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Posted to dev@httpd.apache.org by "Roy T. Fielding" <fi...@gbiv.com> on 2006/07/28 20:51:36 UTC
product name
On Jul 27, 2006, at 1:36 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> Roy T. Fielding wrote:
>>>> That line is for the product name, not the project name.
>>>
>>> And - I understood that our product is the Apache HTTP Server,
>>> not httpd.
>>> At least that's been the consensus in the docs project for the
>>> last three
>>> years.
>> Well, the docs project consensus is wrong. Our main product is httpd
>> (one of several products) and our project is Apache HTTP Server
>> Project.
>> Change it back, please. It isn't important enough to stop the
>> release,
>> but I really don't appreciate people tweaking a file that I edited
>> myself
>> just a couple weeks ago to contain the correct legal information.
>
> Well, as I read it it was the incorrect legal information based on the
> project's evolution and group concensus. My appologies if I'm wrong.
Our product is
apache_1.3.37.tar.gz
httpd-2.0.59-win32-src.zip
httpd-2.0.59.tar.gz
httpd-2.2.3-win32-src.zip
httpd-2.2.3.tar.gz
and the NOTICE files are tied to the source tree (httpd).
> What is wrong with this page (and the rest of the website and project
> files and...):
>
> http://httpd.apache.org/
>
> Your title "httpd" is definately wrong. NCSA was httpd. Others
> ship httpd.
> This being "Apache httpd" at the very least invalidated the
> original NOTICE.
That is nonsense.
> httpd is the name of -one- binary in the Apache HTTP Server, which
> includes
> a host of other binaries (e.g. support/) and the NOTICE file you
> placed
> there applies to them all, no?
It is the name of the product containing a whole bunch of source code
and many binaries, one of which is sometimes called httpd. The tarballs
are called httpd. The legal notices will be called httpd, and the links
to the artifacts will be called httpd. The only reason there is any
confusion at all regarding the name is because the windows installer
never used the right name.
> I have this nagging suspicion that once again the project has offended
> your sensibilities while your back was turned. Please be assured
> it wasn't
> intentional, but that we had this back-and-forth for months before the
> -project- determined it creates the Apache HTTP Server. A recent
> comment
> to Mark reaffirms it, I didn't see your response?
I've been reading this dev list continuously for the past six years.
People discuss what to put in the Announcement text on every release,
but the only discussion I've seen about our product name was Paul's
suggestion we change it to "d". Only recently did people start changing
the text to remove httpd, and that was certainly not by consensus.
Do you have a pointer, or are these just more off-list conversations?
....Roy
Re: product name
Posted by Nick Kew <ni...@webthing.com>.
On Friday 28 July 2006 22:59, Jorge Schrauwen wrote:
> Let me sugest:
> :: Nahche ::
>
> Nahche (Na-ai-che, `mischievous,' `meddlesome.'-George Wrattan). An
> Apache warrior, a member of the Chiricahua band. He is the second son
> of the celebrated Cochise, and as hereditary chief succeeded his elder
> brother, Tazi, on the death of the latter. His mother was a daughter
> of the notorious Mangas Coloradas.
>
>
> why:
> 1) looks vagly like Apache ;)
> 2) has a link to Apache Indians
> 3) Sounds cool
I don't like it. Too confusing for an english-speaker to try and pronunce.
That's not at all the same as confusion over pronunciation of, say, Linux.
We may get that wrong, but we can do so with reasonable fluency and
confidence. Not so Nahche:-(
I wonder if that might also carry a risk of offending any descendents of
the apache indians, if he's such an important figure in their history?
--
Nick Kew
Re: product name
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
Nick Kew wrote:
> Isn't the whole problem the lack of a proper product name that
> we or anyone can identify with (other than "Apache")?
>
> With that in mind, how about something more distinctive and
> less ineffably lame than anything like "httpd" or "web server"?
> For example, draw on our heritage and name it "feather"?
> Or find a novel word that describes a central role in communication?
> Did the apache indians have any great meeting? Or perhaps
> we could take a word from some more familiar tradition that
> hasn't hitherto been adopted on the 'net?
Well this is a question in two parts. What *is* our product name right now?
So it should remain until the 'next major release', e.g. at least 2.4 if not
through 2.x.
