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Posted to users@directory.apache.org by "Dunn-Roberts, Richard R" <ri...@lmco.com> on 2019/05/28 14:21:50 UTC
Removal from list
How do I remove my email from this list?
Thanks.
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Removal from list
Posted by Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com>.
In any case, I have modified the Directory web site mailing lists page
to make it easier for users to understand how to subscribe and/or
unsubscribe, adding a 'Subscribing' and 'Unsubscribing' paragraph :
http://directory.apache.org/mailing-lists-and-irc.html
Hope it helps !
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Removal from list
Posted by Darran Lofthouse <da...@jboss.com>.
The problem with this list is the unsubscribe information is hidden in the
headers, if someone is using a mail client that understands those headers I
suspect it will be quite easy to unsubscribe.
In the meantime unsubscribing should be possible by sending a message to
users-unsubscribe@directory.apache.org
Regards,
Darran Lofthouse.
On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 10:52 PM Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
>
> my sincere apoligies. I should never have used 'RTFM' on this mailing
> list. That was very lame.
>
>
> On 28/05/2019 23:27, Dunn-Roberts, Richard R wrote:
> > I did state that I was used having that information in a footer, and was
> told to simply reply unsubscribe. As far as the fucking manual goes, I did
> not know where that lives, either.
> >
> > So, Emmanuel, I will NOW perform the correct fucking action, and send an
> email to users-unsubscribe@directory.apache.org.
> >
> > Yours for direct, non-wimpified communication.
> >
> > Richard Roberts
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Neal Lawson <og...@sr375.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 2:54 PM
> > To: users@directory.apache.org
> > Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: Removal from list
> >
> > Well there’s that, however most listservs’ do honer the age old
> Unsubscribe response, it seems this one is borked in this regard…. We
> should consider appending a footer with a link to the list’s homepage for
> easy reference!
> >
> >> On May 28, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 28/05/2019 18:59, Shawn McKinney wrote:
> >>>> On May 28, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Brad Dean <br...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Unsubscribe
> >>> What’s up with all of these unsubscribers?
> >> They simply don't RTFM...
> >>
> >>
>
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Removal from list
Posted by Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com>.
Hi Richard,
my sincere apoligies. I should never have used 'RTFM' on this mailing
list. That was very lame.
On 28/05/2019 23:27, Dunn-Roberts, Richard R wrote:
> I did state that I was used having that information in a footer, and was told to simply reply unsubscribe. As far as the fucking manual goes, I did not know where that lives, either.
>
> So, Emmanuel, I will NOW perform the correct fucking action, and send an email to users-unsubscribe@directory.apache.org.
>
> Yours for direct, non-wimpified communication.
>
> Richard Roberts
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Neal Lawson <og...@sr375.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 2:54 PM
> To: users@directory.apache.org
> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: Removal from list
>
> Well there’s that, however most listservs’ do honer the age old Unsubscribe response, it seems this one is borked in this regard…. We should consider appending a footer with a link to the list’s homepage for easy reference!
>
>> On May 28, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 28/05/2019 18:59, Shawn McKinney wrote:
>>>> On May 28, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Brad Dean <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Unsubscribe
>>> What’s up with all of these unsubscribers?
>> They simply don't RTFM...
>>
>>
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Removal from list
Posted by Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com>.
Request sent : https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-18534
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Removal from list
Posted by Neal Lawson <og...@sr375.com>.
Awesome, Thank you for looking into it, I know most of the other lists im on have a footer/trailer so not so sure about the spam issue, however is understandable if its a software issue.
> On May 30, 2019, at 6:29 AM, Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Neal,
>
> I can't tell if we can add a trailer to our mails, I suspect this is 'forbidden' by The ASF just because it may trigger the spam detector - I would not be surprised if it was so -. I will ask Apache infrastructure team to see if we can do better.
>
> In any case, I have updated the web site, with explicit directions.
>
>
> On 30/05/2019 01:41, Neal Lawson wrote:
>> With all regards, we could do better, we really SHOULD have a footer with the link, and frankly the list serve we are using should honer the established standard of “unsubscribe” , if the software is not cabable of this, we should move to using a package that can or google groups.. we can do better with this, and just using the excuse of RTFM or or blowing people off is not appropriate . Never assume our users know how to get off of a list that uses non-standard methods….
