a new list, xmlrpc-auto@ws.apache.org. This list
> will be initially
> populated with all current members of xmlrpc-dev.
> 2.) Ensure that SVN commits and Jira issues are forwarded to
> xmlrpc-auto.
> 3.) If step 2.) is done, merge the lists xmlrpc-user and
> xmlrpc-dev to a single
> list xmlrpc-dev. In other words, move all xmlrpc-user members
> to xmlrpc-dev.
> In order to keep current mail addresses valid, make
> xmlrpc-user an alias
> for xmlrpc-dev.
>
> Furthermore, I propose that all of this shall be done before the
> release of XML-RPC 3. In other words, make sure that the published
> XML-RPC 3 release reflects the new system.
>
> Jochen
>
> --
> Whenever you find yourself on the side of the
> majority, it is time to pause and reflect.
> (Mark Twain)
>
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Re: [VOTE] Merge xmlrpc-dev and xmlrpc-user
Posted by Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
sorry for missing the following: I should have fixed a time frame
after which the vote is decided. I'll do that now by stating that I'll
keep the vote open for seven days.
Jochen
--
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the
majority, it is time to pause and reflect.
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Re: [VOTE] Merge xmlrpc-dev and xmlrpc-user
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
+1 from me.
On 7/27/06, Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> as the traffic on the xmlrpc-dev and xmlrpc-user lists is rather
> moderate, I find it counterproductive to have different lists. In its
> current state, the project would benefit more, of a single discussion
> list, which users and developers share. Therefore, I propose the
> following changes:
>
> 1.) Introduce a new list, xmlrpc-auto@ws.apache.org. This list
> will be initially
> populated with all current members of xmlrpc-dev.
> 2.) Ensure that SVN commits and Jira issues are forwarded to xmlrpc-auto.
> 3.) If step 2.) is done, merge the lists xmlrpc-user and
> xmlrpc-dev to a single
> list xmlrpc-dev. In other words, move all xmlrpc-user members
> to xmlrpc-dev.
> In order to keep current mail addresses valid, make
> xmlrpc-user an alias
> for xmlrpc-dev.
>
> Furthermore, I propose that all of this shall be done before the
> release of XML-RPC 3. In other words, make sure that the published
> XML-RPC 3 release reflects the new system.
>
> Jochen
>
> --
> Whenever you find yourself on the side of the
> majority, it is time to pause and reflect.
> (Mark Twain)
>
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Re: [VOTE] Merge xmlrpc-dev and xmlrpc-user
Posted by Rutger Heijmerikx <ru...@checksum.org>.
On 7/27/06, Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> as the traffic on the xmlrpc-dev and xmlrpc-user lists is rather
> moderate, I find it counterproductive to have different lists. In its
> current state, the project would benefit more, of a single discussion
> list, which users and developers share. Therefore, I propose the
> following changes:
>
> 1.) Introduce a new list, xmlrpc-auto@ws.apache.org. This list
> will be initially
> populated with all current members of xmlrpc-dev.
> 2.) Ensure that SVN commits and Jira issues are forwarded to xmlrpc-auto.
> 3.) If step 2.) is done, merge the lists xmlrpc-user and
> xmlrpc-dev to a single
> list xmlrpc-dev. In other words, move all xmlrpc-user members
> to xmlrpc-dev.
> In order to keep current mail addresses valid, make
> xmlrpc-user an alias
> for xmlrpc-dev.
>
> Furthermore, I propose that all of this shall be done before the
> release of XML-RPC 3. In other words, make sure that the published
> XML-RPC 3 release reflects the new system.
>
> Jochen
>
> --
> Whenever you find yourself on the side of the
> majority, it is time to pause and reflect.
> (Mark Twain)
>
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>
Good idea, the phrase "In its current state" is very applicable imo.
But when traffic increases because of the progress of the porject
you'll need to change it all back again? Maybe it's wise to wait and
see what conversation traffic will do untill the project does a major
release?
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Re: [VOTE] Merge xmlrpc-dev and xmlrpc-user
Posted by Jimisola Laursen <li...@jimisola.com>.
Hi!
I am not a member of the project and hence not able to vote, but I do have a
few cents to throw in.
The Maven Team did a small, but very good change not too long ago since
"real" posts drowned in the dev list by auto-generated mail. They created a
separate list for mail from Jira and SVN (Maven - Issues) and I figure that
this is the function that xmlrpc-auto will have for this project.
If I had a vote, I would vote that
1) xmlrpc-auto is created (populated with all current members of xmlrpc-dev)
2) xmlrpc-dev and xmlrpc-user are kept separate : there is use-case line
between the two and being a user you are usually not interested in
development "talk".
Regards,
Jimisola
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