The second part is what should the next Apache HTTP Server be called? That's
what started the thread about "d", and I think your ideas are more speaking
to that 'next name'. Which isn't a bad discussion to start now, thank you.
Bill
Re: product name
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
Jorge Schrauwen wrote:
> Let me sugest:
>
> :: Nahche ::
> Nahche (Na-ai-che, `mischievous,' `meddlesome.'-George Wrattan). An
> Apache warrior, a member of the Chiricahua band. He is the second son
> of the celebrated Cochise, and as hereditary chief succeeded his elder
> brother, Tazi, on the death of the latter. His mother was a daughter
> of the notorious Mangas Coloradas.
FYI we are careful not avoid adding more Indian names, but most importantly,
we would never borrow a proper individuals' names. If your suggested name
wouldn't fly with the NCAA it probably won't fly here :)
Bill
Re: product name
Posted by Jorge Schrauwen <jo...@gmail.com>.
Let me sugest:
:: Nahche ::
Nahche (Na-ai-che, `mischievous,' `meddlesome.'-George Wrattan). An
Apache warrior, a member of the Chiricahua band. He is the second son
of the celebrated Cochise, and as hereditary chief succeeded his elder
brother, Tazi, on the death of the latter. His mother was a daughter
of the notorious Mangas Coloradas.
why:
1) looks vagly like Apache ;)
2) has a link to Apache Indians
3) Sounds cool
On 7/28/06, Nick Kew <ni...@webthing.com> wrote:
> On Friday 28 July 2006 19:51, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
>
> > Our product is
> >
> > apache_1.3.37.tar.gz
> > httpd-2.0.59-win32-src.zip
> > httpd-2.0.59.tar.gz
> > httpd-2.2.3-win32-src.zip
> > httpd-2.2.3.tar.gz
> >
> > and the NOTICE files are tied to the source tree (httpd).
>
> Isn't the whole problem the lack of a proper product name that
> we or anyone can identify with (other than "Apache")?
>
> With that in mind, how about something more distinctive and
> less ineffably lame than anything like "httpd" or "web server"?
> For example, draw on our heritage and name it "feather"?
> Or find a novel word that describes a central role in communication?
> Did the apache indians have any great meeting? Or perhaps
> we could take a word from some more familiar tradition that
> hasn't hitherto been adopted on the 'net?
>
> --
> Nick Kew
>
--
~Jorge
Re: product name
Posted by Nick Kew <ni...@webthing.com>.
On Friday 28 July 2006 19:51, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
> Our product is
>
> apache_1.3.37.tar.gz
> httpd-2.0.59-win32-src.zip
> httpd-2.0.59.tar.gz
> httpd-2.2.3-win32-src.zip
> httpd-2.2.3.tar.gz
>
> and the NOTICE files are tied to the source tree (httpd).
Isn't the whole problem the lack of a proper product name that
we or anyone can identify with (other than "Apache")?
With that in mind, how about something more distinctive and
less ineffably lame than anything like "httpd" or "web server"?
For example, draw on our heritage and name it "feather"?
Or find a novel word that describes a central role in communication?
Did the apache indians have any great meeting? Or perhaps
we could take a word from some more familiar tradition that
hasn't hitherto been adopted on the 'net?
--
Nick Kew
Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions
Posted by André Malo <nd...@perlig.de>.
* William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> > Roy T. Fielding wrote:
> >> I tried to yesterday, but it is nigh impossible without a single
> >> unique word to search for. Maybe we should just hold another vote.
> >
> > It's hellish to search for, yes. The topic is raised every once in a
> > while and nobody stops to say "Wait, we create the 'httpd' program
> > guys!" So I'd totally disagree with you that it's not consensus. But
> > I'll agree it has changed over the years by lazy consensus.
>
> Roy would prefer we determine the active consensus. Please vote for what
> you believe is the principal, proper name of the product we create from
> the sources located in the http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/httpd/
> repository (vote for one);
A new thread would have been nice...
> [ ] httpd
> [ ] Apache httpd
> [ ] Apache httpd Server
> [ ] Apache HTTP Server
^X
> [ ] Other: ________________
>
> This reflects the name of the -current releases- only, we aren't asking
> you to choose (or add) your desired name for -future versions-.
nd
--
print "Just Another Perl Hacker";
# André Malo, <http://pub.perlig.de/> #
Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions
Posted by Sander Temme <sc...@apache.org>.