>>
>> This is a failure on our part.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 29, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Brian Burch <br...@pingtoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 29/5/19 7:27 am, Dunn-Roberts, Richard R wrote:
>>>> I did state that I was used having that information in a footer, and was told to simply reply unsubscribe. As far as the fucking manual goes, I did not know where that lives, either.
>>>> So, Emmanuel, I will NOW perform the correct fucking action, and send an email to users-unsubscribe@directory.apache.org.
>>>> Yours for direct, non-wimpified communication.
>>>> Richard Roberts
>>> That was a very rude reaction, Richard. I hope the rest of your business communications are more polite..
>>>
>>> Emmanuel and his developer colleagues were very patient with you and the other unsubscribers. Emannuel works very hard on this project and cares very much about it, so the many clueless emails I have just waded through have wasted all our valuable time.
>>>
>>> We all know how to unsubscribe because we have been members of many other automated mailing lists during our professional lives.
>>>
>>> However, I simply typed "how to unsubscribe from an apache mailing list" into google and was presented with a clear answer.
>>>
>>> I have to conclude you preferred to trigger an argument, rather than do the slightest amount of work.
>>>
>>> Emmanuel is French, which you might not have noticed. RTFM is so much a part of technical jargon and shorthand that he should NOT have been insulted with genuine Anglo-Saxon expletives by a native English (American?) speaker. Shame on you...
>>>
>>> .. and goodbye from our mailing list.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Neal Lawson <og...@sr375.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 2:54 PM
>>>> To: users@directory.apache.org
>>>> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: Removal from list
>>>> Well there’s that, however most listservs’ do honer the age old Unsubscribe response, it seems this one is borked in this regard…. We should consider appending a footer with a link to the list’s homepage for easy reference!
>>>>> On May 28, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 28/05/2019 18:59, Shawn McKinney wrote:
>>>>>>> On May 28, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Brad Dean <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unsubscribe
>>>>>> What’s up with all of these unsubscribers?
>>>>> They simply don't RTFM...
>>>>>
>>>>>
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Removal from list
Posted by Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com>.
Hi Neal,
I can't tell if we can add a trailer to our mails, I suspect this is
'forbidden' by The ASF just because it may trigger the spam detector - I
would not be surprised if it was so -. I will ask Apache infrastructure
team to see if we can do better.
In any case, I have updated the web site, with explicit directions.
On 30/05/2019 01:41, Neal Lawson wrote:
> With all regards, we could do better, we really SHOULD have a footer with the link, and frankly the list serve we are using should honer the established standard of “unsubscribe” , if the software is not cabable of this, we should move to using a package that can or google groups.. we can do better with this, and just using the excuse of RTFM or or blowing people off is not appropriate . Never assume our users know how to get off of a list that uses non-standard methods….
>
> This is a failure on our part.
>
>
>
>> On May 29, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Brian Burch <br...@pingtoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 29/5/19 7:27 am, Dunn-Roberts, Richard R wrote:
>>> I did state that I was used having that information in a footer, and was told to simply reply unsubscribe. As far as the fucking manual goes, I did not know where that lives, either.
>>> So, Emmanuel, I will NOW perform the correct fucking action, and send an email to users-unsubscribe@directory.apache.org.
>>> Yours for direct, non-wimpified communication.
>>> Richard Roberts
>> That was a very rude reaction, Richard. I hope the rest of your business communications are more polite..
>>
>> Emmanuel and his developer colleagues were very patient with you and the other unsubscribers. Emannuel works very hard on this project and cares very much about it, so the many clueless emails I have just waded through have wasted all our valuable time.
>>
>> We all know how to unsubscribe because we have been members of many other automated mailing lists during our professional lives.
>>
>> However, I simply typed "how to unsubscribe from an apache mailing list" into google and was presented with a clear answer.
>>
>> I have to conclude you preferred to trigger an argument, rather than do the slightest amount of work.
>>
>> Emmanuel is French, which you might not have noticed. RTFM is so much a part of technical jargon and shorthand that he should NOT have been insulted with genuine Anglo-Saxon expletives by a native English (American?) speaker. Shame on you...
