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Posted to user@pivot.apache.org by Dominique de Vito <dd...@yahoo.fr> on 2010/05/16 10:55:30 UTC

basic questions about common table renderers

Hi,
 
I am fed up of Twitter web interface, then I currently look at Pivot in order to develop my own Twitter RIA client.
 
My first idea was about to include tweets into a table.
 
I wanted to include a PushButton into a cell, and then, I was looking around to know how to render such a button (into a cell) like a button !
 
I expected to discover a renderer into Pivot distribution in order to render common components like PushButton, or Label. AFAIK, there is none.
And I have not discovered a (simple) way to render such a button as a cell's content.
 
I hope not to ask dumb questions here...
Is there already defined renderers for common components, like button, into tables ?
If yes or no, it could be worth to add few notes into http://pivot.apache.org/tutorials/ page in order to talk about cell renderers too, existing ones, or to include a link to a page detailling how to define custom renderer (like the case I mentionned above).
 
Thanks.
 
Regards,
Dominique
http://jroller.com/dmdevito/


      


Re: Re : Re : about label multiline wrapping - Re : basic questions about common table renderers

Posted by Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>.
Agreed. However, the rich text features of TextArea are deprecated and will be removed in Pivot 1.5.1. See the comments on PIVOT-31 and PIVOT-457 for more info.

On May 17, 2010, at 3:35 PM, Dominique de Vito wrote:

> Isn't the component needed close to a TextArea component ?
> AFAIK, a TextArea component provides text wrapping.
> 
> IMHO, the expected targeted component looks like closer to a rich TextArea component (like https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PIVOT-31 ), than a complete HTML browser. That's a "rich" TextArea component being able to include both texts and other components, like buttons.
> 
> My 2 cents.
> 
> Dominique
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> ----- Message d'origine ----
> De : Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>
> À : user@pivot.apache.org
> Envoyé le : Lun 17 mai 2010, 20h 19min 20s
> Objet : Re: Re : about label multiline wrapping - Re : basic questions about common table renderers
> 
> There is currently no way to emulate this type of layout in Pivot. It would require a component capable of laying out both text and sub-components (like an HTML browser), which is a pretty significant undertaking. It may be possible to accomplish this via the HTML provider API we have been discussing recently, but I haven't looked closely enough at Flying Saucer, etc. to know for sure yet.
> Greg
> 
> On May 17, 2010, at 9:25 AM, Dominique de Vito wrote:
> 
>> Is there a way in Pivot to mimic the HTML wrapping style ?
>> Is there a way to do it through a given XXXPane ?
>> 
>> Or is it possible to imagine:
>> <Label text="blah blah blah" wrappingSeparator=" "/>
>> or with good default settings 
>> <Label text="blah blah blah"/>
>> ?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Message d'origine ----
>> De : Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>
>> À : user@pivot.apache.org
>> Envoyé le : Lun 17 mai 2010, 15h 07min 44s
>> Objet : Re: about label multiline wrapping - Re : basic questions about common table renderers