On Jul 29, 2006, at 11:54 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> [ ] httpd
> [ ] Apache httpd
> [ ] Apache httpd Server
> [X] Apache HTTP Server
> [ ] Other: ________________
--
sctemme@apache.org http://www.temme.net/sander/
PGP FP: 51B4 8727 466A 0BC3 69F4 B7B8 B2BE BC40 1529 24AF
Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions
Posted by Maxime Petazzoni <ma...@bulix.org>.
Hi,
As most of the things I had to say on this topic have been said
already, let's just vote :
> [ ] httpd
> [ ] Apache httpd
> [ ] Apache httpd Server
> [X] Apache HTTP Server
> [ ] Other: ________________
Regards,
- Maxime
--
Maxime Petazzoni (http://www.bulix.org)
-- gone crazy, back soon. leave message.
Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions
Posted by Nick Kew <ni...@webthing.com>.
On Saturday 29 July 2006 21:28, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> Steffen wrote:
> > I opt for: Apache Web Server
>
> The vote thread asks for feedback on -shipping- versions, that is,
> the names we use today.
The only word we have today that qualifies as a name is Apache.
Adding stop words to that will make no difference to the world at large.
Steffen's suggestion is one of many that's in widespread use,
and is a good description.
> This could be one of the suggestions on the
> -other- thread discussing what the 'next version' will be called.
No, it doesn't introduce a new name that anyone will use.
--
Nick Kew
Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions
Posted by Jean-frederic Clere <jf...@gmail.com>.
Steffen wrote:
> I opt for: Apache Web Server
No: Tomcat is also an Apache web server (via its DefaultServlet).
Cheers
Jean-Frederric
>
> Apache is more then only based on the HTTP protocol/specification ,
> other official protocols/specifcations are used by Apache , eg. TLS, zlib
>
> Steffen
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William A. Rowe, Jr."
> <wr...@rowe-clan.net>
> To: <de...@httpd.apache.org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 21:54
> Subject: Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions
>
>
>> William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> [ ] httpd
>>> [ ] Apache httpd
>>> [ ] Apache httpd Server
>>> [X] Apache HTTP Server
>>> [ ] Other: ________________
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
Steffen wrote:
> I opt for: Apache Web Server
The vote thread asks for feedback on -shipping- versions, that is,
the names we use today. This could be one of the suggestions on the
-other- thread discussing what the 'next version' will be called.
Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions
Posted by Steffen <in...@apachelounge.com>.
I opt for: Apache Web Server
Apache is more then only based on the HTTP protocol/specification , other
official protocols/specifcations are used by Apache , eg. TLS, zlib
Steffen
----- Original Message -----
From: "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>
To: <de...@httpd.apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 21:54
Subject: Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions
> William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
>>
>> [ ] httpd
>> [ ] Apache httpd
>> [ ] Apache httpd Server
>> [X] Apache HTTP Server
>> [ ] Other: ________________
>
>
Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions
Posted by Steffen <in...@apachelounge.com>.
Apache HTTP Server
I assume that the D stands for Deamon, and that is a specific term used in
the *nix world. In eg. Windows Apache is named an Service or Application.
Steffen
ps.
But still I opt for Apache Web Server, it is all what it does.
----- Original Message -----
From: "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>
To: <de...@httpd.apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 21:54
Subject: Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions
> William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
>>
>> [ ] httpd
>> [ ] Apache httpd
>> [ ] Apache httpd Server
>> [X] Apache HTTP Server
>> [ ] Other: ________________
>
>
Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
>
> [ ] httpd
> [ ] Apache httpd
> [ ] Apache httpd Server
> [X] Apache HTTP Server
> [ ] Other: ________________
Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions
Posted by "Roy T. Fielding" <fi...@gbiv.com>.
On Aug 10, 2006, at 12:26 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
>>
>> Roy would prefer we determine the active consensus. Please vote
>> for what
>> you believe is the principal, proper name of the product we create
>> from
>> the sources located in the http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/
>> httpd/
>> repository (vote for one);
>>
>> This reflects the name of the -current releases- only, we aren't
>> asking you to
>> choose (or add) your desired name for -future versions-.
