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Why not a building maven with maven doc?

Is there any reson (besides resources to write it) that there's no info 
on building maven with maven?

I find it an interesting paradox that all the info on building maven 
points to ant...

Is it because latest releases cannot build maven? I've updating maven 
CVS from some time, and I'd really prefer to use maven to build maven...

I'm not sure why there no mention of maven goals (maven:jar-install, 
maven:build-install) in the build section, I was about to submit a patch 
on this, until I found the document was named bootstrap.

Any feedback on this? Am I missing some important compilation issues 
(probably)? Or is it just a missing doc?

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Re: Why not a building maven with maven doc?

Posted by Jerome Lacoste <je...@coffeebreaks.org>.
On Fri, 2004-06-18 at 14:10, Miguel Griffa wrote:
> Jerome Lacoste wrote:
> 
> >On Thu, 2004-06-17 at 20:51, Miguel Griffa wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Is there any reson (besides resources to write it) that there's no info 
> >>on building maven with maven?
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >you need to have a working version of maven to build maven.
> >  
> >
> What I don't get is: what's wrong with rc1, rc2, rc3 binaries?
> shuoldn't they be considered working versions to compile maven sources?
> 
> >Hence the bootstrap mecanism.
> >  
> >
> I discoverd this, after using ant to install in maven-cvs, I could then 
> use that maven to build maven,
> But I couldn't use the maven-rc1 to work.
> Maybe my ignorance, maybe something more...
> 
> Thanks for answering

There's nothing wrong with former maven binaries.
But when you build from source you just don't want to depend on them.

It's a chicken and egg problem. 

Furthermore if there was a bug in one former version of maven, you would
have to specify a specific version of maven. That would be the same as
depending on ant for example.

As people only want to support one build mechanism, you have your
answer.

Jerome



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Re: Why not a building maven with maven doc?

Posted by Miguel Griffa <mg...@technisys.net>.
Jerome Lacoste wrote:

>On Thu, 2004-06-17 at 20:51, Miguel Griffa wrote:
>  
>
>>Is there any reson (besides resources to write it) that there's no info 
>>on building maven with maven?
>>    
>>
>
>you need to have a working version of maven to build maven.
>  
>
What I don't get is: what's wrong with rc1, rc2, rc3 binaries?
shuoldn't they be considered working versions to compile maven sources?

>Hence the bootstrap mecanism.
>  
>
I discoverd this, after using ant to install in maven-cvs, I could then 
use that maven to build maven,
But I couldn't use the maven-rc1 to work.
Maybe my ignorance, maybe something more...

Thanks for answering

>Indeed maven is built with maven, 
>
>but you need ant to build the maven
>bootstrap. Otherwise you have a catch 22 problem...
>
>J
>
>
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Re: Why not a building maven with maven doc?

Posted by Jerome Lacoste <je...@coffeebreaks.org>.
On Thu, 2004-06-17 at 20:51, Miguel Griffa wrote:
> Is there any reson (besides resources to write it) that there's no info 
> on building maven with maven?

you need to have a working version of maven to build maven.
Hence the bootstrap mecanism.

Indeed maven is built with maven, but you need ant to build the maven
bootstrap. Otherwise you have a catch 22 problem...

J



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