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Posted to dev@mina.apache.org by Trustin Lee <tr...@gmail.com> on 2007/11/06 05:34:41 UTC

[poll] New name for WrappingFilter

Hi folks,

WrappingFilter is a new utility abstract IoFilter for those who want
to filter all events in a single filter method:

http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/mina/trunk/core/src/main/java/org/apache/mina/filter/util/WrappingFilter.java?view=markup

One known usage is here:

http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/mina/trunk/core/src/main/java/org/apache/mina/filter/logging/MdcInjectionFilter.java?view=markup

However, WrappingFilter doesn't represent what it does exactly, so we
need a new name.  So far, the following names were suggested:

* GenericIoFilter
* SameActionForEveryIoEventTypeFilter
* CommonIoEventFilter
* SingletonActionIoFilter
* MuxingIoFilter - (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplexing)
* CrossCuttingIoFilter - (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-cutting_concern)

Please feel free to add your suggestion or to cast a vote.  I'd like
to see some consensus anyway.

Trustin
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what we call human nature is actually human habit
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Re: [poll] New name for WrappingFilter

Posted by Trustin Lee <tr...@gmail.com>.
I renamed to CommentEventFilter.  Looking at all utility filters in
org.apache.mina.filter.util, all of them dropped the 'Io' prefix.  So
did I.

I hope this doesn't dismay anyone. ;)

Cheers,
Trustin

On 11/8/07, Mark <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 CommonEventIoFilter
>
> On Nov 7, 2007 10:49 AM, Maarten Bosteels <mb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > yes, you're right. After hitting the send button, I was having second
> > thoughts.
> >
> > CommonEventIoFilter is fine for me, sorry for creating confusion :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 7, 2007 4:40 PM, Jeroen Brattinga <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In that case CommonEventIoFilter is a better option, IMO.
> > >
> > > (I don't get the 'combining' part in the EventCombiningIoFilter, since
> > > there really is no combine action involved).
> > >
> > >
> > > Jeroen Brattinga
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 10:18 +0100, Maarten Bosteels wrote:
> > > > yes, that's better than what we had until now
> > > > I change my vote :-)
> > > >
> > > > +1 EventCombiningIoFilter
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Maarten
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 7, 2007 10:11 AM, Eero Nevalainen <ee...@indagon.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I think it'd be nicer to have something that ends with IoFilter.
> > > > > So one more shot at naming the bugger:
> > > > >
> > > > > EventCombiningIoFilter
> > > > >
> > > > > -Eero
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Heath wrote:
> > > > > > +1 CommonIoEventFilter
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It seams like there may be a better name for this but
> > > > > > CommonIoEventFilter would be fine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maarten Bosteels wrote:
> > > > > >> It's hard to come up with a good name for this beast, I'd welcome
> > > all
> > > > > new
> > > > > >> suggestions :-)
> > > > > >> For now, this is my vote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> +1 CommonIoEventFilter
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Maarten
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On 11/6/07, Trustin Lee <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>> Hi folks,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> WrappingFilter is a new utility abstract IoFilter for those who
> > > want
> > > > > >>> to filter all events in a single filter method:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > >
> > > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/mina/trunk/core/src/main/java/org/apache/mina/filter/util/WrappingFilter.java?view=markup
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> One known usage is here:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > >
> > > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/mina/trunk/core/src/main/java/org/apache/mina/filter/logging/MdcInjectionFilter.java?view=markup
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> However, WrappingFilter doesn't represent what it does exactly, so
> > > we
> > > > > >>> need a new name.  So far, the following names were suggested:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> * GenericIoFilter
> > > > > >>> * SameActionForEveryIoEventTypeFilter
> > > > > >>> * CommonIoEventFilter
> > > > > >>> * SingletonActionIoFilter
> > > > > >>> * MuxingIoFilter - (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplexing)
> > > > > >>> * CrossCuttingIoFilter - (see
> > > > > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-cutting_concern)
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Please feel free to add your suggestion or to cast a vote.  I'd
> > > like
> > > > > >>> to see some consensus anyway.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Trustin
> > > > > >>> --
> > > > > >>> what we call human nature is actually human habit
> > > > > >>> --
> > > > > >>> http://gleamynode.net/
> > > > > >>> --
> > > > > >>> PGP Key ID: 0x0255ECA6
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> --------------------------------
> The adjuration to be "normal" seems shockingly repellent to me; I see
> neither hope nor comfort in sinking to that low level. I think it is
> ignorance that makes people think of abnormality only with horror and
> allows them to remain undismayed at the proximity of "normal" to
> average and mediocre. For surely anyone who achieves anything is,
> essentially, abnormal.
>      Dr. Karl Menninger
>


