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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com> on 2012/07/19 17:13:39 UTC
[UX] Review of MS Office 2013 UI
It appears that MS Office 2013 is starting to be reviewed. Check out the
C|NET review and supporting screen shots:
http://reviews.cnet.com/office-suites/the-new-microsoft-office/4505-3524_7-35374636.html
Regards,
Kevin
Re: [UX] Review of MS Office 2013 UI
Posted by Shenfeng Liu <li...@gmail.com>.
Xin,
Thanks very much for your sharing!
During the discussion for AOO future release, most of us a agreed that
the modern UI should be the content in 4.0, together with the UX
improvements from Symphony code. And in a short term, many users even want
to get continuous support with little change on the current UI. But it
doesn't mean that we can not start early for the investigation at the
sametime we do fidelity improvement for next release like 3.5. Maybe we can
create a branch and do some technical pilot which can be demo by end of
this year or early next year, depends on how many volunteers we get.
Personally I desire very much to see a 4.0 with modern UI as early as
possible.
- Shenfeng
2012/8/3 Xin Li <lx...@gmail.com>
> Maybe it is also a right time for us to review the AOO UI?
>
> I installed office 2013, I see some new features: cloud integration, more
> templates for Word, PPT and Excel, touch mode, editing PDFs and so on. I
> also see the big change on look and feel based on "Metro" design language.
> It is hard to say the design is good or not. Because every one has his own
> judgement. But we can have an analysis on the design. We can take a look at
> the UI advantage and disadvantage that we can consider it when we do the
> design for AOO.
>
> I'd like to share some my thoughts and understanding on "Metro" based on my
> work experience for WP7 before.
> We know that the "Metro" design language is not just designed for Office
> 2013. It begins with Windows Phone 7, and then Windows 8, and now
> obviously, Microsoft will use "Metro" design language as the next
> generation product design language, it will be applied on all MS products,
> so we see some Metro elements on Office 2013, it is followed the whole
> design metro.
> “Metro is light, clean, fast, content, typography.” These are principles
> stated by MS for Metro, If translate them to design objectives or creative
> brief: 1. Make users feels fast and responsive 2. Focus on primary tasks 3.
> Reduction of unnecessary elements 4. Delightful use of whitespace…We can
> essentially distill these points down to one word-SIMPLICITY or
> MINIMALIST：sense of responsiveness in user interface, reliance on less
> information (which in turn increases decision response in the end user) and
> a reduction in noises (distracting elements that add no value other than it
> was cool at the time)...
>
> I also found some office 2013 UI review from the internet:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/17/office2013_first_look/
>
> http://techsplurge.com/10846/microsoft-office-2013-review-metro-cloud-skype-tablet/
>
> Just for your references:)
>
>
> 2012/7/25 Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>
>
> > What elements of the MS Office UI could be emulated? Which elements
> should
> > be avoided? Where are there opportunities to improve?
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > On Jul 21, 2012, at 5:22 AM, "Dennis E. Hamilton" <
> dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > People who are curious about the Office 2013/365 UI can check out the
> > SkyDrive Web Apps preview that is now online,
> > > <
> >
> http://www.zdnet.com/microsofts-updated-office-web-apps-whats-new-7000001314/
> > >
> > > <https://skydrive.live.com/?officebeta=1>
> > >
> > > You'll need a Windows Live ID if you don't have one already. It should
> > work from most browsers, including Chrome and FireFox, as well as IE. I
> > just confirmed that it works with IE8 on Windows XP, not just IE9 on
> > Windows 7. I also got the same results in Chrome on Zorin Core (a Ubuntu
> > derivative) x64 in Oracle VirtualBox. I didn't manage it on my
> > WindowsPhone 7 though.
> > >
> > > I stumbled on this yesterday and I noticed three things in looking
> > closer today:
> > >
> > > 1. The UI is much like that in the desktop versions of the Office
> > Preview (and it is easy to collapse the Ribbon for those who don't like
> it,
> > especially when just viewing).
> > >
> > > 2. In addition to SkyDrive storing ODT, ODP, and ODS format documents,
> > there is now support for viewing them and editing them in the WebApps.