>>
>> httpd fielding (implicit)
>> Apache httpd
>> Apache httpd Server
>> Apache HTTP Server wrowe, nd, sctemme, maxime
>> Apache niq (implicit)
>
> Pretty darned quiet - either "it's summer" or nobody feels like
> joining the fray
> when Roy and Will go at it?
>
> In any case, although I don't disagree with niq that almost
> everyone knows this
> as 'Apache', that isn't/cannot be our product name, and I think
> just about all
> here would agree. The clever Apache Web Server was interesting,
> but in the
> archives that was considered/eliminated on several occasions in the
> past.
I think it would have been more effective to place a list of product
names in STATUS and let people vote for the ones they like, dislike,
or don't care. That way we wouldn't be limited to the list you gave.
I've been too busy this month to care -- I came back from vacation to
find that our entire office needs to move down the street within the
next three weeks and the new office needs power, phones, network wires,
and all that other stuff designed and installed before move-in.
....Roy
Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions
Posted by Jorge Schrauwen <jo...@gmail.com>.
Well I'm on vacation so thats why I don't reply much.
But i do agree that it does more than just just HTTP.
this will be even more true if mod_ftp gets out of incubator.
So I'm not really for the HTTP in de name.
On 8/10/06, Colm MacCarthaigh <co...@stdlib.net> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 12:26:23PM -0700, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> > Pretty darned quiet - either "it's summer" or nobody feels like
> > joining the fray when Roy and Will go at it?
>
> Well, Paul's talk in San Diego got me thinking. We're not really "just"
> about HTTP any more, it's a misnomer. We're about delivering information
> using many different protocols accross the internet. I don't know,
> something like Internet Information Server just seems more appropriate
> somehow.
>
> --
> Colm MacCárthaigh Public Key: colm+pgp@stdlib.net
>
--
~Jorge
Re: Product name - for future versions
Posted by Jorge Schrauwen <jo...@gmail.com>.
> I still stand by "Apache Server Framework" as the best choice.
I like this a lot too!
(Or either Apache World Dominitation Project j/k)
--
~Jorge
Re: Product name - for future versions
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
Paul Querna wrote:
>
> I still stand by "Apache Server Framework" as the best choice. The ASF'S
> ASF is the ultimate way to deliver data from a server :)
:) ++1
Re: Product name - for future versions
Posted by Paul Querna <ch...@force-elite.com>.
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> Colm MacCarthaigh wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 12:26:23PM -0700, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
>>> Pretty darned quiet - either "it's summer" or nobody feels like
>>> joining the fray when Roy and Will go at it?
>> Well, Paul's talk in San Diego got me thinking. We're not really "just"
>> about HTTP any more, it's a misnomer. We're about delivering information
>> using many different protocols accross the internet. I don't know,
>> something like Internet Information Server just seems more appropriate
>> somehow.
>
> LOL :) Well as I said; focus is on the name of what's /repos/asf/httpd/httpd
> today. Granted, "d" might be a bit too general, but I agree with everyone
> who's said that the 'next release' aught to get a broader name than just
> plain old Apache HTTP Server. Apache ++HTTP Server? Apache Scheme[] Server?
> Some wordplay with MPM (since that's by far the distinguishing characteristic
> of today's httpd over all previous ones, and colors the implementation of any
> protocol that's compiled into the server.)
>
> Apache Empeem Server?
Man, naming incubator projects is hell enough, why bring that kind of
wasted time to dev@httpd?
On a serious note, For all future 1.3.x and 2.x releases, 'Apache HTTP
Server' or whatever the consensus turns out to be is fine by me.
I still stand by "Apache Server Framework" as the best choice. The ASF'S
ASF is the ultimate way to deliver data from a server :)
Anyways, I honestly don't care about this in any real manner until we
are much closer to a 3.0 stage.
-Paul
Product name - for future versions
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
Colm MacCarthaigh wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 12:26:23PM -0700, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
>> Pretty darned quiet - either "it's summer" or nobody feels like
>> joining the fray when Roy and Will go at it?
>
> Well, Paul's talk in San Diego got me thinking. We're not really "just"
> about HTTP any more, it's a misnomer. We're about delivering information
> using many different protocols accross the internet. I don't know,
> something like Internet Information Server just seems more appropriate
> somehow.