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Re: [poll] New name for WrappingFilter

Posted by Mark <el...@gmail.com>.
+1 CommonEventIoFilter

On Nov 7, 2007 10:49 AM, Maarten Bosteels <mb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> yes, you're right. After hitting the send button, I was having second
> thoughts.
>
> CommonEventIoFilter is fine for me, sorry for creating confusion :-)
>
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2007 4:40 PM, Jeroen Brattinga <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In that case CommonEventIoFilter is a better option, IMO.
> >
> > (I don't get the 'combining' part in the EventCombiningIoFilter, since
> > there really is no combine action involved).
> >
> >
> > Jeroen Brattinga
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 10:18 +0100, Maarten Bosteels wrote:
> > > yes, that's better than what we had until now
> > > I change my vote :-)
> > >
> > > +1 EventCombiningIoFilter
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Maarten
> > >
> > > On Nov 7, 2007 10:11 AM, Eero Nevalainen <ee...@indagon.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think it'd be nicer to have something that ends with IoFilter.
> > > > So one more shot at naming the bugger:
> > > >
> > > > EventCombiningIoFilter
> > > >
> > > > -Eero
> > > >
> > > > Mike Heath wrote:
> > > > > +1 CommonIoEventFilter
> > > > >
> > > > > It seams like there may be a better name for this but
> > > > > CommonIoEventFilter would be fine.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Maarten Bosteels wrote:
> > > > >> It's hard to come up with a good name for this beast, I'd welcome
> > all
> > > > new
> > > > >> suggestions :-)
> > > > >> For now, this is my vote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> +1 CommonIoEventFilter
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Maarten
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 11/6/07, Trustin Lee <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>> Hi folks,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> WrappingFilter is a new utility abstract IoFilter for those who
> > want
> > > > >>> to filter all events in a single filter method:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/mina/trunk/core/src/main/java/org/apache/mina/filter/util/WrappingFilter.java?view=markup
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> One known usage is here:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/mina/trunk/core/src/main/java/org/apache/mina/filter/logging/MdcInjectionFilter.java?view=markup
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> However, WrappingFilter doesn't represent what it does exactly, so
> > we
> > > > >>> need a new name.  So far, the following names were suggested:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> * GenericIoFilter
> > > > >>> * SameActionForEveryIoEventTypeFilter
> > > > >>> * CommonIoEventFilter
> > > > >>> * SingletonActionIoFilter
> > > > >>> * MuxingIoFilter - (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplexing)
> > > > >>> * CrossCuttingIoFilter - (see
> > > > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-cutting_concern)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Please feel free to add your suggestion or to cast a vote.  I'd
> > like
> > > > >>> to see some consensus anyway.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Trustin
> > > > >>> --
> > > > >>> what we call human nature is actually human habit
> > > > >>> --
> > > > >>> http://gleamynode.net/
> > > > >>> --
> > > > >>> PGP Key ID: 0x0255ECA6
> > > > >>>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
>



-- 
--------------------------------
The adjuration to be "normal" seems shockingly repellent to me; I see
neither hope nor comfort in sinking to that low level. I think it is
ignorance that makes people think of abnormality only with horror and
allows them to remain undismayed at the proximity of "normal" to
average and mediocre. For surely anyone who achieves anything is,
essentially, abnormal.
     Dr. Karl Menninger

Re: [poll] New name for WrappingFilter

Posted by Maarten Bosteels <mb...@gmail.com>.
yes, you're right. After hitting the send button, I was having second
thoughts.