>>
>> .. and goodbye from our mailing list.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Neal Lawson <og...@sr375.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 2:54 PM
>>> To: users@directory.apache.org
>>> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: Removal from list
>>> Well there’s that, however most listservs’ do honer the age old Unsubscribe response, it seems this one is borked in this regard…. We should consider appending a footer with a link to the list’s homepage for easy reference!
>>>> On May 28, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 28/05/2019 18:59, Shawn McKinney wrote:
>>>>>> On May 28, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Brad Dean <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unsubscribe
>>>>> What’s up with all of these unsubscribers?
>>>> They simply don't RTFM...
>>>>
>>>>
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: Removal from list
Posted by "Dunn-Roberts, Richard R" <ri...@lmco.com>.
Neal:
Emmanuel and I have discussed our interaction, and, it ended with both of us apologizing for poor communications skills. 😃
So, let me now apologize to the group for my poorly stated response. And, thanks for your understanding.
May you all live in a world free of flame-wars.
Richard Roberts
-----Original Message-----
From: Neal Lawson <og...@sr375.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 7:42 PM
To: users@directory.apache.org
Cc: Dunn-Roberts, Richard R (US N-LEIDOS, INC.) <ri...@lmco.com>
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Removal from list
With all regards, we could do better, we really SHOULD have a footer with the link, and frankly the list serve we are using should honer the established standard of “unsubscribe” , if the software is not cabable of this, we should move to using a package that can or google groups.. we can do better with this, and just using the excuse of RTFM or or blowing people off is not appropriate . Never assume our users know how to get off of a list that uses non-standard methods….
This is a failure on our part.
> On May 29, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Brian Burch <br...@pingtoo.com>> wrote:
>
> On 29/5/19 7:27 am, Dunn-Roberts, Richard R wrote:
>> I did state that I was used having that information in a footer, and was told to simply reply unsubscribe. As far as the fucking manual goes, I did not know where that lives, either.
>> So, Emmanuel, I will NOW perform the correct fucking action, and send an email to users-unsubscribe@directory.apache.org<ma...@directory.apache.org>.
>> Yours for direct, non-wimpified communication.
>> Richard Roberts
>
> That was a very rude reaction, Richard. I hope the rest of your business communications are more polite..
>
> Emmanuel and his developer colleagues were very patient with you and the other unsubscribers. Emannuel works very hard on this project and cares very much about it, so the many clueless emails I have just waded through have wasted all our valuable time.
>
> We all know how to unsubscribe because we have been members of many other automated mailing lists during our professional lives.
>
> However, I simply typed "how to unsubscribe from an apache mailing list" into google and was presented with a clear answer.
>
> I have to conclude you preferred to trigger an argument, rather than do the slightest amount of work.
>
> Emmanuel is French, which you might not have noticed. RTFM is so much a part of technical jargon and shorthand that he should NOT have been insulted with genuine Anglo-Saxon expletives by a native English (American?) speaker. Shame on you...
>
> .. and goodbye from our mailing list.
>
> Brian
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Neal Lawson <og...@sr375.com>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 2:54 PM
>> To: users@directory.apache.org<ma...@directory.apache.org>
>> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: Removal from list Well there’s that, however
>> most listservs’ do honer the age old Unsubscribe response, it seems this one is borked in this regard…. We should consider appending a footer with a link to the list’s homepage for easy reference!
>>> On May 28, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 28/05/2019 18:59, Shawn McKinney wrote:
>>>>> On May 28, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Brad Dean <br...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Unsubscribe
>>>> What’s up with all of these unsubscribers?
>>>
>>> They simply don't RTFM...
>>>
>>>
>
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Removal from list
Posted by Neal Lawson <og...@sr375.com>.
With all regards, we could do better, we really SHOULD have a footer with the link, and frankly the list serve we are using should honer the established standard of “unsubscribe” , if the software is not cabable of this, we should move to using a package that can or google groups.. we can do better with this, and just using the excuse of RTFM or or blowing people off is not appropriate . Never assume our users know how to get off of a list that uses non-standard methods….
This is a failure on our part.
> On May 29, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Brian Burch <br...@pingtoo.com> wrote:
>
> On 29/5/19 7:27 am, Dunn-Roberts, Richard R wrote:
>> I did state that I was used having that information in a footer, and was told to simply reply unsubscribe. As far as the fucking manual goes, I did not know where that lives, either.