> For
> > the ODS that I uploaded and tested, it makes a copy for editing so that
> any
> > differences in ODF support don't corrupt the uploaded version. There is
> > also a compatibility warning if the file copy is edited. (There are such
> > warnings for Office features that aren't handled in the WebApps at this
> > time.) It is thrilling to see the formulas be preserved and working, all
> > in the Excel UI.
> > >
> > > 3. The SkyDrive and Office WebApps available in browsers are very handy
> > for confirmation of document interchange problems. This is another way
> to
> > convert documents between formats and also confirm what documents look
> like
> > in the Office applications, so long as WebApp features are sufficient.
> > >
> > > - Dennis
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 21:15
> > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: RE: [UX] Review of MS Office 2013 UI
> > >
> > > What I find interesting is the fact that inexpensive upgrades from
> > Windows XP to Windows 8 will be available.
> > >
> > > I have no idea how many XP configurations will qualify as able to run
> > Windows 8 though.
> > >
> > > There will be some sort of Windows 8 Compatibility Advisor program for
> > qualifying machines for upgrade. I will try it on my aging Toshiba
> Tablet
> > PC as soon as I can. I figure if there are problems, it is likely over
> > drivers that Toshiba didn't make available beyond Vista.
> > >
> > > I'm still startled by how well Office Preview handles and produces ODF
> > documents. I haven't run anything very demanding though.
> > >
> > > - Dennis
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 19:51
> > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: [UX] Review of MS Office 2013 UI
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Kevin Grignon
> > > <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> It appears that MS Office 2013 is starting to be reviewed. Check out
> the
> > >> C|NET review and supporting screen shots:
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> http://reviews.cnet.com/office-suites/the-new-microsoft-office/4505-3524_7-35374636.html
> > >>
> > >
> > > What I thought was interesting was that they were no longer going to
> > > support Windows XP and Vista. Office 2013 will require Windows 7 or
> > > 8.
> > >
> > > If we look at OpenOffice, only 58% of our Windows downloaders have
> > > been on Windows 7. (<1% Wndows 8). So 42% or so on versions of
> > > Windows that will not be supported in next version of MS Office.
> > >
> > > It will be interesting to see what happens around April 2014, when
> > > both Windows XP and Office 2003 support ends. There could be a few
> > > hundred million users looking for a Windows productivity suite that is
> > > still supported by someone.
> > >
> > > -Rob
> > >
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Kevin
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Xin Li 李欣
> UX designer
>
Re: [UX] Review of MS Office 2013 UI
Posted by Xin Li <lx...@gmail.com>.
Maybe it is also a right time for us to review the AOO UI?
I installed office 2013, I see some new features: cloud integration, more
templates for Word, PPT and Excel, touch mode, editing PDFs and so on. I
also see the big change on look and feel based on "Metro" design language.
It is hard to say the design is good or not. Because every one has his own
judgement. But we can have an analysis on the design. We can take a look at
the UI advantage and disadvantage that we can consider it when we do the
design for AOO.
I'd like to share some my thoughts and understanding on "Metro" based on my
work experience for WP7 before.
We know that the "Metro" design language is not just designed for Office
2013. It begins with Windows Phone 7, and then Windows 8, and now
obviously, Microsoft will use "Metro" design language as the next
generation product design language, it will be applied on all MS products,
so we see some Metro elements on Office 2013, it is followed the whole
design metro.
“Metro is light, clean, fast, content, typography.” These are principles
stated by MS for Metro, If translate them to design objectives or creative
brief: 1. Make users feels fast and responsive 2. Focus on primary tasks 3.
Reduction of unnecessary elements 4. Delightful use of whitespace…We can
essentially distill these points down to one word-SIMPLICITY or
MINIMALIST：sense of responsiveness in user interface, reliance on less
information (which in turn increases decision response in the end user) and
a reduction in noises (distracting elements that add no value other than it
was cool at the time)...
