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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Flavio Junqueira <fp...@apache.org> on 2017/06/28 16:27:09 UTC
Copying private and public lists on VOTE thread (was: Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache DistributedLog as a subproject of Apache BookKeeper)
> On 28 Jun 2017, at 17:25, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I have no idea why this is copying both public and private lists.
>
I wanted to make sure that everyone on those lists saw the thread as the people on those lists participated in the vote process. Perhaps I should have added them bcc instead.
Thanks for voting.
-Flavio
> I'm +1 to graduate.
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:06 AM Flavio Junqueira <fp...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> The Apache DistributedLog community has voted to graduate the project and
>> make it a subproject of Apache BookKeeper. The Apache BookKeeper PMC has
>> also voted to accept DistributedLog as a subproject. The links to the vote
>> threads are the following:
>>
>> DistributedLog PPMC vote:
>>
>> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/distributedlog-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDyY3nzjtb934g-ArYUjswzJeTkTpuPf_La0jkHf263FBxQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
>> <
>> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/distributedlog-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDyY3nzjtb934g-ArYUjswzJeTkTpuPf_La0jkHf263FBxQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
>>>
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>> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/distributedlog-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDybfqt72xGtrvR-9eUYycHJvpCo5=ts87rZhpsm096rrGA@mail.gmail.com%3e
>> <
>> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/distributedlog-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDybfqt72xGtrvR-9eUYycHJvpCo5=ts87rZhpsm096rrGA@mail.gmail.com%3e
>>>
>>
>> DistributedLog Community vote:
>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-distributedlog-dev/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDyZzinfGhjXqmVEHxDaULKwDT9V2nKQeYUzXE0i4tZgOPg@mail.gmail.com%3e
>> <
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-distributedlog-dev/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDyZzinfGhjXqmVEHxDaULKwDT9V2nKQeYUzXE0i4tZgOPg@mail.gmail.com%3e
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>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-distributedlog-dev/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDya-=0cBfUM0SsL5kuf9HJ1G=pL7Z_=7Ps+TQgqwJs=CaA@mail.gmail.com%3e
>> <
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-distributedlog-dev/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDya-=0cBfUM0SsL5kuf9HJ1G=pL7Z_=7Ps+TQgqwJs=CaA@mail.gmail.com%3e
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>> BookKeeper PMC vote:
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>> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/bookkeeper-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDyacdXuXh==iw1OqrRiuGoxHprP_HtnOFojOT5RXMv6rEQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
>> <
>> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/bookkeeper-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDyacdXuXh==iw1OqrRiuGoxHprP_HtnOFojOT5RXMv6rEQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
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>> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/bookkeeper-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDyYzV_7vVNg6Efyp3TPjddoYRyQx4rXvqP=W=c09qK2FZQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
>> <
>> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/bookkeeper-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDyYzV_7vVNg6Efyp3TPjddoYRyQx4rXvqP=W=c09qK2FZQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
>>>
>>
>> This message is to start an IPMC vote. Please vote on the following:
>>
>> [ ] +1 Graduate Apache DistributedLog from the Incubator.
>> [ ] +0 No opinion
>> [ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache DistributedLog from the Incubator (please
>> provide
>> the reason)
>>
>> This VOTE will be opened for the next 72 hours.
>>
>> -Flavio
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Re: Copying private and public lists on VOTE thread (was: Re: [VOTE]
Graduate Apache DistributedLog as a subproject of Apache BookKeeper)
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 4:50 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <
bdelacretaz@codeconsult.ch> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:56 PM, Flavio Junqueira <fp...@apache.org> wrote:
> > ...1- We suggest to only send to general, and not copy anyone else, or
> at least not copy any private list...
>
> That's my favorite way by far, send the actual message to a single
> list and if needed send *pointers* to that message to other lists.
>
> Like "FYI, a VOTE about xyz is going on on dev@foobarinator.apache.org".
>
Yep, and that matches what is stated on the incubator [1] guide.