>> So, Emmanuel, I will NOW perform the correct fucking action, and send an email to users-unsubscribe@directory.apache.org.
>> Yours for direct, non-wimpified communication.
>> Richard Roberts
>
> That was a very rude reaction, Richard. I hope the rest of your business communications are more polite..
>
> Emmanuel and his developer colleagues were very patient with you and the other unsubscribers. Emannuel works very hard on this project and cares very much about it, so the many clueless emails I have just waded through have wasted all our valuable time.
>
> We all know how to unsubscribe because we have been members of many other automated mailing lists during our professional lives.
>
> However, I simply typed "how to unsubscribe from an apache mailing list" into google and was presented with a clear answer.
>
> I have to conclude you preferred to trigger an argument, rather than do the slightest amount of work.
>
> Emmanuel is French, which you might not have noticed. RTFM is so much a part of technical jargon and shorthand that he should NOT have been insulted with genuine Anglo-Saxon expletives by a native English (American?) speaker. Shame on you...
>
> .. and goodbye from our mailing list.
>
> Brian
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Neal Lawson <og...@sr375.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 2:54 PM
>> To: users@directory.apache.org
>> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: Removal from list
>> Well there’s that, however most listservs’ do honer the age old Unsubscribe response, it seems this one is borked in this regard…. We should consider appending a footer with a link to the list’s homepage for easy reference!
>>> On May 28, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 28/05/2019 18:59, Shawn McKinney wrote:
>>>>> On May 28, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Brad Dean <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Unsubscribe
>>>> What’s up with all of these unsubscribers?
>>>
>>> They simply don't RTFM...
>>>
>>>
>
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Removal from list
Posted by Brian Burch <br...@pingtoo.com>.
On 29/5/19 7:27 am, Dunn-Roberts, Richard R wrote:
> I did state that I was used having that information in a footer, and was told to simply reply unsubscribe. As far as the fucking manual goes, I did not know where that lives, either.
>
> So, Emmanuel, I will NOW perform the correct fucking action, and send an email to users-unsubscribe@directory.apache.org.
>
> Yours for direct, non-wimpified communication.
>
> Richard Roberts
That was a very rude reaction, Richard. I hope the rest of your business
communications are more polite..
Emmanuel and his developer colleagues were very patient with you and the
other unsubscribers. Emannuel works very hard on this project and cares
very much about it, so the many clueless emails I have just waded
through have wasted all our valuable time.
We all know how to unsubscribe because we have been members of many
other automated mailing lists during our professional lives.
However, I simply typed "how to unsubscribe from an apache mailing list"
into google and was presented with a clear answer.
I have to conclude you preferred to trigger an argument, rather than do
the slightest amount of work.
Emmanuel is French, which you might not have noticed. RTFM is so much a
part of technical jargon and shorthand that he should NOT have been
insulted with genuine Anglo-Saxon expletives by a native English
(American?) speaker. Shame on you...
.. and goodbye from our mailing list.
Brian
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Neal Lawson <og...@sr375.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 2:54 PM
> To: users@directory.apache.org
> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: Removal from list
>
> Well there’s that, however most listservs’ do honer the age old Unsubscribe response, it seems this one is borked in this regard…. We should consider appending a footer with a link to the list’s homepage for easy reference!
>
>> On May 28, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 28/05/2019 18:59, Shawn McKinney wrote:
>>>> On May 28, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Brad Dean <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Unsubscribe
>>> What’s up with all of these unsubscribers?
>>
>> They simply don't RTFM...
>>
>>
>
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: Removal from list
Posted by "Dunn-Roberts, Richard R" <ri...@lmco.com>.
I did state that I was used having that information in a footer, and was told to simply reply unsubscribe. As far as the fucking manual goes, I did not know where that lives, either.
So, Emmanuel, I will NOW perform the correct fucking action, and send an email to users-unsubscribe@directory.apache.org.
Yours for direct, non-wimpified communication.
Richard Roberts
-----Original Message-----
From: Neal Lawson <og...@sr375.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 2:54 PM
To: users@directory.apache.org
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: Removal from list
Well there’s that, however most listservs’ do honer the age old Unsubscribe response, it seems this one is borked in this regard…. We should consider appending a footer with a link to the list’s homepage for easy reference!
