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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com> on 2019/12/05 16:02:10 UTC
Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
And here we go:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Where+to+download+plugins+for+NetBeans+10.0+and+earlier
-Jirka
Dne 28. 11. 19 v 18:24 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a):
> Excellent!
>
> Gj
>
> On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 18:22, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have downloaded that Plugin Portal data (which includes the NBMs and
>> catalog.xml) and am serving all the files from another server. I seem
>> to be able to register it in the IDE. Looking good.
>>
>> Once I get some confirmations I can make the URL public.
>>
>> --emi
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:12 PM Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi again Emilian,
>>>
>>> this is to confirm that I have sent the download location with PP2
>>> binaries snapshot to your GMail account.
>>>
>>> If you cannot find the e-mail, let me please know.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> -Jirka
>>>
>>> Dne 20. 11. 19 v 11:46 Jiří Kovalský napsal(a):
>>>> Hi Emilian,
>>>>
>>>> I am working on that and will send you download coordinates in a
>>>> private e-mail.
>>>>
>>>> -Jirka
>>>>
>>>> Dne 18. 11. 19 v 22:57 Emilian Bold napsal(a):
>>>>> No, really, is there some way to get the whole of
>> plugins.netbeans.org
>>>>> at once? Or crawl it at a faster speed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems to server is throttling me at 300KB which means the 20GB would
>>>>> take me a week.
>>>>>
>>>>> --emi
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:47 PM Christian Lenz
>>>>> <ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ➢ I think it would be a good idea to try to reach all contributers (I
>>>>>> ➢ assume a mail address is present) and get them to the new (still
>> to be
>>>>>> ➢ completed) plugin portal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just to say smth about that. From round about 10 plugin author, that
>>>>>> I tried to contact about aourcecode and other stuff, maybe half of it
>>>>>> answered me. I don’t know it exactly, but this is not that possible,
>>>>>> that everyone will response or can, because of no access to the mail
>>>>>> address anymore or discontinueing work or whatever reason. Just to
>>>>>> let you know, I tried it several times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Von: Matthias Bläsing
>>>>>> Gesendet: Montag, 18. November 2019 18:40
>>>>>> An: dev@netbeans.apache.org
>>>>>> Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed
>>>>>> plugins?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am Dienstag, den 12.11.2019, 13:51 +0100 schrieb Jiří Kovalský:
>>>>>>> we are preparing decommission of the old Plugin Portal 2.0 [1]
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> is hosted on Oracle infrastructure. Before we turn off the switch we
>>>>>>> need to decide what we want to do with the plugins contributed by
>> all
>>>>>>> the kind NetBeans community members over the years totaling ~20 GB.
>> I
>>>>>>> believe that we don't want to just delete these NBM files.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__plugins.netbeans.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=O2Fja6PhovWdi4X_mm2m8U9TYkedKKkllioZe0m_UKk&s=wJ7h5_LWddf9J3WgVdlF3XfjYcV1s0wONqa5fLWYANg&e=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem here is the restriction that we can't use Apache
>>>>>>> infrastructure to host any 3rd party binaries. The only thing what
>> we
>>>>>>> could potentially do is to publish module catalogs with references
>> to
>>>>>>> some other publicly accessible places.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any opinions on what is the right thing to do?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it would be a good idea to try to reach all contributers (I
>>>>>> assume a mail address is present) and get them to the new (still to
>> be
>>>>>> completed) plugin portal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would not host the plugins anywhere. If I remember correctly the
>>>>>> plugin portal was a wild mix of licenses and so from my perspective
>>>>>> this is a dangerous endeavour. For example take a GPLed plugin, you'd
>>>>>> need the source code to redistribute it properly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is totally different, to the code donation from oracle. Even if
>> we
>>>>>> end up not integrating all donated code, it is still usable (i.e.
>> later
>>>>>> intergrated or used outside Apache NetBeans). The same does not hold
>>>>>> true for all plugins.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oracle could think about creating a static site, that way the plugins
>>>>>> would still be accessible, could be transfered to a passive file host
>>>>>> and be done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matthias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed plugins?
Posted by John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>.
I must say a big thanks to Emilian for hosting them. It is true that most
of then are not working with latest versions of NetBeans, but they are a
good source for those who wish to port them to the latest versions of
NetBeans. Otherwise all the work is lost.
How can one port their plugins to the new portal (
http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal)?
http://netbeans.apache.org/plugins/ still points to
http://plugins.netbeans.org/PluginPortal/. Is it on purpose or it should
point to http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/pluginportal?