>> 
>> Good question. No, labels within flow panes don't wrap. FlowPane wouldn't know where or how to break the label's text - it lays out components based on their unconstrained preferred sizes. For a Label, this is the size of the unwrapped text.
>> 
>> However, you could accomplish this by setting an explicit preferred width on your Label. That will force the label to break at that width:
>> 
>> <Label text="blah" preferredWidth="200"/>
>> 
>> On May 17, 2010, at 5:37 AM, Dominique de Vito wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> First, thanks Greg about the hint to replace "TableView" with "TablePane".
>>> 
>>> One more question.
>>> It's said into the doc: "Flow panes arrange components in a horizontal line, wrapping when the contents don't fit on a single line."
>>> But, when I put, first, buttons into my flow pane, and next, a long label, this label is NOT wrapped into multilines (as I need), and then, only the first characters of this label appear (the characters that fit the width of my flow pane).
>>> Note that I want to add, after this label, a few more buttons. So, in a perfect world, this label ends into the 2nd line, I expect following buttons to be added just after into the 2nd line too.
>>> 
>>> Is there a way to wrap a label content (into a flow pane) within multilines ?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Dominique
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Message d'origine ----
>>> De : Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>
>>> À : user@pivot.apache.org
>>> Envoyé le : Dim 16 mai 2010, 14h 27min 38s
>>> Objet : Re: basic questions about common table renderers
>>> 
>>> I assume that the button needs to be interactive (i.e. pushing it will trigger an action)? If so, you probably want to use TablePane rather than TableView. Cell renderers don't support any kind of user interaction - they are simply used to "rubber stamp" content into a table view. In other words, they are used for presentation, not interaction. TablePane is for laying out components, such as buttons, and functions more like an HTML table.
>>> 
>>> On May 16, 2010, at 4:55 AM, Dominique de Vito wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I am fed up of Twitter web interface, then I currently look at Pivot in order to develop my own Twitter RIA client.
>>>> 
>>>> My first idea was about to include tweets into a table.
>>>> 
>>>> I wanted to include a PushButton into a cell, and then, I was looking around to know how to render such a button (into a cell) like a button !
>>>> 
>>>> I expected to discover a renderer into Pivot distribution in order to render common components like PushButton, or Label. AFAIK, there is none.
>>>> And I have not discovered a (simple) way to render such a button as a cell's content.
>>>> 
>>>> I hope not to ask dumb questions here...
>>>> Is there already defined renderers for common components, like button, into tables ?
>>>> If yes or no, it could be worth to add few notes into http://pivot.apache.org/tutorials/ page in order to talk about cell renderers too, existing ones, or to include a link to a page detailling how to define custom renderer (like the case I mentionned above).
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dominique
>>>> http://jroller.com/dmdevito/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