> On May 28, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 28/05/2019 18:59, Shawn McKinney wrote:
>>> On May 28, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Brad Dean <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Unsubscribe
>> What’s up with all of these unsubscribers?
>
> They simply don't RTFM...
>
>
Re: Removal from list
Posted by Neal Lawson <og...@sr375.com>.
Well there’s that, however most listservs’ do honer the age old Unsubscribe response, it seems this one is borked in this regard…. We should consider appending a footer with a link to the list’s homepage for easy reference!
> On May 28, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 28/05/2019 18:59, Shawn McKinney wrote:
>>> On May 28, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Brad Dean <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Unsubscribe
>> What’s up with all of these unsubscribers?
>
> They simply don't RTFM...
>
>
Re: Removal from list
Posted by Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com>.
FTR, we will have a trailer added to any mail on this mailing list :
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-18534
Re: Removal from list
Posted by Brian Burch <br...@pingtoo.com>.
On 29/5/19 4:51 am, Emmanuel Lécharny wrote:
>
> On 28/05/2019 18:59, Shawn McKinney wrote:
>>> On May 28, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Brad Dean <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Unsubscribe
>> What’s up with all of these unsubscribers?
>
> They simply don't RTFM...
I didn't know whether to sigh, cry, swear, or reply as I worked my way
through this thread inbox this morning.
Thanks very much for a) ending the spams, and b) giving me something to
laugh about and share with my friends!
Congratulations to eveyone for their civility and patience.
Brian
Re: Removal from list
Posted by Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com>.
On 28/05/2019 18:59, Shawn McKinney wrote:
>> On May 28, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Brad Dean <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Unsubscribe
> What’s up with all of these unsubscribers?
They simply don't RTFM...
Re: Removal from list
Posted by Shawn McKinney <sm...@apache.org>.
> On May 28, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Brad Dean <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Unsubscribe
What’s up with all of these unsubscribers?
Just send an email to:
users-unsubscribe@directory.apache.org
—Shawn
Re: Removal from list
Posted by Brad Dean <br...@gmail.com>.
Unsubscribe
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: Removal from list
Posted by "Dunn-Roberts, Richard R" <ri...@lmco.com>.
No.
Most of the lists to which I subscribe have instructions appended. I will try that.
R
-----Original Message-----
From: Neal Lawson <og...@sr375.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 10:33 AM
To: users@directory.apache.org
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: Removal from list
Have you tried just replying with “Unsubscribe”?
> On May 28, 2019, at 7:31 AM, Topping Bowers <to...@toppingdesign.com> wrote:
>
> I've been trying to do that too!
>
> On Tue, 28 May 2019 at 16:22, Dunn-Roberts, Richard R <
> richard.r.dunn-roberts@lmco.com> wrote:
>
>> How do I remove my email from this list?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>
>
> --
> Topper Bowers
>
> topper@toppingdesign.com
> github.com/tobowers
> linkedin.com/in/topperbowers
Re: Removal from list
Posted by Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com>.
On 28/05/2019 16:32, Neal Lawson wrote:
> Have you tried just replying with “Unsubscribe”?
http://directory.apache.org/mailing-lists-and-irc.html
Re: Removal from list
Posted by Neal Lawson <og...@sr375.com>.
Have you tried just replying with “Unsubscribe”?
> On May 28, 2019, at 7:31 AM, Topping Bowers <to...@toppingdesign.com> wrote:
>
> I've been trying to do that too!
>
> On Tue, 28 May 2019 at 16:22, Dunn-Roberts, Richard R <
> richard.r.dunn-roberts@lmco.com> wrote:
>
>> How do I remove my email from this list?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>
>
> --
> Topper Bowers
>
> topper@toppingdesign.com
> github.com/tobowers
> linkedin.com/in/topperbowers
Re: Removal from list
Posted by Topping Bowers <to...@toppingdesign.com>.
I've been trying to do that too!
On Tue, 28 May 2019 at 16:22, Dunn-Roberts, Richard R <
richard.r.dunn-roberts@lmco.com> wrote:
> How do I remove my email from this list?
>
> Thanks.
>
--
Topper Bowers
topper@toppingdesign.com
github.com/tobowers
linkedin.com/in/topperbowers