CommonEventIoFilter is fine for me, sorry for creating confusion :-)


On Nov 7, 2007 4:40 PM, Jeroen Brattinga <je...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In that case CommonEventIoFilter is a better option, IMO.
>
> (I don't get the 'combining' part in the EventCombiningIoFilter, since
> there really is no combine action involved).
>
>
> Jeroen Brattinga
>
>
> On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 10:18 +0100, Maarten Bosteels wrote:
> > yes, that's better than what we had until now
> > I change my vote :-)
> >
> > +1 EventCombiningIoFilter
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Maarten
> >
> > On Nov 7, 2007 10:11 AM, Eero Nevalainen <ee...@indagon.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I think it'd be nicer to have something that ends with IoFilter.
> > > So one more shot at naming the bugger:
> > >
> > > EventCombiningIoFilter
> > >
> > > -Eero
> > >
> > > Mike Heath wrote:
> > > > +1 CommonIoEventFilter
> > > >
> > > > It seams like there may be a better name for this but
> > > > CommonIoEventFilter would be fine.
> > > >
> > > > -Mike
> > > >
> > > > Maarten Bosteels wrote:
> > > >> It's hard to come up with a good name for this beast, I'd welcome
> all
> > > new
> > > >> suggestions :-)
> > > >> For now, this is my vote:
> > > >>
> > > >> +1 CommonIoEventFilter
> > > >>
> > > >> Maarten
> > > >>
> > > >> On 11/6/07, Trustin Lee <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> Hi folks,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> WrappingFilter is a new utility abstract IoFilter for those who
> want
> > > >>> to filter all events in a single filter method:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > >
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/mina/trunk/core/src/main/java/org/apache/mina/filter/util/WrappingFilter.java?view=markup
> > > >>>
> > > >>> One known usage is here:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > >
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/mina/trunk/core/src/main/java/org/apache/mina/filter/logging/MdcInjectionFilter.java?view=markup
> > > >>>
> > > >>> However, WrappingFilter doesn't represent what it does exactly, so
> we
> > > >>> need a new name.  So far, the following names were suggested:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> * GenericIoFilter
> > > >>> * SameActionForEveryIoEventTypeFilter
> > > >>> * CommonIoEventFilter
> > > >>> * SingletonActionIoFilter
> > > >>> * MuxingIoFilter - (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplexing)
> > > >>> * CrossCuttingIoFilter - (see
> > > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-cutting_concern)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Please feel free to add your suggestion or to cast a vote.  I'd
> like
> > > >>> to see some consensus anyway.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Trustin
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> what we call human nature is actually human habit
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> http://gleamynode.net/
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> PGP Key ID: 0x0255ECA6
> > > >>>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
>
>

Re: [poll] New name for WrappingFilter

Posted by Ni...@scee.net.
Jeroen Brattinga <je...@gmail.com> wrote on 07/11/2007 
15:40:05:
> In that case CommonEventIoFilter is a better option, IMO.
> 
> (I don't get the 'combining' part in the EventCombiningIoFilter, since
> there really is no combine action involved).

Makes sense and seems clearer.  Gets my vote.

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Re: [poll] New name for WrappingFilter

Posted by Jeroen Brattinga <je...@gmail.com>.
In that case CommonEventIoFilter is a better option, IMO.

(I don't get the 'combining' part in the EventCombiningIoFilter, since
there really is no combine action involved).