Re : Re : about label multiline wrapping - Re : basic questions about common table renderers

Posted by Dominique de Vito <dd...@yahoo.fr>.
Isn't the component needed close to a TextArea component ?
AFAIK, a TextArea component provides text wrapping.

IMHO, the expected targeted component looks like closer to a rich TextArea component (like https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PIVOT-31 ), than a complete HTML browser. That's a "rich" TextArea component being able to include both texts and other components, like buttons.

My 2 cents.

Dominique


 


----- Message d'origine ----
De : Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>
À : user@pivot.apache.org
Envoyé le : Lun 17 mai 2010, 20h 19min 20s
Objet : Re: Re : about label multiline wrapping - Re : basic questions about common table renderers

There is currently no way to emulate this type of layout in Pivot. It would require a component capable of laying out both text and sub-components (like an HTML browser), which is a pretty significant undertaking. It may be possible to accomplish this via the HTML provider API we have been discussing recently, but I haven't looked closely enough at Flying Saucer, etc. to know for sure yet.
Greg

On May 17, 2010, at 9:25 AM, Dominique de Vito wrote:

> Is there a way in Pivot to mimic the HTML wrapping style ?
> Is there a way to do it through a given XXXPane ?
> 
> Or is it possible to imagine:
> <Label text="blah blah blah" wrappingSeparator=" "/>
> or with good default settings 
> <Label text="blah blah blah"/>
> ?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Message d'origine ----
> De : Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>
> À : user@pivot.apache.org
> Envoyé le : Lun 17 mai 2010, 15h 07min 44s
> Objet : Re: about label multiline wrapping - Re : basic questions about common table renderers
> 
> Good question. No, labels within flow panes don't wrap. FlowPane wouldn't know where or how to break the label's text - it lays out components based on their unconstrained preferred sizes. For a Label, this is the size of the unwrapped text.
> 
> However, you could accomplish this by setting an explicit preferred width on your Label. That will force the label to break at that width:
> 
> <Label text="blah" preferredWidth="200"/>
> 
> On May 17, 2010, at 5:37 AM, Dominique de Vito wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> First, thanks Greg about the hint to replace "TableView" with "TablePane".
>> 
>> One more question.
>> It's said into the doc: "Flow panes arrange components in a horizontal line, wrapping when the contents don't fit on a single line."
>> But, when I put, first, buttons into my flow pane, and next, a long label, this label is NOT wrapped into multilines (as I need), and then, only the first characters of this label appear (the characters that fit the width of my flow pane).
>> Note that I want to add, after this label, a few more buttons. So, in a perfect world, this label ends into the 2nd line, I expect following buttons to be added just after into the 2nd line too.
>> 
>> Is there a way to wrap a label content (into a flow pane) within multilines ?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Dominique
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Message d'origine ----
>> De : Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>
>> À : user@pivot.apache.org
>> Envoyé le : Dim 16 mai 2010, 14h 27min 38s
>> Objet : Re: basic questions about common table renderers
>> 
>> I assume that the button needs to be interactive (i.e. pushing it will trigger an action)? If so, you probably want to use TablePane rather than TableView. Cell renderers don't support any kind of user interaction - they are simply used to "rubber stamp" content into a table view. In other words, they are used for presentation, not interaction. TablePane is for laying out components, such as buttons, and functions more like an HTML table.
>> 
>> On May 16, 2010, at 4:55 AM, Dominique de Vito wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I am fed up of Twitter web interface, then I currently look at Pivot in order to develop my own Twitter RIA client.
>>> 
>>> My first idea was about to include tweets into a table.
>>> 
>>> I wanted to include a PushButton into a cell, and then, I was looking around to know how to render such a button (into a cell) like a button !
>>> 
>>> I expected to discover a renderer into Pivot distribution in order to render common components like PushButton, or Label. AFAIK, there is none.
>>> And I have not discovered a (simple) way to render such a button as a cell's content.
>>> 
>>> I hope not to ask dumb questions here...
>>> Is there already defined renderers for common components, like button, into tables ?
>>> If yes or no, it could be worth to add few notes into http://pivot.apache.org/tutorials/ page in order to talk about cell renderers too, existing ones, or to include a link to a page detailling how to define custom renderer (like the case I mentionned above).
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Dominique
>>> http://jroller.com/dmdevito/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


      


Re: Re : about label multiline wrapping - Re : basic questions about common table renderers

Posted by Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>.
There is currently no way to emulate this type of layout in Pivot. It would require a component capable of laying out both text and sub-components (like an HTML browser), which is a pretty significant undertaking. It may be possible to accomplish this via the HTML provider API we have been discussing recently, but I haven't looked closely enough at Flying Saucer, etc. to know for sure yet.
Greg

On May 17, 2010, at 9:25 AM, Dominique de Vito wrote:

> Is there a way in Pivot to mimic the HTML wrapping style ?
> Is there a way to do it through a given XXXPane ?
> 
> Or is it possible to imagine:
> <Label text="blah blah blah" wrappingSeparator=" "/>
> or with good default settings 
> <Label text="blah blah blah"/>
> ?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Message d'origine ----
> De : Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>
> À : user@pivot.apache.org
> Envoyé le : Lun 17 mai 2010, 15h 07min 44s
> Objet : Re: about label multiline wrapping - Re : basic questions about common table renderers
> 
> Good question. No, labels within flow panes don't wrap. FlowPane wouldn't know where or how to break the label's text - it lays out components based on their unconstrained preferred sizes. For a Label, this is the size of the unwrapped text.
> 
> However, you could accomplish this by setting an explicit preferred width on your Label. That will force the label to break at that width:
> 
> <Label text="blah" preferredWidth="200"/>
> 
> On May 17, 2010, at 5:37 AM, Dominique de Vito wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> First, thanks Greg about the hint to replace "TableView" with "TablePane".
>> 
>> One more question.
>> It's said into the doc: "Flow panes arrange components in a horizontal line, wrapping when the contents don't fit on a single line."
>> But, when I put, first, buttons into my flow pane, and next, a long label, this label is NOT wrapped into multilines (as I need), and then, only the first characters of this label appear (the characters that fit the width of my flow pane).
>> Note that I want to add, after this label, a few more buttons. So, in a perfect world, this label ends into the 2nd line, I expect following buttons to be added just after into the 2nd line too.
>> 
>> Is there a way to wrap a label content (into a flow pane) within multilines ?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Dominique
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Message d'origine ----
>> De : Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>
>> À : user@pivot.apache.org
>> Envoyé le : Dim 16 mai 2010, 14h 27min 38s
>> Objet : Re: basic questions about common table renderers
>> 
>> I assume that the button needs to be interactive (i.e. pushing it will trigger an action)? If so, you probably want to use TablePane rather than TableView. Cell renderers don't support any kind of user interaction - they are simply used to "rubber stamp" content into a table view. In other words, they are used for presentation, not interaction. TablePane is for laying out components, such as buttons, and functions more like an HTML table.
>> 
>> On May 16, 2010, at 4:55 AM, Dominique de Vito wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I am fed up of Twitter web interface, then I currently look at Pivot in order to develop my own Twitter RIA client.
>>> 
>>> My first idea was about to include tweets into a table.
>>> 
>>> I wanted to include a PushButton into a cell, and then, I was looking around to know how to render such a button (into a cell) like a button !
>>> 
>>> I expected to discover a renderer into Pivot distribution in order to render common components like PushButton, or Label. AFAIK, there is none.
>>> And I have not discovered a (simple) way to render such a button as a cell's content.
>>> 
>>> I hope not to ask dumb questions here...
>>> Is there already defined renderers for common components, like button, into tables ?
>>> If yes or no, it could be worth to add few notes into http://pivot.apache.org/tutorials/ page in order to talk about cell renderers too, existing ones, or to include a link to a page detailling how to define custom renderer (like the case I mentionned above).
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Dominique
>>> http://jroller.com/dmdevito/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


Re : about label multiline wrapping - Re : basic questions about common table renderers

Posted by Dominique de Vito <dd...@yahoo.fr>.
Is there a way in Pivot to mimic the HTML wrapping style ?
Is there a way to do it through a given XXXPane ?

Or is it possible to imagine:
<Label text="blah blah blah" wrappingSeparator=" "/>
or with good default settings 
<Label text="blah blah blah"/>
?

Thanks



----- Message d'origine ----
De : Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>
À : user@pivot.apache.org
Envoyé le : Lun 17 mai 2010, 15h 07min 44s
Objet : Re: about label multiline wrapping - Re : basic questions about common table renderers

Good question. No, labels within flow panes don't wrap. FlowPane wouldn't know where or how to break the label's text - it lays out components based on their unconstrained preferred sizes. For a Label, this is the size of the unwrapped text.

However, you could accomplish this by setting an explicit preferred width on your Label. That will force the label to break at that width:

<Label text="blah" preferredWidth="200"/>

On May 17, 2010, at 5:37 AM, Dominique de Vito wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> First, thanks Greg about the hint to replace "TableView" with "TablePane".
> 
> One more question.
> It's said into the doc: "Flow panes arrange components in a horizontal line, wrapping when the contents don't fit on a single line."
> But, when I put, first, buttons into my flow pane, and next, a long label, this label is NOT wrapped into multilines (as I need), and then, only the first characters of this label appear (the characters that fit the width of my flow pane).
> Note that I want to add, after this label, a few more buttons. So, in a perfect world, this label ends into the 2nd line, I expect following buttons to be added just after into the 2nd line too.
> 
> Is there a way to wrap a label content (into a flow pane) within multilines ?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Dominique
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Message d'origine ----
> De : Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>
> À : user@pivot.apache.org
> Envoyé le : Dim 16 mai 2010, 14h 27min 38s
> Objet : Re: basic questions about common table renderers
> 
> I assume that the button needs to be interactive (i.e. pushing it will trigger an action)? If so, you probably want to use TablePane rather than TableView. Cell renderers don't support any kind of user interaction - they are simply used to "rubber stamp" content into a table view. In other words, they are used for presentation, not interaction. TablePane is for laying out components, such as buttons, and functions more like an HTML table.
> 
> On May 16, 2010, at 4:55 AM, Dominique de Vito wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am fed up of Twitter web interface, then I currently look at Pivot in order to develop my own Twitter RIA client.
>> 
>> My first idea was about to include tweets into a table.
>> 
>> I wanted to include a PushButton into a cell, and then, I was looking around to know how to render such a button (into a cell) like a button !
>> 
>> I expected to discover a renderer into Pivot distribution in order to render common components like PushButton, or Label. AFAIK, there is none.
>> And I have not discovered a (simple) way to render such a button as a cell's content.
>> 
>> I hope not to ask dumb questions here...
>> Is there already defined renderers for common components, like button, into tables ?
>> If yes or no, it could be worth to add few notes into http://pivot.apache.org/tutorials/ page in order to talk about cell renderers too, existing ones, or to include a link to a page detailling how to define custom renderer (like the case I mentionned above).
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dominique
>> http://jroller.com/dmdevito/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


      


Re: about label multiline wrapping - Re : basic questions about common table renderers

Posted by Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>.
Good question. No, labels within flow panes don't wrap. FlowPane wouldn't know where or how to break the label's text - it lays out components based on their unconstrained preferred sizes. For a Label, this is the size of the unwrapped text.

However, you could accomplish this by setting an explicit preferred width on your Label. That will force the label to break at that width:

<Label text="blah" preferredWidth="200"/>

On May 17, 2010, at 5:37 AM, Dominique de Vito wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> First, thanks Greg about the hint to replace "TableView" with "TablePane".
> 
> One more question.
> It's said into the doc: "Flow panes arrange components in a horizontal line, wrapping when the contents don't fit on a single line."
> But, when I put, first, buttons into my flow pane, and next, a long label, this label is NOT wrapped into multilines (as I need), and then, only the first characters of this label appear (the characters that fit the width of my flow pane).
> Note that I want to add, after this label, a few more buttons. So, in a perfect world, this label ends into the 2nd line, I expect following buttons to be added just after into the 2nd line too.
> 
> Is there a way to wrap a label content (into a flow pane) within multilines ?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Dominique
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Message d'origine ----
> De : Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>
> À : user@pivot.apache.org
> Envoyé le : Dim 16 mai 2010, 14h 27min 38s
> Objet : Re: basic questions about common table renderers
> 
> I assume that the button needs to be interactive (i.e. pushing it will trigger an action)? If so, you probably want to use TablePane rather than TableView. Cell renderers don't support any kind of user interaction - they are simply used to "rubber stamp" content into a table view. In other words, they are used for presentation, not interaction. TablePane is for laying out components, such as buttons, and functions more like an HTML table.
> 
> On May 16, 2010, at 4:55 AM, Dominique de Vito wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am fed up of Twitter web interface, then I currently look at Pivot in order to develop my own Twitter RIA client.
>> 
>> My first idea was about to include tweets into a table.
>> 
>> I wanted to include a PushButton into a cell, and then, I was looking around to know how to render such a button (into a cell) like a button !
>> 
>> I expected to discover a renderer into Pivot distribution in order to render common components like PushButton, or Label. AFAIK, there is none.
>> And I have not discovered a (simple) way to render such a button as a cell's content.
>> 
>> I hope not to ask dumb questions here...
>> Is there already defined renderers for common components, like button, into tables ?
>> If yes or no, it could be worth to add few notes into http://pivot.apache.org/tutorials/ page in order to talk about cell renderers too, existing ones, or to include a link to a page detailling how to define custom renderer (like the case I mentionned above).
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dominique
>> http://jroller.com/dmdevito/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


about label multiline wrapping - Re : basic questions about common table renderers

Posted by Dominique de Vito <dd...@yahoo.fr>.
Hi,

First, thanks Greg about the hint to replace "TableView" with "TablePane".