I also found some office 2013 UI review from the internet:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/17/office2013_first_look/
http://techsplurge.com/10846/microsoft-office-2013-review-metro-cloud-skype-tablet/
Just for your references:)
2012/7/25 Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>
> What elements of the MS Office UI could be emulated? Which elements should
> be avoided? Where are there opportunities to improve?
>
> Thoughts?
>
> On Jul 21, 2012, at 5:22 AM, "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>
> wrote:
>
> > People who are curious about the Office 2013/365 UI can check out the
> SkyDrive Web Apps preview that is now online,
> > <
> http://www.zdnet.com/microsofts-updated-office-web-apps-whats-new-7000001314/
> >
> > <https://skydrive.live.com/?officebeta=1>
> >
> > You'll need a Windows Live ID if you don't have one already. It should
> work from most browsers, including Chrome and FireFox, as well as IE. I
> just confirmed that it works with IE8 on Windows XP, not just IE9 on
> Windows 7. I also got the same results in Chrome on Zorin Core (a Ubuntu
> derivative) x64 in Oracle VirtualBox. I didn't manage it on my
> WindowsPhone 7 though.
> >
> > I stumbled on this yesterday and I noticed three things in looking
> closer today:
> >
> > 1. The UI is much like that in the desktop versions of the Office
> Preview (and it is easy to collapse the Ribbon for those who don't like it,
> especially when just viewing).
> >
> > 2. In addition to SkyDrive storing ODT, ODP, and ODS format documents,
> there is now support for viewing them and editing them in the WebApps. For
> the ODS that I uploaded and tested, it makes a copy for editing so that any
> differences in ODF support don't corrupt the uploaded version. There is
> also a compatibility warning if the file copy is edited. (There are such
> warnings for Office features that aren't handled in the WebApps at this
> time.) It is thrilling to see the formulas be preserved and working, all
> in the Excel UI.
> >
> > 3. The SkyDrive and Office WebApps available in browsers are very handy
> for confirmation of document interchange problems. This is another way to
> convert documents between formats and also confirm what documents look like
> in the Office applications, so long as WebApp features are sufficient.
> >
> > - Dennis
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 21:15
> > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: [UX] Review of MS Office 2013 UI
> >
> > What I find interesting is the fact that inexpensive upgrades from
> Windows XP to Windows 8 will be available.
> >
> > I have no idea how many XP configurations will qualify as able to run
> Windows 8 though.
> >
> > There will be some sort of Windows 8 Compatibility Advisor program for
> qualifying machines for upgrade. I will try it on my aging Toshiba Tablet
> PC as soon as I can. I figure if there are problems, it is likely over
> drivers that Toshiba didn't make available beyond Vista.
> >
> > I'm still startled by how well Office Preview handles and produces ODF
> documents. I haven't run anything very demanding though.
> >
> > - Dennis
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 19:51
> > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [UX] Review of MS Office 2013 UI
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Kevin Grignon
> > <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> It appears that MS Office 2013 is starting to be reviewed. Check out the
> >> C|NET review and supporting screen shots:
> >>
> >>
> http://reviews.cnet.com/office-suites/the-new-microsoft-office/4505-3524_7-35374636.html
> >>
> >
> > What I thought was interesting was that they were no longer going to
> > support Windows XP and Vista. Office 2013 will require Windows 7 or
> > 8.
> >
> > If we look at OpenOffice, only 58% of our Windows downloaders have
> > been on Windows 7. (<1% Wndows 8). So 42% or so on versions of
> > Windows that will not be supported in next version of MS Office.
> >
> > It will be interesting to see what happens around April 2014, when
> > both Windows XP and Office 2003 support ends. There could be a few
> > hundred million users looking for a Windows productivity suite that is
> > still supported by someone.
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >> Regards,
> >> Kevin
> >
>
--
Best regards,
Xin Li 李欣
UX designer
Re: [UX] Review of MS Office 2013 UI
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
What elements of the MS Office UI could be emulated? Which elements should be avoided? Where are there opportunities to improve?
Thoughts?