[1]: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution
>
> -Bertrand
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Re: Copying private and public lists on VOTE thread (was: Re: [VOTE]
Graduate Apache DistributedLog as a subproject of Apache BookKeeper)
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@codeconsult.ch>.
Hi,
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:56 PM, Flavio Junqueira <fp...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...1- We suggest to only send to general, and not copy anyone else, or at least not copy any private list...
That's my favorite way by far, send the actual message to a single
list and if needed send *pointers* to that message to other lists.
Like "FYI, a VOTE about xyz is going on on dev@foobarinator.apache.org".
-Bertrand
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Re: Copying private and public lists on VOTE thread (was: Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache DistributedLog as a subproject of Apache BookKeeper)
Posted by Flavio Junqueira <fp...@apache.org>.
Ok, I see the concern. My thinking was that this is a vote on a public list according to the instructions here:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#subproject <http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#subproject>
and there is no content coming from a private list in the message other than the vote links which are password protected, but granted that if anyone responds inadvertently, then this person could be violating the direction you referenced.
For future messages, I'm wondering what the guidelines should be, a couple of options being that:
1- We suggest to only send to general, and not copy anyone else, or at least not copy any private list
2- We suggest that any list or person copied should be in bcc.
Are any of these options suitable or is there a better option?
-Flavio
> On 28 Jun 2017, at 18:36, John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:27 PM Flavio Junqueira <fpj@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>
>>
>>> On 28 Jun 2017, at 17:25, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have no idea why this is copying both public and private lists.
>>>
>>
>> I wanted to make sure that everyone on those lists saw the thread as the
>> people on those lists participated in the vote process. Perhaps I should
>> have added them bcc instead.
>>
>
>
> My concern is from this page:
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html <https://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html>
>
> Specifically: "Be sure not to take emails from private discussions or
> mailing lists into a public forum"
>
>
>>
>> Thanks for voting.
>>
>> -Flavio
>>
>>> I'm +1 to graduate.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:06 AM Flavio Junqueira <fp...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Apache DistributedLog community has voted to graduate the project
>> and
>>>> make it a subproject of Apache BookKeeper. The Apache BookKeeper PMC has
>>>> also voted to accept DistributedLog as a subproject. The links to the
>> vote
>>>> threads are the following:
>>>>
>>>> DistributedLog PPMC vote:
>>>>
>>>>
>> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/distributedlog-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDyY3nzjtb934g-ArYUjswzJeTkTpuPf_La0jkHf263FBxQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
>>>> <
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>> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/distributedlog-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDyY3nzjtb934g-ArYUjswzJeTkTpuPf_La0jkHf263FBxQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
>>>>>
>>>>
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>> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/distributedlog-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDybfqt72xGtrvR-9eUYycHJvpCo5=ts87rZhpsm096rrGA@mail.gmail.com%3e
>>>> <
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>> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/distributedlog-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDybfqt72xGtrvR-9eUYycHJvpCo5=ts87rZhpsm096rrGA@mail.gmail.com%3e
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DistributedLog Community vote:
>>>>
>>>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-distributedlog-dev/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDyZzinfGhjXqmVEHxDaULKwDT9V2nKQeYUzXE0i4tZgOPg@mail.gmail.com%3e
>>>> <
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>>>>>
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>>>> <
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BookKeeper PMC vote:
>>>>
>>>>
>> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/bookkeeper-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDyacdXuXh==iw1OqrRiuGoxHprP_HtnOFojOT5RXMv6rEQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
>>>> <
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>> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/bookkeeper-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDyacdXuXh==iw1OqrRiuGoxHprP_HtnOFojOT5RXMv6rEQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
>>>>>
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>> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/bookkeeper-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDyYzV_7vVNg6Efyp3TPjddoYRyQx4rXvqP=W=c09qK2FZQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
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>> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/bookkeeper-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDyYzV_7vVNg6Efyp3TPjddoYRyQx4rXvqP=W=c09qK2FZQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This message is to start an IPMC vote. Please vote on the following:
>>>>
>>>> [ ] +1 Graduate Apache DistributedLog from the Incubator.