LOL :) Well as I said; focus is on the name of what's /repos/asf/httpd/httpd
today. Granted, "d" might be a bit too general, but I agree with everyone
who's said that the 'next release' aught to get a broader name than just
plain old Apache HTTP Server. Apache ++HTTP Server? Apache Scheme[] Server?
Some wordplay with MPM (since that's by far the distinguishing characteristic
of today's httpd over all previous ones, and colors the implementation of any
protocol that's compiled into the server.)
Apache Empeem Server?
Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions
Posted by Colm MacCarthaigh <co...@stdlib.net>.
On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 12:26:23PM -0700, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> Pretty darned quiet - either "it's summer" or nobody feels like
> joining the fray when Roy and Will go at it?
Well, Paul's talk in San Diego got me thinking. We're not really "just"
about HTTP any more, it's a misnomer. We're about delivering information
using many different protocols accross the internet. I don't know,
something like Internet Information Server just seems more appropriate
somehow.
--
Colm MacCárthaigh Public Key: colm+pgp@stdlib.net
Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions
Posted by Ruediger Pluem <rp...@apache.org>.
On 08/10/2006 09:26 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
>
>>Roy would prefer we determine the active consensus. Please vote for what
>>you believe is the principal, proper name of the product we create from
>>the sources located in the http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/httpd/
>>repository (vote for one);
>>
>>This reflects the name of the -current releases- only, we aren't asking you to
>>choose (or add) your desired name for -future versions-.
>>
>> Apache HTTP Server wrowe, nd, sctemme, maxime
+1
Regards
Rüdiger
Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
>
> Roy would prefer we determine the active consensus. Please vote for what
> you believe is the principal, proper name of the product we create from
> the sources located in the http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/httpd/
> repository (vote for one);
>
> This reflects the name of the -current releases- only, we aren't asking you to
> choose (or add) your desired name for -future versions-.
>
> httpd fielding (implicit)
> Apache httpd
> Apache httpd Server
> Apache HTTP Server wrowe, nd, sctemme, maxime
> Apache niq (implicit)
Pretty darned quiet - either "it's summer" or nobody feels like joining the fray
when Roy and Will go at it?
In any case, although I don't disagree with niq that almost everyone knows this
as 'Apache', that isn't/cannot be our product name, and I think just about all
here would agree. The clever Apache Web Server was interesting, but in the
archives that was considered/eliminated on several occasions in the past.
Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions
Posted by Guy Hulbert <gw...@eol.ca>.
I don't think I'm eligible to vote but I would point out that in the
third name the 'd' in 'httpd' is redundant if you append 'Server'.
On Sat, 2006-29-07 at 13:54 -0500, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> [ ] httpd
> [ ] Apache httpd
> [ ] Apache httpd Server
> [ ] Apache HTTP Server
> [ ] Other: ________________
--
--gh
Re: [Vote] product name - for shipping versions
Posted by Jorge Schrauwen <jo...@gmail.com>.
> [ ] httpd
> [ ] Apache httpd
> [ ] Apache httpd Server
> [ ] Apache HTTP Server
> [X] Other: Apache Server
I went for Apache Server,
As of now it can do more than just http requests.
Look at the mod_ftpd for examle (not the one in incubator!!)
So Apache Server seems good to me... and this also takes into account
any futare protocal from core seperation.
--
~Jorge
[Vote] product name - for shipping versions
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> Roy T. Fielding wrote:
>
>> I tried to yesterday, but it is nigh impossible without a single unique
>> word to search for. Maybe we should just hold another vote.
>
> It's hellish to search for, yes. The topic is raised every once in a while
> and nobody stops to say "Wait, we create the 'httpd' program guys!" So I'd
> totally disagree with you that it's not consensus. But I'll agree it has
> changed over the years by lazy consensus.
Roy would prefer we determine the active consensus. Please vote for what
you believe is the principal, proper name of the product we create from
the sources located in the http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/httpd/
repository (vote for one);
[ ] httpd
[ ] Apache httpd
[ ] Apache httpd Server
[ ] Apache HTTP Server
[ ] Other: ________________
This reflects the name of the -current releases- only, we aren't asking you to
choose (or add) your desired name for -future versions-.
Many thanks.
Re: product name - for shipping versions
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
Roy T. Fielding wrote:
>
> I agree, though if we change it we may as well go to apache-server-2.4.x
> given the noise about protocol-independence.