On Jul 21, 2012, at 5:22 AM, "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org> wrote:
> People who are curious about the Office 2013/365 UI can check out the SkyDrive Web Apps preview that is now online,
> <http://www.zdnet.com/microsofts-updated-office-web-apps-whats-new-7000001314/>
> <https://skydrive.live.com/?officebeta=1>
>
> You'll need a Windows Live ID if you don't have one already. It should work from most browsers, including Chrome and FireFox, as well as IE. I just confirmed that it works with IE8 on Windows XP, not just IE9 on Windows 7. I also got the same results in Chrome on Zorin Core (a Ubuntu derivative) x64 in Oracle VirtualBox. I didn't manage it on my WindowsPhone 7 though.
>
> I stumbled on this yesterday and I noticed three things in looking closer today:
>
> 1. The UI is much like that in the desktop versions of the Office Preview (and it is easy to collapse the Ribbon for those who don't like it, especially when just viewing).
>
> 2. In addition to SkyDrive storing ODT, ODP, and ODS format documents, there is now support for viewing them and editing them in the WebApps. For the ODS that I uploaded and tested, it makes a copy for editing so that any differences in ODF support don't corrupt the uploaded version. There is also a compatibility warning if the file copy is edited. (There are such warnings for Office features that aren't handled in the WebApps at this time.) It is thrilling to see the formulas be preserved and working, all in the Excel UI.
>
> 3. The SkyDrive and Office WebApps available in browsers are very handy for confirmation of document interchange problems. This is another way to convert documents between formats and also confirm what documents look like in the Office applications, so long as WebApp features are sufficient.
>
> - Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 21:15
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [UX] Review of MS Office 2013 UI
>
> What I find interesting is the fact that inexpensive upgrades from Windows XP to Windows 8 will be available.
>
> I have no idea how many XP configurations will qualify as able to run Windows 8 though.
>
> There will be some sort of Windows 8 Compatibility Advisor program for qualifying machines for upgrade. I will try it on my aging Toshiba Tablet PC as soon as I can. I figure if there are problems, it is likely over drivers that Toshiba didn't make available beyond Vista.
>
> I'm still startled by how well Office Preview handles and produces ODF documents. I haven't run anything very demanding though.
>
> - Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 19:51
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [UX] Review of MS Office 2013 UI
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Kevin Grignon
> <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It appears that MS Office 2013 is starting to be reviewed. Check out the
>> C|NET review and supporting screen shots:
>>
>> http://reviews.cnet.com/office-suites/the-new-microsoft-office/4505-3524_7-35374636.html
>>
>
> What I thought was interesting was that they were no longer going to
> support Windows XP and Vista. Office 2013 will require Windows 7 or
> 8.
>
> If we look at OpenOffice, only 58% of our Windows downloaders have
> been on Windows 7. (<1% Wndows 8). So 42% or so on versions of
> Windows that will not be supported in next version of MS Office.
>
> It will be interesting to see what happens around April 2014, when
> both Windows XP and Office 2003 support ends. There could be a few
> hundred million users looking for a Windows productivity suite that is
> still supported by someone.
>
> -Rob
>
>> Regards,
>> Kevin
>
RE: [UX] Review of MS Office 2013 UI
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
People who are curious about the Office 2013/365 UI can check out the SkyDrive Web Apps preview that is now online,
<http://www.zdnet.com/microsofts-updated-office-web-apps-whats-new-7000001314/>
<https://skydrive.live.com/?officebeta=1>
You'll need a Windows Live ID if you don't have one already. It should work from most browsers, including Chrome and FireFox, as well as IE. I just confirmed that it works with IE8 on Windows XP, not just IE9 on Windows 7. I also got the same results in Chrome on Zorin Core (a Ubuntu derivative) x64 in Oracle VirtualBox. I didn't manage it on my WindowsPhone 7 though.
I stumbled on this yesterday and I noticed three things in looking closer today:
1. The UI is much like that in the desktop versions of the Office Preview (and it is easy to collapse the Ribbon for those who don't like it, especially when just viewing).
2. In addition to SkyDrive storing ODT, ODP, and ODS format documents, there is now support for viewing them and editing them in the WebApps. For the ODS that I uploaded and tested, it makes a copy for editing so that any differences in ODF support don't corrupt the uploaded version. There is also a compatibility warning if the file copy is edited. (There are such warnings for Office features that aren't handled in the WebApps at this time.) It is thrilling to see the formulas be preserved and working, all in the Excel UI.