>>>> [ ] +0 No opinion
>>>> [ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache DistributedLog from the Incubator (please
>>>> provide
>>>> the reason)
>>>>
>>>> This VOTE will be opened for the next 72 hours.
>>>>
>>>> -Flavio
>>
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Re: Copying private and public lists on VOTE thread (was: Re: [VOTE]
Graduate Apache DistributedLog as a subproject of Apache BookKeeper)
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:27 PM Flavio Junqueira <fp...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > On 28 Jun 2017, at 17:25, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > I have no idea why this is copying both public and private lists.
> >
>
> I wanted to make sure that everyone on those lists saw the thread as the
> people on those lists participated in the vote process. Perhaps I should
> have added them bcc instead.
>
My concern is from this page:
https://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html
Specifically: "Be sure not to take emails from private discussions or
mailing lists into a public forum"
>
> Thanks for voting.
>
> -Flavio
>
> > I'm +1 to graduate.
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:06 AM Flavio Junqueira <fp...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> The Apache DistributedLog community has voted to graduate the project
> and
> >> make it a subproject of Apache BookKeeper. The Apache BookKeeper PMC has
> >> also voted to accept DistributedLog as a subproject. The links to the
> vote
> >> threads are the following:
> >>
> >> DistributedLog PPMC vote:
> >>
> >>
> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/distributedlog-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDyY3nzjtb934g-ArYUjswzJeTkTpuPf_La0jkHf263FBxQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
> >> <
> >>
> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/distributedlog-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDyY3nzjtb934g-ArYUjswzJeTkTpuPf_La0jkHf263FBxQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/distributedlog-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDybfqt72xGtrvR-9eUYycHJvpCo5=ts87rZhpsm096rrGA@mail.gmail.com%3e
> >> <
> >>
> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/distributedlog-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDybfqt72xGtrvR-9eUYycHJvpCo5=ts87rZhpsm096rrGA@mail.gmail.com%3e
> >>>
> >>
> >> DistributedLog Community vote:
> >>
> >>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-distributedlog-dev/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDyZzinfGhjXqmVEHxDaULKwDT9V2nKQeYUzXE0i4tZgOPg@mail.gmail.com%3e
> >> <
> >>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-distributedlog-dev/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDyZzinfGhjXqmVEHxDaULKwDT9V2nKQeYUzXE0i4tZgOPg@mail.gmail.com%3e
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-distributedlog-dev/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDya-=0cBfUM0SsL5kuf9HJ1G=pL7Z_=7Ps+TQgqwJs=CaA@mail.gmail.com%3e
> >> <
> >>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-distributedlog-dev/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDya-=0cBfUM0SsL5kuf9HJ1G=pL7Z_=7Ps+TQgqwJs=CaA@mail.gmail.com%3e
> >>>
> >>
> >> BookKeeper PMC vote:
> >>
> >>
> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/bookkeeper-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDyacdXuXh==iw1OqrRiuGoxHprP_HtnOFojOT5RXMv6rEQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
> >> <
> >>
> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/bookkeeper-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDyacdXuXh==iw1OqrRiuGoxHprP_HtnOFojOT5RXMv6rEQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/bookkeeper-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDyYzV_7vVNg6Efyp3TPjddoYRyQx4rXvqP=W=c09qK2FZQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
> >> <
> >>
> https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/bookkeeper-private/201706.mbox/%3cCAO2yDyYzV_7vVNg6Efyp3TPjddoYRyQx4rXvqP=W=c09qK2FZQ@mail.gmail.com%3e
> >>>
> >>
> >> This message is to start an IPMC vote. Please vote on the following:
> >>
> >> [ ] +1 Graduate Apache DistributedLog from the Incubator.
> >> [ ] +0 No opinion
> >> [ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache DistributedLog from the Incubator (please
> >> provide
> >> the reason)
> >>
> >> This VOTE will be opened for the next 72 hours.
> >>
> >> -Flavio
>
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