+1 and I've changed -this- thread subject to discuss what the name is right now.
>>> Only recently did people start changing the text to remove httpd,
>>> and that was certainly not by consensus.
Interesting interpretation, this was in cvs prior to commit logging :)
>From cvs commits I find... cvs version 1.1 of 1996 Nov of
htdocs/manual/misc/compat_notes.html starts with...
<TITLE>Apache HTTP Server: Compatibility Notes with NCSA's Server</TITLE>
I guess for those who've been around as long as you have Roy, 1996 is
relatively recent ;-) That's the first use I could discern. 1997 Aug we
find
+ log_printf (server_conf, "Apache HTTP Server version: %s",
added to httpd -v text.
>>> Do you have a pointer, or are these just more off-list conversations?
Various message ID's on the topic
199910 <Pi...@yaz.hyperreal.org>
200208 <Pi...@deepthought.cs.virginia.edu>
And many others. The gist is always 'well httpd works, but Apache HTTP Server
is authoritative' - e.g. the name we own as opposed to the name we inherited.
> Yes, but when we set up docs we made a conscious decision that absolutely
> no product changes (aside from the docs themselves) would be made on that
> list.
+1, but I don't think this is on them.
> I tried to yesterday, but it is nigh impossible without a single unique
> word to search for. Maybe we should just hold another vote.
It's hellish to search for, yes. The topic is raised every once in a while
and nobody stops to say "Wait, we create the 'httpd' program guys!" So I'd
totally disagree with you that it's not consensus. But I'll agree it has
changed over the years by lazy consensus.
+1 on a vote, I'll reply.
Bill
Re: product name
Posted by "Roy T. Fielding" <fi...@gbiv.com>.
On Jul 28, 2006, at 12:32 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> From this perspective and for clarity, while we are on the subject,
> perhaps
> apache-httpd-XXXXX would be the appropriate package names, and
> seems that
> would be consistent with how most many ASF projects are
> distributing their
> tarballs now? Not now perhaps, but with 2.4 or 3.0 release.
> Comments?
I agree, though if we change it we may as well go to apache-server-2.4.x
given the noise about protocol-independence.
>> Only recently did people start changing
>> the text to remove httpd, and that was certainly not by consensus.
>> Do you have a pointer, or are these just more off-list conversations?
>
> Just out of curiousity, have you also followed docs@ which is where
> almost
> all 'linguistic' twists around Apache HTTP tend to be discussed?
Yes, but when we set up docs we made a conscious decision that
absolutely
no product changes (aside from the docs themselves) would be made on
that
list.
> Will forward pointers to the list once I figure out a sane way to
> search
> them, later tonight. The thread has wound its way through httpd-dev,
> httpd-docs, prc, members, should be fun to track it back down.
I tried to yesterday, but it is nigh impossible without a single unique
word to search for. Maybe we should just hold another vote.
....Roy
Re: product name
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
Roy T. Fielding wrote:
>
> It is the name of the product containing a whole bunch of source code
> and many binaries, one of which is sometimes called httpd. The tarballs
> are called httpd. The legal notices will be called httpd, and the links
> to the artifacts will be called httpd. The only reason there is any
> confusion at all regarding the name is because the windows installer
> never used the right name.
Well, +++1 that windows 2.x binaries used the wrong name. Be fixed by me
if I'm the one to roll a windows binary for the next release 2.2.4.
http://archive.apache.org/dist/httpd/ shows this has been an issue for some
very long time, and had nothing to do with Windows. Just happened that
windows didn't s/apache/httpd/ in sync with the other platforms.
>From this perspective and for clarity, while we are on the subject, perhaps
apache-httpd-XXXXX would be the appropriate package names, and seems that
would be consistent with how most many ASF projects are distributing their
tarballs now? Not now perhaps, but with 2.4 or 3.0 release. Comments?
> Only recently did people start changing
> the text to remove httpd, and that was certainly not by consensus.
> Do you have a pointer, or are these just more off-list conversations?
Just out of curiousity, have you also followed docs@ which is where almost
all 'linguistic' twists around Apache HTTP tend to be discussed?
Will forward pointers to the list once I figure out a sane way to search
them, later tonight. The thread has wound its way through httpd-dev,
httpd-docs, prc, members, should be fun to track it back down.
I certainly hope this is not an off-list discussion.
Bill