Jeroen Brattinga


On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 10:18 +0100, Maarten Bosteels wrote:
> yes, that's better than what we had until now
> I change my vote :-)
> 
> +1 EventCombiningIoFilter
> 
> Thanks,
> Maarten
> 
> On Nov 7, 2007 10:11 AM, Eero Nevalainen <ee...@indagon.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > I think it'd be nicer to have something that ends with IoFilter.
> > So one more shot at naming the bugger:
> >
> > EventCombiningIoFilter
> >
> > -Eero
> >
> > Mike Heath wrote:
> > > +1 CommonIoEventFilter
> > >
> > > It seams like there may be a better name for this but
> > > CommonIoEventFilter would be fine.
> > >
> > > -Mike
> > >
> > > Maarten Bosteels wrote:
> > >> It's hard to come up with a good name for this beast, I'd welcome all
> > new
> > >> suggestions :-)
> > >> For now, this is my vote:
> > >>
> > >> +1 CommonIoEventFilter
> > >>
> > >> Maarten
> > >>
> > >> On 11/6/07, Trustin Lee <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> Hi folks,
> > >>>
> > >>> WrappingFilter is a new utility abstract IoFilter for those who want
> > >>> to filter all events in a single filter method:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/mina/trunk/core/src/main/java/org/apache/mina/filter/util/WrappingFilter.java?view=markup
> > >>>
> > >>> One known usage is here:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/mina/trunk/core/src/main/java/org/apache/mina/filter/logging/MdcInjectionFilter.java?view=markup
> > >>>
> > >>> However, WrappingFilter doesn't represent what it does exactly, so we
> > >>> need a new name.  So far, the following names were suggested:
> > >>>
> > >>> * GenericIoFilter
> > >>> * SameActionForEveryIoEventTypeFilter
> > >>> * CommonIoEventFilter
> > >>> * SingletonActionIoFilter
> > >>> * MuxingIoFilter - (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplexing)
> > >>> * CrossCuttingIoFilter - (see
> > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-cutting_concern)
> > >>>
> > >>> Please feel free to add your suggestion or to cast a vote.  I'd like
> > >>> to see some consensus anyway.
> > >>>
> > >>> Trustin
> > >>> --
> > >>> what we call human nature is actually human habit
> > >>> --
> > >>> http://gleamynode.net/
> > >>> --
> > >>> PGP Key ID: 0x0255ECA6
> > >>>
> > >
> >
> >


Re: [poll] New name for WrappingFilter

Posted by Maarten Bosteels <mb...@gmail.com>.
yes, that's better than what we had until now
I change my vote :-)

+1 EventCombiningIoFilter

Thanks,
Maarten

On Nov 7, 2007 10:11 AM, Eero Nevalainen <ee...@indagon.com>
wrote:

> I think it'd be nicer to have something that ends with IoFilter.
> So one more shot at naming the bugger:
>
> EventCombiningIoFilter
>
> -Eero
>
> Mike Heath wrote:
> > +1 CommonIoEventFilter
> >
> > It seams like there may be a better name for this but
> > CommonIoEventFilter would be fine.
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > Maarten Bosteels wrote:
> >> It's hard to come up with a good name for this beast, I'd welcome all
> new
> >> suggestions :-)
> >> For now, this is my vote:
> >>
> >> +1 CommonIoEventFilter
> >>
> >> Maarten
> >>
> >> On 11/6/07, Trustin Lee <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Hi folks,
> >>>
> >>> WrappingFilter is a new utility abstract IoFilter for those who want
> >>> to filter all events in a single filter method:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/mina/trunk/core/src/main/java/org/apache/mina/filter/util/WrappingFilter.java?view=markup
> >>>
> >>> One known usage is here:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/mina/trunk/core/src/main/java/org/apache/mina/filter/logging/MdcInjectionFilter.java?view=markup
> >>>
> >>> However, WrappingFilter doesn't represent what it does exactly, so we
> >>> need a new name.  So far, the following names were suggested:
> >>>
> >>> * GenericIoFilter
> >>> * SameActionForEveryIoEventTypeFilter
> >>> * CommonIoEventFilter
> >>> * SingletonActionIoFilter
> >>> * MuxingIoFilter - (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplexing)
> >>> * CrossCuttingIoFilter - (see
> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-cutting_concern)
> >>>
> >>> Please feel free to add your suggestion or to cast a vote.  I'd like
> >>> to see some consensus anyway.
> >>>
> >>> Trustin
> >>> --
> >>> what we call human nature is actually human habit
> >>> --
> >>> http://gleamynode.net/
> >>> --
> >>> PGP Key ID: 0x0255ECA6
> >>>
> >
>
>

Re: [poll] New name for WrappingFilter

Posted by Eero Nevalainen <ee...@indagon.com>.
I think it'd be nicer to have something that ends with IoFilter.
So one more shot at naming the bugger:

EventCombiningIoFilter

-Eero

Mike Heath wrote:
> +1 CommonIoEventFilter
> 
> It seams like there may be a better name for this but
> CommonIoEventFilter would be fine.
> 
> -Mike
> 
> Maarten Bosteels wrote:
>> It's hard to come up with a good name for this beast, I'd welcome all new
>> suggestions :-)
>> For now, this is my vote:
>>
>> +1 CommonIoEventFilter
>>
>> Maarten
>>
>> On 11/6/07, Trustin Lee <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> WrappingFilter is a new utility abstract IoFilter for those who want
>>> to filter all events in a single filter method:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/mina/trunk/core/src/main/java/org/apache/mina/filter/util/WrappingFilter.java?view=markup
>>>
>>> One known usage is here:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/mina/trunk/core/src/main/java/org/apache/mina/filter/logging/MdcInjectionFilter.java?view=markup
>>>
>>> However, WrappingFilter doesn't represent what it does exactly, so we
>>> need a new name.  So far, the following names were suggested:
>>>
>>> * GenericIoFilter
>>> * SameActionForEveryIoEventTypeFilter
>>> * CommonIoEventFilter
>>> * SingletonActionIoFilter
>>> * MuxingIoFilter - (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplexing)
>>> * CrossCuttingIoFilter - (see
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-cutting_concern)
>>>
>>> Please feel free to add your suggestion or to cast a vote.  I'd like
>>> to see some consensus anyway.
>>>
>>> Trustin
>>> --
>>> what we call human nature is actually human habit
>>> --
>>> http://gleamynode.net/
>>> --
>>> PGP Key ID: 0x0255ECA6
>>>
> 


Re: [poll] New name for WrappingFilter

Posted by Mike Heath <mh...@apache.org>.
+1 CommonIoEventFilter

It seams like there may be a better name for this but
CommonIoEventFilter would be fine.

-Mike

Maarten Bosteels wrote:
> It's hard to come up with a good name for this beast, I'd welcome all new
> suggestions :-)
> For now, this is my vote:
> 
> +1 CommonIoEventFilter
> 
> Maarten
> 
> On 11/6/07, Trustin Lee <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> WrappingFilter is a new utility abstract IoFilter for those who want
>> to filter all events in a single filter method:
>>
>>
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/mina/trunk/core/src/main/java/org/apache/mina/filter/util/WrappingFilter.java?view=markup
>>
>> One known usage is here:
>>
>>
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/mina/trunk/core/src/main/java/org/apache/mina/filter/logging/MdcInjectionFilter.java?view=markup
>>
>> However, WrappingFilter doesn't represent what it does exactly, so we
>> need a new name.  So far, the following names were suggested:
>>
>> * GenericIoFilter
>> * SameActionForEveryIoEventTypeFilter
>> * CommonIoEventFilter
>> * SingletonActionIoFilter
>> * MuxingIoFilter - (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplexing)
>> * CrossCuttingIoFilter - (see
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-cutting_concern)
>>
>> Please feel free to add your suggestion or to cast a vote.  I'd like
>> to see some consensus anyway.
>>
>> Trustin
>> --
>> what we call human nature is actually human habit
>> --
>> http://gleamynode.net/
>> --
>> PGP Key ID: 0x0255ECA6
>>
> 


Re: [poll] New name for WrappingFilter

Posted by Maarten Bosteels <mb...@gmail.com>.
It's hard to come up with a good name for this beast, I'd welcome all new
suggestions :-)
For now, this is my vote:

+1 CommonIoEventFilter

Maarten

On 11/6/07, Trustin Lee <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> WrappingFilter is a new utility abstract IoFilter for those who want
> to filter all events in a single filter method:
>
>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/mina/trunk/core/src/main/java/org/apache/mina/filter/util/WrappingFilter.java?view=markup
>
> One known usage is here:
>
>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/mina/trunk/core/src/main/java/org/apache/mina/filter/logging/MdcInjectionFilter.java?view=markup
>
> However, WrappingFilter doesn't represent what it does exactly, so we
> need a new name.  So far, the following names were suggested:
>
> * GenericIoFilter
> * SameActionForEveryIoEventTypeFilter
> * CommonIoEventFilter
> * SingletonActionIoFilter
> * MuxingIoFilter - (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplexing)
> * CrossCuttingIoFilter - (see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-cutting_concern)
>
> Please feel free to add your suggestion or to cast a vote.  I'd like
> to see some consensus anyway.
>
> Trustin
> --
> what we call human nature is actually human habit
> --
> http://gleamynode.net/
> --
> PGP Key ID: 0x0255ECA6
>