One more question.
It's said into the doc: "Flow panes arrange components in a horizontal line, wrapping when the contents don't fit on a single line."
But, when I put, first, buttons into my flow pane, and next, a long label, this label is NOT wrapped into multilines (as I need), and then, only the first characters of this label appear (the characters that fit the width of my flow pane).
Note that I want to add, after this label, a few more buttons. So, in a perfect world, this label ends into the 2nd line, I expect following buttons to be added just after into the 2nd line too.

Is there a way to wrap a label content (into a flow pane) within multilines ?

Thanks.

Dominique




----- Message d'origine ----
De : Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>
À : user@pivot.apache.org
Envoyé le : Dim 16 mai 2010, 14h 27min 38s
Objet : Re: basic questions about common table renderers

I assume that the button needs to be interactive (i.e. pushing it will trigger an action)? If so, you probably want to use TablePane rather than TableView. Cell renderers don't support any kind of user interaction - they are simply used to "rubber stamp" content into a table view. In other words, they are used for presentation, not interaction. TablePane is for laying out components, such as buttons, and functions more like an HTML table.

On May 16, 2010, at 4:55 AM, Dominique de Vito wrote:

> Hi,
>  
> I am fed up of Twitter web interface, then I currently look at Pivot in order to develop my own Twitter RIA client.
>  
> My first idea was about to include tweets into a table.
>  
> I wanted to include a PushButton into a cell, and then, I was looking around to know how to render such a button (into a cell) like a button !
>  
> I expected to discover a renderer into Pivot distribution in order to render common components like PushButton, or Label. AFAIK, there is none.
> And I have not discovered a (simple) way to render such a button as a cell's content.
>  
> I hope not to ask dumb questions here...
> Is there already defined renderers for common components, like button, into tables ?
> If yes or no, it could be worth to add few notes into http://pivot.apache.org/tutorials/ page in order to talk about cell renderers too, existing ones, or to include a link to a page detailling how to define custom renderer (like the case I mentionned above).
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Regards,
> Dominique
> http://jroller.com/dmdevito/
> 
> 
> 
> 


      


Re: basic questions about common table renderers

Posted by Greg Brown <gk...@mac.com>.
I assume that the button needs to be interactive (i.e. pushing it will trigger an action)? If so, you probably want to use TablePane rather than TableView. Cell renderers don't support any kind of user interaction - they are simply used to "rubber stamp" content into a table view. In other words, they are used for presentation, not interaction. TablePane is for laying out components, such as buttons, and functions more like an HTML table.

On May 16, 2010, at 4:55 AM, Dominique de Vito wrote:

> Hi,
>  
> I am fed up of Twitter web interface, then I currently look at Pivot in order to develop my own Twitter RIA client.
>  
> My first idea was about to include tweets into a table.
>  
> I wanted to include a PushButton into a cell, and then, I was looking around to know how to render such a button (into a cell) like a button !
>  
> I expected to discover a renderer into Pivot distribution in order to render common components like PushButton, or Label. AFAIK, there is none.
> And I have not discovered a (simple) way to render such a button as a cell's content.
>  
> I hope not to ask dumb questions here...
> Is there already defined renderers for common components, like button, into tables ?
> If yes or no, it could be worth to add few notes into http://pivot.apache.org/tutorials/ page in order to talk about cell renderers too, existing ones, or to include a link to a page detailling how to define custom renderer (like the case I mentionned above).
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Regards,
> Dominique
> http://jroller.com/dmdevito/
> 
> 
> 
>