3. The SkyDrive and Office WebApps available in browsers are very handy for confirmation of document interchange problems. This is another way to convert documents between formats and also confirm what documents look like in the Office applications, so long as WebApp features are sufficient.
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 21:15
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: [UX] Review of MS Office 2013 UI
What I find interesting is the fact that inexpensive upgrades from Windows XP to Windows 8 will be available.
I have no idea how many XP configurations will qualify as able to run Windows 8 though.
There will be some sort of Windows 8 Compatibility Advisor program for qualifying machines for upgrade. I will try it on my aging Toshiba Tablet PC as soon as I can. I figure if there are problems, it is likely over drivers that Toshiba didn't make available beyond Vista.
I'm still startled by how well Office Preview handles and produces ODF documents. I haven't run anything very demanding though.
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 19:51
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [UX] Review of MS Office 2013 UI
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Kevin Grignon
<ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It appears that MS Office 2013 is starting to be reviewed. Check out the
> C|NET review and supporting screen shots:
>
> http://reviews.cnet.com/office-suites/the-new-microsoft-office/4505-3524_7-35374636.html
>
What I thought was interesting was that they were no longer going to
support Windows XP and Vista. Office 2013 will require Windows 7 or
8.
If we look at OpenOffice, only 58% of our Windows downloaders have
been on Windows 7. (<1% Wndows 8). So 42% or so on versions of
Windows that will not be supported in next version of MS Office.
It will be interesting to see what happens around April 2014, when
both Windows XP and Office 2003 support ends. There could be a few
hundred million users looking for a Windows productivity suite that is
still supported by someone.
-Rob
> Regards,
> Kevin
RE: [UX] Review of MS Office 2013 UI
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
What I find interesting is the fact that inexpensive upgrades from Windows XP to Windows 8 will be available.
I have no idea how many XP configurations will qualify as able to run Windows 8 though.
There will be some sort of Windows 8 Compatibility Advisor program for qualifying machines for upgrade. I will try it on my aging Toshiba Tablet PC as soon as I can. I figure if there are problems, it is likely over drivers that Toshiba didn't make available beyond Vista.
I'm still startled by how well Office Preview handles and produces ODF documents. I haven't run anything very demanding though.
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 19:51
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [UX] Review of MS Office 2013 UI
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Kevin Grignon
<ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It appears that MS Office 2013 is starting to be reviewed. Check out the
> C|NET review and supporting screen shots:
>
> http://reviews.cnet.com/office-suites/the-new-microsoft-office/4505-3524_7-35374636.html
>
What I thought was interesting was that they were no longer going to
support Windows XP and Vista. Office 2013 will require Windows 7 or
8.
If we look at OpenOffice, only 58% of our Windows downloaders have
been on Windows 7. (<1% Wndows 8). So 42% or so on versions of
Windows that will not be supported in next version of MS Office.
It will be interesting to see what happens around April 2014, when
both Windows XP and Office 2003 support ends. There could be a few
hundred million users looking for a Windows productivity suite that is
still supported by someone.
-Rob
> Regards,
> Kevin
Re: [UX] Review of MS Office 2013 UI
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Kevin Grignon
<ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It appears that MS Office 2013 is starting to be reviewed. Check out the
> C|NET review and supporting screen shots:
>
> http://reviews.cnet.com/office-suites/the-new-microsoft-office/4505-3524_7-35374636.html
>
What I thought was interesting was that they were no longer going to
support Windows XP and Vista. Office 2013 will require Windows 7 or
8.
If we look at OpenOffice, only 58% of our Windows downloaders have
been on Windows 7. (<1% Wndows 8). So 42% or so on versions of
Windows that will not be supported in next version of MS Office.
It will be interesting to see what happens around April 2014, when
both Windows XP and Office 2003 support ends. There could be a few
hundred million users looking for a Windows productivity suite that is
still supported by someone.
-Rob
> Regards,
> Kevin