Thanks,
John.
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 18:02, Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com> wrote:
> And here we go:
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Where+to+download+plugins+for+NetBeans+10.0+and+earlier
>
> -Jirka
>
> Dne 28. 11. 19 v 18:24 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a):
>
> > Excellent!
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 18:22, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I have downloaded that Plugin Portal data (which includes the NBMs and
> >> catalog.xml) and am serving all the files from another server. I seem
> >> to be able to register it in the IDE. Looking good.
> >>
> >> Once I get some confirmations I can make the URL public.
> >>
> >> --emi
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:12 PM Jiří Kovalský <
> jiri.kovalsky@oracle.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi again Emilian,
> >>>
> >>> this is to confirm that I have sent the download location with PP2
> >>> binaries snapshot to your GMail account.
> >>>
> >>> If you cannot find the e-mail, let me please know.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> -Jirka
> >>>
> >>> Dne 20. 11. 19 v 11:46 Jiří Kovalský napsal(a):
> >>>> Hi Emilian,
> >>>>
> >>>> I am working on that and will send you download coordinates in a
> >>>> private e-mail.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Jirka
> >>>>
> >>>> Dne 18. 11. 19 v 22:57 Emilian Bold napsal(a):
> >>>>> No, really, is there some way to get the whole of
> >> plugins.netbeans.org
> >>>>> at once? Or crawl it at a faster speed?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Seems to server is throttling me at 300KB which means the 20GB would
> >>>>> take me a week.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --emi
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:47 PM Christian Lenz
> >>>>> <ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ➢ I think it would be a good idea to try to reach all contributers
> (I
> >>>>>> ➢ assume a mail address is present) and get them to the new (still
> >> to be
> >>>>>> ➢ completed) plugin portal.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just to say smth about that. From round about 10 plugin author, that
> >>>>>> I tried to contact about aourcecode and other stuff, maybe half of
> it
> >>>>>> answered me. I don’t know it exactly, but this is not that possible,
> >>>>>> that everyone will response or can, because of no access to the mail
> >>>>>> address anymore or discontinueing work or whatever reason. Just to
> >>>>>> let you know, I tried it several times.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Von: Matthias Bläsing
> >>>>>> Gesendet: Montag, 18. November 2019 18:40
> >>>>>> An: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> >>>>>> Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] What to do with old community contributed
> >>>>>> plugins?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Am Dienstag, den 12.11.2019, 13:51 +0100 schrieb Jiří Kovalský:
> >>>>>>> we are preparing decommission of the old Plugin Portal 2.0
> [1]
> >>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>> is hosted on Oracle infrastructure. Before we turn off the switch
> we
> >>>>>>> need to decide what we want to do with the plugins contributed by
> >> all
> >>>>>>> the kind NetBeans community members over the years totaling ~20 GB.
> >> I
> >>>>>>> believe that we don't want to just delete these NBM files.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>
> >>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__plugins.netbeans.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=O2Fja6PhovWdi4X_mm2m8U9TYkedKKkllioZe0m_UKk&s=wJ7h5_LWddf9J3WgVdlF3XfjYcV1s0wONqa5fLWYANg&e=
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The problem here is the restriction that we can't use Apache
> >>>>>>> infrastructure to host any 3rd party binaries. The only thing what
> >> we
> >>>>>>> could potentially do is to publish module catalogs with references
> >> to
> >>>>>>> some other publicly accessible places.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Any opinions on what is the right thing to do?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think it would be a good idea to try to reach all contributers (I
> >>>>>> assume a mail address is present) and get them to the new (still to
> >> be
> >>>>>> completed) plugin portal.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I would not host the plugins anywhere. If I remember correctly the
> >>>>>> plugin portal was a wild mix of licenses and so from my perspective
> >>>>>> this is a dangerous endeavour. For example take a GPLed plugin,
> you'd
> >>>>>> need the source code to redistribute it properly.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This is totally different, to the code donation from oracle. Even if
> >> we
> >>>>>> end up not integrating all donated code, it is still usable (i.e.
> >> later
> >>>>>> intergrated or used outside Apache NetBeans). The same does not hold
> >>>>>> true for all plugins.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Oracle could think about creating a static site, that way the
> plugins
> >>>>>> would still be accessible, could be transfered to a passive file
> host
> >>>>>> and be done.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Greetings
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Matthias
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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